Heel-up basic is really good for managing momentum switching between line move and spin moves, helps preserve the momentum and can get some super fast spins really quick.
Thank you for sharing this. a dance peer looked at me and insisted I took lessons (which I do need them) because I was doing singles while they were doing doubles. I tried to explain there are variations and styles but the insisted I was wrong. This will help settle things. LOL.
Hi had a question, have any video of John Englert and Ruth Scheim? They were the harvest ball winners for the collegiate shag in ‘37(I believe) I was thinking maybe couple #1 but I’m not positive. I’ve seen video of them on a cowboy show but not at the ball. I’d love to see that. They are my grandparents so it would be a kick. They worked for Arthur Murray and were on Ed Sullivan’s show if that’s helpful. Many thanks!
Hey Lisa. What you’re thinking about may be the film short called “Phony Boy”. It’s not on this channel but you can probably find it by searching by the title. I hope this helps! 🙂
@@TheCollegiateShagChannel hi yes I have that one but I’ve been trying to find from the harvest ball. Such a kick to see them strutting their stuff again. Thanks for the memory 🥰
I really enjoyed this, thank you so much for putting it together! I’m curious though - where does the Austin style have its origins? I had been told it was similar to the “Fordham”/New York style which I noticed wasn’t expressly mentioned here. But Fordham style would be more or less synonymous with Tom Gallagher...right? I’d love to hear your thoughts on this.
Yeah, the Texas dancers tend to take after the historical NY styles more than the historical LA styles, though I think we're all probably influenced by a little bit of both. ...But I would _not_ say Fordham is synonymous with Tom Gallagher. He was not one of the kids from Club Fordham. In fact, he was quite the opposite. Tom was Arthur Murray's right-hand man. He was a ballroom dancer who learned Shag after the fact. The real "Fordham style" is more akin to the other three couples. I need to update this video again to address the subject of "Fordham stye".
Hey! Good question. Steve and Chanzie have a unique style. But if I had to place them, I'd say they have the most in common with Connie and Barbara (Basic #5). They don't really have a lilt in their basic. Yet there is a very small amount of movement at the waist (like Connie and Barbara), which probably tells the follow what count her partner is on (like a lilt does). So it doesn't make sense to lump them in with the folks that do the whole heels up business (basic #4). And they hold a wider gait, like Connie and Barbara. The most important thing, though, is the fact that they're super smooth. Smoothness can be a relative thing, of course (i.e., a lilted basic can be smooth too, but it's a different kind of smooth). My point is, Connie and Barbara's smoothness shows in the fact that their heads don't move up and down hardly at all during the basic, which is the way Steve and Chanzie dance. They make it look effortless. …I think Sailor Mike would also be a part of this same LA tradition. Smooth. Very little bounce. It works really well to faster music.
One uses counter-body movement, is six-count, and is found in clips from NY like in this video. The other (Jig Trot) does not use counter-body, is eight-count, and is found in clips that were filmed in Southern CA. This clip here has some jig trot in it: ruclips.net/video/pwnDNrTSPC8/видео.html
Heel-up basic is really good for managing momentum switching between line move and spin moves, helps preserve the momentum and can get some super fast spins really quick.
Very accurate done, thanks
Tom Gallagher and my mom use to go to Sea Island to do exhibition dancing for Arthur and Katherine Murray.
Your review was great! Thank you for sharing what you've learned about the styles of shag.
Thank you for sharing this. a dance peer looked at me and insisted I took lessons (which I do need them) because I was doing singles while they were doing doubles. I tried to explain there are variations and styles but the insisted I was wrong. This will help settle things. LOL.
+Elizabeth Rios what do you mean when you say you were doing "singles" while your peer was doing "doubles"? Just curious. :)
that was super fun to watch and informative!
Thank you!
Great video!
Love this. Thank you
thanks for posting
Ryan, I love your video thanks for doing that. Do you know the name of the song and the dude ranch scene from 1937?
excellent; thanks
Hi had a question, have any video of John Englert and Ruth Scheim? They were the harvest ball winners for the collegiate shag in ‘37(I believe) I was thinking maybe couple #1 but I’m not positive. I’ve seen video of them on a cowboy show but not at the ball. I’d love to see that. They are my grandparents so it would be a kick. They worked for Arthur Murray and were on Ed Sullivan’s show if that’s helpful. Many thanks!
Hey Lisa. What you’re thinking about may be the film short called “Phony Boy”. It’s not on this channel but you can probably find it by searching by the title. I hope this helps! 🙂
@@TheCollegiateShagChannel hi yes I have that one but I’ve been trying to find from the harvest ball. Such a kick to see them strutting their stuff again. Thanks for the memory 🥰
I really enjoyed this, thank you so much for putting it together! I’m curious though - where does the Austin style have its origins? I had been told it was similar to the “Fordham”/New York style which I noticed wasn’t expressly mentioned here. But Fordham style would be more or less synonymous with Tom Gallagher...right? I’d love to hear your thoughts on this.
Yeah, the Texas dancers tend to take after the historical NY styles more than the historical LA styles, though I think we're all probably influenced by a little bit of both. ...But I would _not_ say Fordham is synonymous with Tom Gallagher. He was not one of the kids from Club Fordham. In fact, he was quite the opposite. Tom was Arthur Murray's right-hand man. He was a ballroom dancer who learned Shag after the fact. The real "Fordham style" is more akin to the other three couples. I need to update this video again to address the subject of "Fordham stye".
For a more in-depth look at this dance, watch the following documentary, "The Rebirth of Shag":
vimeo.com/88253085
Great video, thanks! What about Steve & Chanzie style? How would you categorize it?
Hey! Good question.
Steve and Chanzie have a unique style. But if I had to place them, I'd say they have the most in common with Connie and Barbara (Basic #5). They don't really have a lilt in their basic. Yet there is a very small amount of movement at the waist (like Connie and Barbara), which probably tells the follow what count her partner is on (like a lilt does). So it doesn't make sense to lump them in with the folks that do the whole heels up business (basic #4). And they hold a wider gait, like Connie and Barbara. The most important thing, though, is the fact that they're super smooth. Smoothness can be a relative thing, of course (i.e., a lilted basic can be smooth too, but it's a different kind of smooth). My point is, Connie and Barbara's smoothness shows in the fact that their heads don't move up and down hardly at all during the basic, which is the way Steve and Chanzie dance. They make it look effortless. …I think Sailor Mike would also be a part of this same LA tradition. Smooth. Very little bounce. It works really well to faster music.
Great! Thank you very much for such a thorough explanation. Looking forward to new videos. :)
Hi, out of curiosity.. why you assume that ‘jig kicks’ and ‘jig trot’ where not the same manoeuvre?
Why do you think I assume?
One uses counter-body movement, is six-count, and is found in clips from NY like in this video. The other (Jig Trot) does not use counter-body, is eight-count, and is found in clips that were filmed in Southern CA. This clip here has some jig trot in it: ruclips.net/video/pwnDNrTSPC8/видео.html
Hello Ryan Martin. I´m Marcelo Carte, (tango dance´s teacher) and I´m looking for tango videos antiques. Can you help me? Thanks..
If I knew of any I would definitely let you know. But I don’t know of any off the top of my head. I’m sure they exist, though.
@@TheCollegiateShagChannel Thanks you so much...
Do you consider the lift basic a lilt, or non-lilt style?
I’d say it lilts, though maybe not as much as others.