What about Elvis!? I love Elvis but he began dating Priscilla when she was 14 and he was 24!! Today's social media would've lynched him plus the amount of affairs he had would've made him a massive topic on Social media!!
I also like Elvis!! but Ik about even more people that was under age like for example Adolf Hitler and eva braun Eva was 17 and Adolf was like 50 or something idk :/ so yeah--
It's actually not as scandalous as present day people think. Back then it was common for girls to marry at like 16... Especially in the south. My grandmother was married at 17.
Samantha Koval That was a very kind thing to say. I like to think of “victims” as “survivors”. Sadly though, even if the abuser is caught and sent to prison, a survivor of sexual abuse still gets a “life sentence” (the effects of the abuse can rear its ugly head at various times throughout the rest of a survivor’s life, no matter how much counseling they receive...).
you can't be truly peaceful until you know you can do harm. If you can't do violence you're not peaceful, you're harmless, and that's an entirely different character.
#3 - Wozniack later said that if Jobs would have simply told him he needed the money, he would have let him have all of it. Jobs was a jerk, Woz is a genuinely nice guy.
the truth is that when people die we tend to forget their faults, the thing that I hate the most is when a famous person dies he sudenly becomes the best person ever known🤔😒😒
Why I feel like I'm getting it opposite.. All I can think of was ppl digging them to find their flaws when they can't even defend themselves anymore. * Cough* MJ *cough *
Arika Karin that is true, eventually- if you remember reports from the day/week after mj’s death it was all positive and remembering how great career even though he was suspicious when he was alive, probably the same with Jimmy savile but I don’t remember when he died, we forget the unconfirmed stuff, but then when the celebration is over the people who have been abused come out
Maybe that's why blow up dolls were invented,I see that when someone is told the being famous is people being miraged especially when they've tricked us all into paying them. But either who, kick it and not physically!
@@sutherlandA1 To be fair Apple at that time was hemorrhaging money so badly that he need every dollar he could get his hands on to straight out the mess that had been made of the company. There were many boneheaded moves - the LC II (be able to put 12 MB of RAM in the computer but only be able to use 10 MB of it) the authorized Mac Clones ( which fragmented what was already a small user base) the delays and feature creep of OpenDoc, Taligent, and Copland and a hose of other things.
I have to say, I never liked John Lennon, and never knew why, there is something about him that I think it looks like a facade, and besides, I know a lot of awful people that loves him so much (I'm not saying that everyone that likes his music or him is like that), but that is my experience anyway. And now I have a reason to dislike him.
I often find as a younger adult that the celebrity obsessions that came before me make no sense. People like Lennon or Dianna. We don’t get an explanation for their admiration just told they’re worth admiring and everyone loved them. It’s quite irritating actually.
I never understood why JFK cheated on Jackie, I also don't understand why Jackie was so head over heels for him despite him clearly not loving her that much
She actually was not head over heels on love with him. In the 50s she was going to leave him but JFK dad gave her a lot of money to stay in the marriage and she did stay.
They had two babies die either from miscarriage or after hours of birth, for a family built on mass production, maybe that did something to their marriage.
Great list, but #2 almost nullifies the intention of the video. Fatty Arbuckle got utterly destroyed without the need of the Internet. As a matter of fact, it is quite amazing how media and public opinion got enough momentum to drive an entire career and person off a cliff even with the basic connectivity society had back then.
Francisco Mariño In fact, the Hollywood Production Code was born out of this scandal, along with the William Desmond Taylor murder only a few months later; the actual enforcement where the films themselves were concerned was still a decade in the future.
And how much further would it have gone with the internet? Maybe farther? Maybe not as far. Who knows? But it is remarkable, with how ferocious Internet culture is today, just how _bad_ some of these long-ago scandals actually got; bad enough to define entire rulesets out of nowhere.
UnYin99 she sounds like she had pelvic inflammatory disease or an untreated uti. If she’d had previous flare ups and they were woefully undereducated about that stuff then, very sad he was railroaded I think had it happened now medical common sense would’ve cleared him.
There's a wonderful anecdote about a wild after-party where several of the "little people" were heard shouting, "Ding, dong, the wicked witch is dead!". There are several Hollywood histories that talk about the horrific abuse Judy Garland endured during the making of The Wizard of Oz. Ironically, Margaret Hamilton (Wicked Witch of the West) was very kind to Garland and frequently took the studio to task for their treatment of the young actress.
If you read the whole story about Arbuckle it makes it pretty clear he was innocent, I mean the judge apologized to him over the whole ordeal. There was a lot of political corruption, jury tampering, and seedy characters involved. People still hated him after because they didn't really follow up on the aftermath of the story and Hearst had sensationalized his arrest yet when the 3 trials were over only a small article was written about it and he was persona non grata by then. But hey it brought about the Hays code so it's pretty historically significant as far as Hollywood goes.
Allie Powell Unfortunately, scandals get the headlines and retractions are on page five under the horoscopes and bridge tips. These days, you see that quite often with medical/scientific studies: the first study’s results get top billing, while the fact that it failed to be replicated and is therefore invalid rarely makes the news at all, i.e. the “vaccines cause autism” debacle.
I'm very curious as to how being raped could cause your bladder to burst days later. A childhood friend of one of my sister's bladder ruptured, thank the Gods it didn't kill her. But it was due to child abuse. She was a tiny, very pale beautiful little blond haired girl named Trinity. And she was so terrified of her mother that when she got grounded to her bedroom, I'm not sure for how long, she didn't leave to go the bathroom and she dared not soil herself. I think that this must have happened often for her bladder walls to be weak enough to burst like that.
I remember many of these incidents. You make me feel old Simon. A 5 year old mentioned one of your incidents once. I told him that I remember seeing that and he asked if everything was in black & white back then. I Sometimes I feel really old. Thanks for the historic nostalgia.
@@tallyholt465 Buddy Holy s wife was 24 or 25 when they married, he was 21 or 22. They were married just under 6 months when he died in the plane crash
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7:18 - Bro, he’s standing there all proud with his OBVIOUS CHILD bride as she chews on gum and looks apathetic and bored as the adults talk over her head, as children are wont to do. Wow.
I could just watch your channel non-stop. The topics never fail to peak my interest, the content is repeatedly educational and entertaining. Simon is also the perfect blend of a dry & sarcastic but charismatic & charming host.
another scandal about Doyle would be he cheated on his first wife while she was dying of TB and how awful he was towards his daughter during his second marriage to Jean.
Let’s not forget John Lennon “ALLEGEDLY” was the cause of two killings; one from a hit and run and another where he had a fight with someone he knew who, a year later, died from complications that could be connected to the injuries caused by John. Then you have Yoko who, first off, George Harrison disliked STRONGLY and the rest of the band didn’t seem too fond of her either, and secondly, she spent all of John’s money on her and John’s drug addiction as well as being smacked into the center of potentially causing the Beatles to break up in the first place. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk, I’ll b leaving now.
Kennedy's wife Jackie was the daughter of a serial philanderer who was nicknamed, "black Jack ". There are some astonishing photos from the thirties of him in action. Jackies mother finally divorced him and married a rich man, teaching Jackie that if marriage didn't make you happy, at least having money and power helped. Jackie also married Aristotle Onassis for his money and spent as much of it as possible, leaving him to die alone in a Paris hospital...they were alk pretty self centered, unattractive users....
Jackie also was a philanderer. She and JFK had an extremely open marriage and they would both be as slutty as possible while maintaining a public image of grace, sophistication, and morality.
There's no proof that Arbuckle was guilty of anything! He went to trial three times, and was eventually acquitted of all charges. As it happened, he didn't need the internet to ruin him, the press coverage at the time did the job quite nicely. He went from being one of the biggest silent film stars of the day, to unemployable virtually overnight! He died a few years later at the age of 46, ruined and forgotten. A high price indeed, for a man who was most probably innocent.
It would have still broken the internet doe... Even if he was innocent it would be a massiv talkingpoint between people who believed he was innocent and people who thought he was quilty.
Angel Singer- I suppose you think it's creepy that he was that young girls guardian, and had to wait for her to grow up to marry her. If so, I'd have to agree with you!
I thought this was CELEBRITY scandals. Kent State qualifies as a celebrity scandal? In that case why wasn't the Derry Massacre aka Bloody Sunday included Mr. Brit???
Eric Lurio Maybe not, but they WERE together, they had a child together, and WERE raising the kids together. Allen is a weirdo, and probably couldn’t live with all those kids, so he had his own place.
Fatty Arbuckle was innocent and her last name was pronounced like Rap-pay...its only sad that she pretty much ruined his career and also his leading lady in most of the films, because his movies were being banned because of the whole trial her work too wasnt being seen. (I cannot remember her name sadly) she was supposed to be a drug abuser who was involved in hollywoods oldest unsolved murder (I think her name is Mildred Davis) the whole 3 trials were sad and even the judge apologized to Mr Arbuckle.
Arbuckle was tried, convicted and sentenced by the media of his era. As far as I have been able to determine, everybody got drunk, and she collapsed on a bed fully clothed. The alcohol became the final blow that caused her body to fail. Arbuckle was framed.
Yeah, I am no Bowie fan at all, not one iota, but I have just recently learned about this whole mattix story & it sounds fishy & highly likely to be untrue. From what I have discovered she has changed her story at least 3 times, which is dodgy, and also apparently there has never been any evidence she ever even met David! Thus, I am inclined to take it with a hefty pinch of salt!
@@chantellelandon85 Her account of the incident feels extremely romanticized, almost like a fantasy. The timeline is really dodgy and it's certainly much less well documented than her relationship with Page. That said, I don't doubt that Bowie was definitely sleeping with much younger women at various points in his life and I'm pretty sure most rock stars in the 70s probably did things that we'd now recognize as incredibly unethical at best.
I love your videos man. I could watch them all day. You have the best information. I have to stop myself from keeping watching, ha ha! Thank you a ton for the information.
Not technically celebs, but I would wonder what the response to the Wallis Simpson affair & Edward VIII abdication of the Throne in the age of the Web. Also Thomas True blood and the Jam Handy incident
TheWolfHowling I read that England actually kept the Edward/Simpson affair out of the press until just before the abdication. Can you imagine that happening today?
Yeah, holy crap, of course they were celebrities of their day. The story blew up without the assistance of the internet, it was such a big deal. You'd hear about which other famous person was sticking by them and which weren't, it was a huge thing.
The differences with Prince Harry are: 1. It's 2017, not 1936 2. The Church of England accepts divorces. 3. Harry is 6th in line for the throne and falling fast, Edward WAS the King 4. It's 2017, dang nabbit.
Really they were celebs at the time, the same way the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are today in pop culture (albeit, I doubt anyone would have the audacity then to call King Edward and Wallis Simpson "Ed and Wall").
Then you have the David Bowie / Mick Jagger scandal and the subsequent Rolling Stones song "Angie". (Hint, Angie just so happens to be the name of David Bowie's wife at the time)
Didnt they consider with putting the little peope cast onto the hotel that putting 10-15 people in 1 hotel room to share 1-2 beds would get loud and pissed off.
The last one doesn't really fit with rest of the list, I don't think his reputation would be ruined just because of belief in the paranormal, that doesn't make sense to me.
I saw my first two concerts at 12 and 13; however, my mother escorted me to both. Sadly, both musicians are no longer with us, and as such I am grateful I got to see them live at the top of their respective games.
TheEvilAdventurer It's hardly like Page would admit to sth. like that and people don't usually have sex with witnesses present... so how would you ever independently confirm sth. like that? It is confirmed they dated however. She often escorted him to parties and there are photos of them together. That enough fact, Sherlock? 😉
Even if it is 100% true if it's hasn't been confirmed then that should be stated. This is exactly how you ruin peoples lives and names. I feel it's extremely wrong to do this kind of stuff, there's a reason why the courts say innocent until proven guilty.
Fermonos1 He told a lot of people about it, and had a lot of "scenes" and sex with a LOT of witnesses. Pamela DeBarre's bio tells almost everything since she dated Jimmy Page for years, and she was under age too. If you're going to protect someone, Jimmy Page is probably the last person on earth you should pick.
Exactly. That's the only case of Bowie ever showing any kind of pedophilia behavior whatsoever, and it's all based off of the account given by one single person nearly 50 years after it happened. The evidence simply isn't there. I'm not one who tried to put down victims usually, not at all, but it seems to me like Lori is just trying to cash in on what tiny amount of fame she can get, only after David began to re-enter the public eye
No wonder Garland committed suicide. Doyle's belief in the paranormal wouldn't cause any trouble for him now days, so it kind of the other way around on this one. Far more people are open with and to this belief than previously.
Rob Newman I believe that they are actively practicing eugenics and sterilizing the population to keep us breeding below replacement levels. Their is already precedent. Wait till it breaks.
Just to clarify a small point about John Lennon's infidelity. Yoko Ono actually encouraged he and May Pang to run off together for his 18 month-long "Lost Weekend".
With Yoko but he cheated on Cynnthia with Yoko and to add insult to injury Cunthia caught them in HER house with Yoko wearing HER bathrobe , no justifying THAT . John was a pig to Cynthia and their son . And YES John and Cybthia were still living together in the same house when this happened
Should’ve really started this video with a *Spoiler Alert:* Hope you’re not too attached to these famous people, because we’re about to shatter all those positive vibes you once cherished about them...
Another that could have made your list that has been well documented in books and film is the Profumo Affair from the early 1960’s. This one still attracts interest even today.
Jeffrey Williams Kind of funny that it took a sex scandal (RIP Christine Keeler, btw) to bring about societal change in the UK, rather than JFK's assassination in the US.
I doubt people would turn away from Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. I mean speaking from experiences most writers, especially of novelists are really weird. However that inherent weirdness is what brings stories to life.
He didn't turn to spiritualism until much later in life, I think after the death of a family member. By that time, the Sherlock Holmes books and character himself had become so popular that they were bigger even than man who created them.
3:53 - Believe-it-or-else: the Kent State shootings probably changed 60s music into 70s music! Case in point: 1969- "Volunteers" by Jefferson Airplane, with its "we're gonna change the world" message. 1970- incident at Kent State. 1971- "moon shadow" by Cat Stevens, with the message of "screw it, let's jest make the best of a bad situation"...!
Did he just say no one would expect a member of Led Zeppelin to be involved in a scandal? Because I didn't think Simon was THAT young... not only were pretty much all hard rock bands automatically scandalous in the 70s (whether they really were or not) but I can name a couple of genuine scandals associated specifically with Led Zeppelin.
+TopTenz Jerry Maren the actor who played 'the Lollipop Kid' Munchkin in the Wizard of Oz. Has stated in several interviews that all of the roomers about the antics of the Munchkin actors that occurred during the filming of the movie, were nothing but a load of BS.
8:50 that’s not true if you read the book called “John Lennon” in which both of his wives contributed to they were asked if he ever hit them and they said that he never did but every time they would even argue he would cry and ask for forgiveness
Julia Dillard no it was a different girl friend in the early years of the Beatles but yes he did hit her once very sad but he felt horrible and could never put his hands on a woman again
Yoko actually encouraged John Lennon's affair with May Pang and set the whole thing up. John was troubled because of an awful family growing up situation, but these shows are short on nuance.
The Kent State shootings happened on my birthday and I now have a friend who was actually on the Kent State campus that day, though not where the shootings took place. Horrible.
“JERRY LEE WOULD HAVE BROKEN THE INTERNET” uh i mean he was already nearly blacklisted. as soon as the people found out during his UK tour they wanted him deported
10. Sure I'll believe someone who tells different versions of stories all the time 9. Poor girl 7. I kinda....don't care 6. 🤮 5. Huh?!!! 2. Who?!!!! 1......that's it?
Re: Number 1 Doyle was actually holding views that most scholars did at the time. It’s surprising now but many people of the time believed in fairies and supernatural.
The scandal that would have brought down Arthur Conan Doyle was that he was a racist and a firm believer in eugenics for “racial purification.” People would think him a “kook” at worst for his views on spiritualism, but he’d be considered a monster for his views on race. I’m surprised he hasn’t already been besmirched by modern revisionists, considering how Laura Ingalls Wilder has been treated!
The story about Jerry Lee Lewis is wrong. He had already married Myra before leaving for England (his third marriage and he was still only 22 years old). When a British journalist asked her who she was, she answered "Jerry's wife" which set off the firestorm. To this day she wishes she had kept her mouth closed.
Don't think many people bought Kennedy's 's excuse, including his wife? If she wanted to know the truth she was smart enough to ask a Dr. She promised Joe Kenedy that she would stay with Jack.
No - Simon got this right. And Doyle was scammed over the 'faeries' by 2 English schoolgirls. I saw the TV interview with the surviving girl (now old lady) some years ago.
Kennedy's dalliances do not at all show what kind of a man he really was. It's a lot more complex than that, as he did a lot more in his tragically shortened life than cheat on his wife. Does that excuse him? No, but I really hate this kind of reductive, self-righteous twaddle.
Lori Mattox was not the only one or the youngest. The late music writer Mick Farren was revolted by Led Zeppelin ‘getting their ****s sucked by 13-year-olds under the table’. Even infamous groupie Pamela Des Barres said: ‘They were very debauched and the girls got younger and younger and more willing to do anything. It got to be incredibly sick.’ "Woman you need"... "back to schooling" written at a time when Jimmy Page was at it with 13 & 14 year old girls. Steve Tyler of Aerosmith actually legally adopted his underage squeeze.
Anon B Being a fan of Led Zeppelin as a teenager, I now cringe at all the sexually perverse things they did.... Honestly, it's really diminished my appreciation of their music to the point I can't listen to them any more...
I live near the studio where TWOO was SHOT, &, historically infamous hotel that housed the actors playing the Munchkins. Those must have been WILD times!
Juan Domingo Peròn (President of Argentina 1946-1955 and 1973-1974) dated a 14-year old girl after Evita passed away. She even moved to the Olivos country house with him.
Alright, the list is not bad ,but there are many mistakes.First of all, you can't really compare the past with the present. There a lot of things that people in general did or believed in the past that are wrong according to the today's standarts(and the SJW standarts). Lori Maddox/Mattix was a groupie. She slept with a lot of musicians , comedians and radio host as well as a lot of other underage boys and girls. They were not raped or abused , that were the 70s and that's how the things were. Teenagers were partying. She knew what she was doing, she wanted to do it and she enjoyed it. She was also slept with Bowie after Page when she was 15. And she didn't meet Page the way its explained in the video. I mean, it was the sexual revolution , there were many hippies,both in the 60s and the 70s and people were walking naked on streets. If you want to learn more about the time and the groupie scene just read I'm With the Band by Pamela Des Barres and you will understand. There are other mistakes that i will not mention although I will say that John Lennon didn't beat Yoko Ono and didn't abused his son . He slapped his first wife though ,and that's not OK ,I know, but he was young and with time he changed.
It's basically 99% clear that Arbuckle did not do anything to that poor girl. There's also a very real possibility that the bootleg alcohol poisoned her, especially if she already had problems with her bladder. It was common for bootleg liquor to be very dangerous.
👏Sherlock Holmes wad real. It is based on Scottish Dr Joseph 🛎 Bell who taught medicine, Forensic Pathology & deductive reasoning. Well worth looking up!
Lest we forget, John Lennon once nearly beat a man (Bob Wooler) to death in a drunken rage when Wooler intimated that Lennon was homosexual. violence against loved ones isn't hard to imagine.
What about Elvis!? I love Elvis but he began dating Priscilla when she was 14 and he was 24!! Today's social media would've lynched him plus the amount of affairs he had would've made him a massive topic on Social media!!
what former rockstar or musical artist is not a pedo then or now? just how it is
Nonce alert
I also like Elvis!! but Ik about even more people that was under age like for example Adolf Hitler and eva braun
Eva was 17 and Adolf was like 50 or something idk :/ so yeah--
@@sigynfoxy69 Not to be judgemental but this Hitler guy seems quite unpleasant.
It's actually not as scandalous as present day people think. Back then it was common for girls to marry at like 16... Especially in the south. My grandmother was married at 17.
So much pedophilia, horrifying and disgusting. I heart goes out to the victims.
" Victims"
The legal age for marriage was much lower in those days.
@@PanglossDrLOL. They just recently raised the age you could get married with parental permission from 13 to 16 in one state.
Samantha Koval That was a very kind thing to say. I like to think of “victims” as “survivors”. Sadly though, even if the abuser is caught and sent to prison, a survivor of sexual abuse still gets a “life sentence” (the effects of the abuse can rear its ugly head at various times throughout the rest of a survivor’s life, no matter how much counseling they receive...).
Paedophilia*
'It was always the most violent people who went for the peace and love stuff, ostensibly because of guilt.' < That is really dark.
you can't be truly peaceful until you know you can do harm. If you can't do violence you're not peaceful, you're harmless, and that's an entirely different character.
Keetah Brough thank you for your comment. I’ve been looking for a way to explain this forever!! 🙏🏽🙌🏽
@@keetahbrough seriously dude that's dope
And so r u
It's so dark...yet controversial
The infamous quote of what ones won't do,sick yet we see a physchiatrist
#3 - Wozniack later said that if Jobs would have simply told him he needed the money, he would have let him have all of it. Jobs was a jerk, Woz is a genuinely nice guy.
I really hope and pray Judy Garland is Resting at Peace now
I farted in her dinner.
It’s so refreshing to see someone speaking the truth of John Lennon.
Same here, he was an awful person and a hypocrite.
Yep. I will never understand how people can still fawn over him. He was horrible.
@@bison1203 oops i did it again
he made was making amends.....deserves forgiveness
his music was still amazing and ahead of his time tho
the truth is that when people die we tend to forget their faults, the thing that I hate the most is when a famous person dies he sudenly becomes the best person ever known🤔😒😒
Why I feel like I'm getting it opposite.. All I can think of was ppl digging them to find their flaws when they can't even defend themselves anymore. * Cough* MJ *cough *
Arika Karin that is true, eventually- if you remember reports from the day/week after mj’s death it was all positive and remembering how great career even though he was suspicious when he was alive, probably the same with Jimmy savile but I don’t remember when he died, we forget the unconfirmed stuff, but then when the celebration is over the people who have been abused come out
Probably cause THEY died. Sadly enough to say.
“If I played guitar I’d be Jimmy Page, the girlies I like are underage...” I finally get this Beastie Boys lyric.
I’m surprised Mike D knew more about zeppelin than I did at that time
Mario C. likes to keep it clean
But i like xanax
Maybe that's why blow up dolls were invented,I see that when someone is told the being famous is people being miraged especially when they've tricked us all into paying them. But either who, kick it and not physically!
Most people DO think of Steve Jobs as an evil person... at least everyone I know
Hard to see someone who uses slave labour to produce their products as NOT evil. >:(
When he regained control of Apple he immediately cancelled any charitable causes the company donated to
Yeah but iPhones are siq 🤙
@@sutherlandA1 To be fair Apple at that time was hemorrhaging money so badly that he need every dollar he could get his hands on to straight out the mess that had been made of the company. There were many boneheaded moves - the LC II (be able to put 12 MB of RAM in the computer but only be able to use 10 MB of it) the authorized Mac Clones ( which fragmented what was already a small user base) the delays and feature creep of OpenDoc, Taligent, and Copland and a hose of other things.
Steve Jobs was evil because iPhones are 100% GAY👍
I don’t understand the love with John Lennon....
I have to say, I never liked John Lennon, and never knew why, there is something about him that I think it looks like a facade, and besides, I know a lot of awful people that loves him so much (I'm not saying that everyone that likes his music or him is like that), but that is my experience anyway. And now I have a reason to dislike him.
He seriously looked like a serial killer....I never saw the allure
Love his music, hate the guy though.
Thank you you guys!! I’m glad I’m not the only one to think this!!
I often find as a younger adult that the celebrity obsessions that came before me make no sense. People like Lennon or Dianna. We don’t get an explanation for their admiration just told they’re worth admiring and everyone loved them. It’s quite irritating actually.
I never understood why JFK cheated on Jackie, I also don't understand why Jackie was so head over heels for him despite him clearly not loving her that much
She actually was not head over heels on love with him. In the 50s she was going to leave him but JFK dad gave her a lot of money to stay in the marriage and she did stay.
Jackie was a trophy wife above all else (she was a photographer by trade).
Power money etc etc
They were two miserable rich people in an unhappy marriage that was based completely on publicity and Catholic baby- farming.
They had two babies die either from miscarriage or after hours of birth, for a family built on mass production, maybe that did something to their marriage.
Great list, but #2 almost nullifies the intention of the video. Fatty Arbuckle got utterly destroyed without the need of the Internet. As a matter of fact, it is quite amazing how media and public opinion got enough momentum to drive an entire career and person off a cliff even with the basic connectivity society had back then.
Francisco Mariño In fact, the Hollywood Production Code was born out of this scandal, along with the William Desmond Taylor murder only a few months later; the actual enforcement where the films themselves were concerned was still a decade in the future.
And how much further would it have gone with the internet? Maybe farther? Maybe not as far. Who knows? But it is remarkable, with how ferocious Internet culture is today, just how _bad_ some of these long-ago scandals actually got; bad enough to define entire rulesets out of nowhere.
Agreed. Arbuckle was totally railroaded by public opinion and prejudice.
True, he should have replaced Fatty Arbuckle with Grover Cleveland...
UnYin99 she sounds like she had pelvic inflammatory disease or an untreated uti. If she’d had previous flare ups and they were woefully undereducated about that stuff then, very sad he was railroaded I think had it happened now medical common sense would’ve cleared him.
There's a wonderful anecdote about a wild after-party where several of the "little people" were heard shouting, "Ding, dong, the wicked witch is dead!". There are several Hollywood histories that talk about the horrific abuse Judy Garland endured during the making of The Wizard of Oz. Ironically, Margaret Hamilton (Wicked Witch of the West) was very kind to Garland and frequently took the studio to task for their treatment of the young actress.
If you read the whole story about Arbuckle it makes it pretty clear he was innocent, I mean the judge apologized to him over the whole ordeal. There was a lot of political corruption, jury tampering, and seedy characters involved. People still hated him after because they didn't really follow up on the aftermath of the story and Hearst had sensationalized his arrest yet when the 3 trials were over only a small article was written about it and he was persona non grata by then. But hey it brought about the Hays code so it's pretty historically significant as far as Hollywood goes.
Allie Powell
Hearst was an animal. I really did not like the family. I knew for a fact that all the Hearst men were pretty awful people.
Allie Powell Unfortunately, scandals get the headlines and retractions are on page five under the horoscopes and bridge tips. These days, you see that quite often with medical/scientific studies: the first study’s results get top billing, while the fact that it failed to be replicated and is therefore invalid rarely makes the news at all, i.e. the “vaccines cause autism” debacle.
Allie Powell the hayes code?
Allie Powell
Thank you for sharing what you did. I enjoy learning new things. Now going to go read about the Hays/Hayes code. 😊
I'm very curious as to how being raped could cause your bladder to burst days later. A childhood friend of one of my sister's bladder ruptured, thank the Gods it didn't kill her. But it was due to child abuse. She was a tiny, very pale beautiful little blond haired girl named Trinity. And she was so terrified of her mother that when she got grounded to her bedroom, I'm not sure for how long, she didn't leave to go the bathroom and she dared not soil herself. I think that this must have happened often for her bladder walls to be weak enough to burst like that.
I remember many of these incidents. You make me feel old Simon. A 5 year old mentioned one of your incidents once. I told him that I remember seeing that and he asked if everything was in black & white back then.
I Sometimes I feel really old. Thanks for the historic nostalgia.
What about Elvis pursuing and eventually marrying a teenage girl?
Buddy Holly too
deekat3279 I’m sorry you were there?
nlaguins don’t talk ill of the dead
@@kingworm7168 culture vulture sounds like an elvis song!
@@tallyholt465 Buddy Holy s wife was 24 or 25 when they married, he was 21 or 22. They were married just under 6 months when he died in the plane crash
7:18 - Bro, he’s standing there all proud with his OBVIOUS CHILD bride as she chews on gum and looks apathetic and bored as the adults talk over her head, as children are wont to do. Wow.
I could just watch your channel non-stop. The topics never fail to peak my interest, the content is repeatedly educational and entertaining. Simon is also the perfect blend of a dry & sarcastic but charismatic & charming host.
So your saying judy garland smoked 4 packs of cigarettes a day? Dammm
lifelessdead89 bat king cole did, too. Jackie Gleeson was a committed smoker, as well
That's my new year's resolution! To get up to 4 packs!!!! Yesss!!! (not even joking)
How do you even find the time to smoke that much?
@@missironmouse no idea but that's the kind of time management I aspire too
Most celebs did from around the 4 yrs old and up till the 90s
another scandal about Doyle would be he cheated on his first wife while she was dying of TB and how awful he was towards his daughter during his second marriage to Jean.
lol reminds me of Neut Gingrich
He was also fond of opium, just like his famous character.
another consideration...the love triangle between Pattie Boyd, (the real-life “Layla,”), George Harrison and Eric Clapton.
Let’s not forget John Lennon “ALLEGEDLY” was the cause of two killings; one from a hit and run and another where he had a fight with someone he knew who, a year later, died from complications that could be connected to the injuries caused by John.
Then you have Yoko who, first off, George Harrison disliked STRONGLY and the rest of the band didn’t seem too fond of her either, and secondly, she spent all of John’s money on her and John’s drug addiction as well as being smacked into the center of potentially causing the Beatles to break up in the first place.
Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk, I’ll b leaving now.
Kennedy's wife Jackie was the daughter of a serial philanderer who was nicknamed, "black Jack ".
There are some astonishing photos from the thirties of him in action. Jackies mother finally divorced him and married a rich man, teaching Jackie that if marriage didn't make you happy, at least having money and power helped. Jackie also married Aristotle Onassis for his money and spent as much of it as possible, leaving him to die alone in a Paris hospital...they were alk pretty self centered, unattractive users....
Jackie also was a philanderer. She and JFK had an extremely open marriage and they would both be as slutty as possible while maintaining a public image of grace, sophistication, and morality.
christine paris she has a massive face
@@robertkeenan8151 bahahahaha
In the United States, you don't get "found innocent," you get "found not guilty."
There's no proof that Arbuckle was guilty of anything! He went to trial three times, and was eventually acquitted of all charges. As it happened, he didn't need the internet to ruin him, the press coverage at the time did the job quite nicely. He went from being one of the biggest silent film stars of the day, to unemployable virtually overnight! He died a few years later at the age of 46, ruined and forgotten. A high price indeed, for a man who was most probably innocent.
It would have still broken the internet doe... Even if he was innocent it would be a massiv talkingpoint between people who believed he was innocent and people who thought he was quilty.
Just like Kevin Spacey. All it takes is one "place a person on the bed" scenario and you are screwed
“Most probably innocent” doesn’t result in 3 trials. 3 trials had to mean there was enough evidence to pursue it.
@Sheila Gravely- Not at all. They're the sleazest scumbags on earth-- Always have been, always will be!
@@respectableaf9061Kevin spacey abused a 14 year old. So I wouldn’t describe him as innocent or the victim by any means
If you think JFK is the pre-Internet president who would’ve broken the Internet, you haven’t looked hard enough at Grover Cleveland.
Angel Singer- I suppose you think it's creepy that he was that young girls guardian, and had to wait for her to grow up to marry her. If so, I'd have to agree with you!
Cleveland's reply to his sex scandals was "yeah, so?" and that's why he won as the honesty candidate.
Angel Singer **coughwatergatecough**
Lol
Angel Singer Ikr, thank you for mentioning Grover, he would have been perfect for this list, most people don’t know how scandalous his life was.
I thought this was CELEBRITY scandals. Kent State qualifies as a celebrity scandal? In that case why wasn't the Derry Massacre aka Bloody Sunday included Mr. Brit???
Is a Brit allowed to call Bloody Sunday, Bloody Sunday?
So Jerry Lee Lewis pulled an Edgar Allen Poe?
Sweeeet home alabama
Nah, not enough necrophilia.
Charlie Chaplin was not like Woody Allen... Chaplin didn't raise the girl while he was married to her mom.
Neither did Allen.
@@ericlurio246, still incest.
@@aryebognar6663 Neither did Allen. He never actually lived with Mia Farrow and her children.
Eric Lurio Maybe not, but they WERE together, they had a child together, and WERE raising the kids together. Allen is a weirdo, and probably couldn’t live with all those kids, so he had his own place.
@robert punu And that was _what_ relevence?
Steve Jobs just goes to confirm what I always say: never trust a grown man who wears turtlenecks.
Hang on... I _do_ !
John Blackledge see those ellipses? That’s caused by your turtleneck trying to get you.
Fatty Arbuckle was innocent and her last name was pronounced like Rap-pay...its only sad that she pretty much ruined his career and also his leading lady in most of the films, because his movies were being banned because of the whole trial her work too wasnt being seen. (I cannot remember her name sadly) she was supposed to be a drug abuser who was involved in hollywoods oldest unsolved murder (I think her name is Mildred Davis) the whole 3 trials were sad and even the judge apologized to Mr Arbuckle.
Arbuckle was tried, convicted and sentenced by the media of his era.
As far as I have been able to determine, everybody got drunk, and she collapsed on a bed fully clothed. The alcohol became the final blow that caused her body to fail. Arbuckle was framed.
Yeah, it’s tragic what happened to him. Poor guy.
The Kennedy family patriarch, Joseph Sr.,who was known for selling illegal booze during prohibition.oked by AL.CAPONE.
it was one of the first time that media ruined a celebrity 's image
I generally take victims at their word but Lori Mattix keeps changing her word and some of the versions she's told make no sense.
Yeah, I am no Bowie fan at all, not one iota, but I have just recently learned about this whole mattix story & it sounds fishy & highly likely to be untrue.
From what I have discovered she has changed her story at least 3 times, which is dodgy, and also apparently there has never been any evidence she ever even met David!
Thus, I am inclined to take it with a hefty pinch of salt!
@@chantellelandon85 Her account of the incident feels extremely romanticized, almost like a fantasy. The timeline is really dodgy and it's certainly much less well documented than her relationship with Page. That said, I don't doubt that Bowie was definitely sleeping with much younger women at various points in his life and I'm pretty sure most rock stars in the 70s probably did things that we'd now recognize as incredibly unethical at best.
Kind of funny how Chaplin's granddaughter was named Oona.... after her grandmother (that underage girl who also dated J.D. Salinger)
Not surprised at the Steve Jobs scandal
Time to go make memes out of all of these!
I love your videos man. I could watch them all day. You have the best information. I have to stop myself from keeping watching, ha ha! Thank you a ton for the information.
Not technically celebs, but I would wonder what the response to the Wallis Simpson affair & Edward VIII abdication of the Throne in the age of the Web. Also Thomas True blood and the Jam Handy incident
TheWolfHowling
I read that England actually kept the Edward/Simpson affair out of the press until just before the abdication. Can you imagine that happening today?
TheWolfHowling : The King of England is not a celebrity???????
Yeah, holy crap, of course they were celebrities of their day. The story blew up without the assistance of the internet, it was such a big deal. You'd hear about which other famous person was sticking by them and which weren't, it was a huge thing.
The differences with Prince Harry are:
1. It's 2017, not 1936
2. The Church of England accepts divorces.
3. Harry is 6th in line for the throne and falling fast, Edward WAS the King
4. It's 2017, dang nabbit.
Really they were celebs at the time, the same way the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are today in pop culture (albeit, I doubt anyone would have the audacity then to call King Edward and Wallis Simpson "Ed and Wall").
Then you have the David Bowie / Mick Jagger scandal and the subsequent Rolling Stones song "Angie".
(Hint, Angie just so happens to be the name of David Bowie's wife at the time)
Daya Autum tell me more
Was she the one who walked in on those two having sex or was that Bianca?
@@agoogleuser4443 They gaze in each other's eyes and almost kiss in the clip of "Dancin' In The Streets".
Umm, this is a list full of crimes!
Didnt they consider with putting the little peope cast onto the hotel that putting 10-15 people in 1 hotel room to share 1-2 beds would get loud and pissed off.
"Stole his underage girlfriend"
I think I'm seeing a pattern
Makes me sick, stealing someone's girlfriend like that, disgusting
The last one doesn't really fit with rest of the list, I don't think his reputation would be ruined just because of belief in the paranormal, that doesn't make sense to me.
It was a popular held belief by many of the time. So really wouldn’t have been that scandalous. Just surprising to us now
You missed the Stones Bill Wyman marrying a 15 year old, etc... :)
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely for sure!!!!!
Damn who let's 14 year old's go to concerts
Their 28 year old mothers.
Is this not common?
Their 42 year old Grandmothers.
I saw my first two concerts at 12 and 13; however, my mother escorted me to both. Sadly, both musicians are no longer with us, and as such I am grateful I got to see them live at the top of their respective games.
Angel Singer interesting what was the genre
BioGraphics is awesome
In the age of meme's, Steve Jobs would have been worshipped, hated, and lol'd at almost in equal measure.
Dear Mr. Simon,
I love all your programs! Thank you for all your hard work !
Number 10 is unconfirmed, you shouldn't report this as fact
TheEvilAdventurer It's hardly like Page would admit to sth. like that and people don't usually have sex with witnesses present... so how would you ever independently confirm sth. like that? It is confirmed they dated however. She often escorted him to parties and there are photos of them together. That enough fact, Sherlock? 😉
Even if it is 100% true if it's hasn't been confirmed then that should be stated. This is exactly how you ruin peoples lives and names. I feel it's extremely wrong to do this kind of stuff, there's a reason why the courts say innocent until proven guilty.
Fermonos1
He told a lot of people about it, and had a lot of "scenes" and sex with a LOT of witnesses. Pamela DeBarre's bio tells almost everything since she dated Jimmy Page for years, and she was under age too. If you're going to protect someone, Jimmy Page is probably the last person on earth you should pick.
Ann Nee denial isn't just a river in Egypt
Exactly. That's the only case of Bowie ever showing any kind of pedophilia behavior whatsoever, and it's all based off of the account given by one single person nearly 50 years after it happened. The evidence simply isn't there. I'm not one who tried to put down victims usually, not at all, but it seems to me like Lori is just trying to cash in on what tiny amount of fame she can get, only after David began to re-enter the public eye
Love your videos
No wonder Garland committed suicide. Doyle's belief in the paranormal wouldn't cause any trouble for him now days, so it kind of the other way around on this one. Far more people are open with and to this belief than previously.
Man. She never had a chance.
She didn't. Doyle's career after the fairy thing went down hill quickly, although he did create King Kong.
"Far more people are open with and to this belief than previously" - No they aren't. Grow up.
how about the Pattie Boyd/George Harrison/Eric Clapton fiasco? or George Harrison's affair with Ringo's wife?
Hmm, he should’ve done that one dude. Still will never forgive my boy George for that tho
**Celebrity Scandal**
Me: Is that Yoko? Ono...
Hehe
Who woulda thought the Munchkins were about that savage life
😂😂😂😂
"The Internet was a mistake."
Garland said the Culver City Police drove around each morning scooping up the passed out Munchkins with butterfly nets.
Lol, so funny !
Wow, so this means I'm not so weird?
Wait...am I normal?
So interesting to see the flip side of people we thought we knew and to speculate on how the Internet could have changed so many outcomes.
Jobs also denied peternity of his daughter, and forced her to grow up in poverty.
man with number 2 remember the FBI was poisoning alcohol round this time so maybe shes one of the many people who died from that?
Rob Newman I believe that they are actively practicing eugenics and sterilizing the population to keep us breeding below replacement levels. Their is already precedent. Wait till it breaks.
Just to clarify a small point about John Lennon's infidelity.
Yoko Ono actually encouraged he and May Pang to run off together for his 18 month-long "Lost Weekend".
True, but that's because the marriage was already in trouble.
With Yoko but he cheated on Cynnthia with Yoko and to add insult to injury Cunthia caught them in HER house with Yoko wearing HER bathrobe , no justifying THAT . John was a pig to Cynthia and their son . And YES John and Cybthia were still living together in the same house when this happened
Great Balls of Fire! (1989) with Dennis Quaid as Jerry Lee Lewis & Winona Ryder as Myra Gale Brown
Thanks... you cleared up an old Beastie Boys reference for me...
Rhonda Davies refresh my memory
Hestika kala from The New Style on Licensed to Ill..."If I played guitar I'd be Jimmy Page
The girlie's I like are underage (Check it!)"
Rhonda Davies thanks
Jerry Lee Lewis . . . Damn, he stomped his foot down on the accelerator and never let up, never even thought about tapping the brakes, LOL.
Roy Moore would watch this and not comprehend the "scandal" aspect of most of them.
Jobs was never a tech guy he was a marketing guy, who exploited the work of several actual tech guys.
Should’ve really started this video with a *Spoiler Alert:* Hope you’re not too attached to these famous people, because we’re about to shatter all those positive vibes you once cherished about them...
Biographics is a HIT 10/10
Another that could have made your list that has been well documented in books and film is the Profumo Affair from the early 1960’s. This one still attracts interest even today.
Jeffrey Williams Kind of funny that it took a sex scandal (RIP Christine Keeler, btw) to bring about societal change in the UK, rather than JFK's assassination in the US.
Great video ty
I doubt people would turn away from Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. I mean speaking from experiences most writers, especially of novelists are really weird. However that inherent weirdness is what brings stories to life.
He didn't turn to spiritualism until much later in life, I think after the death of a family member. By that time, the Sherlock Holmes books and character himself had become so popular that they were bigger even than man who created them.
3:53 - Believe-it-or-else: the Kent State shootings probably changed 60s music into 70s music! Case in point: 1969- "Volunteers" by Jefferson Airplane, with its "we're gonna change the world" message. 1970- incident at Kent State. 1971- "moon shadow" by Cat Stevens, with the message of "screw it, let's jest make the best of a bad situation"...!
Wow I’ve never clicked a video faster.
Did he just say no one would expect a member of Led Zeppelin to be involved in a scandal? Because I didn't think Simon was THAT young... not only were pretty much all hard rock bands automatically scandalous in the 70s (whether they really were or not) but I can name a couple of genuine scandals associated specifically with Led Zeppelin.
Man, Charlie Chaplin did all that seedy stuff, and he couldn't even talk...
Why does this surprise you
He couldn't talk ? Really ?
+TopTenz Jerry Maren the actor who played 'the Lollipop Kid' Munchkin in the Wizard of Oz. Has stated in several interviews that all of the roomers about the antics of the Munchkin actors that occurred during the filming of the movie, were nothing but a load of BS.
The David Bowie rumor is probably not even true.
They probably are true
Simon, do you ever get break having all if these different programs?
8:50 that’s not true if you read the book called “John Lennon” in which both of his wives contributed to they were asked if he ever hit them and they said that he never did but every time they would even argue he would cry and ask for forgiveness
He did hit Cynthia once in the beginning of their relationship. She said it was the only time.
Julia Dillard no it was a different girl friend in the early years of the Beatles but yes he did hit her once very sad but he felt horrible and could never put his hands on a woman again
I'm glad you brought up John Lennon. Read the lyrics to his song, "Run For Your Life" and tell me it's scary as hell.
Yoko actually encouraged John Lennon's affair with May Pang and set the whole thing up. John was troubled because of an awful family growing up situation, but these shows are short on nuance.
The Kent State shootings happened on my birthday and I now have a friend who was actually on the Kent State campus that day, though not where the shootings took place. Horrible.
The John Lennon Admiration Society never fails to amaze me. Even when the facts are pointed out, still it persists.
“JERRY LEE WOULD HAVE BROKEN THE INTERNET” uh i mean he was already nearly blacklisted. as soon as the people found out during his UK tour they wanted him deported
10. Sure I'll believe someone who tells different versions of stories all the time
9. Poor girl
7. I kinda....don't care
6. 🤮
5. Huh?!!!
2. Who?!!!!
1......that's it?
Re: Number 1 Doyle was actually holding views that most scholars did at the time. It’s surprising now but many people of the time believed in fairies and supernatural.
It'd be great if Simon could do another of these.
The scandal that would have brought down Arthur Conan Doyle was that he was a racist and a firm believer in eugenics for “racial purification.” People would think him a “kook” at worst for his views on spiritualism, but he’d be considered a monster for his views on race. I’m surprised he hasn’t already been besmirched by modern revisionists, considering how Laura Ingalls Wilder has been treated!
True, though one of the founders of Planned Parenthood was a racist eugenicist too, and the liberals still protect her reputation.
@@shebbs1 yeah, Margret sanger!
The story about Jerry Lee Lewis is wrong. He had already married Myra before leaving for England (his third marriage and he was still only 22 years old). When a British journalist asked her who she was, she answered "Jerry's wife" which set off the firestorm. To this day she wishes she had kept her mouth closed.
JFK had the same disease that I have, can confirm infidelity is not a treatment for it lol.
Don't think many people bought Kennedy's 's excuse, including his wife? If she wanted to know the truth she was smart enough to ask a Dr. She promised Joe Kenedy that she would stay with Jack.
Huh, didn't know that about Conan Doyle and Houdini, I'd heard that they worked together as paranormal debunkers.
No - Simon got this right. And Doyle was scammed over the 'faeries' by 2 English schoolgirls. I saw the TV interview with the surviving girl (now old lady) some years ago.
Kennedy's dalliances do not at all show what kind of a man he really was. It's a lot more complex than that, as he did a lot more in his tragically shortened life than cheat on his wife. Does that excuse him? No, but I really hate this kind of reductive, self-righteous twaddle.
I think the point is most people would've ignored the other stuff. It would've all been about the trifecta.
I'd bet that politicians who haven't ever been unfaithful are as scarce as hens' teeth!
THANK YOU for laying down these “hidden” facts!!!!
Lori Mattox was not the only one or the youngest. The late music writer Mick Farren was revolted by Led Zeppelin ‘getting their ****s sucked by 13-year-olds under the table’. Even infamous groupie Pamela Des Barres said: ‘They were very debauched and the girls got younger and younger and more willing to do anything. It got to be incredibly sick.’
"Woman you need"... "back to schooling" written at a time when Jimmy Page was at it with 13 & 14 year old girls.
Steve Tyler of Aerosmith actually legally adopted his underage squeeze.
Anon B Being a fan of Led Zeppelin as a teenager, I now cringe at all the sexually perverse things they did.... Honestly, it's really diminished my appreciation of their music to the point I can't listen to them any more...
sophia mac Me too. I was never hugely into them, but this, the black occultism and the frequent theft of other people's material.
I live near the studio where TWOO was SHOT, &, historically infamous hotel that housed the actors playing the Munchkins. Those must have been WILD times!
It's extra disturbing when the underage girls actually look like kids :(
Juan Domingo Peròn (President of Argentina 1946-1955 and 1973-1974) dated a 14-year old girl after Evita passed away. She even moved to the Olivos country house with him.
Alright, the list is not bad ,but there are many mistakes.First of all, you can't really compare the past with the present. There a lot of things that people in general did or believed in the past that are wrong according to the today's standarts(and the SJW standarts). Lori Maddox/Mattix was a groupie. She slept with a lot of musicians , comedians and radio host as well as a lot of other underage boys and girls. They were not raped or abused , that were the 70s and that's how the things were. Teenagers were partying. She knew what she was doing, she wanted to do it and she enjoyed it. She was also slept with Bowie after Page when she was 15. And she didn't meet Page the way its explained in the video. I mean, it was the sexual revolution , there were many hippies,both in the 60s and the 70s and people were walking naked on streets. If you want to learn more about the time and the groupie scene just read I'm With the Band by Pamela Des Barres and you will understand. There are other mistakes that i will not mention although I will say that John Lennon didn't beat Yoko Ono and didn't abused his son . He slapped his first wife though ,and that's not OK ,I know, but he was young and with time he changed.
It's basically 99% clear that Arbuckle did not do anything to that poor girl. There's also a very real possibility that the bootleg alcohol poisoned her, especially if she already had problems with her bladder. It was common for bootleg liquor to be very dangerous.
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Lest we forget, John Lennon once nearly beat a man (Bob Wooler) to death in a drunken rage when Wooler intimated that Lennon was homosexual. violence against loved ones isn't hard to imagine.