He was 28 & she 12 W😮W i can only imagine wat their convos where "how was ur day dear, oh my ladies in waiting & I ran thru the gardens singing & playing merry go round & urs, running the country" 😂😂
I think honestly (as well as for all other marriages with a similar gap at the time), the wife to be was honestly treated somewhat like a sort of adopted daughter for a while until they were older. Which doesn't help at all with our modern-day comfort level of these marriages. 😅
@@HistorysForgottenPeople Fantastic! I look forward to seeing those. I do know a bit about Eleanor de Provence but admittedly I know precious little about her sisters aside from one of them being married to the French king of course which you touched on briefly. I look forward to hearing more about them.
I know!!! Really ! There was also a small spate of "Richards" but for less than 100 yrs. Then the Edwards & Henrys flowed back in. Followed by the George's. But " Victoria" was the worst. Most of Queen Victoria's granddaughters were also named Victoria. Her great- granddaughters too. With a lot of "Alice"s sprinkled in. It's really hard to keep them sorted out while reading.
Jean Plaidy wrote a book, The Queen From Provence. Four Queens by Nancy Goldstone. Four Sisters, All Queens by Sherry Jones. Also a historical fiction by Virginia Henley, though a very accurate history of Eleonore Plantagenate, sister of King Henry lll, it talks quite a bit about Henrys marriage to Eleanore of Provence. Her life in England, her growing unpopularity, and the true antipathy she felt for Henrys sister and the reviled relatives constantly taking English positions, spouses, titles, and $. All of them very worth reading!
As a modern day Londoner, there’s been weekly protests happening and the majority of participants would not view Eleanor’s actions against the Jews as unreasonable. I don’t understand my city anymore
No, the world is in an unhappy place at the moment. I don’t know, perhaps it always has been , but one can understand it in medieval times but not these days! Education was supposed to help such biased thinking but - seems like it’s going downhill . So sad 🙏🙏👵
I'm sorry to hear that, and I know how bad it must be there - up here we also have our share of idiots rioting over issues that I thought were held by only a minority.
@@MissMentats I e already written so, apologies , but on the tv last night I saw ‘protests’ on the news. Pelting things at police on horses! Horses! I’ve never seen anything like this in Australia - ever! You think ‘other people have this kind of thing, not us’. It made me cry for what used to be. My dad got friendly with a rabbi during the war. Dad didn’t like religion and services were compulsory so dad told them he was Jewish. Rabbis were very scarce in the RAAF. One day his commanding officer called him and told him, so excitedly, that he’d found him a rabbi. Oh dear. On the Friday dad reported to the appropriate tent and within 2 seconds I’d say the rabbi sure as heck knew dad wasn’t Jewish. So, what happened , they played cards! Commanding officer asked if dad was happy “ best Friday ever’ said my dad and, every available Friday for the next 18 months , dad and the rabbi played cards! I remember going to his house for a meal, I remember playing with a boy around 9 and going to sleep behind a green couch. Also, attending a wedding in a synagogue . May be a figment of my imagination but I recall it as being blue. And I remember embarrassing my mum because I called out ‘ but why can’t I sit with my daddy’. Sorry, long rambling but I have never forgotten it and my dad never forgot the kindness of that man. Dad would not have put up with any sort of racism, not on any colour. Those are the things we should remember , kindness and tolerance . If we don’t we are doomed as a species. It’ll be dinosaurs all over again and , I think, they deserve the planet more! 🙏🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
Well, I have to admit that is an AI representation of her, but I try to go off contemporary descriptions as closely as possible. (Made far worse when none exist!) The issue is that all medieval queens were, as a matter of politeness, described as beautiful. However, Eleanor and her sisters' beauty was apparently very well known, so I feel slightly more comfortable making her look this good. 😂
oiiii Eleanor! You did say you’d make a video on her🙏🙏 the expelling of the Jews was the worst thing she did, although it was common for the time, I think it’s fair to frown (heavily) on it. Apart from that I do like her, but can’t do so very strongly because of it😭 I feel bad for the “hate” she got in England, especially as she was so young, and I do admire what she did during the war. All in all, a nuanced character
I did! I take ages sometimes, but I promise I really do have this stupid long list with hundreds of figures on it, waiting for their turn for a video. 😂😂😂 And you make a good point about the expelling of the Jews, since it was an accepted thing at the time, but also Eleanor's actions in her personal life show that - much like today - those carrying it out still knew it was wrong. And she was absolutely nuanced! I think you asked me a while ago what I thought of Eleanor, and I couldn't quite decide. There's some bad things about her, but there's a lot of good as well, and most of her 'bad' character comes from depictions of her from a perspective of 'she's foreign', rather than her political acumen.
I know you most cover English Monarchs but i have enjoyed and admired your impecable work with other historical figure; specially the Spanish Royals; your video ok Joanna The Mad is brilliant and very well researched; and since English and Spanish history is inevitably intertwined; i have a request to make; can you do a video on Queen Isabella I of Castile? covering the extraordinary; the good; the bad and the ugly? she's perhaps one of the greatest monarchs in human history who achievements and influence has endured to this very day; the world as we know it today would have not been possible if it wasn't for her politics; she is descendant from the English bloodline; Catherine of Lancaster was her grandmother and; her daughter Catherine of Aragonbbecame queen consort of England; and she was also regent when Henry was gone in France; most importantly England had the very first crowned female ruler with Queen Mary I Tudor as regnant in her own right; after empress matillda; and none of that would have happened if Queen Isabella of Castile had not been who she was.
Hi, awesome live history video I enjoyed it. How are you doing and your cat Mallard? I'm doing well and so is my cat Benjamin. We have summer like weather in Ontario Canada. How is the weather where you are? In the next video in the future could you do Sir Thomas Wyatt he was a rebel from the 16th century Tudor Times. Have a great day see you next video 😊
Thank you so much! And I have seen your other comment about Isabel Neville, she's not coming up soon, but she is on my list for the future at some point. 😉
This channel RULES!! ❤👑 So many fascinating and educational stories.📖 I am always learning so much about figures and events of the past. Even expanding my knowledge on certain subjects that I feel quite versed in. Great video!! Can't wait for the next video!!
Ooooo I had to pause barely a minute in due to an error. An easily fact checkable error. Eleanor of Provence was NOT the youngest child of Ramon Berenguer V and Beatrice of Savoy: Margaret of Provence (1221-1295), wife of Louis IX, King of France Eleanor of Provence (1223-1291), wife of Henry III, King of England Sanchia of Provence (1225-1261), wife of Richard, King of the Romans, brother of the King of England Beatrice of Provence (1229-1267), wife of Charles I, King of Sicily, brother of the King of France The two boys have disputed birthdates. If twins they may have been bore a year before Margaret, or between Sanchia and Beatrice. If not twins, one was born first, than the second between Sanchia and Beatrice. Provance was also technically not part of france at the time, and part of the Holy Roman Empire.
Hi, quick error I wanted to bring to your attention. At the beginning, you said Eleanor was the youngest child, this is incorrect. Eleanor was the second born daughter. The youngest was Beatrice. The birth order is Margaret, Eleanor, Sanchia, and Beatrice.
All of the channels have hopped onto the AI bandwagon. And I’m like… you’re copying the one channel that I only figured out was even using AI because of how bad everyone else was doing it 😂
Hahaha, I'm going to take that as a compliment, I think?! 😂 I really do try to keep the AI to a minimum when I can (bloody love when there's a vain monarch with hundreds of portraits, thank you Elizabeth I), but if I have to use it, I try to make it look as close as I can to reality.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople yes my v drunken compliment 😂 sorry about that. you use it so well, I didn’t actually realise it was even AI until v recently is what I meant!
The ending of this truly bothered me. It went from you talking about facts into derailing the conversation to push your own personal politics. Shame on you. It's obvious and distasteful
Everyone should read the Four Queens it's about Eleanor and her 3 sisters. It's a great read.
Whose it by please
It’s an excellent book! Thank you for the reminder!
Eleanor and Marguerite were tough queens.
Four Queens: The Provencal Sisters Who Ruled Europe by Nancy Goldstone - Fantastic book about all 4 sisters.
He was 28 & she 12 W😮W i can only imagine wat their convos where "how was ur day dear, oh my ladies in waiting & I ran thru the gardens singing & playing merry go round & urs, running the country" 😂😂
I think honestly (as well as for all other marriages with a similar gap at the time), the wife to be was honestly treated somewhat like a sort of adopted daughter for a while until they were older. Which doesn't help at all with our modern-day comfort level of these marriages. 😅
@@HistorysForgottenPeopleI'm glad I wasn't made into a child bride.
It has been so fascinating learning about the ancient queens.
They sure don't resemble fairytales don't they.
@@Ravenproctor2966 Haha no!
Were fairytales told in the 1200s?
Thank you so much for making a video on this queen!
Please do her other 3 sisters.
I'm definitely going to! I promise they're on my list, too. 😊
Another excellent video about another fascinating medieval queen.😊
I'm glad you liked it! 😊 I'm definitely going to add others about her sisters not too far in the future, they deserve their own spotlight as well.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople Fantastic! I look forward to seeing those. I do know a bit about Eleanor de Provence but admittedly I know precious little about her sisters aside from one of them being married to the French king of course which you touched on briefly. I look forward to hearing more about them.
Is her family home in Provence still standing?
Will you do episodes on her sisters as well? I’d love to see an episode devoted to her sister Marguerite of Provence!
I love these biographies but I may need a family tree. Every one is named Edward or Henry or Louis. Its hard for me to keep them in order.
There is also a lot of charles and erik.
I know!!! Really !
There was also a small spate of "Richards" but for less than 100 yrs.
Then the Edwards & Henrys flowed back in.
Followed by the George's.
But " Victoria" was the worst. Most of Queen Victoria's granddaughters were also named Victoria. Her great- granddaughters too. With a lot of "Alice"s sprinkled in.
It's really hard to keep them sorted out while reading.
So sad eleanor died first instead of edward.
@@Ravenproctor2966
I thought it said that Eleanor died after Henry, her husband. Edward was their child and king at the time.
Jean Plaidy wrote a book, The Queen From Provence. Four Queens by Nancy Goldstone. Four Sisters, All Queens by Sherry Jones. Also a historical fiction by Virginia Henley, though a very accurate history of Eleonore Plantagenate, sister of King Henry lll, it talks quite a bit about Henrys marriage to Eleanore of Provence. Her life in England, her growing unpopularity, and the true antipathy she felt for Henrys sister and the reviled relatives constantly taking English positions, spouses, titles, and $. All of them very worth reading!
Another splendid video - thank you! 😊
Very interesting, never knew much about them 👍👍
Another banger! You’re on a roll!
It certainly is a banger.
Aww, thank you so much! It's awesome when I know you guys are enjoying them as much as I love making them. 😊
Thank you !! Amazing and impartial as usual, always so interesting.
Also the ugly parts in history is never ignored which I appreciate.
I hate it when the bad bits are glossed over.
As a modern day Londoner, there’s been weekly protests happening and the majority of participants would not view Eleanor’s actions against the Jews as unreasonable. I don’t understand my city anymore
I'm sorry to hear that.
No, the world is in an unhappy place at the moment. I don’t know, perhaps it always has been , but one can understand it in medieval times but not these days! Education was supposed to help such biased thinking but - seems like it’s going downhill . So sad 🙏🙏👵
I'm sorry to hear that, and I know how bad it must be there - up here we also have our share of idiots rioting over issues that I thought were held by only a minority.
@@MissMentats I e already written so, apologies , but on the tv last night I saw ‘protests’ on the news. Pelting things at police on horses! Horses! I’ve never seen anything like this in Australia - ever! You think ‘other people have this kind of thing, not us’. It made me cry for what used to be. My dad got friendly with a rabbi during the war. Dad didn’t like religion and services were compulsory so dad told them he was Jewish. Rabbis were very scarce in the RAAF. One day his commanding officer called him and told him, so excitedly, that he’d found him a rabbi. Oh dear. On the Friday dad reported to the appropriate tent and within 2 seconds I’d say the rabbi sure as heck knew dad wasn’t Jewish. So, what happened , they played cards! Commanding officer asked if dad was happy “ best Friday ever’ said my dad and, every available Friday for the next 18 months , dad and the rabbi played cards! I remember going to his house for a meal, I remember playing with a boy around 9 and going to sleep behind a green couch. Also, attending a wedding in a synagogue . May be a figment of my imagination but I recall it as being blue. And I remember embarrassing my mum because I called out ‘ but why can’t I sit with my daddy’. Sorry, long rambling but I have never forgotten it and my dad never forgot the kindness of that man. Dad would not have put up with any sort of racism, not on any colour. Those are the things we should remember , kindness and tolerance . If we don’t we are doomed as a species. It’ll be dinosaurs all over again and , I think, they deserve the planet more! 🙏🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
It's sad that antisemitism is an acceptable form of racism is many places
If the painting is accurate,she was breathtakingly beautiful.
My thoughts exactly.
Well, I have to admit that is an AI representation of her, but I try to go off contemporary descriptions as closely as possible. (Made far worse when none exist!) The issue is that all medieval queens were, as a matter of politeness, described as beautiful. However, Eleanor and her sisters' beauty was apparently very well known, so I feel slightly more comfortable making her look this good. 😂
@@leeannproctor47 She was famous for her beauty. During the first few years.
All 3 of her sisters became queens. Hope they get their own segments.
oiiii Eleanor! You did say you’d make a video on her🙏🙏 the expelling of the Jews was the worst thing she did, although it was common for the time, I think it’s fair to frown (heavily) on it.
Apart from that I do like her, but can’t do so very strongly because of it😭
I feel bad for the “hate” she got in England, especially as she was so young, and I do admire what she did during the war. All in all, a nuanced character
Did Eleanor personally expelled the jews or just got the blame?
Hi I friend. I miss you.
I did! I take ages sometimes, but I promise I really do have this stupid long list with hundreds of figures on it, waiting for their turn for a video. 😂😂😂 And you make a good point about the expelling of the Jews, since it was an accepted thing at the time, but also Eleanor's actions in her personal life show that - much like today - those carrying it out still knew it was wrong.
And she was absolutely nuanced! I think you asked me a while ago what I thought of Eleanor, and I couldn't quite decide. There's some bad things about her, but there's a lot of good as well, and most of her 'bad' character comes from depictions of her from a perspective of 'she's foreign', rather than her political acumen.
@@HistorysForgottenPeoplethank you for acknowledging the politics going on back then.
@@DarthDread-oh2nehi! how are you?
She is one of my favorite English Queens!!
Of all the Provence sisters eleanor was luckiest in husbands.
Provence right now a part of France or Italy?
Her video was definitely long overdue! I'm happy to have finally put her up here. 😊
Eleanor had a stronger backbone than her husband.
@@lilacgirl-z8wprovence is still part of france
I know you most cover English Monarchs but i have enjoyed and admired your impecable work with other historical figure; specially the Spanish Royals; your video ok Joanna The Mad is brilliant and very well researched; and since English and Spanish history is inevitably intertwined; i have a request to make; can you do a video on Queen Isabella I of Castile? covering the extraordinary; the good; the bad and the ugly? she's perhaps one of the greatest monarchs in human history who achievements and influence has endured to this very day; the world as we know it today would have not been possible if it wasn't for her politics; she is descendant from the English bloodline; Catherine of Lancaster was her grandmother and; her daughter Catherine of Aragonbbecame queen consort of England; and she was also regent when Henry was gone in France; most importantly England had the very first crowned female ruler with Queen Mary I Tudor as regnant in her own right; after empress matillda; and none of that would have happened if Queen Isabella of Castile had not been who she was.
Hope more Spanish queens will be displayed.
The british royal family remain close to the spanish royals to this day which i find fascinating - a long history going back to katherine of aragon
Hi, awesome live history video I enjoyed it. How are you doing and your cat Mallard? I'm doing well and so is my cat Benjamin. We have summer like weather in Ontario Canada. How is the weather where you are? In the next video in the future could you do Sir Thomas Wyatt he was a rebel from the 16th century Tudor Times. Have a great day see you next video 😊
❤❤❤❤❤ Love your videos.
Thank you so much! And I have seen your other comment about Isabel Neville, she's not coming up soon, but she is on my list for the future at some point. 😉
@@HistorysForgottenPeoplelike her sister Anne she's also an enigma.
Is Savoy a part of France or Italy?
@@leeannproctor47 I think divided between France and Italy .
Thanks!
Thank you so much! 😊
This channel RULES!! ❤👑 So many fascinating and educational stories.📖 I am always learning so much about figures and events of the past. Even expanding my knowledge on certain subjects that I feel quite versed in. Great video!! Can't wait for the next video!!
On my top 5 favorite history channels.
Ooooo I had to pause barely a minute in due to an error. An easily fact checkable error.
Eleanor of Provence was NOT the youngest child of Ramon Berenguer V and Beatrice of Savoy:
Margaret of Provence (1221-1295), wife of Louis IX, King of France
Eleanor of Provence (1223-1291), wife of Henry III, King of England
Sanchia of Provence (1225-1261), wife of Richard, King of the Romans, brother of the King of England
Beatrice of Provence (1229-1267), wife of Charles I, King of Sicily, brother of the King of France
The two boys have disputed birthdates. If twins they may have been bore a year before Margaret, or between Sanchia and Beatrice. If not twins, one was born first, than the second between Sanchia and Beatrice.
Provance was also technically not part of france at the time, and part of the Holy Roman Empire.
Were Sanchia and Beatrice close like Marguerite and Eleanor?
Wonder if Eleanor was a fashion icon in her day?
Hi, quick error I wanted to bring to your attention. At the beginning, you said Eleanor was the youngest child, this is incorrect. Eleanor was the second born daughter. The youngest was Beatrice. The birth order is Margaret, Eleanor, Sanchia, and Beatrice.
Do you ever wonder which of the 4 was the prettiest and who was the smartest?
All of the channels have hopped onto the AI bandwagon. And I’m like… you’re copying the one channel that I only figured out was even using AI because of how bad everyone else was doing it 😂
Literally I just assumed it was some kind of artistic wizardry until maybe a month ago 😂
Although… it’s still pretty dam amazing (use of ai on this channel) sorry just got back from the pub 😂
Provence is so beautiful.
Hahaha, I'm going to take that as a compliment, I think?! 😂 I really do try to keep the AI to a minimum when I can (bloody love when there's a vain monarch with hundreds of portraits, thank you Elizabeth I), but if I have to use it, I try to make it look as close as I can to reality.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople yes my v drunken compliment 😂 sorry about that. you use it so well, I didn’t actually realise it was even AI until v recently is what I meant!
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Thank you❤
Edward I was a bully but clearly loved his wife.
Does anyone know what her favorite pastimes were?
The ending of this truly bothered me. It went from you talking about facts into derailing the conversation to push your own personal politics. Shame on you. It's obvious and distasteful
lol get over it
She was loving mother