AJP PR7 - Big Dirt Bike in Adventure Suit!
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
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In this video, I will share my experience with the Portugal brand AJP. After I got the chance to ride the PR7 model I am ready to tell you more about it.
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Oh man! This is a Dakar machine! This beauty have wings ridding throug the desert! How lucky his owner are! BTW, it´s a portuguese brand, all Made in Portugal.
Indeed it is!
Assembled in Portugal.
Dakar for 10000 euro🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 come on, boy
hello I own a T7 and a PR7. The pr7 is without a doubt an offroad machine, I use it whenever I don't do many kilometers on the road. I use the T7 when I have to cover many kilometers on the road, but as soon as I get on the trails I miss the pr7. Two good machines.
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks! Very valuable insight.
@@raymondcerneus1844up to a speed of 120km h it is well, above that turbulence starts to bother you.
Wow a French man we can understand his English.
Cool to see that brand, I did not know it even existed.
Never having had a bike with ABS, and I currently run a 1988 Honda Transalp, this looks like a perfect bike for me. Love the simplicity and lack of electronic dependency. If I was in the market for a new bike I would certainly check it out.
Good!
What would immensely help this brand keep existing imho, would be to include a complete service manual with the bike so as to give the opportunity to remote mechanics to learn to service and fix them (if the owner is not willing to). I knew about this bike for a few years now but some details in this clip were useful. Thanks.
P.S. Companies are living organisms and can be very resilient even in very adverse economic environments, that is if the management is capable, hedging their position and in general being prudent. The biggest problem for small businesses right now is the lack of governments that are small enterprise-friendly, that is becoming increasingly scarce (at least in Europe). I hope they keep existing and establish their position in this very specialized niche.
The future will show us!
get a service manual for a husky 630. same engine..
There is a link to the full manual- the dealer gives you it at purchase but can be easily found…👍🏴
Nice to see more dual sport type adventure bikes being made. I'd like to see Yamaha release a WR500 Tenere. Something under 140kg with a 20+L fuel tank, comfortable seat and a T7 type windscreen. Thanks for testing this bike.
That would be cool, but I don't think that it will happen!
@@motorcycleadventures A guy can dream. They need to start making lighter bikes for the ageing demographic. With optional lower seat heights too.
Great review. Nice to hear real world 'travel' experience on the AJP... perhaps at a later date we'll find how this owner has prevailed.
My pleasure!
Thanks to you both for presenting in the only language that I halfway understand.
Glad to help!
I’ve gone from an xt660 tenere to an AJP PR7 with the power upgrade. I LOVE IT. The PR7 wants to ride off-road.
I also do a lot of road miles and just a couple of days ago I followed my old XT660 for over 100 miles and I was very glad to be on the PR7.
Never noticed a major issue with a lack of braking power
Good, enjoy it!
I like the style of the bike with the weight been below 200 kilos & simple to work on. The only downside finding a dealership to supply parts when needed, there’s not many here in Australia I would love to own one 👍👍
Fair enough!
Bon voyage Xantios. À bientôt sur terre et bitume 😉
Very interesting, Nice fellow you show you his bike
Glad you enjoyed it!
I had not heard of this bike brand .I enjoyed the honesty of both yourself and the owner , when discussing the bike . The Motorex sign is a good backdrop for filming .
Thanks for taking the time!
I owned a Suzuki dr 650 for more than 18 years. I finally managed to break it riding like a lunatic on the highway. I used to like the simplicity of that bike and I really miss it. Nice video Pavli n. I didn't know about this brand.
You could buy a new one. Suzuki still sells them.
Thanks for sharing
In Australia.
Bon retour David!
Merci pour le partage.
Anytime!
@@motorcycleadventures et bonne inauguration pour votre studio!
I think this is the most elusive adventure bike on the market! I never seen any on the road nor is it been possible to arrange a proper test ride. Also there seems to be non on the used market.
So for now as an adv off-road novice I’ve bought an Honda crf 250 Rally. Hopefully AJP PR7 would be the next step one day.
Good!
I owe a BMW F800GS and KTM 125 XC W, with the 125 I realized we don’t need all the electronics‼️ I would love to own a AJP PR7.
Good!
Owww man i really hope to find the video after the owner travelled! Im really looking for a good Enduro Bike, and this looks so unique!
Great first impression review. The AJP PR7 is at the top pf my list for my next bike.
Good choice!
Ha! Hi Marc, yes I've been looking at these as well! It's the only thing that *almost* made me trade in my old girl. I would've done it if the South West dealer wasn't such a tosser! Expected me to spend 10k without a test ride, no demonstrator! In your dreams lad, I'll keep what I've got! (Glad as it happens, I'd probably have regretted it)
Great review Pavlin. 👍👍👍👍
The AJP was very high on my wish list but being 61 I don’t think I could really take advantage of the bike, my DR650 still does what I need it to do.
When it comes to reliability well the engine has been around a long time, it is basically a Husky 610, the same engine as SWM use in the super dual X and when BMW owned Husqvarna back in the day was used in there dual sport model, so it is not an new engine it is over 20 years old.
Parts and dealer networks are a bit of an issue but most parts are used on various motorcycles so things like oil and air filters should be relatively easy to obtain.
Only the future will show us but I really doubt that this model and the brand will keep existing. I like it and I wish the company all the best but the market wants completely different machines. Old school bikes and people like us will be less and less...
@@motorcycleadventures well KTM tried to buy ir um 2018... Portuguese company said no...😁 This is not for the big market. That is for Tenere. AJP is only for who knows...
I understand, but how you can manage sustainable business with a few sales per year...
Yes, I can understand Pavilin why not. I would not buy a model that is produced in small quantity. On the other hand, my first car was like this. First love is never forgotten, it gave me more than other cars and cost me half the price of cars of more common brands. The maintenance in the garage did not cost me more, but it is true that not every mechanic knew how to handle this model. Conclusion: If I know I have a good mechanic who knows the model, a veteran mechanic in providing good service, even today I do not hesitate to take a less sold brand motorcycle ... Then I bought the CBR250R(2013)🤦♂🤔
@@motorcycleadventures The future is now and supposed to empower boutique companies to produce even high quality than "the factory".....like it was before and how should be now. The R&D and knowledge are now very accessible and micro-manufacturing processes became very evolved these days. It's just a matter of time before small highly customizable boutique companies become a reliable option... :)
First time I see Pavlin liking the centering of masses on a bike with under-seat tank ! Kind of the Unicorn of contemporary adventure bikes !
I still prefer the top located tank.
@@motorcycleadventures I know. Actually, I have owned a BMW F800GS. Loading fuel was difficult without splashing the saddle, which was especially ennoying with luggage on it, but other than that I did not find the balance of that popular bike bad at all. Alternatively, I tried once the KTM 790 Adventure S with the low side-tanks and found it very nimble and well-balanced, and it seems to me it is even easier to protect against shock hazards than the standard position. Some guys say the T700 is much harder to lift up after a drop. What is your experience on this point, I mean in comparison with other bikes ?
Great review ! I really like how it's made out where most of the components are easy to access
Glad it was helpful!
There is a rtw traveller on an AJP PR7 , with a RUclips channel : Long Ride Zone. He rode his PR7 for 34.000km in Europe 1st year. He has a video about reliability. There is another Dutch traveller on a PR7, making vids on YT , with more on reliability. On my side I tested a PR7 and a 701 : I chose the 701 early 2021, because about same price but offering more performance, and a dealer close to my home. I didn't feel good on the PR7, pegs very high, more vibrations than the 701 . 8.000km over 1st year, Alps, Pyrénées, TET, no issue on my 701.
Thanks for sharing!
And there is Heather with her PR7 in Central America currently. Her Insta channel is Improbably Adventuring.
A lot of great qualities for a travel bike. Especially the weight, for me at 73kg in the shower.
For just me maybe great but for my limited off road with my good lady on the back not ideal.
That doesn't mean I don't appreciate it for what it is. Perhaps too extreme, but I bet if Honda made a crf650 it would sell like hot cakes, ir maybe a crf500x..
Very interesting though.
Happy travels 👍
Yes, it has a specific purpose and it is not going to match with many riders. Thanks for taking the time, Richard!
Why you think its not suitable for 2 people?
@@jeckeymekayten7938 high thin, seat, no grab rails no vack rest, single vibrations. All bikes gave plusses and minus
@@teneretraveller8980 thx
Yes! C'mon Honda people are waiting for 500-700 crf.
Very nice bike! I am extremely happy with my 2020 DR650 but the PR7 looks like a sweet ride. Thanks for showing us Pavlin!
Cheers!
My pleasure!
Very interesting video.
Thank you for sharing this.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Going to look at one today so this video was fortuitous - thank you so much. I have the benefit of a good local dealer so I'm willing to take the risk, assuming he hasn't sold it already. I'd prefer a basic ABS system on it but like that it doesn't have the electronics of the KTM or Husqvarna. Sensors can go wrong and leave you stuck, and traction control just confuses me. More a comment on me than the technology.
Fair enough!
even if a sensor goes bad youcan still ride the bike...
The engine is the old Husky 610 Red Top, so reliability can be judged from there. There have already been a few RTW trips with this bike, so should be good. Looks like a real winner. Thanks for doing this review.
Any time!
630
The motor is a copy of the Husky but is made in china for SWM motorcycles. The big question is, can SWM get China to make these motor to the same quality as Husky motors?
@@pauleyj8 swm produces engines for many of the big brands. Swm can be trusted fully
@@BiztoryTime Wrong. There have been a number of people in Australia who have had cracked crank cases at the front of the engine on their AJP. They have had great difficulty getting any warranty claim on these very low Km bikes. If you search the Australian Face Book group of AJP owners you will find the info. No one has been able to determine why these motors crack at the front. China has a terrible record with quality control which is a real problem for any bike using an engine from China. The fact that AJP has been seen to fail to care about after sales support for these problem engines in Australia is a big detraction from AJP. For this reason I have decided to stay away from the AJP bike. China will continue to improve and will get their quality control up to spec in time.
OOOO man finaly somebody made old school machines 1Cilindre no abs and other electrics bullshi.... OOO man thanks a lot for this short test just GREAT
Glad to help!
Hi Pavlin,
good eye drop on such a beauty.
Actually there is one in Bulgaria, when visiting your friend Dimitar in Burgas next time, ask him to meet the happy owner :)
It is a rally one, on rally set up, so the suspension float is responsible for breaks performance - slight improvement can be achieved after suspension retune and rider proficiency.
And go try it harder, it deserves rally test as rally bike, even on adv channel ;)
I have heard about it, but never seen it.
Amazing bike!!
It sure is!
Your new youtube studio woooo yaaa!!!✨❤🎈🍺🍺Pavlin Excellent Review!
The question you ask from the heart? This is very problematic. I was 100% sure that my next motorcycle would be without plastic covers, full naked, because at my Honda Innova every small repair starts with the plastic removal ceremony (a quarter of an hour), and then put them back in place (another 15 minutes), and sometimes more plastics have to be removed and it takes for an hour (just to put off & on the plastic). Then I bought a CBR250R (2013) ...🤦♂😂
Thanks for taking the time!
One of my motorcycles here in the U.K. is a 2004 carb version Honda Innova 125 . It is in almost mint condition ,runs as sweet as a nut & 100% reliable . The only pain is as you claim ,the amount of time & plastic you have to remove to service the bike . The older Honda cub type bikes had easy to remove leg shield . I think the manufacturers are deliberately attempting to put owners off home servicing & to make extra servicing & repair business for their franchise dealers . For me the less tech on a motorcycle the better ,every motorcycle has ABS ,traction control & riding modes ,it’s called the rider .
@@maskedavenger2578
The problem is not with technology. The opposite, the technology of injection is excellent. One of the most notable advantages is the existence of a closed fuel system with almost zero evaporability of fuel, and therefore zero stench of fuel in the garage.
The problem is with the knowledge, and hiding the knowledge for self-care in these super simple systems. Nothing is simple when manufacturers hide information, and when manufacturers pour your computer(ECU) into a black box without publishing what it is set to do with each sensor, and without providing a convenient connector, hardware and software, for controlling the parameters.
So you are absolutely right probably also on the subject of plastics covers of Honda-Innova, the manufacturer is building a product that will guarantee him a livelihood in maintenance time work. I spared myself the study of the ABS subject, Because I do not have one in either My-Innova or on My-CBR250R(2013) that I bought in addition about a year ago.
I before completing a "doctorate" in studying the FI system, and I say FI is a super simple system, also very reliable. But how good is to leave the customers dumb for to charge them an expensive repairs, right? And this is how it is conducted, no knowledge is published, in order to extort money from customers.
I'm not complaining, just describing a situation.
@@MyINNOVAMotorcycling With injection you have more to go wrong ,they rely on more electronics ,sensors & more fussy about battery condition . A carb fed system is much simpler ,usually fuelled by gravity & more likely to be able to adjust or repair on tour or at side of the road . I myself am not bothered about the stench of fuel in garage ,as long as the fuel isn’t leaking . A proper garage is supposed to smell of petrol ,oil & grease . I am well capable of servicing any motorcycle or car as long as I have the parts ,& the valve & other settings ,the main problem lies with ,the amount & time it takes to remove plastics & the likes of the EU with all their unnecessary Euro vehicle directives . This has led to stupid excess like a catalytic converters ,PAIR systems & all manner of extra electrics & plumbing to get in the way & cause us more hassle & expense .Give me an carburettor fed leaded fuelled motorcycle ,over a tech ,ethanol ,unleaded laden one any day . I can still recall the days before the EU when it was a pleasure to get a whiff of good old leaded juice ,when out riding motorcycles .
@@maskedavenger2578
I totally understand what you're talking about. But after I made a deep acquaintance with FI systems I do not return voluntarily to the carburetor. And here's another advantage for smart FI systems: In height changes there is no need to mess with nozzles to change the mixture. But of course when you do not know and refrain from learning the new systems (which are already quite a veteran in the market), and the manufacturers contribute to the difficulty by hiding knowledge, then it is clear that the difficulty you describe is real.
I Like It ! I like it a lot .
I'm glad!
Beautiful chariot
It really is!
Nice review & good design.
Thank you! Cheers!
Thank you for this video! I'm currently looking for something else than my old Africa Twin, and this just might be it!
Give it a try!
@@motorcycleadventures I will! There's a dealer close by so that makes it easy to test!
Thank you 👍
Awesome bike!
It sure is!
You haven't seen one before in Bulgaria? I haven't seen one in Portugal where they're made! They are almost an unicorn.
True!
Interesting bike, Pavlin. RAW! Not many dealers, though.
Thanks for you impressions, Günter from Nürnberg/Germany
My pleasure!
Reminds me a lot of my KTM 640 Adventure R
Kind of...
Interesting review of AJP. Pavlin, have you seen the "Off Road Off Course" YT channel? It is run by a great Portugese guy Diogo Guerra. He had similar impressions after riding an AJP.
I will check it out.
If I let go of my 690r like that, It'd be the end of me. That's some well balanced geometry right there!
Ok
Great video, 👍 thanks.
Thanks for watching!
did not know this brand existed. nice video!
Now you know.
This is an Portuguese brand and that tablet is stock.
Brutal adv bike!
The stock tablet is smaller.
I have also bought one last year. I like it a lot. Very good off-road, but has some drawbacks: no ABS, no passenger foot pegs, but probably you don't need them while offroading :) Or you are very lucky to have a partner to willing to go offroad on the passenger seat...
Also older bikes don't have ABS nor traction control so I don't really miss it.
Thanks for the info!
Yeah! I was chearching for this coment. because of EU rules, AJP cannot homologate the motorcycle with passenger (no ABS, no passenger).
Thats the only thing That i “dont like” on PR7, because my girlfriend like to ride with me and i cant affort two bikes.
(Sorry for my english)
Nice review thank you
the bike are 80 kg lighter than my 2019 AT DCT and 80 kg are a lot 🤔
True!
Well it's a 600cc single not a 1000cc twin so not that surprising it's a lot lighter.
@@chrishart8548 i also have a Yamaha SR 400 and it is 86 kg lighter than my AT 🙂 the AJP PR7 with 64 HP the AT has no chans on the dirt
@@svendusmcveteraner Africa twin would be so much nicer riding on road. Smooth powerful stable. Comfortable.
@@chrishart8548 Absolutely but have you ever made a 25000 km service on a Africa Twin ❓that are actually not very comfortable 🤢
I currently have a dr650 with many miles on it and i have though this is a perfect replacement for it. Unfortunately where i am i can't get one.
It is what it is!
Nice review and conclusion! Have Your friend taken off for his motorcycle adventure? Where could we follow him?
Excellent review and wise words at the end. To go around the world reliability is of the upmost importance, who wants to be in Siberia 100km from the nearest help with an unfixable fault on an unproven bike? Nice bike though!
Absolutely!
Why can't Japanese manufacturers make lighter bikes like KTM, AJP and the likes
It is what it is!
Hello the tablette is not an option ! I think it's the best adventure bike off road ! An other overland , Long Ride Zone, ride sometimes 900km in one day on the road, so Its possible!! Of course it's more risk than a T7 but its more fun!!! One bike one rider. The rest is not important.
Thanks for sharing!
The engine is made in Italy and is the same engine used on the Husqvarna 630TE and SM.
True!
Fascinating purist bike - although why did they put the TFT on it? Pavlin, are you saying that if you were convinced about reliability (although the engine's apparently well proven) you would take it over the T7?
No! I will always prefer the Tenere.
This is the way
Thanks!
So, when you goin to get one???
Someone is smitten 😍 ❤❤👍👍👍💯💯💯🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
There’s a lot of talk about this bike maybe the unicorn bike???
I don't have such a plans!
Until recently no bike had ABS or power modes etc
Yes
Hi, thanks for the great video. Could I ask how you mounted the larger tablet please, what case have you used and which mount?
AJP is a portuguese brand! What else!? Like me! 😁 If you want to know more about AJP or the PR7, you have to look in Portugese groups.... here are a lot of AJPs! 😉 For me, it"s an enduro big bike ... 🤷
True
Where is your new t7?
It is there, waiting for my next trip.
PR7 is a marmite bike ( you luv it or hate it) I luv marmite so riding my 2nd up graded 2022 bike now…😂🏴👍🍺
Fair enough!
Looks like this bike is on my wishlist, and contact ISR for some good brakes.
Portuguese bike? 🤔
Yes, Portuguese bike.
I think they really missed a trick by not having a simple switchable ABS. I know purists will say you don't need it, and if you're going to be doing 90% off road then that's probably true but if you're doing a trip that is weeks or even months long then you will be on a lot of road and ABS is a safety feature that I don't think I would want to compromise on for long trips. It's a shame, everything else looks fantastic.
Thanks for sharing your opinion!
pretty much a proper Adventure bike or rather Paris Dakar racer :)
True!
Got to argue with that! For one, the Dakar shouldn't be called Dakar anymore since it's no longer starting at Paris OR ending in Dakar and is more like Baja. So the PR7 would be a Baja racer, just like the modern "Dakar" Bikes are. Non of the current "Dakar" Bikes would manage to do an entire, Original, Dakar Section. They don't got the speed or the Range for that.
Does the lithium battery always work OK? It's £238 that battery and 4ah 48wh 12v
It is very sensitive to cold and overheating.
very cool. I'm a new owner of a PR7, way to soon for me to comment. except it's tall .Enduro bike tall. I'd love to see more of what he's done to the bike, does he (David) have a RUclips channel, or is he active on the forums? I like he little mod for controls/gauges he added, was trying to figure out how to something similar. As far as parts availability, and dealers... well, dealer network is tiny, but the bike has parts that are common with other brands, and the motor is an 'old' Husky/BMW/SWM 630. So, it's not going to be as easy to 'fix' as a japanese bike, but it's not complicated like other european bikes. great review.
This is his website: one-world-to-discover.com/ and Facebook page: facebook.com/DavidXantios, you can ask him.
Thank you for a super interesting video. I am with you Pavlin, the bike seems perfect, but the risk of losing 10.000 euros is big...
Fair enough!
What do you mean losing? How would you lose such a bike?
@@TheGlatch if the engine blows up there is not much you can do, and this is using an Italian engine...
@@SamiNami the motor is all Open and some parts changed in Portuguese factory. First AJP P4 (400 CC) prototype as made is road teste. Do you know where. Probably in some portuguese farm? In some factory circuit? No... From Portuguese factory, to cross Alentejo (south Portugal), Spanish Estremadura, Andaluzia, Gibraltar, Marrocos until arriving in Trípoli ( Libia) where it was supposed to be sent by ship to Leça (back to Portugal). But the test driver (also an Eng. @ AJP) was not happy. So he made all the inverse route instead... How can you lose money when a company makes prototype tests like This:-):-):-):-)
@@subscricoesmotard7288 It's nothing like what the big Japanese firms do, before they release a bike. Also if something brakes its possible to get a spare part, not easy with AJP.
About seat comfort: honestly I was thinking that the PR7 is for "steel-butts" only. But now I have some doubts! He can really stay so many hours on asphalt without particular problems? What was your impression about the seat? It seems very narrow.
I happen to own one. What you'll find is that the seat is surprisingly comfortable. It hasn't even crossed my mind to look for an aftermarket seat or modify the stock seat in any way. A very pleasant surprise after riding KTMs and the smaller Yamahas.
@@jotemenkir How is your PR7 going. I would like to change from my 690 to a PR7 but a few of the PR7's in Australia have cracked the crank case at the front engine mount. This is very concerning.
@@pauleyj8 I've actually never heard of cracked crank cases on the PR7. I searched on the AJP Australia group (largest AJP group), but was unable to find anything. Not saying it isn't happening, but it is news to me. Also, the SWM engine has been around for quite sometime and is considered quite solid.
I absolutely love the bike. It's definitely not without some quirks (poor exhaust routing, etc.), but the power, handling and the fun factor is incredible.
That said, after reading all the posts on FB about lack of parts availability and poor dealer support in Australia, I personally wouldn't buy it there. I live in Spain where I can get the parts I need within 5 days even though there isn't a dealer in town.
What is the motor ??
600cc Husqvarna
Its a Mad Max bike
True!
this machine reminds me of my good old DR650RS with more horse power, useful electronics and top suspension. Is it for sale for only 10-11 K euros? Sounds like a bargain compared to a KTM...🤐
This bike is definitely not for every one!
🇵🇹 portuguease stuff 😉
Hello my Friend please if vou have any info how are made the engine on this moto beacuse it looks like husquarna te601model but i dont find the info
thank you
It is Husqvarna engine
@@ee00151 thank you so much
Husky 630
I didnt quite understand what were the issues with the brakes..!? which anyway can always be replaced\upgrade..no!?
There is no issues! You just need to use both brakes carefully.
@@motorcycleadventures thx
For off-road, the last thing I want is ABS. So who cares if this one doesn't have that ? ;-)
For off road only you can find much better options.
Незнам къде е произведен мотора , но двигателят ми изглежда като на хускварна около 2008.
Да, двигателя е Хускварна. Мотора го правят го в Португалия.
Great bike bad after sales service from
aJp factory
Good to know!
Your a*s will be on fire if the gas pump leaks, because its surrounded by electrical wires and 🤣, but looks like a fun bike 👌.
It is definitely fun bike.
🇵🇹
Portuguese brand.
Yes!
Great video and the ugliest bike I have ever seen.
Fair enough!
Try to see AJP Pr4 or AJP Pr3 125cc :-D:-D:-D
When I have the chance.
Man... That is not a test for APJ... Try to type: AJP Portugal dirt OffRoad on RUclips and see what is a test for any AJP
I am not a owner of the bike and I cannot do the test that you might like.
I did the shoooting for the first movie following that search 🙂