i dont think that rita summers was toxic tbh, i think his responses were quite warrented, he explained why he mapped it the way he did, he responded perfectly to the VETO, and honestly i think sotarks not reading his response was kinda more toxic then rita was in the entire situation, and tbh sotarks wasnt even toxic
I didn't expect this but I disagree with Sotarks saying Rita is "very toxic". What saggin did is basically that, doesn't want to listen to discussion and thinking themselves as absolutely correct
have you seen the mods on their diff? how they responded? when you go to ritas profile, do you see they were even warned for toxic behaviour and their account is not in good standing? honestly i dont like that the map was vetoed this quickly but lowkey rita deserves it
just because one person is toxic doesn't invalidate the toxicity of whoever they interact with, sotarks doesn't say rita's toxic to saggin, he says they're toxic in general, then cites blocking log off now (someone completely uninvolved in this), idk seems off to try exonerating rita atm
I feel like whenever someone takes a position of not listening to anything and not wanting to be convinced by anyone, they deserve to be clowned on until they listen, but the intensity and limits of it should be very clear. And I don't think the guy being toxic in the past makes his current stance wrong in this particular situation, much like you can't deny a claim just because the plaintiff is a convicted felon, there has to be enough reason and an adequate discussion
would love next time to like message me about making these kind of videos... because this came out while we are currently working on a highlight video where this part is also included i know i can't do anything about it, but it is what it is also about people saying i say that rita summers is toxic, i just want to say that it's very understandable to be pissed of this terrible executed veto but it's not a reason to be (passive) agressive on most of his replies... it's not helping the case that's all
Sorry for using VOD from your stream for a video without asking for permission first. Would you like me to take the video down or is it fine to leave it as it is?
@@Machii9052 no it's okay it's kinda too late, you can keep it just in the future if you plan on doing videos like this regarding my content, reach me out before (im not against this type of things if we talk about it before)
a player who doesn't play the game anymore and doesn't even have a 200pp play and doesn't map anything above 6 stars should not be judging an 8.8 star map
@@daaaaaaanny he veto’ed the map when the other BN’s were ok with the map being ranked which is kinda crazy but it’s more insane due to the reasons i just listed and Xeroa top diff shouldn’t be judged by people who don’t map above 6 stars either
@@JosiahCS Well yeah, that's what a veto is. This isn't unique to this situation. And again how is it "insane" that a BN can judge a map they can't play? You don't need to be able to play a map to know when a map has problems
@@daaaaaaanny modding or criticizing a map is different than veto’ing btw if Saggin just gave his opinion on the map and didn’t like it that’s fine but he felt entitled to not let it be ranked which is insane, osu needs to change that system asap
@@lekolyan8228 there's an important difference between creating something for other people, and removing something that was never meant for you and shouldn't be up to you
@@duccline lmao so should every map be ranked then? I mean, just creating and submitting a map inherently means you're "creating something for other people." But I guess no one can veto some dogshit 14* overmapped garbage cause no one can play it.
So is nobody qualified to veto the 12* maps that get ranked? Are they forced to go through qualified regardless of issues because nobody can play them? Such a brain-dead take
I don't really see the mapper as being toxic at all. He's completely right that he's talking to a brick wall, and that must feel pretty ass after wasting a ton of time on a map.
Damn this comment section is like the most immature thing i have seen recently. The veto could have been done a lot better for sure but people are behaving like internet brainrot took the last of their thinking capabilities away from them.
@@givikap120 i hate saying things like this but if you think Rita was toxic you really are just too soft. Yes the dude was passive-agressive and shit but a dumbass veto like this would also get many others emotional
Calling summers close minded and saying they won't want to have a discussion without even attempting to have one is pretty stupid. Remember noffy's words. Also idk about concluding that they're toxic based off of one message and seemingly not reading the larger one that you've only been told is toxic.
@@SolarFlare307 First of all, its not the n sword. Second, to sag is a verb in english. Third, there are languages that use what you would say is "the n word" on a regular basis - ie. Korean for the word "you", spanish for the colour "black", chinese pause word "uhhh".
Either he did lie, which would make sense, as its one of the most popular maps in the recent month, Or it couldve been the fact that he hasnt practically played the game since 2020.
For a map to be ranked, you need 2 nominators. If anyone has an issue, they can delay the ranking of a map by "modding" the map = what u see in the video when Saggin talks about the problems with the map in timestamps. As for what a VETO is, it's basically a nu-uh. Basically kicks the map from qualified back to pending (= needs 2 new nominators). A VETO is also used in things like the UN, for example when China doesn't want them to talk about their enslavement and torment of the Uyghurs. They can just say no and the other countries cannot talk about the issue publicly in the name of the UN.
"it’s like when you wanna go hang out with your friends and u ask for permission from literally everyone in the house alr but suddenly some random fifth cousin thrice removed move in and voice that you should read books instead and nobody can do shit bout it" - some reddit user
He did act like a child and miss-use the veto system, but mass reporting is an issue, yeah. But if it was just a mass report, wouldn't he be already unbanned? He's in the BN afterall.
@@saimonxdd weve had cases of osu staff being dumbasses so i wouldnt put it past them. and it makes zero sense why they would ban someone from a "wrongful" veto
@Xaezy549 You've got a point, but i also wasn't just talking about a miss-use of the VETO system. We are dealing with osu staff afterall, so evwn if i think the argument is extremely dumb, it could be something as minor as his name on osu bruh.
@@saimonxdd maybe i havent really been active alot. have other people gotten banned for their names? it would make sense if it was something hateful or racist but its some dumb brainrot just saggin😭
gw pribadi kalo veto nya sendiri deserved, cuma reasoning nya doang yang kurang matang, padahal masih punya 1 minggu buat cooking. mass reporting vetoers itu dah kek bocah banget tbh. benci komen atau bikin tweet tuh gw fw in, tapi kalo dah report itu gw benci banget attendant (rita summers) ini sebenarnya bisa ngemap bagus pake banget (bisa memuaskan player dan mapper), tapi dia ngemap bang bang itu ngemap sekedar mencari bad faith doang, gw gapaham sama pola pikir nya dia kok bisa satisfied dengan begini aja. ditambah attendant juga kalo ga salah ada sejarah kelam nya juga di osu, gw lupa apa aja kalo sotarks sendiri bilang dia toxic, berarti kemungkinan dia emang toxic beneran. mapper nya terlalu defensif terus di enable sama nominatornya. tapi masih kaget sih dari semua bn itu yang veto malah saggin, gw expect nya itu bn sekelas fuju dada atau nanoya dan fyi aja nih, veto itu cuma menunda ranked, jadi jangan terlalu resah sama veto. kalo udah di nuke baru tuh boleh resah karena udah saking unsalvageable nya jadi harus dirombak masal, veto kalau di upheld juga paling mentok cuma berubah 5% map nya dan buang2 waktu sorry if i didnt use english, its easier and clearer to explain in my native language
@@zamvss The veto would be deserved if the point he made wasnt a problem in every single ranked map these days. He repeats jumps, speed mappers repeat the same circle stream 18 times in one map. The "difficulty too high" point is completely subjective and isnt veto-able. The mass reporting wasn't justified, but he deserves hate. He knew the community had no issue with the map and loved it. Personally, i dont give a shit about the opinion of a 6digit that hasnt played the game since 2020. He shouldnt be allowed to choose which maps are ranked when he doesnt play the game.
lmao all trash people blaming saggin and justifying rita’s toxicity lol, map deserved the veto. even if it’s something yall want it’s still just a fullscreen jump spam training and nothing else, even dt aim farm maps are 10 times better lmfao
Absolutely false. Repeating patterns? Look at every single speed map and you will see that the same stream is used like 18 times in one map. The map is pretty well balanced for its difficulty and length and its something the players want. Something Saggin cant understand, as he hasnt played the game since 2020 and even if he did, he wouldnt be able to pass a 8.8* difficulty 3 minute map.
@@saimonxdd well speed maps aren’t that repetitive but you’re somewhat right about it. even tho i do kinda want aim meta to comeback i still think this top diff isn’t it, maybe he should’ve made it a bit less than a 1-2 fiery fullscreen jump spam. also people should stop hating saggin for it lol, maybe veto is too much but he’s not THAT wrong about it, would be better if rita listens to it AT LEAST A BIT and actually do something for a both side’s compromise instead of being toxic. also sorry for the first comment rudeness considering your nicely put response lol
6 digit wakes up from a 3 year coma to veto a map he can’t play
refuses to elaborate
leaves
Cloutiful spawned outta no where in chat 😭
His way of coping with finally getting caught
Lmao I saw that too
Timestamp?
@@fyve2806 5:24 is the first cloutiful message
5:24 for anyone who wonders (yes I found it)
"I dont play the game or keep up with the community"
Average bn
Saggin killed my entire family
i regret reading this backwards
@@leatherclub_ 💀
mass reporting still working in 2024
Saggin is the reason we cant have nice things
Saggins are the reason we can't have nice things
@@SixDigitOsu😰
@@SixDigitOsu sagging backwards are the reason we can't have nice things
siraP ni saggiN
THATS GOTTA BE RACIST
This veto feels like someone asking who put jumps in is jump map
I just realized what Saggin is backwards
Holy shut
Ninjas!?!?!?!?!
i dont think that rita summers was toxic tbh, i think his responses were quite warrented, he explained why he mapped it the way he did, he responded perfectly to the VETO, and honestly i think sotarks not reading his response was kinda more toxic then rita was in the entire situation, and tbh sotarks wasnt even toxic
people calling everything toxic nowadays smh
jump map veto by a guy with no circle clicking experience is basically every mapping drama in a nutshell with one or two differing variables
The mappers a fucking 6 digit themselves guess they can't rank or map 8* lmao.
and he only maps anime 😭😭😭
hi there
@@SixDigitOsu o7
@@raphael6273 he ranked a 9.99*
ppl who spell saggin normally
ppl who spell saggin backward
the "toxicity" of the mapper is quite justified when you believe that the person who vetoed has no right to become a "yes or no" button guy.
wym that dudes always been toxic lmfaooo
I didn't expect this but I disagree with Sotarks saying Rita is "very toxic". What saggin did is basically that, doesn't want to listen to discussion and thinking themselves as absolutely correct
have you seen the mods on their diff? how they responded? when you go to ritas profile, do you see they were even warned for toxic behaviour and their account is not in good standing? honestly i dont like that the map was vetoed this quickly but lowkey rita deserves it
just because one person is toxic doesn't invalidate the toxicity of whoever they interact with, sotarks doesn't say rita's toxic to saggin, he says they're toxic in general, then cites blocking log off now (someone completely uninvolved in this), idk seems off to try exonerating rita atm
I feel like whenever someone takes a position of not listening to anything and not wanting to be convinced by anyone, they deserve to be clowned on until they listen, but the intensity and limits of it should be very clear.
And I don't think the guy being toxic in the past makes his current stance wrong in this particular situation, much like you can't deny a claim just because the plaintiff is a convicted felon, there has to be enough reason and an adequate discussion
do not flip saggins name backwards. i repeat, do not flip saggins name backwards
would love next time to like message me about making these kind of videos... because this came out while we are currently working on a highlight video where this part is also included
i know i can't do anything about it, but it is what it is
also about people saying i say that rita summers is toxic, i just want to say that it's very understandable to be pissed of this terrible executed veto but it's not a reason to be (passive) agressive on most of his replies... it's not helping the case that's all
rip
Sorry for using VOD from your stream for a video without asking for permission first. Would you like me to take the video down or is it fine to leave it as it is?
@@Machii9052 no it's okay it's kinda too late, you can keep it
just in the future if you plan on doing videos like this regarding my content, reach me out before (im not against this type of things if we talk about it before)
Did we witness Sotarks youtube comeback get delayed
osu clips industrial complex
a player who doesn't play the game anymore and doesn't even have a 200pp play and doesn't map anything above 6 stars should not be judging an 8.8 star map
Who do you think should judge maps like xeroa top diff then? Or do maps above everyone's skill level get a free pass into ranked
@@daaaaaaanny he veto’ed the map when the other BN’s were ok with the map being ranked which is kinda crazy but it’s more insane due to the reasons i just listed and Xeroa top diff shouldn’t be judged by people who don’t map above 6 stars either
@@JosiahCS Well yeah, that's what a veto is. This isn't unique to this situation. And again how is it "insane" that a BN can judge a map they can't play? You don't need to be able to play a map to know when a map has problems
@@daaaaaaanny it’s insane for an entire paragraph of reasons put together and you are cherry picking one point lol
@@daaaaaaanny modding or criticizing a map is different than veto’ing btw if Saggin just gave his opinion on the map and didn’t like it that’s fine but he felt entitled to not let it be ranked which is insane, osu needs to change that system asap
Just rank it. Everyone wants to see that 2k
The fact that a player with a 200pp as a top play can decide if a map can be ranked or not is insane to me
Wait I thought this was a sotarks video from his channel lmao, not machii.
LMAOO
2:54 look like you accidentally cut the screen off when you muted the sound.
💀im sorry…
Machii my goat, thank you for the uploads 🙏
U HAVE to post mrekks reaction 🙏 🙏. I’ve been looking forward to u posting abt this since I heard abt it
he reacted? where can i find this lmao
cant find it too
@@hddt-u5m idk if he reacted I was hoping he did
@@Machii9052 dammnnnn. Unfortunate :(. Keep up the content tho ts fire
6 digit vetoes a map they cant even pass, my favorite reoccurring osu phenomenon
6 digit maps a map they cant even pass, my favorite reoccurring osu phenomenon
@@lekolyan8228 there's an important difference between creating something for other people, and removing something that was never meant for you and shouldn't be up to you
except the quality control of maps has nothing to do with your ability to play the map. by that logic all high star maps should be ranked
@@duccline lmao so should every map be ranked then?
I mean, just creating and submitting a map inherently means you're "creating something for other people."
But I guess no one can veto some dogshit 14* overmapped garbage cause no one can play it.
So is nobody qualified to veto the 12* maps that get ranked? Are they forced to go through qualified regardless of issues because nobody can play them? Such a brain-dead take
I don't really see the mapper as being toxic at all. He's completely right that he's talking to a brick wall, and that must feel pretty ass after wasting a ton of time on a map.
Damn this comment section is like the most immature thing i have seen recently.
The veto could have been done a lot better for sure but people are behaving like internet brainrot took the last of their thinking capabilities away from them.
tragic...
i SWEAR Yacine is a ROBOT.
Sotarks version of toxic is ridiculous lmao
never thought sotarks was this much of a softie.... where is rita "very toxic"!??!?! hes just saying how it is to this saggin guy.
Crying and insulting instead of actually responding is toxic
@@givikap120did you actually read the messages he sent? I’m confused how you got to this
he always was toxic lol
@@givikap120 when and where did he insult what???
@@givikap120 i hate saying things like this but if you think Rita was toxic you really are just too soft. Yes the dude was passive-agressive and shit but a dumbass veto like this would also get many others emotional
ur the goat man; fix the black screens pls tho ty
Calling summers close minded and saying they won't want to have a discussion without even attempting to have one is pretty stupid. Remember noffy's words. Also idk about concluding that they're toxic based off of one message and seemingly not reading the larger one that you've only been told is toxic.
vetoing a jump map for having jumps is fucking crazy
does anybody have the file to the map and could post it
whats a veto
Agree with sotarks, based
please what is a veetoh
VETO is basically saying nu-uh to a map getting ranked, it can happen during the qualification system while the map has found its 2 nominators.
you having a good day machii?
Yes :D
wbu
@@Machii9052 woke up a little late today so kinda tired >_
@@Machii9052 thank you for asking and nice to hear
he should be restricted for racism
not really. hes from hong kong and that means a way different thing
@yamiru3417 bro thinks username being the n word is ok because he's from hong kong??? What a weird take 😂
@@SolarFlare307 First of all, its not the n sword. Second, to sag is a verb in english. Third, there are languages that use what you would say is "the n word" on a regular basis - ie. Korean for the word "you", spanish for the colour "black", chinese pause word "uhhh".
@@SolarFlare307 its a translation thing... bro
What does veto mean?
Cooking
I love green day
can't have shit in osu!
can have autism
wait so saggin lied about not knowing that the map was really hype before vetoing?
Either he did lie, which would make sense, as its one of the most popular maps in the recent month, Or it couldve been the fact that he hasnt practically played the game since 2020.
The Veto post is sitting comfortably at 600+ dislikes XD
what is vetoing a map? found this vid on my recommended
For a map to be ranked, you need 2 nominators. If anyone has an issue, they can delay the ranking of a map by "modding" the map = what u see in the video when Saggin talks about the problems with the map in timestamps. As for what a VETO is, it's basically a nu-uh. Basically kicks the map from qualified back to pending (= needs 2 new nominators). A VETO is also used in things like the UN, for example when China doesn't want them to talk about their enslavement and torment of the Uyghurs. They can just say no and the other countries cannot talk about the issue publicly in the name of the UN.
@@saimonxdd tysm
idk what a. veto is but is it bankable??!
Miss-use of a veto is not bannable because the system of osu BN's sucks ass.
@@saimonxdd ok ty
sotarks has a face???
no he's a wax statue
All my homies hate saggin
what does that means? when a map get "veto"
it's when a bn thinks there's a problem with a qualified map and so they can disqualify it or something like that
"it’s like when you wanna go hang out with your friends and u ask for permission from literally everyone in the house alr but suddenly some random fifth cousin thrice removed move in and voice that you should read books instead and nobody can do shit bout it" - some reddit user
@@Akurii7 damn why is this allowed
shut up player mapper is talking
yo bro these people are mad toxic 😭
why is he pretending to not know who cloutiful is lol
Dont say Saggin's name backwards
i just realized 😭😭
saggin's name backwards
don't type saggin's name backwards ngl
reggin
imagine abusing the report system to ban some guy that did nothing wrong. goes to show the maturity of the osu community
He did act like a child and miss-use the veto system, but mass reporting is an issue, yeah. But if it was just a mass report, wouldn't he be already unbanned? He's in the BN afterall.
@@saimonxdd weve had cases of osu staff being dumbasses so i wouldnt put it past them. and it makes zero sense why they would ban someone from a "wrongful" veto
@Xaezy549 You've got a point, but i also wasn't just talking about a miss-use of the VETO system. We are dealing with osu staff afterall, so evwn if i think the argument is extremely dumb, it could be something as minor as his name on osu bruh.
@@saimonxdd maybe i havent really been active alot. have other people gotten banned for their names? it would make sense if it was something hateful or racist but its some dumb brainrot just saggin😭
@@Xaezy549 nah, havent seen anyone get banned for it yet, but we still have to keep in mind that we are dealing with osu aupport lol
damn, read saggin's name backwards
how can a saggin borrow a french fry
Veto is trash but if its only the top diff.. mrekk cant dt it anyway yet.
yes it's just the top diff rn
Thank god this shit got vetoed
This is the dumbest take I've seen from a BN by far. You can't make this up.
deserved report for being incompetent BN
gw pribadi kalo veto nya sendiri deserved, cuma reasoning nya doang yang kurang matang, padahal masih punya 1 minggu buat cooking. mass reporting vetoers itu dah kek bocah banget tbh. benci komen atau bikin tweet tuh gw fw in, tapi kalo dah report itu gw benci banget
attendant (rita summers) ini sebenarnya bisa ngemap bagus pake banget (bisa memuaskan player dan mapper), tapi dia ngemap bang bang itu ngemap sekedar mencari bad faith doang, gw gapaham sama pola pikir nya dia kok bisa satisfied dengan begini aja. ditambah attendant juga kalo ga salah ada sejarah kelam nya juga di osu, gw lupa apa aja
kalo sotarks sendiri bilang dia toxic, berarti kemungkinan dia emang toxic beneran. mapper nya terlalu defensif terus di enable sama nominatornya. tapi masih kaget sih dari semua bn itu yang veto malah saggin, gw expect nya itu bn sekelas fuju dada atau nanoya
dan fyi aja nih, veto itu cuma menunda ranked, jadi jangan terlalu resah sama veto. kalo udah di nuke baru tuh boleh resah karena udah saking unsalvageable nya jadi harus dirombak masal, veto kalau di upheld juga paling mentok cuma berubah 5% map nya dan buang2 waktu
sorry if i didnt use english, its easier and clearer to explain in my native language
@@zamvss The veto would be deserved if the point he made wasnt a problem in every single ranked map these days. He repeats jumps, speed mappers repeat the same circle stream 18 times in one map. The "difficulty too high" point is completely subjective and isnt veto-able. The mass reporting wasn't justified, but he deserves hate. He knew the community had no issue with the map and loved it. Personally, i dont give a shit about the opinion of a 6digit that hasnt played the game since 2020. He shouldnt be allowed to choose which maps are ranked when he doesnt play the game.
lmao all trash people blaming saggin and justifying rita’s toxicity lol, map deserved the veto. even if it’s something yall want it’s still just a fullscreen jump spam training and nothing else, even dt aim farm maps are 10 times better lmfao
Absolutely false. Repeating patterns? Look at every single speed map and you will see that the same stream is used like 18 times in one map. The map is pretty well balanced for its difficulty and length and its something the players want. Something Saggin cant understand, as he hasnt played the game since 2020 and even if he did, he wouldnt be able to pass a 8.8* difficulty 3 minute map.
@@saimonxdd well speed maps aren’t that repetitive but you’re somewhat right about it. even tho i do kinda want aim meta to comeback i still think this top diff isn’t it, maybe he should’ve made it a bit less than a 1-2 fiery fullscreen jump spam. also people should stop hating saggin for it lol, maybe veto is too much but he’s not THAT wrong about it, would be better if rita listens to it AT LEAST A BIT and actually do something for a both side’s compromise instead of being toxic. also sorry for the first comment rudeness considering your nicely put response lol
@@tej.8376as a 780k who cant even pass a 6 star this is just too funny for me im watching the world burn