Flight Characteristics of the North American P-51 Mustang: How to Fly the P-51 Fighter
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- This 1944 vintage World War 2 film covers all aspects of the theory & practice of P-51Mustang fighter flight operations, including takeoffs, landings, aerobatics, dive limits, and laminar wing airflow theory. Oscar nominee Lee J. Cobb plays Mustang designer "Dietz" in this detailed pilot training film. Often called the best all around piston engine fighter of World War 2, Chuck Yeager became an Ace in the '51. The Mustang's very high speed and all 'round qualities as a fighter coupled with extreme range for use as a bomber escort and interdicting fighter bomber were crucial factors when the 8th Air Force turned the tide of the Air War over Europe.
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The narration is done by the immortal character actor Arthur Kennedy, who convincingly plays the P-51 pilot in the film. He appeared in several other WW2 aircraft training movies including "How to Fly the B-17," as well as many Hollywood classics including "Lawrence of Arabia." During his career (1940s -1970s), he was nominated for five Oscars!
Has bloody brits engine. Why though?
@younggarde4797 The mustang was a good plane with the Allison but it couldn't give it all the power it needed. Because of this the performance wasn't to good. Some British guy saw it and said,"Bloody hell, that's really good it can probobaly beat our spitfires!" In ww2 british engines where superior to any country. That is a fact. more hp more reliability. Anyway they slapped a merlin in it and it outperformed literally everything and was the fastest fighter around for a while. It took 3 years to get the american high command to listen the p-51 almost never became a thing.
1:08 gotta love that 1940's humor. Thank you for preserving this piece of history.
Arthur Kennedy and Lee J Cobb without his rug. I love it!
I'm always amazed at the beauty and power of the Mustang. The Spitfire is another. The sound of the Merlin engine is unmistakable.
designed built and flown in 180 days.
damn, those good old days.
I"ll give England the nod they had the lead with aluminum, making their superchargers lighter in weight. But America redesigned the SC [dual stage] to make high altitude support the norm. God Bless those Mustang pilots for their efforts. Greatest generation ever to serve in the United States of America. Thank you for your services, Sir.
And England's greatest generation was the same as ours. My dad was in the Third Armored Spearhead, and his admiration for the average Londoner was boundless. He said when an air raid siren went off a bunch of GIs ran for cover but most Londoners went about their business.
British Merlin Engine.
As it says on my copyright notice, I copyright the digital restorations I do of these videos, not the original films. You should be glad I take the time to do this.You can watching it for free. Chill out.
Bob Hoover's shows were narrated by my boss, Bob Kelley at North American Rockwell.
My old boyfriend was a test pilot for the p-51's during the war. He talks about going out to the desert to shoot off the guns, etc. Once insisted on landing with one gear down because he refused to jump out of the plane. I have many photos of him flying.
He had a flight school at Mines field when he was in early 20's too. Then went on to ferry RAF Lend Lease Bombers to Scotland.
Oh the stories he could tell.
This series of WWII training video's is very informative, entertaining, and nostalgic. I saw one on the B-26 Invader also which was really neat. Nice uploads....
Thanks!!
As a son of Inglewood, the location of the North American Aviation plant that manufactured the P-51 (and Mitchell B-25) watching this video gives me great pride in being one of the progeny of those citizens who, in part, made victory possible. Oh, and "Mines Field," is better known today as Los Angeles International Airport (the Spanish style terminal building I believe is still there, on what is now the south side of field.
that's cool info Tim Vaughn thanks!
Yes, indeed. I am a history buff. Next life I want to ask the Almighty to come back as a History Prof.
Good heavens! That's Lee J. Cobb intoning to the military uniforms. I had no idea he knew so much about the NA P-51 Mustang way back in the day. Just watch him compute n'stuff!
wow, its amazing that in 2018 i can watch this....it almost seems like it's from another dimension.
Great production of this video considering its time, nothing short of a masterpiece!
Zeno, thanks. Of course, like everyone else..I love everything you've posted up. I just wanted to actually say thanks because I love this airplane. I got a ride in one once! They took the radio gear out of a D and put a little seat in that space.
+oldSCCAguy yah You're welcome!
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Lucky bugger
These old training films are hilarious. They're so chipper and cheerful.
Very cool watching somebody thrash a plane that, today, is generally flown like granny's Buick. It's a good reminder that they were built to fight, not display at airshows.
What really made the P-51 was that after aircraft radios shrank in size there was room for an 85-gallon tank behind the pilot, which though it made the plane unstable until the fuel within was burned off gave the airplane greatly extended range, something like seven hours plus time aloft, or approximately 1600 NM round trip, depending on conditions. The under-wing tanks were made out of stiff paper, so it was no big expense to jettison them when empty. After the plane got 6 guns, the outer guns tended to jam when pulling Gs, but an in-theater fix solved that problem. The plane's only real weakness was that its engine was water-cooled, which meant that a lack of coolant led to an engine seizure and likely a bailout. Packard went out of business in the early '50s. They had manufactured high-end automobiles in competition with Cadillac and Lincoln.
According to Google, Mines Airfield was the early name for LAX, Los Angeles International Airport, which was purchased by the City of Los Angeles in 1937. The Field was originally constructed in 1930 and was named Mines Field at that time after William Mines, the real estate developer who arranged for the purchase of agricultural land and the construction of the field to serve as the airport for Los Angeles. It is one of the busiest airports in the USA and is one of only a few airfields which have four parallel runways.
2022 I watched the whole video and it went by to fast. Very good video. 🐎
Thank you James for studying so well. You are of course, correct. Kudos.
The P-51 was designed by a team led engineer Edgar Schmued at North American Aviation in the USA in response to a British request for more P-40 fighters. North American believed they could do better. It was purpose built to be sold to the RAF, but it was not a British design. It was the Brit's idea to replace the original Allison V-1710 engine with a Merlin, which gave better high altitude performance in the P-51B & later models.
Kevin McCarthy sure got around. He taught how to fly the B-17 Flying Fortress as well. Wow, Lee J. Cobb with hair.
Lee J. Cobb is the Aircraft Engineer, you may remember him from "OUR MAN FLINT"
Bought a P-51 off of the internet unfortunately it did not come with an owners manual and good luck trying to find someone affordable to teach you how to fly one of these things. Thank goodness someone has access to these helpful instructional videos, otherwise I wouldnt know where I would be. Now I know that a bit of back pressure has to be used to keep the tail down while going down the runway for take off.
Amazing machine... You can't mistake the sound of a P-51 for anything other than what it is. Thanks for posting! This let me have some bonding time with my dad. :)
I just bought a P-51D for MSFS today, and this was all VERY helpful information. Specifically 115 on short final. Maybe I won't nose it over on my first landing. I love these old videos.
wut. Realy p51?
Jimmy Stewart was well decorated Bomber pilot and reach a very high rank..just think by the time he had finished speaking over the intercom you would have forgotten the start of the sentence.
1:50 aircraft look so cool when flying in formation
Awesome documentary! I wonder how many people who know of this video know what Mines Field is now😏
This always reminds me of my grandfather. He had all the training videos on VHS. This one was my favorite.
The Mustang was every American boy's dream. That so much fuel could fly so fast, and maneuver (mostly zoom and dive) well enough to harass Fw-190A and Me-109F . . . and rip unholy hell out of Me-110 and Ju-88 interceptors, was a combination of dreams and practical engineering. Even so, that a German might prefer an aircraft his country employed over ours is understandable and forgivable.
What I find most attractive is that the rest of us can discuss, research, and either clarify-or obfuscate-the issues in open forum; that we can engage in effective discourse, despite our varied origins and life stories. I believe this is one of the great blessings of Mankind.
Lee J Cobb! I thought I recognized him. Add 20 + years to get to the '60s and Our Man Flint.
It is Arthur Kennedy, though he and McCarthy do share a resemblance. The Company Executive explaining many of the systems is played by Lee J. Cobb, known for playing Mr. Cramden from the "In Like Flint" films with James Coburn. I'm not sure who the others are.
Wonderful. Lee J. Cobb?
wow, that captivate me to the end! Now i know how to fly a P51!!! I can return to FSX now!!
"But first, a little more dope"... Love the terms these guys used back then.. "ya see"..lol
These films are priceless!
Thanks for the upload and doing the digital restoration Zenos. Ok so all training films even ones made today can make you wriggle and squirm but its still nice to be able see a P 51 especially the easily overlooked B model.
I remember stumbling across your website back in 1998-1999. My friends and I were big Microsoft Combat Flight Sim players and I was looking for hints and tips. I still remember when your website loaded and the pilot from this video would say "watch this"...
Glad I stumbled across you again. This time it was because of another video game. War Thunder. But this time I won't lose track of you :)
I like that P51H in the background
Thanks man, I play flight simulator WW2 and have been using the P-51 mostly.
FYI our P-51 DVD includes a 130 page P-51D manual in Adobe Acrobat .pdf file format on the DVD. If you're interested in ordering one, click on "Show more" under the RUclips video description above to see the url for more info about the DVD
Very well automated engine management.
Thats what the 109 had, mechanical automated engine management called something along the lines of "Kommandogerat".
But the manual system worked better for the U.S because they flew long range missions and the pilots needed something to do.
thank you so much for posting the movie for us to watch. i hope to watch the other ones. i love you tube!
Really terrific stuff...an Absolute Classic Warbird...Example of American Aircraft Brilliants!
Great Little Film...but just about anything about the P-51 is Brilliant !
A Truly Great Machine...a Beauty !
At 24:10 "NOW WATCH THIS!" That phrase has ended more pilot lives than just about any other! Fortunately, this guy can fly. Just a bit of grim humor....
Arthur Kennedy was the pilot. Fine actor.
L J Cobb with a bald look...
I thought so! "12 Angry Men" Lee J. Cobb!
Believe you me, brother, It pays to go through every step in the technical bulletin, just like it pays to check the RUclips dialogue for answers before posting a question (Arthur Kennedy and Lee J. Cobb).
19:12 their faces during his conclusion are priceless.
Thank you so much for this. If you got any more P-51 material, please post it.
Lou -- It's Arthur Kennedy. I have spent many hours restoring WW2 training films that feature him. He did several, including How to Fly the B-17. Check his photo on IMDB. No doubt at all.
If somebody somewhere says the pilot in this film is Kevin McCarthy, they are incorrect. (Not the 1st time that has happened on the internet.) I am also very familiar with McCarthy's work, including his memorable role in "Body Snatchers." Not the same guy, although they both do have Irish heritage. :)
Definitely Arthur Kennedy
I swear the civilian bald guy reminds me of Lee J. Cobb...because he is! great video and thanks for posting.
@3:35 I spy with my little eye a B-25H with the 75mm auto-cannon!
thank you Zenos
ya gotta love the dialogue... ❤️. my guess is, these instruction videos were made by Hollywood producers in a secret studio called Lookout Mountain, near LA in CA...
Nice footage thanks.
oh the P51, imho the most beautiful and efficient prop drive aircraft ever made, the D model was the ultimate in design and combat capability
The P-51H was even better at air superiority, although it didn't have the long range of the B and D.
Cool video.
Never mind the bloody plane, that test pilot was a helluva pilot - a real stick-and-rudder guy.
I saw a "D" model there towards the beginning being towed, weird they were talking about the "B" model.
If I was them I would by a D model even tho mustang are great no matter what model
Right. It's like the film crew is 12 months behind schedule. Being that it is 1944 (if the description is accurate), the timing of that video would make the D model far more logical to talk about. The D model was less aerodynamic but NAA was not sending out a small batch to sample the changes. They were made in large numbers immediately, so it's baffling to make this B model film at the time.
"Tends to veer slightly to the right, and continue in a dive without pulling itself out for quite some time" - sound like America alright
lol.....like all these old movies, it's so corny you could almost eat it. I love it :)
They couldn't possibly believe that the wing would ever have laminar flow a week after it left the factory. The reason it still worked well was simply because it was pretty thin by contemporary standards.
Amazing voice ❤
Never knew L. J. Cobb was follically challenged !!
This video tickles my jiggly bits, i have to buy a p-51 now!
Very interesting , thank you for posting .
If you mean the "bald guy," that's Oscar nominee Lee J Cobb ("On the Waterfront.") Cobb was one of those actors who was born looking older than his years, probably because he was prematurely bald. He was about 33 when this film was shot. He is widely considered one of the finest actors of his generation.
I had dinner in Lajolla sitting at a table next to LJ Cobb several years ago, he had a very busty dinner companion; he acted like people were watching the famous actor, giving polite nods and waves, but they were really watching his date.
Besides my helos which I'm well accustomed to, would of loved to fly these old war birds, which in my opinion have class all there own !
The "D" model was not quite as universally loved by the pilots as the "B" was for flight characteristics (although they absolutely loved the better view in the "D"). Pireps indicated that it was harder to keep in trim and that the first warning sign of a high speed stall was a violent snap roll into a spin. The latter is what I wanted to see in this film but he only flew the "B" which did give a warning and he didn't do the actual high speed stall. Still a wonderful film, though. Thanks for posting.
I meant he "only flew the "B". Note to self: Proofread!
@@Rikki0 Did you see the sneak preview of the D at 2:20?
Great warbird!
Man that was fun! Thanks alot for the post!
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awesome, thanks for sharing
Fascinating!
I agree with you on that. There's always two sides to an argument.
Brilliant, thanks for posting this!!
the spitfire had a higher Mach no. it's wing was relatively thinner, though not laminar flow. it had less induced drag and was stronger. the wooden wing tip would break of first rather than spar failure.the spar itself was a series of telescoped interleaving box sections, reducing in thickness gauge towards the tips. the nose of the aerofoil was a strong D- section torsion box built to very fine tolerances. a dent or rough paint would reduce speed significantly. a high polish would increase speed by 7knots at high speed. the elliptical planform distributed loads evenly along the span. the wing was, almost by luck, the best wing for 10 years from it's conception, and the way it was filleted and blended into the lower fuselage was masterfully done...look at the undersurface at the centre section. compound curvature all the way round and long strake- like fillets . washout reduced stalling to 80 knots with full aileron control. it was hard to make and and repair though. was it better than the mustang wing ? just a bit I'd say.
Fred Eagle The Spitfire may have had less induced drag but it had way more parasitic drag. Couldn't accelerate at high speeds or retain its speed above top level flight speed very well. The Spitfire also had more control surface lockup at higher speeds. The P-51 was the better "boom and zoom"/hit and run fighter, which is the superior form of fighting to maneuvering turn fights.
Looking at the description above, I think that Arthur Kennedy is playing Bob. He played the avatar of Arthur Godfrey in Lawrence of Arabia.
I flew in one a P-51 in 1969. Hamilton Ohio piloted by Joe Hogan. He charged me $300.00 for a 40 minute ride That was 3 paychecks for me at the time. At the end of the flight, I felt I owed him another hundred. And no I did not get sick. But I was wobbly when I stepped to the ground.They don't make people like these WW II vets any more..To give a young 19 yr. old a once in a life time ride will never be forgotten by this author.
Gold thanks! !!!
I knew about Taylor & Stewart was just wondering if there was more I was'nt aware about, I'm also aware of Gable & Meredith being gunners, sure there's many more who served & not mentioned !
Great video, but I would like to see the flight characteristics of the P-51D. It is know that the razorback fuselage caused a loss of stability in the yaw axis, having quite an impact on the the stall and spin charateristics and also make the plane quite "twitchy"
André Alves You have it backwards. The razorback was what the B had. It was more stable than the bubble canopy D.
ThunderAppeal, if you search for the words 51 manual with eMule appropriately connected (ED2K/Kademlia network) you should be able to get (among a few others) the file "North American P-51 Mustang Pilot Training Manual.pdf", 46,5 MB. It is AAF MANUAL 51-127-5 formerly RESTRICTED, cover + 105 pages.
Wow i really enjoyed the video. Wish i could fly the Mustang! However i will stick to RC Mustangs.
The P51 was never ordered by the British. North American was approached by the RAE to license build P40s. NA in response said that they could build a new fighter in the time it would take to tool up to build the P40.
At the end of that 180 days, the finished fighter had no engine (Alison considered NA a lo priority for engines) and sat on AT6 wheels.
I came here looking for some help with a game I play, War Thunder. It turns out the developer, Gaijin entertainment, modeled the damn Mustang perfectly. It performs exactly as it is described as in this training film. However it is markedly easier to throw the plane into an unrecoverable spin during intense evasive maneuvers than described in this film.
The P-51 is a brick in WT
+Gunsight416 the P-51-D-5 sucks but the P-51-D-30 is wonderful
+yolo269 no it's not. P-51D in WT is modelled incredibly inaccurately. Only someone who knows nothing about the mustang would say that gaijin modelled it correctly.
+IAB98Raptor it still seems like a good fighter plane in game. Can't say if they modeled it incorrectly or not so I'll take your word
I don't know if the Mustang could out turn 109s. I know the 109K4 flies loops around mustangs below 20,000. Above that I'de say the mustang has an advantage. I'm not really sure TBH.
I don’t know if this will help me with DCS. But it can’t hurt.
Muy interesante el video y que decir del avion : Gloria de la aviacion militar durante la segunda guerra mundial.
Great upload!...thx...not complaining; can you get P-40 Warhawk?...you can get creditable air hours on pretty cool mission profiles on computer....but this is significant stuff, too.
Was that really Bob Chilton? Legend. In 1980 I saw him do things with a power off aerocommander at low altitude that had to be seen to be believed.
pistonar You're thinking of Bob Hoover.
Ah. Yes, you're correct. Thanks.
A, B and C models, a lot of docos seem to portray the Mustang as being an immediate success in the form of the D and later.
I think that's because the D & the K had all that extra speed. Top speed is the easy stat for people to understand, though of course it's hardly the only stat that matters.
If memory serves, the C was actually a bit faster than the D. The bubble top wasn’t as aerodynamic as the extended greenhouse on the C, but better all around vision was worth it.
@@ZenosWarbirds I think there were many times as many D models produced as well. Besides, it looks really cool! I'm not old enough to know, but I bet the D model with the bubble canopy and all the other Mustang advancements might have looked like the future to people of that generation, and more intimidating to the enemy. Just a guess, I know, mostly based on how beautiful I think the D model is. I'm biased. 🙂 I think it's the most elegant-looking machine with a propeller. I'll never fly one, so looks are all I have.
I think Bob was actor Arthur Kennedy
Yeah sure sounds and looks like him.
20:20 we are diving and so are the clouds and horizon.
I thought that the P-51B's high blower shift point was at 17,000ft, not the 20,000ft mentioned here. Am I wrong on that?
it varies. your not wrong
true
Actually, the actor was Kevin McCarthy of Invasion of the Body Snatchers of 1956. He had a long and successful career in Hollywood. Refer to IMDB.
Thank you for your 'Reply' I agree with all you say about this great Aircraft , My Son who lives in the States actually built his own took him Four Years and I have been up in it several times when I get the chance to go visit. love it !!!, Just being a 'BRIT ' about RR ,
Hello bob! how bout trying the guns on landing tower =P
what a jackass LOL
Mines tower. Mines field which is now Los Angeles international airport.
yeah
The Steely Brawn of an American, with the Furious Heart of a Brit.
Interesting that they focus on the P-51B when they show a D model in the first few minutes.
hoilst I saw that too (at 2:21). Clearly a bubble top, but didn't have the tail fillet yet, so maybe just experimenting with the canopy at that time.
Ah. Only the Ds got the fillet?
Also, it's called a fillet? Cool!
Steve Heeb Ah. Judging from what the Wiki says, I'm surmising it's Mustang 43-12102 - a B model that was the prototype for the bubble.