Joscho Stephan: Django vs. Yngwie Arpeggios
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The amazing Joscho Stephan demonstrates the nexus between the worlds of Django's Gypsy Jazz and Yngwie's neoclassical metal in this arpeggio example. Watch the full interview: troygrady.com/...
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Troy Grady hey great channel man. Do this with Andy Timmons!
at 0:27 notice Joscho's right hand little finger immediately damping the first string the moment he hits the down stroke on the third string. He then removes it the instant he plays the first down stroke on the first string.
This damping is barely there, if at all, on the second ( faster ) play-though and there is no damping at all on the fastest ( Yngwie style) play through.
Joscho is such a monster. I could listen to him play gypsy all day.
A jack of all trades or a master of one. I like that his answer was honest in that, even tho he knows of these other players, he didn't study or copy them, his discipline is gypsy. It's just that the technique carries over. Bluegrass players are very similar in their singular focus. They simply don't have time to learn everyone else, they're perfecting their discipline.
He seems like a great guy. Very forthcoming with info as well, which is nice :)
Glad to be of service :)
What your channel is doing is revolutionary! Keep it up!
Could not agree more!
Amazing picking and clarity in tone. Love that neck camera shot!
Guitarrist: *sweep picks*
Troy: “THAT’S YNGWIE MALMSTEEN”
Hmm sounds like you might be missing the point of Troys comment. Or maybe I’m missing the point of yours. Anyway, Troy is about as far from anything surface level as one could hope for in his analyses
@@kingkong6666 i'm joking dude
@@marinooliveira4204 Ok man, cool wasn't sure. Troy's stuff has absolutely transformed my picking so I might be a little defensive :)
@@kingkong6666 hey, mine too buddy i'm totally on troy's team
awesome editing! love the slow-mo
I've been struggling with sweep technique. Spent sleepless nights thinking how to practise, thinking how should my fingers be, thinking how should i hold the pick, thinking in what anlge my wrist should be in... or should i make an angle with my wrist and so o and so on and so on. I find these videos of yours extremely and ultimately important and helpfull. I mean EXTREMELY and ULTIMATELY important and helpfull. I found these videos yesterday. Now i perfectly well know that if Joscho can play as a lightning with holding his fingers, pick and wrist the way he keeps, then i can get there that way. And now i know how to do it and i can go forward with practising... and i can sleep :) So HUUUUUGE THANKS to you Troy!! THANKS MAN!!!!!
It can be really helpful to actually see what great players do. If I had video of Yngwie or Eric Johnson when I first started, it would have taken years off the learning curve.
This is the type of videos that guitarists crave for
Dude. Youre a genius for putting these together. Very profound information.
How Awesome You are Joscho!!!
Reminds me of Al Di Meola without the attitude...
Lol. Idon't think DiMeola uses sweeping though? He says it's for sissies, and "those notes should crackle and pop".
You're right. He thinks it's cheating.
***** I didn't know he's from Jersey. I've seen him live and he definitely had an attitude.
Al Di does use some economy picking hear and there. Not for his classic descending six's, but for other licks that involve uneven numbers of notes per string. There's a blatent example of it in his REH video that you can find on RUclips.
Rob Toñin Will check that out, thanks. I know McLaughlin uses sweeping sometimes, and I suspect also eco picking. Sweeping arps is common in jazz guitar.
Very cool. Thank you.
Really great videos Troy. Thanks to Joscho Stephan for doing this.
this guy is AWESOME!
After I watched the Yngwie vids on CTC, I fell in love with the Yngwie method.
Thanks a lot for this work on picking. It has been somewhat elusive, but this really helps to understand and improve on my technique ... thanks, thanks, thanks
What I find interesting is that most of the time techniques are made up by pure instinct, players try to compensate for speed and clarity and their brain almost automatically develop a picking pattern, I noticed that even with myself, I learned by my own ...when I was in highschool, some dudes would tell me to teach them what I was doing, but I wasn't sure at all what I was doing.
He's just using the traditional technique for playing gypsy jazz guitar, REST-STROKE picking technique inherited from the master Django Reinhartd which many performers GJ cling almost religiously, regardless of considerations of sound, dynamics, etc., is simply tradition.
Legner I know, but as I'm saying, that's one of my picking techniques, I'm aware now, but nobody taught me how to do it, my brain automatically did it all for me to compensate speed and clarity. Well, I stopped playing 3 years ago anyway.
Angelo Julioth I understand, recently I've been a little interested in gypsy jazz, but I still have not decided to adopt and study the rest-stroke picking, I fear it may affect my usual technique of picking.
I don't think your usual picking technique will vanish if you learn a new one, as long as it becomes second nature, you won't have any problems. Gypsy jazz sounds cool, I haven't heard about it.
have a listen at michael paouris
Great. And very generous. Thank you.
I unintentionally learned sweep picking from playing bluegrass. It was just the only way to play nearly fast enough and came naturally.
Ironically I still cannot do it when playing electric because electric guitars just push me to play long sustaining notes and enjoy all the saturation and harmonics.
He's right about music being connected. Now we know who inspired who.
youre excellent joscho
Thanks Troy your a great educator love your lessons!
Viele viele danke sehr gut gefällt mir so
Interesting. In his second approach to playing arps, he doesn't sweep up but does two consecutive up-picks (e- and b-string). It's clear as day in the slomo footage. I wonder why, is that for dynamics? With sweeping it tends to sound smooth and there's a little bleed between the notes, this way the notes jump out more I guess.
Also his downstroke on the high E was a surprise. He really digs in instead of using just the tip, and there's so much force behind it he hits the top of the guitar. It looks a bit like Van Halen's tremolo technique.
Double upstrokes is the Yngwie way, and it's because of downward pickslanting. Upstrokes pull away from the guitar on an angle, and do not rest against the next lower string, hence no upward sweeping in the playing of most downward pickslanters like Yngwie, Zakk, the Gypsies, et al.
***** Aha, another piece of the puzzle falls in place. Thanks!
I' d expect it'd be easier to just switch between downward and upward pickslanting though.
It's the gypsy tehnique for louder tone. If you do Yngwie style on acoustic unpluged guitar it sounds really quiet, but if you play gypsy style you are much more lauder so people can hear you. Thats the whole point of gypsy technique, the volume. It's kinda like pick version of apoyando in flamenco/fingerstyle.
Danilo Novaković Right, that's what I thought, dynamics. Indeed, in flamenco certain notes or chords are also emphasised, and the playing can be rough (buzzing), that's part of the sound.
I've also seen McLaughlin play like this live on acoustic, very physical, which was a surprise to me. He really threw his back into it, as if he was using every muscle in his upper body. Not sure if that's a gypsy influence. Huge contrast with DiMeola, who was also on stage. He plays with much less dynamics, and lets the amp do the work volumewise.
He's just using the traditional technique for playing gypsy jazz guitar, REST-STROKE picking technique inherited from the master Django Reinhartd which many performers GJ cling almost religiously, regardless of considerations of sound, dynamics, etc., is simply tradition.
Joscho rocks !! And a nice guy too !!
Super nice dude!
It's really awesome to waand hear these things, the first arpeggio LICK he played was actually the same lick but in a different key in the Hail to king solo by Synyster gates when the fast part started, it's really awesome to see that Music is connected.
Спасибо огромное!!!!🎼🎸😊💐💐💐
For the second technique, he has pulling-off to the second note of the high e string right?
Has to be
Amazing video, talent and footage!
This proves that the technique could have been used before Yngwie and guitarists did not know what to make of it except that it worked and sounded beautiful. But Yngwie popularized it because he was being watched by masses on VHS, guitar magazine and concerts.
it's definitely been used for decades before yngwie ever used it. Most guitarists aren't familiar with jazz guitar from the 30s/40s/50s so they have no idea how old these techniques are.
Joe Pass, Barney Kessel, Tal Farlow, Les Paul, Oscar Moore, Johnny Smith, Hank Garland, Charlie Christian, Lenny Breau, Jimmy Rainey, Herb Ellis, Jim Hall etc all were doing that way back in the day
Sweep picking on acoustic guitar... mind blow🤯
Big fan.....
Troy, you should interview Todd Duane - amazing player.
I like arpeggios very much so these descending arpeggios were beautiful for me. Yes, it's really important sentence that "music and technique are connected" cause 1) what if we have nice solo in our brain but we can't play it? 2) our guitarist' "toolbox" allow us to think to add more flavor to our songs, cause we know some interesting techniques.
This is so helpful!
How about interviewing Bumblefoot (Ron Thal)?
That's an awesome smartphone holder, where can i get one?
hypnotic!
когда уже наши займутся переводом этих выпусков на постоянной основе?! Такая полезная инфа!
Hi everyone. I read the comments here and I think there is a little confusion about why django did it this way.
A little anectode:
Some while ago I worked on the technique until I could play like this with strict Rest-Stroke Gypsy technique:
ruclips.net/video/izigjJhMwfs/видео.html.
I also started improvising on the chords of Jazz standards connecting arpeggios like Django did. I went back to alternate picking, sweeping and the known conventional shred stuff and forgot about the gypsy stuff. At the annual freak guitar camp (mattias eklund from sweden)2015 we played "All of me" with a swing feel. When soloing on the changes with strict alternate picking (I had worked a lot on this, till matching the Paul Gilbert lick)....well it just did not feel right. everything seemed to fall apart, particularly the rythm. Switching back to Rest stroke, felt perfect for the swing feel immidiately, although I did not use it much anymore. It seems to enforces it some, like having a "swingy metronome " build in, in the right hand.
You simply have better timing, A much better tone for acoustics and the swing feel, with a clear pivoting point being the downstroke while switching strings. Joe Pass used this method before switching to fingerstyle, George Benson does use it. This is no coincidence i believe.
Joscho also explains why he uses this technique in detail in this video: ruclips.net/video/yfiHsJR64JA/видео.html
check his version sweet Georgia brown
check my comment ....same ....Joscho does several versions of SGB some are ok some are good but the Trio version is AWESOME...
have a listen at michael paouris
Bossa Dorado is my favourite performance of his. Seen him live too :)
Esa canción es "Ojalá" de Silvio Rodríguez
Troy when will we see your Joe Stump videos? I remember you had footage of him on your old website years ago.
Hey Troy, a little off topic in terms of artist however... Does Al Di Meola use the Alternate/ Sweep picking technique you talk about in your 'Mixing Alternate and Sweep picking'? Some of the licks especially in the Friday Night in San Fransisco album are incredibly fast. Ive been attempting the early run from Race with Devil on Spanish Highway and I'm finding my playing incredibly sloppy when Alternate picking each note at a higher speed, would i benefit from a mixture of Sweep and Alternate picking or is there a way you have discovered during your research that you find can help when playing Di Meola's licks. Love the content btw, hugely interesting.
I'd love to see an episode dedicated to Bob Fripp' s crosspicking
Awesome
So clean you could eat off it!
Alternate picking for that lick feels much more natural to me, but I can't get anywhere up to that speed.
Damn Amazing!
Hey Troy Grady, did the results of the recent magnet poll sway you enough to try production? I really want one, and I don't think I'm going to become the next Ben Eller anytime soon.
nobody can be compared to the great Django, unless they can play lead with 2 fingers, like Django. Love your guitar and you do play it great
Nobody also has the same phrasing, the same creativity, the same feeling and the same genius.
You have hit the nail on the head. All these modern Gypsy players are brilliant but they all meld into one but Django is ethereal every solo is a story and every note means something he his timing and phrasing are unmatched he is a one off never to happen again
He did a reverse down backward sweep. Wow.
what the hell is that thing on the guitar neck?
im having problems whit muting the bottom strings while using downward pickslanting. do you have any tips or do you simply leave the strings unmuted?
Where I can get my hands on the phone holder that's on your guitar neck?
la sensation de rebont est importante et la pratique lente et legere avec un accent sur la mi
Where can I buy one of those phone mounts? 😍
What kind of guitars do the gypsy jazz guitarists use, what is this one with the real big odd shaped sound hole? What aboyt the other one with the tiny sound hole? Who makes these guitar and where?
Traditionally Selmer-Macaferri
Silvio Rodriguez "Ojala" opening riff.
pense lo mismo pero luego me detuve y me dije, silvio se debe haber inspirado en la musica gitana para ese riff de alguna manera el jazz monouche es anterior al el, mas bien dicho django reinhardt
Thanks I couldnt remember the name of the song or singer !
@ 1:33 I'm blow away it's possible to play that lick at that tempo. Wow!
You can do it too with enough practice. Remember that there is one pull off on the top string so that the pick is not playing a downstroke before going to the b-string.
"You can do it too with enough practice."
I don't think it's quite that simple. A fairly high percentage of people just simply don't have the fine motor control to play *anything* at that tempo cleanly, let alone a lick mixing up strokes, down strokes, and sweeps. On the positive side, the fingering looks relatively easy.
The reason I believe that you can get it is because I learned to do that lick and I was not exactly a prodegy. Practice the picking hand alone first then once you get that rolling, try adding the right hand in there. Don't get in a big rush, just work the speed up.
If you can play this lick articulately, with consistent timing, and at that tempo, I think you're not giving yourself enough credit. I believe a fair percentage of players will never achieve that level of technique, no matter how much they practice. It's truly amazing what muscle memory allows you to achieve, but we each have our personal physical limits that we can't overcome simply by practicing more. Much in the way that an elite sprinter can't outperform Usain Bolt by out training him. You may disagree, but that's okay. Perhaps you don't quite realize how awesome you really are. Rock on. :)
Bill Mason I think your not giving your self a chance. I can play this lick at this speed and so can alot of my friends. sweep picking is not difficult once you practice it.
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This Guy SHREDS like a madman like even perhaps better given its acoustic WITH NO FX than Jo Satriani or LH tapping EVH the original King, new to him check out his Trio version of the jazz standard Sweet Georgia Brown, be patient the Intro is a bit BLANDLY Ostentatious as he seems to be showing off stuff that while fast and accurate is NOT melodically NOR harmonically interesting BUT then as he warms into his Real groove
unleashes numerous Licks that are as good as Anyone on the planet
have a listen at michael paouris
Django didn't follow any strict rules on how to pick he instinctively knew what was the right way. it was gypsy guitarists who followed in his giant footsteps who laid down the rules. And remember if Django had copied other guitarists picking style you would not have heard of him
what is that red thing on the neck.. - anyone?
It's a camera so that you can see his technique.
What's the best store to buy shredders? ALDI Meola....There I said it.
Y también es similar a la intro de ojalá de Silvio Rodríguez
Is that a song with that lick?
Ojalá que las hojas no te toquen la uñeta cuando caigan.
Jajaja venía a postear lo mismo.
el lick de Joscho es Silvio Rodriguez en esteroides jaja
Jaja, Joscho nos da algo que la Revolución no permitiría ! :)
Un poco de Joscho es lo que la revolución necesita ;) jaja
0:20 ojalá!!!!
dude the page 404s where can i get this!!?
Go listen to Michael Paouris play his composition 'The smoky black bar'.I bet anything in the world Joscho doesn't have the technique to play it as well as Troy either.Paouris is the best picker on the planet Earth.Simply unattainable.
Do you have the tabs? :)
Funny this guy acknowledges Malmsteen, most shredders are still in denial
A lot of metal players (not all) need their mega distortion on to sound good whereas these acoustic players are so clear on every note as well as being versatile on the guitar
I REALLY WANT Yngwie Malmsteen ON THIS PICKING CAMERA.......!!!!!
Cool video! But actually, the "Metal shredder" way of doing these sweeps is not like that - Joscho is always crossing in between the B and G string with outside picking (up-down) while most guys (myself included) just continue the sweeping motion with a double upstroke, returning to a downstroke only on the B string afterwards.
I feel this helps a lot with overall speed and fluidity, and feels more natural to most guys. But to each his own preference ofc :)
I'm not sure why but I always had trouble repeating three string sweeps with double upstroke and double downstrokes quickly. Somehow with four or more strings I can manage lol. with three strings I have to do the yngwie way or do some swybrid like marshall harrison with down, up, up, up, middle, ring.
aside: i think swybrid on three strings is cool because you can end with a big down stroke on a bend on the top E string
The gypsy guys prefer to play any note that is accented to be played with a downstroke to give the note more force. The note on the G string is somewhat accented considered to the other notes in the lick, and so he does a downstroke to make it "pop".
I think it depends on the player. I used to be a true two way sweeper/economy picker, and I agree that GJ technique is completely different- but it's interesting that Yngwie uses the same approach given I always thought he was Mr Sweep growing up. Marty Friedman (a player I listened to a lot when growing up :-)) uses a similar technique. The main reason I moved to the GJ is tone and projection on acoustic instruments, so it's interesting & unexpected that some rock players use it.
Show us some tabs..
What model guitar is that
I think it's a manouche guitar
It's a Jürgen Volkert D-Hole (German) with D’Addario Gypsy Strings (0.11) and Big City Picks by Michel Wegen. He used to play a Hoyer, another German guitar.
Shred the world
Hang on, do you mean to say Malmsteen uses his little finger to pop extra notes!?
He picks like Marty Friedman
Thank you and thanks for the quality content as always
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at 0:27 notice Joscho's right hand little finger immediately damping the first string the moment he hits the down stroke on the third string. He then removes it the instant he plays the first down stroke on the first string.
This damping is barely there, if at all, on the second ( faster ) play-though and there is no damping at all on the fastest ( Yngwie style) play through.
Man that first way is rough, i find Yngwie's version waayyyy easier.
Whatever works for the individual,try all techniques
That fucking pick!?
You sound so much like Todd Howard.
epsdude “16x the detail”
Him and Al Dimeola could be brothers
Gambale is the master
Why is RUclips putting conspiracy theory ads in your videos?
This guy is insane. Oh well, time to take up the pan flute (sorry Zamfir).
Play it in 432hz...
wow Jack Black is a great shredet
🤣
have a listen at michael paouris
Seré el único que empezó a cantar ... ojala que las hojas no te toquen el cuerpo cuando caigas!!!
Joscho is an amazing guitar player ! Difference between Django and Malmsteen: Django is pure feeling filled with melodies
, Malmsteen is repetitive and boring...
sounds more like Al Dim than Django or Malms
no
well sure, no where as good as malmsteen or Dim
dude looks like skinny jack black for real
Diter Bohlen is the coolest guitar player!