Shane - great video on an issue I have been tracking. As a Strava Premium member, I really wish Strava would fix its export of route data to support turn-by-turn on Wahoo. Come on Strava - how hard is it to export a few more existing data fields for the sake of your Premium service members?! I do not want to subscribe to yet another service for this functionality.
Good info thanks Shane. First ride outside with my Bolt today. Route planned with Komoot and it worked flawlessly. Will try importing a Strava route into Komoot first to see if the turn by turn data is added. My only slight gripe is the small guidance text in negative i.e. White on a black background when not on the map screen and the actual turn instruction is a little late when riding at 20mph (on or just beyond the point at which you should have turned)
I have been using the Wahoo RFLKT+ sync'd to RWGPS on my phone for several years. It delivers Turn By Turn route guidance including audio instructions into an earpiece. Our club publishes route cue-sheet instructions using RWGPS and all I have to do is copy it on to my RWGPS app on my phone, initiate the route and turn on my RFLKT+. Easy to create my own route too. T by T for almost every organized century ride is available on RWGPS. I take my phone with me anyway (who doesn't). A subscription to RWGPS is $5 a month. Great deal. the RFLKT+ was the best bike computer ever invented. Was a crime that they discontinued it.
One of the best things with the Wahoo devices is that they introduced me to Ride with GPS. It's a million times better than Strava once you get a few routes created. It simply just works and it's so easy to do. This isn't a dig on Garmin or anyone else, just Strava (I'm a premium member). Their route building game has fierce competition and right now RwGPS is kicking their butt. Kamoot seems to have a better automated route builder than both of those sites, but it is too finnicky right now to recognize gravel bike paths as being legit routes. You have to select mountain bike for it to recognize smooth gravel paths as a route which is ridiculous because then it uses mountain bike paths as routes also. Strava is great for the social abilites. RwGPS is great for route building. Kamoot is okay for automated touring route building. Strava does allow you to export a ride, and then RwGPS can build turn by turn routes from that if you want. There is video on their site how to do it. I don't work for anyone, I'm just a big fan of RwGPS because like most people, it's like, why do I have to do this, I like my Strava. And then I used RwGPS and now I'm like why do I have to use Strava, I like my RwGPS. No facebook-ish stuff on RwGPS, so... I use both equally now.
I just bought a Bolt and am glad I came across this video while doing some research on it. Funny enough, in the years that this thing has existed, this seems to be the only in-depth video/blog done on this computer's navigation interface. I really appreciate the time and effort you put in. I'm giving it a go tomorrow on a short and familiar ride to see if I can get it to work using Komoot (I purchased the World Map package). Wish me luck.
@@gplama Inhave given it a try a few times now and it has worked perfectly. Although, I tried exporting the files from Komoot to my Wahoo for offline use and the turn-by-turn cues didn't come with. I only get the bread crumbs. But when used online, everything works great, even in areas where cell coverage is terrible. I've done a few rides that have been 5 hours plus and neither the battery on my phone nor the battery on the Wahoo Bolt have come close to dying so I dont think Inhave much to worry about. Again, thanks for the tips.
i had the same problem and arrived at the same conclusion as you (also after hours of trying to figure it out). thanks for confirming and your explanation for why it is this way is really helpful. thanks. it would be nice to get a louder audible notification though.
I switched to the BOLT last spring and have been very happy with it. I've never had to re-route so the inability to do that when using the BOLT in stand-alone mode is no problem. But I empathize with those cyclists who frequently travel in unfamiliar areas and need the feature. I'm a RWGPS Premium member so I understood the bit about navigation cues. I ran into the same problem when I imported the gpx data for a new century last month -- the gpx file had no navigation cues. Fortunately, it's fairly easy to redraw the route in RWGPS because you can convert the imported gpx route to a sort of template that remains visible on the map. Then you simply trace the route on top of the template, creating an anchor point just before each turn. It only took a few minutes to redraw a 103-mile route with lots of turns. And I like the control it gives me because I can manually adjust the route any way that I want. I can even add navigation cues. During the century (it was the Holland 100 in Michigan, USA), the BOLT performed flawlessly with navigation.
Try exporting from RidewithGPS as a .tcx file, which includes the cue-sheet. Your GPS will simply read the cue-sheet as it is (without any real intelligence like navigating from a map).
thank you, I know this video is old however you just saved me a shed load of time and bother so thanks. I don't use the navigation feature as I mostly go where I have previously been. Going on a ride organised by someone else and they sent me the .gps files, couldn't get the turn by turn to work. Now I know why. Can't read it without reading glasses anyway. I am old and simply memorise the route - old school.
This was a really helpful clip as I purchased the Wahoo Element Bolt as my first computer and was confused at how to utilise the turn by turn navigation.
Not being able to recalculate on the fly would stop me purchasing. Don't think I've ever been out on a ride & not had to go off-piste due to road works / not paying attention & such. Great insights as usual ⚡️👍🏼⚡️
It's a function we've come to expect from any 'navigational' GPS for sure. It makes sense after I got my head around the limitations. It's something I guess they could work on via software/firmware. I guess we'll see in the future.
i wonder if they could make a feature within the companion app that would allow you to download a regional map to the unit (instead of global) the way Garmin has it that would allow more space for metadata to be included, then maybe it could work.
My 810 would always try to take me back to the start of the ride if I went off course rather than navigate the quickest way back onto the course. Very frustrating. For me, not being able to re-calculate isn't a problem. If I go off course the LED's at the top start flashing red to tell me I'm off course. I change to the map page and follow the map back onto the course. It's not TBT but works really well for me.
I came on this video because I was looking for reviews before buying this GPS, and I agree ... All that turn by turn and no recalculate stop me purchasing instantly. Too bad, I love the rest of the things that GPS doe, especially for that price !
daveus111 I find that Strava does a better job at road selection when creating a route, but yeah I always export GPX and upload to Komoot, run it through their engine, make sure it was properly imported; then good to go.
that's the reason why i'm still using my edge800. .gpx into the newfiles folder & CityNavigator maps. works seamlessly. you don't have to worry about the details .... thanks for putting this video together. really shows how frustrating/complex technology can be sometimes.
Very very very good research and info, I don't bother with maps to much but very nice to know my Wahoo head units limitation. I personally believe these designers are going the wrong way, set up by phone is cool, but if a cycle computer could work completely independent, i.e. Fit your sim card in, you wouldn't need to carry your phone. Ride cleaner and light, the unit provides all basic communication and data. Calls and text done from the head unit if required. This would be a super piece of kit!!
Travelling to Greece in a few weeks and this video is coming in ver handy. I'm most certainly going to lost with all their goat tracks and roads! Fingers crossed I can get the wahoo to work for me.
I use Wahoo in combination with komoot, which I quite like. With komoot you can just drop a gpx file into their website and they will calculate the turn by turn route for you. It isn't free, I know, but it adds the benifit that komoot knows quite well what kind of road surface the route contains. It isn't 100% accurate, but never with sand road disasters. The only time I really had to go off my planned route was during a 120km trip to a friend in another city. A quick view on the map and I knew how to get back onto my route, it wasn't a huge problem. Maybe this is also due to the fact the Netherlands (where I'm from) has bicycle paths everywhere so it's easy to take a small detour and get back onto where you planned to ride.
Agree that Strava's route builder is easy, simple to use and probably has the best layout of any route builder on the net, however is rubbish when it comes to export. Using a Garmin 820, I found Strava routes would pause mid ride and the DTG would stop counting down. Same route in RWGPS or Garmin Connect was fine. I think I prefer my 820 for now. The Bolt probably wins on everything else except the ability to provide on the fly turn by turn nav.
Now that you have a Ride with GPS account, it would be great to do a comparison of the app on your phone with the dedicated GPS units. I love Ride witjh GPS for turn-by-turn navigation ! :-)
Thanks Shane. Very helpful. Wahoo support has been quick to reply to my questions. It worked out well to combine their replies with your video for better understanding.
Thank you for saving my time! Another question though: I prefer to configure the BOLT to disable the backlight after - lets say - 15 sec. Now which button do I press to just re-enable the backlight for 15 sec. WITHOUT actually executing any action (pausing the ride/switching the site/zoom the page etc.)? I find this very annoying!
Lama, great vid, thanks. I have been using Elemnt Bolt for about 4 months now and find route nav sufficient for rural cycle navigation. Just cycled an endurance ride of over 100miles into Central London UK using route nav. I have Bolt sound switched on and it buzzes and lights up if I go off route. I am of a certain age and my eyes are no longer 20 20. But I can see, follow and react to the breadcrumb route display on elemnt without my glasses whereas I can not read turn by turn instructions whilst hoofing it - eyes are glazed and can not focus enough without glasses. What WOULD BE HANDY would be if Elemnt could automatically bring me back onto the route I planned if I make a mistake - not sure what you call this but most car navs do this. Am I right in thinking neither elemnt or Garmin do this?
I have been using Garmin Edge before. Used courses to load onto the device, those were created in Garmin Connect service. After changing from Garmin to Wahoo, I simply exported the courses, as GPX files, and imported onto Komoot. Komoot synced with Wahoo device, and I also had turb-by-turn navi. Also need to remember to have the routes created in the free region in Komoot in order to sync with Wahoo. For routes created outside this free region you need to purchase that particular region, or simply get the world wide for 30 Euro (one time payment), which is not bad if you travel a lot in other parts of your country.
Shane, you were correct before that all you had to do was upload a gpx make it a route and all the cue sheets where in the file. RWGPS now want to charge $6 a month to get the tracing feature to convert the gpx > Route and get cue sheets. I just rode a sportive yesterday and no TBT nav. Gutted as some idiot switch a sign after a food station. luckily the breadcrumb showed the correct way. After watching your video I looked at a previous route I've ridden and the cues were missing. www.komoot.com is the other service that works with cue sheets. Simply Import the GPX as Import to plan a route. Job done! Guess I will be using that from now one. However, as a Strava Premium member, they should be adding cue sheet support. My other query is that you said the elevation profile can be seen on route mode, my Elemnt has two seperate pages "Climbing & Map", I would love the map & elevation profile on the same page.
Thanks for the comments and insight here Alan. If Strava can simply 'flick a switch' and have cue sheets exported I'll do a whole video on this, as it'll be such a simple solution.
Lately, it seems you've increased speed of your videos (keeping audio pitch normal). Since my mother tongue is not English (it's French) I have to concentrate to follow and find you're high on caffeine! Nobody else noticed? Videos still great though!
I'm just saving people from playing them in 1.5x speed.... and saving more time than what it took me to figure out the turn-by-turn on the Elemnt. My linked blog post has all the details.... maybe with a little more frustration. :)
Much better to be fast and ask the viewer to use the speed function on RUclips. Watching videos with slow explanations is painful. I vote thumbs up for the faster style.
Thanks for making these videos, and thanks for asking these companies the questions we all want to. I think they take notice of you! And kudos for being bothered to make this video. It took me a day to figure this all out on my bolt, definitely could not be bothered to make a video about it afterwards!
Thanks for this video. Very good information to know. I have this same exact problem with the Garmin Edge 810 and it seems like it's a universal issue.
I have a great fondo soon and they shared the official route, from a strava activity. It will be my first brevet with bolt instead of the edge1000. I'll have to create the 200k track, that's a lot of work.
2 questions. 1. Have you tried to create a route with RWGPS? Much easier and works well. 2. The route you created in Strava then opened in RWGPS, did you try to create a Cue Sheet? Again pretty straight forward. Use this feature to add custom cues where you need them. I've never tires this, as I just created all my routes with RWGPS
Thanks for the review Shane. Going to buy a Bolt next week but wondering about the amount of data usage the apps use. What would you say a rough, average estimate of data use would be for a 800 mile a month rider in GBs? Thanks.
Mobile data usage, or recording FIT file data usage? The BOLT will pull updates/maps over wifi. FIT files are small but do depend on the amount of sensors connected (iirc).
Cheers! I spent HOURS trying to understand it at first. Then going back re-reading a number of detailed reviews it made sense... but there wasn't a total explanation behind it all.
Shane Miller This info should be provided by the manufacture on how to get the best out of your wahoo, people don't want work arounds or complicated functionality. Simple set and go. Why don't manufactures get this??? These things are not cheap and in some cases as expensive a a phone. So why not include this sort of stuff?
The info you 'need to know' is published. It's the deeper understanding that I set about obtaining, and what I talk about here. The reasons companies don't go to this this level is because it pulls the mask off and does show some of the limitations that may not be able to be addressed with just firmware/software.
Hey Shane, I'll be buying my first road bike after years on an mtb. My rides will mostly be solo, or the occasional group rides. Between the Elemnt and the Bolt, which would you recommend for a new/intermediate rider? Thanks for the advice.
They're both identical function wise... The larger Elemnt having a maximum of 11 fields on screen at once, the Bole 9. A lot of people really love the Bolt. See if you can grab a hold of one and have a look and go from there.
Hi Shane. Late to the wahoo party i know. Would you know how you can tell you have a GPS connection on the bolt? Obvious on my old garmin but not on the new bolt. Thanks.
great post. Had the same issues myself, hence finding your video.. Is it possible to add a previous ride done with the bolt as a route with turn by turn? or does that need to be built from scratch with ride with GPS?
You can load a previous ride as a route (Using the mobile app to create it from history, then syncing it to the unit). No turn by turn navigation though..... they have to be created, with cues, using RideWithGPS or Komoot and sent to the unit.
I’m using Komoot now. You don’t need a subscription like ride w gps. I’m still using my phone as my bike computer, but I do see the web version supports export to gps device. Hopefully that includes cues. ?
Hey Shane, hope you can understand my question, I use a Garmin 1000 edge but as my eye sight is failing me I am down to 2 fields of data on each screen, on watching your vids on the element and bolt, it seems to me that the numbers are larger or easier to see then the Garmin edge , is this your opinion as well? Thanks for your input mate, great work on your vids😉👍
Great video Shane - I've been enjoying lots of your content recently! I have a quick question, do you personally buy everything you review, or do brands like Wahoo send you products to test? I'd really like to review something like the Elemnt Bolt for an upcoming Everesting challenge, and get into more gear-related types of outdoor content... though at this stage, I'm not really sure if it's worthwhile reaching out to brands for support. In any event, keep up the great work! :)
It's a combination of both, depending on the availability here in Australia. There's a lot of things we get months after release in the US/UK/EU which I get fast-tracked, which is nice. If between the lines you're asking about editorial influence, it's all mine. I've been blogging similar content for around 10 years, but given RUclips are where the eyes are, this has really taken off. Not much has changed though, I'm still just a passionate cyclist working my way through the technology, and helping others demystify it. It's that track record that's opened doors. As for reviewing elevation data from head units..... all the best. That's a beast of a topic that's more art than science. :)
All of this is documented, no need to be dramatic about. Before I purchased the Bolt I knew exactly what the limitations & possibilities on TbT-nav would be. See support.wahoofitness.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000359584-How-do-I-use-Turn-by-Turn-on-my-ELEMNT-Bolt By the way: Ride-with-GPS has a premium (payed) function to convert an imported route (from any source) into a route with cue-sheet. I am not using it (aka refuse to pay for another service), just hoping one day Wahoo will come out with their own routing-solution in the cloud that I can upload a route to and get a cue-sheet back. I requested that as a feature :-) Another feature I requested from Wahoo is an option to automatically show the map-page when a cue pops-up. In that way the map & crumb-trail could help you to make the right turn. Of course after the turn the page should switch back to the previous page with the stats you like to have in front of you when riding. Hint: you can sync multiple Bolts with 1 RwGPS-account. In that way only 1 person needs to create the route and all others in your riding-group can benefit. Of course this will only really work if you do not use RwGPS for tracking your rides. But heee that is why we use Strava, not?
The basics are documented. That's all. I wanted to know a lot more than just the step by step how-to. I wanted to know why we had to use that process. Along the way I learnt a lot more about the Elemnt and a few of the limitations on their map/navigational implementation. I shared that information here. Dramatic? Mate, I was pretty pissed off over the whole thing when "Just use RideWithGPS" still didn't work. I think I was quite positive in the video. I can imagine others have had the same experience. Let's hope the information here helps.
I ordered mine on 20th of July. Turn by turn directions was mentioned on their website in features list (TURN-BY-TURN NAVIGATION WITH KOMOOT AND RIDE WITH GPS ROUTES). I had a GPSMAP 64s before but Bolt is easier to use and phone and wifi sync is a nice feature. The 64s is too bulky for a bike in my opinion. When I missed a turn during an mtb ride in the forest rerouting was not too helpful for me. In town it is a different story. It would be nice if Wahoo changes Google maps to Openstreetmap in their app (take me anywhere). It is much more detailed. Google maps almost useless off the tarmac.
Yes, it lists those on their site. But simply using those services isn't the answer. You need to use those services AND ensure they contain cues. I do like using OSM on the Garmin, it's crazy detailed.
From memory you get a little more than your current location from GPS although the extras don't help directly with navigation (time, satellite positions, predicted positions..). Funny how long this stuff has been around and how it's still a bit clunky. I tend not to notice usually as I first played with tracking on maps in '98 or 9 with a Garmin etrex summit, Palm IIIc and a spliced serial cable to connect them. It's come a little way :-)
Yes, but it'll only sync to the Elemnt/Bolt if you've 'unlocked' the region maps you're using. Then there's the issue of very limited global mapping area support from Komoot. eg, Australia isn't an option.
Hi Shane, thanks for your reviews they are very helpful. Would you have the possibility to test the Sigma ROX 11.0 and maybe compare it to the wahoo elemnt/bold? Thanks!
What about if you were out riding & someone contacts you & you need to go to a place or address without going to Strava etc? . Only you have your phone. Seems very difficult while you are on the way. This I think makes a garmin a superior navigation unless maybe a Roam
Indeed. But watch out, there's currently a bug with Komoot→app→the device: If you reverse a route in Komoot, rename or not, and sync it with app to upload it to your device, it won't update it on the device. So, always plan and upload alternate routes in advance for now.
I didn't notice. That's one for another day and a few more hours up my sleeve. I don't suspect there would be much difference as it isn't doing a lot more with t-b-t other than showing cues. Processing wise that should be pretty light.
Great explanation. If I understand correctly, the unit doesn't do true turn-by-turn navigation, as the cues have to be pre-loaded. As far as I know you get only editable cues with the paid version of Ridewithgps. As my cycling club provides breadcrumb-style gpx tracks (not routes!), this is pretty worthless to me as adding cues is not possible this way without spending extra money and time on Ridewithgps. Unfortunately, for me that means that I'll have stick with Garmin...
Yes on the pre-load of cues, you're correct. I believe the free version of RideWithGPS will do it. I haven't paid for RWGPS and was able to get turn cues working.
Yes, but... 3:45 "The key is you have to create the route from scratch with Ridewithgps"... You found out yourself by importing the .gpx (the one you exported from Stava) doesn't give you the cues, so starting from scratch seems the only option. Have you found a way around this? I'm seriously considering the Elemnt, but it's this what's keeping me from it. Try recreating a 100 mile ride from scratch, hours of time wasted behind the screen:(
Hey Shane, been watching your channel for a while. Are you able to revisit this Wahoo - in particular the Wahoo Elemnt Roam and it's ever growing list of problems? Foreinstance, for anyone bike packing or ride long distances it often crashes mid-ride, anything above and 300km and it'll freeze and you will have to perform a hard reset and wait forever whilst it recovers the activity and then reload the route again. It is so so annoying and their customer service won't give an answer of when it will be fixed, myself I've been waiting since July, but others have been waiting longer. It's about high time they fixed the Roam.
Good video. I just got back on the bike after a year collecting dust and now my Wahoo rflkt is no longer supported by strava and there is still no good unit out there that is worth the cash. My iphone and quadlock although not perfect does all that these do and more, can use strava, wahoo, cyclemeterand google all at the same time plus if i need to find a toilet, place to fill my water or cheeky latte i am sorted once gps gets more accurate on the phones or even apple watch or other high end smart watches with gps, barometer, cellular etc i don't know what the others will do to compete? Thoughts people?
I was wondering how turn by turn navigation works when there are no street names such as in parts of Japan. I am guessing you still get right or left, but instead of street you get which cho or chome you are in?
No major changes to routing or navigation with the Elemnt/Bolt since this video. Tons of firmware updates though for compatibility and the like though.
JESUS IS SITTING ON YOUR SHIFT KEY! Which is the best purchase for you in 2019? That depends what features you want? What it needs to integrate with. What price point you're looking at. What mounts you have. What preference you have for configuration. There's no best answer I can give you without asking all these questions and grilling you for more info. Best I can advise is to watch reviews, read comments, and go from there.
I really like your video reviews Shane, but in this case I can't believe you didn't already know this. After 5 mins research before buying one, I knew you need to use Ride with GPS or Komoot to get turn by turn. It's there half way down the page on the Wahoo website.
+Paul Skinner There's the basic detail but no explanation. I want to understand and not just accept the odd behaviors like Strava not working with cues, or why when I did use RideWithGPS to create the route (via GPX import) that it still didn't work. And why can't it ever re-route? I now have an understanding, not just answers to regurgitate. We're 12 months down the road since it was launched ( turn by turn) and none of these have been added or updated for a better user experience!? I had ignorant faith they just may have.
In terms of understanding why Strava won't route with cues, I agree. Its annoying that you need to sign up to another service to make full use. My point being however you start the video by saying "The details I wish i had of known" and then go on to talk about your experiences with Strava maps on the unit. You imply that you had no idea this was the case, something that 5 mins research could of easily answered.
+Paul Skinner Yes, I had no idea it was this difficult for the end user (me). Wahoo sync routes with Strava, so I didn't expect it to give me a basic map overlay only. Then when I did use RideWithGPS, It still didn't work. So I wanted to know why. Then when it had no re-route, I wanted to know why. I was and still am frustrated with that process. So this is the information I wish I had of known. If everyone knows this already or figured out all the intricacies and accepted it in a few minutes, great. That wasn't my experience, and that's what my RUclips is all about, my experience... and sometimes helping others not make the same mistakes.
FWIW--creating routes in Strava is abysmal compared to creating them in RWGPS. Missing bike paths, roads Strava won't let you route through, etc. On RWGPS you can see cumulative elevation as you go, and there are multiple map overlays in case one map won't let you route somewhere. Calling that "this difficult for the end user" seems like a bit of an overstatement to me. Worked with no problems the first time I tried it. I stopped using Strava to create routes long before I got my Elemnt for the reasons above. Also--you'll notice at the top of the page, it's still a "beta" product.
Totally agree. I had no trouble using RWGPS to download routes with TBT to the Wahoo Elemnt. Moreover, I used navigation on the Elemnt without any problems or need for re-routing. The reason you need re-routing with Garmin is that navigation is so poor you often go off route.
Um, I created a very simple 3 turn course just to test the nav feature and I'm not even getting any navigation at all. I do see the bread crumbs but when I hit the start button they go away then like I said, I don't get any kind of navigation at all. Oh, btw I created the test course with Ride With GPS. Hoping to get this figured out by tomorrow because I'm riding more than 100 miles with many many many turns.
Since this review is 2 years old, I was wondering if it’s still actual? Is it still ipossible to i port routes straight out of Strava and get turn by turn navigation?
+wahoofitness I'd rather have all the relevant metadata for city/state/region and have the turn-by-turn on the fly vs global maps to continents that I'll never be in. Thanks for the clarification +gplama
Shane - great video on an issue I have been tracking. As a Strava Premium member, I really wish Strava would fix its export of route data to support turn-by-turn on Wahoo. Come on Strava - how hard is it to export a few more existing data fields for the sake of your Premium service members?! I do not want to subscribe to yet another service for this functionality.
Good info thanks Shane. First ride outside with my Bolt today. Route planned with Komoot and it worked flawlessly. Will try importing a Strava route into Komoot first to see if the turn by turn data is added. My only slight gripe is the small guidance text in negative i.e. White on a black background when not on the map screen and the actual turn instruction is a little late when riding at 20mph (on or just beyond the point at which you should have turned)
I have been using the Wahoo RFLKT+ sync'd to RWGPS on my phone for several years. It delivers Turn By Turn route guidance including audio instructions into an earpiece. Our club publishes route cue-sheet instructions using RWGPS and all I have to do is copy it on to my RWGPS app on my phone, initiate the route and turn on my RFLKT+. Easy to create my own route too. T by T for almost every organized century ride is available on RWGPS. I take my phone with me anyway (who doesn't). A subscription to RWGPS is $5 a month. Great deal. the RFLKT+ was the best bike computer ever invented. Was a crime that they discontinued it.
One of the best things with the Wahoo devices is that they introduced me to Ride with GPS. It's a million times better than Strava once you get a few routes created. It simply just works and it's so easy to do. This isn't a dig on Garmin or anyone else, just Strava (I'm a premium member). Their route building game has fierce competition and right now RwGPS is kicking their butt. Kamoot seems to have a better automated route builder than both of those sites, but it is too finnicky right now to recognize gravel bike paths as being legit routes. You have to select mountain bike for it to recognize smooth gravel paths as a route which is ridiculous because then it uses mountain bike paths as routes also.
Strava is great for the social abilites.
RwGPS is great for route building.
Kamoot is okay for automated touring route building.
Strava does allow you to export a ride, and then RwGPS can build turn by turn routes from that if you want. There is video on their site how to do it.
I don't work for anyone, I'm just a big fan of RwGPS because like most people, it's like, why do I have to do this, I like my Strava. And then I used RwGPS and now I'm like why do I have to use Strava, I like my RwGPS. No facebook-ish stuff on RwGPS, so... I use both equally now.
I just bought a Bolt and am glad I came across this video while doing some research on it. Funny enough, in the years that this thing has existed, this seems to be the only in-depth video/blog done on this computer's navigation interface. I really appreciate the time and effort you put in.
I'm giving it a go tomorrow on a short and familiar ride to see if I can get it to work using Komoot (I purchased the World Map package). Wish me luck.
Good luck! Let me know how it goes.
@@gplama Inhave given it a try a few times now and it has worked perfectly. Although, I tried exporting the files from Komoot to my Wahoo for offline use and the turn-by-turn cues didn't come with. I only get the bread crumbs. But when used online, everything works great, even in areas where cell coverage is terrible.
I've done a few rides that have been 5 hours plus and neither the battery on my phone nor the battery on the Wahoo Bolt have come close to dying so I dont think Inhave much to worry about. Again, thanks for the tips.
Doing the leg work so others don't have too. Much appreciated Shane. Cheers
i had the same problem and arrived at the same conclusion as you (also after hours of trying to figure it out). thanks for confirming and your explanation for why it is this way is really helpful. thanks.
it would be nice to get a louder audible notification though.
I switched to the BOLT last spring and have been very happy with it. I've never had to re-route so the inability to do that when using the BOLT in stand-alone mode is no problem. But I empathize with those cyclists who frequently travel in unfamiliar areas and need the feature. I'm a RWGPS Premium member so I understood the bit about navigation cues. I ran into the same problem when I imported the gpx data for a new century last month -- the gpx file had no navigation cues. Fortunately, it's fairly easy to redraw the route in RWGPS because you can convert the imported gpx route to a sort of template that remains visible on the map. Then you simply trace the route on top of the template, creating an anchor point just before each turn. It only took a few minutes to redraw a 103-mile route with lots of turns. And I like the control it gives me because I can manually adjust the route any way that I want. I can even add navigation cues. During the century (it was the Holland 100 in Michigan, USA), the BOLT performed flawlessly with navigation.
Try exporting from RidewithGPS as a .tcx file, which includes the cue-sheet. Your GPS will simply read the cue-sheet as it is (without any real intelligence like navigating from a map).
thank you, I know this video is old however you just saved me a shed load of time and bother so thanks. I don't use the navigation feature as I mostly go where I have previously been. Going on a ride organised by someone else and they sent me the .gps files, couldn't get the turn by turn to work. Now I know why. Can't read it without reading glasses anyway. I am old and simply memorise the route - old school.
I got an Elemnt on the strength of your earlier reviews. It's absolutely excellent. Thanks for the recommendation.
The element or the bolt?
Elemnt. I wanted a bigger screen and the two sets of LEDs. Love it.
This was a really helpful clip as I purchased the Wahoo Element Bolt as my first computer and was confused at how to utilise the turn by turn navigation.
Not being able to recalculate on the fly would stop me purchasing. Don't think I've ever been out on a ride & not had to go off-piste due to road works / not paying attention & such.
Great insights as usual ⚡️👍🏼⚡️
It's a function we've come to expect from any 'navigational' GPS for sure. It makes sense after I got my head around the limitations. It's something I guess they could work on via software/firmware. I guess we'll see in the future.
That would be a major undertaking, software-dev-wise. Wouldn't expect it.
i wonder if they could make a feature within the companion app that would allow you to download a regional map to the unit (instead of global) the way Garmin has it that would allow more space for metadata to be included, then maybe it could work.
My 810 would always try to take me back to the start of the ride if I went off course rather than navigate the quickest way back onto the course. Very frustrating.
For me, not being able to re-calculate isn't a problem. If I go off course the LED's at the top start flashing red to tell me I'm off course. I change to the map page and follow the map back onto the course. It's not TBT but works really well for me.
I came on this video because I was looking for reviews before buying this GPS, and I agree ... All that turn by turn and no recalculate stop me purchasing instantly. Too bad, I love the rest of the things that GPS doe, especially for that price !
Export GPX from Strava and import to Komoot works for turn by turn. Have done it a few times now. No need to build routes within RWGPS or Komoot.
Does this work for the free version of Komoot ?
@@roadeyerob koomoot is only 20 bucks lifetime! much better planing in komoot anyway
daveus111 I find that Strava does a better job at road selection when creating a route, but yeah I always export GPX and upload to Komoot, run it through their engine, make sure it was properly imported; then good to go.
that's the reason why i'm still using my edge800. .gpx into the newfiles folder & CityNavigator maps. works seamlessly. you don't have to worry about the details ....
thanks for putting this video together. really shows how frustrating/complex technology can be sometimes.
I sold my 800 because navigation was terrible. My Wahoo Elemnt has been flawless for navigation.
Bloody Legend!
Your wasting your talent on YT, Strava, Wahoo or Garmin should sign you up as the Mr. Fix it!
Very very very good research and info, I don't bother with maps to much but very nice to know my Wahoo head units limitation.
I personally believe these designers are going the wrong way, set up by phone is cool, but if a cycle computer could work completely independent, i.e. Fit your sim card in, you wouldn't need to carry your phone. Ride cleaner and light, the unit provides all basic communication and data. Calls and text done from the head unit if required. This would be a super piece of kit!!
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Fantastic info. All reviews tell turn by turn navigation but not actually explain how it works etc. Thank you
Just wanted to add my thanks for the video! Was scratching my head to figure out what I was doing wrong.
Thank you soo much I tried everything you did too and could not understand why it wasn't working. Mate this helps heaps.
Great video. Your explanations and discoveries of these units is so useful for people interested in buying one. Many thanks.
Travelling to Greece in a few weeks and this video is coming in ver handy. I'm most certainly going to lost with all their goat tracks and roads! Fingers crossed I can get the wahoo to work for me.
I use Wahoo in combination with komoot, which I quite like. With komoot you can just drop a gpx file into their website and they will calculate the turn by turn route for you. It isn't free, I know, but it adds the benifit that komoot knows quite well what kind of road surface the route contains. It isn't 100% accurate, but never with sand road disasters. The only time I really had to go off my planned route was during a 120km trip to a friend in another city. A quick view on the map and I knew how to get back onto my route, it wasn't a huge problem. Maybe this is also due to the fact the Netherlands (where I'm from) has bicycle paths everywhere so it's easy to take a small detour and get back onto where you planned to ride.
Thanks! Fantastic explanation! Generall happy with my Bolt but I REALLY needed that nav system today and it let me down. This explanation helps!
Cheers. Saved me looking at why I couldn't get turn by turn. Thanks. Will go back to using Ride with GPS
Agree that Strava's route builder is easy, simple to use and probably has the best layout of any route builder on the net, however is rubbish when it comes to export. Using a Garmin 820, I found Strava routes would pause mid ride and the DTG would stop counting down. Same route in RWGPS or Garmin Connect was fine. I think I prefer my 820 for now. The Bolt probably wins on everything else except the ability to provide on the fly turn by turn nav.
Excellent review. Thank you. Now if I could just figure out which unit to get, element or the bolt.
Thanks for doing the hard work for us! I appreciate your attention to detail in all matters bicycle!
Now that you have a Ride with GPS account, it would be great to do a comparison of the app on your phone with the dedicated GPS units. I love Ride witjh GPS for turn-by-turn navigation ! :-)
Great vid easy and short - Sadly still relevant today
I have enjoyed endlessly cursing at all my Garmins for so many years, cursing at a different brand gps would feel like Im being unfaithful.
Thanks Shane. Very helpful. Wahoo support has been quick to reply to my questions. It worked out well to combine their replies with your video for better understanding.
Thanks for this, made the exact same mistake with Ride with GPS yesterday!
RideWithGPS does have a 'trace' or 'snap to' feature for paying subscribers to place cues into an imported map.... but....$...
Thank you for saving my time!
Another question though:
I prefer to configure the BOLT to disable the backlight after - lets say - 15 sec. Now which button do I press to just re-enable the backlight for 15 sec. WITHOUT actually executing any action (pausing the ride/switching the site/zoom the page etc.)? I find this very annoying!
None that I know of. That's one for Wahoo Support. Go straight to the source.
I filed a "bug report". Now I will wait and see.
Thank you. You saved me lots of time and frustration.
Cheers Mike. I hoped it'd help others.
Thanks Shane, For the help that I have looking for the turn by turn navigation on the Wahoo.
Lama, great vid, thanks. I have been using Elemnt Bolt for about 4 months now and find route nav sufficient for rural cycle navigation. Just cycled an endurance ride of over 100miles into Central London UK using route nav. I have Bolt sound switched on and it buzzes and lights up if I go off route.
I am of a certain age and my eyes are no longer 20 20. But I can see, follow and react to the breadcrumb route display on elemnt without my glasses whereas I can not read turn by turn instructions whilst hoofing it - eyes are glazed and can not focus enough without glasses.
What WOULD BE HANDY would be if Elemnt could automatically bring me back onto the route I planned if I make a mistake - not sure what you call this but most car navs do this. Am I right in thinking neither elemnt or Garmin do this?
I have been using Garmin Edge before. Used courses to load onto the device, those were created in Garmin Connect service. After changing from Garmin to Wahoo, I simply exported the courses, as GPX files, and imported onto Komoot. Komoot synced with Wahoo device, and I also had turb-by-turn navi. Also need to remember to have the routes created in the free region in Komoot in order to sync with Wahoo. For routes created outside this free region you need to purchase that particular region, or simply get the world wide for 30 Euro (one time payment), which is not bad if you travel a lot in other parts of your country.
Shane, you were correct before that all you had to do was upload a gpx make it a route and all the cue sheets where in the file. RWGPS now want to charge $6 a month to get the tracing feature to convert the gpx > Route and get cue sheets.
I just rode a sportive yesterday and no TBT nav. Gutted as some idiot switch a sign after a food station. luckily the breadcrumb showed the correct way.
After watching your video I looked at a previous route I've ridden and the cues were missing.
www.komoot.com is the other service that works with cue sheets. Simply Import the GPX as Import to plan a route. Job done! Guess I will be using that from now one.
However, as a Strava Premium member, they should be adding cue sheet support.
My other query is that you said the elevation profile can be seen on route mode, my Elemnt has two seperate pages "Climbing & Map", I would love the map & elevation profile on the same page.
Thanks for the comments and insight here Alan. If Strava can simply 'flick a switch' and have cue sheets exported I'll do a whole video on this, as it'll be such a simple solution.
Lately, it seems you've increased speed of your videos (keeping audio pitch normal). Since my mother tongue is not English (it's French) I have to concentrate to follow and find you're high on caffeine! Nobody else noticed? Videos still great though!
I'm just saving people from playing them in 1.5x speed.... and saving more time than what it took me to figure out the turn-by-turn on the Elemnt. My linked blog post has all the details.... maybe with a little more frustration. :)
Aussie pace
That a blog post contains all data, does not mean your pace makes your vids easier to follow.. slow down a bit...
Omg I thought you talked this fast all along! Even I'm from USA I had to really focus lol
Much better to be fast and ask the viewer to use the speed function on RUclips. Watching videos with slow explanations is painful. I vote thumbs up for the faster style.
Great service to subscriber.
Thanks for making these videos, and thanks for asking these companies the questions we all want to. I think they take notice of you! And kudos for being bothered to make this video. It took me a day to figure this all out on my bolt, definitely could not be bothered to make a video about it afterwards!
Thanks for this video. Very good information to know. I have this same exact problem with the Garmin Edge 810 and it seems like it's a universal issue.
Was oblivious to this problems, was using komoot from day 1. But good to know.
Thanks for making this video. Is was wondering how come I don't get the cues when I'm riding also. Strava please add the cues.
Waiting for the actual instructions on turn by turn is like waiting for Quintana to attack...
I real lolled at that. Savage! :)
Best answer = @ 3.36
Pardon my total ignorance, but what is Quintana? Is it a Godzilla type character or a gay dude?
Exactly what I needed!
*The new/updated Bolt with the colour screen doesn't need any of this. It'll do turn-by-turn with almost any map/route you throw at it.
Please please more comparisons between these two!
Thank you! Excellent video. Very informative!
Now I understand why RWGPS exists!
I have a great fondo soon and they shared the official route, from a strava activity. It will be my first brevet with bolt instead of the edge1000.
I'll have to create the 200k track, that's a lot of work.
Garmin has had this upcoming elevation feature since Garmin 800. Just select the elevation screen in your pages and it should work.
2 questions.
1. Have you tried to create a route with RWGPS? Much easier and works well.
2. The route you created in Strava then opened in RWGPS, did you try to create a Cue Sheet? Again pretty straight forward. Use this feature to add custom cues where you need them. I've never tires this, as I just created all my routes with RWGPS
+65stangman65 Yes. Explained 1 in this video.
Wow. A year later and Strava still doesn't export the cue sheet. Great video. Really helped me understand how my new Bolt works with regards to nav.
in 2022 they still don't...
Thanks for clearing that up, great informative video, Bravo.
Great tutorial . Has Strava since taken care of export of turnxturn
Looking to buy the Bolt.
Thanks for the review Shane. Going to buy a Bolt next week but wondering about the amount of data usage the apps use. What would you say a rough, average estimate of data use would be for a 800 mile a month rider in GBs? Thanks.
Mobile data usage, or recording FIT file data usage? The BOLT will pull updates/maps over wifi. FIT files are small but do depend on the amount of sensors connected (iirc).
Shane, have you tried exporting your route as a TCX file from Strava instead of GPX? TCX should have the cue-sheets included whereas GPX does not.
Not from Strava. They don't export the cues in either.
Thanks for the response! This is good to know. I'll direct message you with some more info ;)
Great explanation.
Cheers! I spent HOURS trying to understand it at first. Then going back re-reading a number of detailed reviews it made sense... but there wasn't a total explanation behind it all.
Did you notice if it does a sound and light show as you come up to a turn?
Shane Miller This info should be provided by the manufacture on how to get the best out of your wahoo, people don't want work arounds or complicated functionality. Simple set and go. Why don't manufactures get this??? These things are not cheap and in some cases as expensive a a phone. So why not include this sort of stuff?
The info you 'need to know' is published. It's the deeper understanding that I set about obtaining, and what I talk about here. The reasons companies don't go to this this level is because it pulls the mask off and does show some of the limitations that may not be able to be addressed with just firmware/software.
Great video, thanks. However is it correct you'll need a paid version of RwGPS in order to get the turn by turn navigation?
Thanks
They've since had a few changes to their pricing/offering. I'm not across the specifics.
Hey Shane, I'll be buying my first road bike after years on an mtb. My rides will mostly be solo, or the occasional group rides. Between the Elemnt and the Bolt, which would you recommend for a new/intermediate rider? Thanks for the advice.
They're both identical function wise... The larger Elemnt having a maximum of 11 fields on screen at once, the Bole 9. A lot of people really love the Bolt. See if you can grab a hold of one and have a look and go from there.
Thanks Shane.
Hi Shane. Late to the wahoo party i know. Would you know how you can tell you have a GPS connection on the bolt? Obvious on my old garmin but not on the new bolt. Thanks.
Thanks Shane, this was very helpful!
great post. Had the same issues myself, hence finding your video.. Is it possible to add a previous ride done with the bolt as a route with turn by turn? or does that need to be built from scratch with ride with GPS?
You can load a previous ride as a route (Using the mobile app to create it from history, then syncing it to the unit). No turn by turn navigation though..... they have to be created, with cues, using RideWithGPS or Komoot and sent to the unit.
Great tips,saved me hours of frustration and anger. Why is something so necessary not a standard feature?
It's complicated. :)
Brilliant! I have an Edge 520 and a BIG ride coming up, will I have the same difficulty?
Maybe. I sold my 520 a while back and upgraded to the 820. forums.garmin.com/forum/into-sports/cycling/edge-520-aa/120858-?p=858906#post858906
Shane Miller thank you 👍
Really useful chap thanks.
I’m using Komoot now. You don’t need a subscription like ride w gps. I’m still using my phone as my bike computer, but I do see the web version supports export to gps device. Hopefully that includes cues. ?
Hey Shane, hope you can understand my question, I use a Garmin 1000 edge but as my eye sight is failing me I am down to 2 fields of data on each screen, on watching your vids on the element and bolt, it seems to me that the numbers are larger or easier to see then the Garmin edge , is this your opinion as well? Thanks for your input mate, great work on your vids😉👍
The Elemnt is easier to read for me in all conditions.
I'm really loving all these videos featuring the wahoo elemnt/elemnt bolt!
Thanks for this , my problem sorted
Great video Shane - I've been enjoying lots of your content recently! I have a quick question, do you personally buy everything you review, or do brands like Wahoo send you products to test? I'd really like to review something like the Elemnt Bolt for an upcoming Everesting challenge, and get into more gear-related types of outdoor content... though at this stage, I'm not really sure if it's worthwhile reaching out to brands for support. In any event, keep up the great work! :)
It's a combination of both, depending on the availability here in Australia. There's a lot of things we get months after release in the US/UK/EU which I get fast-tracked, which is nice. If between the lines you're asking about editorial influence, it's all mine. I've been blogging similar content for around 10 years, but given RUclips are where the eyes are, this has really taken off. Not much has changed though, I'm still just a passionate cyclist working my way through the technology, and helping others demystify it. It's that track record that's opened doors. As for reviewing elevation data from head units..... all the best. That's a beast of a topic that's more art than science. :)
Cool, thanks Shane! :)
All of this is documented, no need to be dramatic about. Before I purchased the Bolt I knew exactly what the limitations & possibilities on TbT-nav would be. See support.wahoofitness.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000359584-How-do-I-use-Turn-by-Turn-on-my-ELEMNT-Bolt
By the way: Ride-with-GPS has a premium (payed) function to convert an imported route (from any source) into a route with cue-sheet. I am not using it (aka refuse to pay for another service), just hoping one day Wahoo will come out with their own routing-solution in the cloud that I can upload a route to and get a cue-sheet back. I requested that as a feature :-)
Another feature I requested from Wahoo is an option to automatically show the map-page when a cue pops-up. In that way the map & crumb-trail could help you to make the right turn. Of course after the turn the page should switch back to the previous page with the stats you like to have in front of you when riding.
Hint: you can sync multiple Bolts with 1 RwGPS-account. In that way only 1 person needs to create the route and all others in your riding-group can benefit. Of course this will only really work if you do not use RwGPS for tracking your rides. But heee that is why we use Strava, not?
The basics are documented. That's all. I wanted to know a lot more than just the step by step how-to. I wanted to know why we had to use that process. Along the way I learnt a lot more about the Elemnt and a few of the limitations on their map/navigational implementation. I shared that information here. Dramatic? Mate, I was pretty pissed off over the whole thing when "Just use RideWithGPS" still didn't work. I think I was quite positive in the video. I can imagine others have had the same experience. Let's hope the information here helps.
Hey Shane, may I ask what mount you are using? It seems that it's a Wahoo compatible handlebar mount with GoPro mount below it? Thanks!
It's a Cycliq DUO mount.
im looking at buying a wheel off smart trainer, in the $1k-$1.5k price range, what do you recommend?
gplama.blogspot.com.au/p/indoor-trainer-guide-gplama.html
I ordered mine on 20th of July. Turn by turn directions was mentioned on their website in features list (TURN-BY-TURN NAVIGATION WITH KOMOOT AND RIDE WITH GPS ROUTES).
I had a GPSMAP 64s before but Bolt is easier to use and phone and wifi sync is a nice feature. The 64s is too bulky for a bike in my opinion. When I missed a turn during an mtb ride in the forest rerouting was not too helpful for me. In town it is a different story.
It would be nice if Wahoo changes Google maps to Openstreetmap in their app (take me anywhere). It is much more detailed. Google maps almost useless off the tarmac.
Yes, it lists those on their site. But simply using those services isn't the answer. You need to use those services AND ensure they contain cues. I do like using OSM on the Garmin, it's crazy detailed.
From memory you get a little more than your current location from GPS although the extras don't help directly with navigation (time, satellite positions, predicted positions..). Funny how long this stuff has been around and how it's still a bit clunky. I tend not to notice usually as I first played with tracking on maps in '98 or 9 with a Garmin etrex summit, Palm IIIc and a spliced serial cable to connect them. It's come a little way :-)
Does Komoot support exporting of the turn by turn navigational cues?
Yes, but it'll only sync to the Elemnt/Bolt if you've 'unlocked' the region maps you're using. Then there's the issue of very limited global mapping area support from Komoot. eg, Australia isn't an option.
Hi Shane, thanks for your reviews they are very helpful. Would you have the possibility to test the Sigma ROX 11.0 and maybe compare it to the wahoo elemnt/bold? Thanks!
Sure... If I can get something I can usually give it a whirl/ride/test/discussion.
What about if you were out riding & someone contacts you & you need to go to a place or address without going to Strava etc? . Only you have your phone. Seems very difficult while you are on the way. This I think makes a garmin a superior navigation unless maybe a Roam
Komoot FTW ... I use that. Great app for planning a bike route.
Indeed. But watch out, there's currently a bug with Komoot→app→the device: If you reverse a route in Komoot, rename or not, and sync it with app to upload it to your device, it won't update it on the device. So, always plan and upload alternate routes in advance for now.
I was curious, did you see any difference in battery life between overlay and turn by turn navigation?
I didn't notice. That's one for another day and a few more hours up my sleeve. I don't suspect there would be much difference as it isn't doing a lot more with t-b-t other than showing cues. Processing wise that should be pretty light.
what about importing the tcx into ride with gps then syncing back to the bolt , would that work ???
+get born No
Hi Shane. Is there a reroute function now, and can you change waypoints on the take me to function? Which GPS do you use these days?
I use Garmin Edge units and Wahoo BOLT & ROAM. The ROAM has much better maps/navigation than the BOLT. It can re-route on the fly.
@@gplama When creating routes with Strava. Does the roam show elevation for upcoming climbs, and turn by turn directions?
@@mosfetparadox Yes.
@@gplama Hmm. Different choice. I really like the size and form of the bolt. But the roam sounds great. I have to think about it.
Great explanation. If I understand correctly, the unit doesn't do true turn-by-turn navigation, as the cues have to be pre-loaded. As far as I know you get only editable cues with the paid version of Ridewithgps. As my cycling club provides breadcrumb-style gpx tracks (not routes!), this is pretty worthless to me as adding cues is not possible this way without spending extra money and time on Ridewithgps.
Unfortunately, for me that means that I'll have stick with Garmin...
Yes on the pre-load of cues, you're correct. I believe the free version of RideWithGPS will do it. I haven't paid for RWGPS and was able to get turn cues working.
Try importing the GPX file into ridewithgps, then saving it, and exporting it as a TCX to get a basic cue sheet that should display on the GPS unit.
Yes, but... 3:45 "The key is you have to create the route from scratch with Ridewithgps"...
You found out yourself by importing the .gpx (the one you exported from Stava) doesn't give you the cues, so starting from scratch seems the only option.
Have you found a way around this? I'm seriously considering the Elemnt, but it's this what's keeping me from it.
Try recreating a 100 mile ride from scratch, hours of time wasted behind the screen:(
Fingers crossed strava sort this out with wahoo
How about a kiwi for some bidons today. Good job on the videos.
Hey Shane, been watching your channel for a while. Are you able to revisit this Wahoo - in particular the Wahoo Elemnt Roam and it's ever growing list of problems? Foreinstance, for anyone bike packing or ride long distances it often crashes mid-ride, anything above and 300km and it'll freeze and you will have to perform a hard reset and wait forever whilst it recovers the activity and then reload the route again. It is so so annoying and their customer service won't give an answer of when it will be fixed, myself I've been waiting since July, but others have been waiting longer. It's about high time they fixed the Roam.
If the issue is on their radar, that’s a start. As for me test riding a 300km route (or multiple) to test this, that’s not happening any time soon. 😉
Good video. I just got back on the bike after a year collecting dust and now my Wahoo rflkt is no longer supported by strava and there is still no good unit out there that is worth the cash. My iphone and quadlock although not perfect does all that these do and more, can use strava, wahoo, cyclemeterand google all at the same time plus if i need to find a toilet, place to fill my water or cheeky latte i am sorted once gps gets more accurate on the phones or even apple watch or other high end smart watches with gps, barometer, cellular etc i don't know what the others will do to compete? Thoughts people?
Also curious about the Lezyne Super GPS ?
I was wondering how turn by turn navigation works when there are no street names such as in parts of Japan. I am guessing you still get right or left, but instead of street you get which cho or chome you are in?
That's a great question. One for Wahoo Support or maybe even Rides of Japan here on RUclips.
Hey Shane I just got my Elemnt and found your vid. Any updates since this was posted? Thanks and great vid.
No major changes to routing or navigation with the Elemnt/Bolt since this video. Tons of firmware updates though for compatibility and the like though.
SHANE!! I NEED TO CHOOSE, BETWEEN AN ELMNT, ELMNT B0LT AND A GARMIN 820, WITHOUT ENTERING DETAILS, WHICH IS THE BEST PURCHASE IN THIS 2019?
JESUS IS SITTING ON YOUR SHIFT KEY! Which is the best purchase for you in 2019? That depends what features you want? What it needs to integrate with. What price point you're looking at. What mounts you have. What preference you have for configuration. There's no best answer I can give you without asking all these questions and grilling you for more info. Best I can advise is to watch reviews, read comments, and go from there.
I really like your video reviews Shane, but in this case I can't believe you didn't already know this. After 5 mins research before buying one, I knew you need to use Ride with GPS or Komoot to get turn by turn. It's there half way down the page on the Wahoo website.
+Paul Skinner There's the basic detail but no explanation. I want to understand and not just accept the odd behaviors like Strava not working with cues, or why when I did use RideWithGPS to create the route (via GPX import) that it still didn't work. And why can't it ever re-route? I now have an understanding, not just answers to regurgitate. We're 12 months down the road since it was launched ( turn by turn) and none of these have been added or updated for a better user experience!? I had ignorant faith they just may have.
In terms of understanding why Strava won't route with cues, I agree. Its annoying that you need to sign up to another service to make full use. My point being however you start the video by saying "The details I wish i had of known" and then go on to talk about your experiences with Strava maps on the unit. You imply that you had no idea this was the case, something that 5 mins research could of easily answered.
+Paul Skinner Yes, I had no idea it was this difficult for the end user (me). Wahoo sync routes with Strava, so I didn't expect it to give me a basic map overlay only. Then when I did use RideWithGPS,
It still didn't work. So I wanted to know why. Then when it had no re-route, I wanted to know why. I was and still am frustrated with that process. So this is the information I wish I had of known. If everyone knows this already or figured out all the intricacies and accepted it in a few minutes, great. That wasn't my experience, and that's what my RUclips is all about, my experience... and sometimes helping others not make the same mistakes.
FWIW--creating routes in Strava is abysmal compared to creating them in RWGPS. Missing bike paths, roads Strava won't let you route through, etc. On RWGPS you can see cumulative elevation as you go, and there are multiple map overlays in case one map won't let you route somewhere.
Calling that "this difficult for the end user" seems like a bit of an overstatement to me. Worked with no problems the first time I tried it.
I stopped using Strava to create routes long before I got my Elemnt for the reasons above. Also--you'll notice at the top of the page, it's still a "beta" product.
Totally agree. I had no trouble using RWGPS to download routes with TBT to the Wahoo Elemnt. Moreover, I used navigation on the Elemnt without any problems or need for re-routing. The reason you need re-routing with Garmin is that navigation is so poor you often go off route.
Um, I created a very simple 3 turn course just to test the nav feature and I'm not even getting any navigation at all. I do see the bread crumbs but when I hit the start button they go away then like I said, I don't get any kind of navigation at all. Oh, btw I created the test course with Ride With GPS. Hoping to get this figured out by tomorrow because I'm riding more than 100 miles with many many many turns.
Thank you works fine for me
Created a route with ride with gps , the route shows the cue sheet with directions per turn. Synced to the Bolt , result - breadcrumb trail ?
I rode my bike yesterday without gps
FAKE NEWS! hahahah! ;)
I hear you are still trying to find your way home 👍
WOW
Nothing better than dead reckoning!
Since this review is 2 years old, I was wondering if it’s still actual? Is it still ipossible to i port routes straight out of Strava and get turn by turn navigation?
No, Strava still do not export the cues. The ROAM will import a Strava route and apply them itself as it has more advanced mapping capabilities.
+wahoofitness I'd rather have all the relevant metadata for city/state/region and have the turn-by-turn on the fly vs global maps to continents that I'll never be in. Thanks for the clarification +gplama
So.... 3 years on.... has strava added turn by turn on their route exports?
Nope. In fact, they removed cues altogether from the recent route builder update. So..... Komoot and RideWithGPS are your friend here.
Does the Elemnt have the same problem or does it sync with Strava without having to use other sites?
The Elemnt and Bolt are the same for navigation. The Roam is different and can give you turn by turn navigation for all routes/sync/files