How to Fly the P-47 - Ground Handling, Take-Off, Normal Flight, Landing (1943)
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How to Fly the P-47: Ground Handling, Take-Off, Normal Flight, Landing
War Department. Army Air Forces. (06/20/1941 - 09/26/1947)
ARC Identifier 2771 / Local Identifier 18-AF-107B. Demonstrates procedures in flying the P-47. Includes preflight and cockpit checks, warm-up, taxiing, cruising, banking, stalling, speeds for approaches, turns, and landings. Also shows how to conduct postflight checks.
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I live in Millville NJ that was the first Army Air Field. The P-47 was the plane that they trained with. Our towns football team is named Thunderbolts in honor of this plane. There is a small museum at the airport dedicated to the time when it was used as a training base.
Having a dude with a fire extinguisher watching my every move as I warmed the plane up would definitely fill me with confidence.
We do that now, no engine start is done without a fire guard
This was such a brave generation. They set the groundwork for decades of peace and prosperity for their Children and Grandchildren. They will never be forgotten. My grandfather flew B17’s and was shot down over Germany. Survived by bailing out and as he floated slowly to the German fields below a Messerschmitt pilot turned and headed straight towards him. My grandfather knew this was the end and he’d be shot right out of the air. The plane got within only 20-30 yards of my grandfather, smiled and waved. After hitting the ground on German soil he was captured and sent to a German POW Camp Stalag Luft III, where he was imprisoned for several years before being forced to march to Berlin near the end. He and his fellow soldiers were liberated by General Patton. My grandfather NEVER spoke of the war. However we convinced him to write his memoirs before he passed away. His story is nothing short of amazing.
A most valuable piece of military aviation history.
My dad was a Thunderbolt crew chief during the war. Thanks for bringing good memories up.
My dad was a crew chief as well on the P-47 Thunderbolt, 8th army air force stationed in England..
My God, what a time to be alive!
Wasn’t it!
I completely agree.
Watching this on 1 January 2021. Remembering my father who flew P-47 in WWII. He brought down a couple of German 262's, caught some flack, bailed out and was POW for a few months. Likely he watched this film while training.
Remembering my dad too, he flew B-17s from Great Ashfield, in England, with Van's Valiants, then transferred to P-47s at Boxted, with Zemke's Wolfpack. Hub witnessed him being blown out of his plane over Germany and reported that "no one could have survived." He did survive, with a broken back and horrific burns. Spent the duration of the war at Stalag Luft III, and sruvived the death march to Moosburg in January of 1945.
@@clairepiper3987 Quite an amazing story! Thanks for sharing this. Your father was a very brave soul.
@@tomguyone So incredibly brave, all these men and women were. He was also very modest and somewhat reserved, never spoke much about his experiences. I would give anything to time travel and be able to talk to him now.
Doubt he shot down any ME262s
@@Derek-b8q Officially credited with one 262 `kill`. Second was deemed likely but crash was not witnessed. You are entitled to your doubts, but should probably keep them to yourself.
Ground loop at 11:10. Awesome. These old videos are great!
My father flew the P-47 in the european theater. He was "The Mole", I love this film because I live where it was made and my father retired from this base. I really love the P-47, father was shot down and lived to tell about it. Nothing like a JUG!!!
Almost all P-47 pilots were shot up or shot down at some point. Even the great US ace Robert Johnston who during his very first combat mission in a P-47 razorback was flying tailend charlie when he was bounced by Fw-190's. They just about shot him to pieces. And with an engine fire and a jammed canopy, Johnston thought he was a goner. But after diving to put out the fire he realized he still had some control over the huge fighter. But just as he was turning for home, Johnston was intercepted by Luftwaffe ace Egon Meyer. Who at that time had just over 50 kills flying his yellow nose 190. After pulling alongside Johnstons battered jug he shook his head in disbelief. Unfortunately he had no intention of letting Johnston escape, and after pulling in behind him, Meyer opened up all 4 20mm cannon plus two heavy machine guns. Using his rudder to rake the P-47 from wingtip to wingtip, all Johnston could do was hunker down in his armoured seat and prayed the jug would hold up. But the designers at Republic had done their job well. And after expending all his ammo on Johnstons fighter he pulled alongside the P-47 for a second time, waggled his wings in salute then peeled away. Despite having oil and blood pouring down his face and burning his eyes, Johnston managed to nurse the battered jug back to England to the amazement of his squadron who thought he was dead. After counting the bullet holes in his jug when he got to 100 without even looking over the whole aircraft he simply gave up. Johnston would go on to fly the P-47D and rack up over 25 kills over the skies of Europe.
@@alteredbeast67 Awesome story. Thanks for sharing it.
Dick Tracy reference?
@@alteredbeast67 Thanks for the story!
A high nose increases the angle of attack ( the angle between the relative wind and the. chord of the wing) and allows a heavy airplane to take off in a shorter distance. Conversely large wing flaps allow heavy aircraft to land in a shorter distance at a lower speed. A combination of high angle of attack and full flaps down allows an aircraft to take off in the shortest distance possible under various conditions.
I love how this video is so local to me! Pine Castle Air Field later became McCoy AFB which later became Orlando International Airport!!! Just to think how empty it was back then, my job is right by the airport and it's nothing but warehouses everywhere!!! I'm in flight school at Kissimmee right now and so many of these procedures haven't changed one bit;)
Boy I could tell that was Central Florida wx even through that old black and white film!
"Keep your Eye on the ball....how many is looking for the ball ?" Okay, he caught me.... nice carriage is a nice carriage..even 1943 .
I always wondered how you would taxi one of these .... and now i know these are awesome thanks for uploading
another method used for taxiing was to have a member of the ground crew prone on the wing just over the wheel and he gave instructions to the pilot
Holy crap. I had to watch the first part twice. I couldn't stop looking at the woman. Didn't hear anything the guy said about the plane.
Definitely!
What plane? o_O
Son, as far as we know it could be our grea great grandma 0.o
Believe it or not, having chicks inserted into the training presentations was a very popular technique used to heighten interest and attention in the not so distant past.
Wow, talk about a different age. A really well made instructional film, crafted with care. I can't imagine how they got those take-off shots. A great supplement to the RUclips series on the P47 by Gregg's Planes and Automobiles.
My father flew a P47 from England before the invasion and from France until rotating home in June of 1945. My favorite logbook entry is from June 6, 1944. "Beach Patrol (Invasion of FR.)"
September 24, 2019, and I am always in love with the plane.......
P-47 is a beautiful plane, for sure. My favorite of all the prop-driven WW2 fighters. Better plane than the P-51 even, except for range.
gotta love the dude standing there with the fire extinguisher hahahaha. good ole radials!
@barkon Since this was wartime, the recruits viewing this film might have been of varying quality, some with relatively little training before being put in fighters. So why not reinforce the basics every chance you get? And the cockpit checklist was actually relatively new then. It had first been instituted in the mid-1930s after the fatal crash of the B-17 prototype, which had taken off with its control gust lock engaged.
in the war instead of S turns on the ground the crew chief would sit on the wing and guide the planes. the pilot would watch the chief.
Wow. That's a lot more complicated than my Jane's WWII Combat Flight Simulator.....
Ya it is
Interesting technique for stopping after a engine failure on takeoff.
Still used today on tail wheels if you are going to the run up area etc. Part of my training in Flight school we had to do it.
Is it weird I watch this to get better at flying a P-47 in DCS??
This video is perfect for DCS World. I also fly the P-47, a beautiful machine. I'm waiting for a new Mustang, preferably in the B/C version. Model D is getting old.
Verständliche und auch erfreuliche Erziehungsfilm! Die US-amerikanischen Flieger waren echt glücklich, dass sie durch solch einen ausgezeichneten Film trainiert wurden.
cool, so this is a real training vid that was actually used for the Jug?
I had a friend who flew one, he shot down a ME-262 . the plane had a camera so he had a few photos of the 262 as the wingtip came off.
His name was wally groce. a real nice guy,very precise person.he might be in some of the records. he said when the plane came out everyone was afraid to fly it. many thought it was a death trap. he said the secret was to fly it wide open. it was very powerful and needed airspeed. he said he flew it a lot and got to love it. he was flying with his buddy and saw his friend strafe a german train, the force of 8 -50 cal guns blasting the train knocked it off its tracks, he said that 8 - guns firing would slow the plane down. an amazing plane, i heard too that the engine would run with a cylinder shot off. anyone know if that really happened ??
a cylinder shot off? That's just plain stupid. What are you runnin' your mouth about?
@@stratoleft No, it's not. Air cooled engine can survive that. Liquid cooled, you're going down.
I'm not certain if "shot off" would be technically correct, but if a cylinder or 2 on a P&W Double Wasp becomes inoperable, chances are it'll still run. After all, they've got 18 of those huge cylinders... there were, and are, big, strong, robust engines and many are still running today. My dad (R.I.P. 1931-2020) said they needed a good deal of maintenance- there were 2 of them in the A-26 Invader he flew in Korea- and that they were 'louder than sh*t'. An iconic engine that powered some of the greatest and most legendary planes of all time.
The stirring orchestral music like a proper feature film, its weird how jolly these films are.
Great video!
Interesting video...looks like its really complicated to fly one of these aircrafts
The comparison of taking off to golf was unusual, yet it fits.
Magic_Zach pp
She has a nice swing!
Thanks for posting.
Fantastic... an absolute treasure!
02roadster
"you're sssing all the time on the ground".
I think I'd be sssing in the air too. 🤣
Amazing , thanks for this post !
@colindhowell Ah, Good points! I'm looking at it through the lens of modern aviation. A pre- and post-flight were so second nature when I was in. I will bet that procedures exist in USCG aviation that weren't there when I was aircrew and now seem like they should have always been there.
Pinecastle Field? That's the Orlando International Airport today!
I love this plane.
If you could build a runway around the equator, republic could build you a plane that would use every foot of it.
This P-47 featured 42-8283 crashes in Orlando pilot was Neill A. Bollum the plane was destroyed
Cool airplane but couldn't turn with a BF109 or a FW190. Sometimes escort missions got fowled up. They did their best to organize but war is chaotic
My uncle Lt. John Temple was bombardier on "Wheel n Deal" in the 322th Squadron of the 91st bomb group. The mission of Dec 1st, 1943 was supposed to have overlapping P-47 fighter escort with the first squadron leaving as the other arrived. The first squadron left the bombers at 11:40 and the other didn't arrive until 12:00. In that twenty minutes 5 B-17s were shot down by FW190's, including Wheel n Deal. Actually Wheel an Deal was shot up badly by the fighters, batteries shot out putting the top and ball turrets out of commission tail gunner killed, a 20mm round hit the number 3 engine but evidently it kept running because the stayed in the formation and made to the IP turn.
There they were hit but flak. One burst took out more of the electrics and another 88mm anti-aircraft round went up behind the pilot's seat, out the top of the airplane exploding well above them. The could no longer hold formation and once outside the group the FW190's were back and all they could fight back with were the waist guns. They tried to jettison the bomb load to lighten the ship but the electrics were out so my uncle and a gunner crawled down into the bombay and the gunner, a Sgt Baker disconnected his oxygen hose, climbed down and kicked the doors open enough for my uncle to manually drop the bombs out. As this was happening a couple of more fight passes knocked out the number 2 engine and set number 4 on fire. And oh by the way, they noticed there was a hole in the right wing big "large you could drop a horse through it". Yet the plane was still flying!! The bail out order was given and everyone got out except for the tail gunner, Sgt. Roller. Wheel n Deal kept flying in a shallow decent with the autopilot still engaged and landed intact in the Rhine river. Really, the Germans pulled it out of the river in one piece. They buried Sgt Roller near where the pulled him out of the plane. All the rest were quickly captured and spent the next 18 months in various prison camps.
+Carbon Crank If what you say is true, how did Gabby become the highest allied ace and Bob Johnson the second highest allied ace all in the Jug? The Thunderbolt had a roll rate and power, not to mention the guns, to out fly anything the Germans could fly, even the jets. Don't believe the myths...
What I said? About it not turning as well as an ME109? You ignore the rest of my story and concentrate on that. The Thunderbolt was rugged. It could take more of a pounding than any other fighter I can think of. It was the only plane of the war to have enough mass to be able to fire 8 50cal machine guns together without the recoil without severely slowing the airplane. It had a powerful engine but it was a huge airplane. It was not faster than an ME-109 or an FW190 and it would only turn with them at very high altitudes. They didn't climb well, turn well under 30 thousand, and were gas guzzlers with lousy range, a fact that had a role in my uncle getting shot down. The Mustang was was all the things the not.
Mustangs shot down far more geman planes with far fewer losses than the Thunderbolt and did it all in 13 months whereas the Thunderbolt was there the Entire war. There are 2 German pilots that shot down over 300 aircraft, 13 shot down over 200, almost 100 more shot down over a hundred. stateside it had over 3 times the accident rate (per 100000 hours flown) than the Mustang. The P-47 was significantly more expensive than the mustang.
More P-47s were shot down in air to air combat that any other US fighter aircraft type.
and AGAIN the Mustang had twice the range, a critically important factor in both bomber support and deep penetration air to ground attracts. Twice the range literally meant it could spend twice the time in Germany a Thunderbolt could. the Thunderbolt lack of range was a major factor in the Schweinfurt raids disasters of 1943 that cost 120 B-17s and they screwed up the timing of the hand off of coverage leaving the same kind of 15 minute gap that got my uncle shot down 2 months later. The mustangs could have flown those missions all the way and back probably shot up ground targets while they were at it.
+Carbon Crank You have your mind made up and nothing I can say will change it, that is obvious. Believe what you want...
bobford01
Hope you don't mind me pointing out you don't argue my facts. I never said it wasn't a great airplane.
My mind can is ALWAYS open to persuasion. I try very hard not for my opinions about not be beliefs. Beliefs don't need evidence. I believe in an evidence based world. I try to do my homework and hope who I'm taking to has done theirs. I'm always one keyboard entry away from Google search. I fact check myself relentlessly. I don't have the fastest mind but it's relentless determined and methodical don't get enough sleep.
+Carbon Crank
The Thunderbolts were shot down more because they flew more sorties then any other plane.
Sorties flown per combat loss:
P-47..... 138
P-51...... 85
P-38...... 74
Man, isn't that an error @ 18:24 when he says to "Yaw" the airplane... as we proceed to watch the airplane roll back and forth? Yaw is rudder, not aileron.
"When you're clear of the runway,try a loop and see what she'll do".
What ball?
turn coordinator
Forget about a scroll checklist, a port wing checklist is much better!
I do find it funny that the film covers some basic aviation things. I mean, wouldn't doing a pre-flight be second-nature once you've transitioned out of basic flight training?
And man, with the proximity to the prop on startup, it looks damned scary to be a crew chief on a P-47
Well this was 1943. Lots of lessons learned in blood make the modern aviation culture.
There are statements of P 47,on duty of research about newradio equipment,that were able to climb as high as 49000 feet
I highly doubt it, at least not during ww2. Not until after the war in 1951 did a Spitfire 22 reach a record altitude of 50,000 feet. And while diving also set a record of over 600mph. Admittedly it was a griffon powered engine stripped out and made light as possible. But not even the P-47 M/N could match those numbers......
@@alteredbeast67 Turbocharger versus supercharger. P-47 had a turbocharger. Spitfire didn't. The higher you go the more power a supercharger steals. No such issue with a turbo. November 13, 1942. Lt. Comstock of the 63rd FS, 56FG.
He locked the controls but not his gyro instruments..? Cut the generator but forgot main battery supply.
Lol.. That is a monster primer... 2000 hp makes the PA28 look like a child's toy.
Waiting for all the IL2 pilots to come on here to see how the P-47 is flown...
Reporting for duty!
Here for DCS World and IL2!
well done !
Them legs though...
Is cowl flap a reference to her skirt? in the golf portion of this video lol.
hehe
At 18:25 he says yaw the airplane, shouldn't it be roll??
I was thinking that too
Elevator controls Pitch, Ailerons control Roll and Rudder controls Yaw. Despite the behavior of the plane, I think they do mean Yaw because, At Speed, "kicking" the Rudder will execute a bit of a turn action by dropping a wing, even and especially if the yoke is neutral. A planei s most effectively flown using Rudder and compensating with the yoke (For instance, a left turn is left Rudder THEN left Stick with slight back pressure to trim the elevator slightly up - this will help maintain altitude while the wings are generating less lift during banking). Interestingly, after setting the bank, you don't hold the turn with the stick but you still apply back pressure. The turn is held with Rudder. Stopping a banking turn is initiated with opposite Rudder, then the Stick...
The point here is that Rudder plays a big role. I watched the segment 3 times, saw very slight Aileron movement and saw enough Rudder movement to rock the wings like that.
So yes, they did intend to say "Yaw" and the airplanes behavior DOES show some side to side movememt but the wing rocking is expected and desired, no aileron necessary.
yaw is correct. trying to get a side load on the main gear to get it into position
Some aircraft don't respond well to roll control at landing speed. The rudder has the intended roll effect at low speeds
Yawing the airplane will be much more effective in helping the LG down, than rolling.
Was the high nose of the plane the reason for the constant turns on the ground?
Very few of the WW2 fighters had a view over the nose so the need for s turns on the ground was the only way to see ahead. So yes you are right.
had the corsair the necessity to do that too?
I think the corsair has the same problem, they share the same engine and also has an even bigger four-blade propeller that must be very raised from the ground to easily land on the aircraft carrier
I believe the high nose was also to prevent the prop from hitting the runway
Basically all aircrafts with a tailwheel has that problem due to the angle of the aircraft
Can you imagine being the enemy hearing about half a done of those things approaching!?
How much did those planes cost back in the day?
I think about 85,000, but im not sure.
There’s something about the Thunderbolt, it just looks like it wants to go to the moon.
Is the pilot still alive?
Yaw requires only rudder input. Roll requires both rudder and aileron input
Yes thats right. And the main reason was pilots used this yaw technique to sideslip through the air. Just incase the were jumped from behind by enemy fighter. Flying with a little rudder/yaw input means you arent flying straight and level. Therefore throwing off the attacking enemies aim/fire. Any ww2/pilot will tell you, never ever fly straight and level in a combat zone....
not true, you can roll with just aileron's and you need elevator to keep the plane the plane in level fight. hell you can roll it with just the rudder on some aircraft. but what ever
Let’s get some ! Goose 1944
Aaaah, the radio calls are killing me...
But this makes me almost want to take up golf, too!
Appears flying a Thunderbolt was a challenging, complicated activity. So many ways to accidentally kill yourself.
Good old Jug.
Pat says he kmows all about this. Go to reseda and look for a naked homeless guy on a bike
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11:07 DEJA VU
Many of these guys would have to transition to P-51s or P-38s soon after they got overseas.
telling the pilots to groundloop if they have an engine failure?? Unbelievable! I don't think that maneuver is FAA approved lol!
I was definatly not watching the ball.
my goodness they were so skinny back then. i guess anorexia was a big thing back then.
Those 47s were big and ugly, but so aerodynamic...
Awesome videos, but it sure looks like the stalls aren't real. Might just be the video quality/age, but it looks more like whoops than bona-fide stalls.
Fly a P-47? Take off from a mountain and dive dive dive!
Sounds like aces high, lay out! 🤔🤔🤔
I'm not sure if I would want to be there, while I love it I'm a coward when it comes to flying.
1:32 у нас после такого режиссера-постановщика госпропаганды отправили бы в Колыму