Fog Of War Sudoku With Circles (!)

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  • @raynmanshorts9275
    @raynmanshorts9275 Год назад +34

    "Or it could be... that I haven't obeyed all the circle rules..."
    That realization. Chef's kiss.

  • @rentalcustard
    @rentalcustard Год назад +14

    This one fit my brain perfectly! 19:11 for me. I don't think I've ever been so fast in comparison to Simon, who routinely clears through puzzles that utterly defeat me. A flash in the pan, but one that I'll enjoy today. Really lovely stuff, Celery!

  • @blcmd
    @blcmd Год назад +29

    37:15. I’m usually at least double the video length, so just over 1/2 is unusually fast for me. Simon spent much longer figuring out the red circles, making the logic more complex than it needed to be (which is classic Simon!). I loved the puzzle. These fog-of-war puzzles are an absolute joy!

  • @erikbreathes
    @erikbreathes Год назад +86

    the easy way to get the first two sixes after coloring the whole grid yellow is to just count that there are only six rows that could contain the red circles

    • @bellairenative19
      @bellairenative19 Год назад +6

      I went by boxes, after 3 and 9 got ruled out, I looked at box 1 and if it had a circled digit it ruled out box 2 leaving 6 and if it didn’t then box 1 was ruled out leaving 6 as well

    • @DerAlex86
      @DerAlex86 5 месяцев назад

      You are expecting Simon to do Sudoku? In a Sudoku? Are you serious?

  • @craigyoung8008
    @craigyoung8008 Год назад +1

    Kudos to Simon for trying to break his habit of avoiding sudoku in sudoku puzzles. But at this point 31:53 it led to a 20 minute delay in making progress.
    It’s already possible to determine the maximum number of possible corresponding red circles for r1c3 is: r6c5, r7c6, and r8c7 totalling 4. And since 1,2, and 3 are all ruled out from r2c4, those circles must all be 4s.
    But by using sudoku to place 3 at r6c6, Simon revealed 2 more of the “4 circles”.
    And although r6c5 is now a more logical starting point, it creates the flawed impression it is either 4 or 5.
    That’s the nature of sudoku: you can only ever solve a grid in the order you notice things and populate it.

  • @davidrattner9
    @davidrattner9 Год назад +5

    Constantly cherish your love and enthusiasm Simon for when you solve fog puzzles. When you place a correct digit and the fog clears, the joy you get from it is wonderful! 🙂

  • @sirenier
    @sirenier Год назад +53

    the colouring not being removed was honestly painful to watch.. especially that green

    • @tamaspolyak5564
      @tamaspolyak5564 Год назад +3

      Simon does that to my OCD. Not following through with a digit or pointing pair in the affected row, column or box can do my head in sometimes. I'm enjoying the most the puzzles I absolutely have no clue how to solve. Luckily it's most of them, so it doesn't affect my watching his solves that much after all. :D

    • @sirenier
      @sirenier Год назад +2

      @tamaspolyak5564 yeah im usually ok, i just get so confused when used information isnt cleared thats why i have to have conflict checker on

  • @Idunnowhyido32
    @Idunnowhyido32 Год назад +30

    At 53:46 you could’ve deduced r1c3 was yellow much easier. Since all red circles need a digit surrounding it, r2c4 (diagonal to circle) must be the same digit. Now if you look at the 6 arrow going into box 5, you can see that if those were not the same digit then the arrow would be impossible to fill (both 4 and 5 will be taken away)

    • @GTI-Eddy
      @GTI-Eddy Год назад

      I noticed this straight away too, also went on to neglect r2c4 for a while later on too when thinking about colouring the 4s and 5s.

    • @elLooto
      @elLooto Год назад +4

      That was todays episode of "Simon does it the hard way" for sure.

    • @ibdoomed
      @ibdoomed Год назад

      Spinning his heels on this for so long is what makes me thing Simon has lost his touch and it's time to retire.

  • @HunterJE
    @HunterJE Год назад +49

    A slightly quicker way to the break-in-as early as 17:03 the non-yellow cells occupy only six rows, which rules 7 out of the starting circles...

    • @IanKayGee
      @IanKayGee Год назад +6

      Also the only options for boxes 1 and 2 are both in row 3.

    • @mfl1341
      @mfl1341 Год назад +1

      agreed. and perhaps the even faster break in is acknowledging that if the answer isn't 6, you will never be able to come to a conclusion.

    • @chris5619
      @chris5619 Год назад +10

      @@mfl1341 As soon as I pencil-marked the 6789s, I knew we'd be working our way down to 6s, but it's still nice to find the logic and determine it correctly. To prove the puzzle is solvable.

    • @artursruseckis4242
      @artursruseckis4242 Год назад

      wow, that's even more elegant than noticing shared row 3. Nice.

  • @ildusiks
    @ildusiks Год назад +1

    - solve faster than Simon
    - watch video in pompous mood
    - see how many times I was lucky, because missed some possibilities
    - give back to Simon the best sudoku solver Crown👑

  • @thaynepeterson7896
    @thaynepeterson7896 Год назад +2

    I bow to your genius, Simon, and great video as always. But you trigger my latent OCD - I spent half the video yelling "get rid of the green, it is doing nothing but cluttering up the puzzle." But when I do a puzzle that requires coloring, I clear the colors as soon as I can.

  • @EmonEconomist
    @EmonEconomist 10 месяцев назад +1

    Finished in 28:27. That was fun! Very approachable without any guessing required, but tricky enough that it felt very satisfying to finish.

  • @biaberg3448
    @biaberg3448 Год назад +31

    Simon is teaching me new English words, today; amalgam. And not as a filling, but as a mix of old and new. Interesting.

    • @studgerbil9081
      @studgerbil9081 Год назад +2

      We must be the only people who use "bobbins!" on a regular basis, especially in the 'States.

    • @zelassin
      @zelassin Год назад +1

      Watch his cryptic crossword videos, pretty much half the words i hear there are brand new to me...

    • @biaberg3448
      @biaberg3448 Год назад +1

      @@zelassin I do, even most of it is gibberish to me, but since it’s Simon, I’ll enjoy watching anyhow 😊
      By the way, English is not my first language. Obviously.

    • @altreusplays
      @altreusplays Год назад +3

      Amalgam just generally means a mixture or blend - of anything!

    • @ahouyearno
      @ahouyearno Год назад

      @@zelassin yeah the cryptic crosswords aren't in English. Whatever the clues and the solutions are, it's an entirely different language.

  • @psuedo_levi
    @psuedo_levi Год назад +40

    The way Simon doesn't delete the useless green shading is killing me 😭

  • @HunterJE
    @HunterJE Год назад +32

    48:25 A quick way to see the "5 in r6c5 4 in r1c3" position is impossible is if r6c5 is a 5, the arrow in box five becomes a 24 pair, ruling out the only possible position for a 4 neighboring r1c3

    • @Rdlprmpf12
      @Rdlprmpf12 Год назад +2

      Actually already 46:38 "Must this (r1c3) be yellow?": It's a circle, so it has to repeat in r2c4. But c4 already has a non-yellow 4/5 in row 5 or 6, so it must be either yellow or something >6 (which was ruled out earlier).

  • @dwebb2805
    @dwebb2805 Год назад +1

    "it's very hard to see" simon says, having created the most complicated coloring scheme to date on this channel

  • @mordirit8727
    @mordirit8727 Год назад +2

    I think Simon sabotaged himself by deciding to keep all coloring, even of the first circles, through the entire game. As soon as I figured the location of the 6s I got rid of my red color, then as soon as I got the 3s I did the same and so forth, made it much easier to keep everything in mind.

  • @entitree.
    @entitree. Год назад +5

    40:59 for me, the first time I've ever solved it faster than simon! although tbf, simon generously spends half of his time explaining his logic for us :)
    i just really connected with this one. the logic came to me quite quickly which isn't very common for me. Great puzzle celery! Now to watch Simon's take on this

    • @Vorash00
      @Vorash00 Год назад +3

      Enjoy it, you’ll only ever get the first time beating him once. :)
      you beat me too! 41:21.

    • @_kyarumii_
      @_kyarumii_ Год назад +2

      Me too. I got 47:44

    • @_-_-Sipita-_-_
      @_-_-Sipita-_-_ Год назад +1

      gg you guys, yo now on the faster than simon club

  • @LavenderGooms
    @LavenderGooms Год назад +3

    I figured out the breakin because the two starting circles were in the Phistomephel ring which meant two of those digits were locked away in a corner where they couldn't be in red circles. This got it down to a 6 or 7, but I then realized that it couldn't be in a circle in any of boxes 1, 3, or 9 at all. Putting it in a circle in Box 1 row 3 would make it repeat and clash in row 4, a circle in Box 3 Row 3 would repeat it in box 6, and Box 9 it's just isolated by default.
    This was a fun one. Definitely some different thinking involved, it was nice.

    • @kpsteigstra
      @kpsteigstra Год назад +1

      ^ This

    • @badrunna-im
      @badrunna-im Год назад +2

      Can't eliminate box 1 like that. Until the digit was put in you could have it in either box 1 or box 2. (R5c7 with r6c6, r7c3 with r8c4 and a pair in r3-4c1-2.) The important part is that at most one of box 1 or 2 could have it.
      It's easier to show rows 1 and 2 can't have the reds of the givens along with box 9.

  • @chocolateboy300
    @chocolateboy300 6 месяцев назад

    I finished in 39:38 minutes. The ruleset about red circles having to contain its duplicate in its surrounding cells is surprisingly powerful, especially when treating it as a negative constraint. I felt good on this puzzle and it agreed with me. It was quite fun putting multiple digits in at the same time to clear massive amounts of fog. As always, it fells good to beat Simon's time. Great Puzzle!

  • @raymondmanning5555
    @raymondmanning5555 Год назад

    I usually do not really enjoy the fog puzzles but, this one was rather beautiful. Thank you, Celery.

  • @mstmar
    @mstmar Год назад +1

    I had a much more intuitive break in and middle. the red circles have to be on borders, and so have to be in rows/cols 3,4,6 or 7. that means there's a maximum of 8 red circles with the same digit. the green cell in box 7 removes one possible circle as it's in both row 7 and col 4. the green cell in box 5 has 2 choices but both are in a special row and col. this means we can have at most 6 green red circles, fixing green.
    as for r1c3 (at 47:00). the only surrounding cell it can reappear in is r2c4, which is at least 4. it isn't 7 or 8, since it would need to be in a red circle in col 4 and/or row 3, so it's a 4 or 5. the arrow in col 4 contains a 4 or 5 that int yellow, so r2c4 has to be yellow.

  • @Stompound
    @Stompound Год назад +10

    Simon's joy at 31:38 really made my day

    • @chris5619
      @chris5619 Год назад

      The closest this puzzle got to a 3 in the corner. Corner of box 2 at least.

  • @werefrogofassyria6609
    @werefrogofassyria6609 Год назад +8

    The Werefrog wondered how The Werefrog got it so much faster (at 27:49 total solve time). Turns out, missing that 4 really set you back. Also, the box 5 circled 4 puts a 5 in column 4 box 5, so the circle in box 1 can't be the 5 anymore. That leaves only 4 for it.
    Also, the circled digits can't be 7 based on what could be circled digits, so it was limited to 4 or 5.
    Amazing how missing a couple hard to find things makes the solve take so much longer. This marks the 2nd Sudoku The Werefrog managed to solve faster than you. Our relative score is like 3 billion to 2 now.

    • @SirJefferE
      @SirJefferE Год назад +3

      I saw the video length and buckled up for a difficult puzzle. Finished in 27 minutes and thought "well. That's odd."
      Think I'll have to watch Simon now and figure out what he did differently.

  • @titusadduxas
    @titusadduxas Год назад

    47:53 - Loved it - I found it flowed very well. Most enjoyable puzzle. Thanks Celery

  • @cathybryant5119
    @cathybryant5119 Год назад +1

    27:51 for me. I think it clicked in my brain more easily than in Simon's. I did use a similar methodology but I removed all shading as soon as it served its purpose, and I think that helped. I also worked on the circle in r1c3 as soon as it was revealed, and that was much quicker than starting with the analysis of the circle in r5c5. Luck of the draw there. Fascinating puzzle. I loved the logic around getting that first set of digits in the circles!

  • @celery6397
    @celery6397 Год назад +3

    This was an different take on FoW based on positions of circles solely based off circles....
    Like Simon said, once i saw that the circle above the upper diagonal of 6's could be a 3 if i forced an arrow over the other potential position, I had to stick with it. Thanks for the feature. Hope it was enjoyable :)

  • @RedBarchetta2019
    @RedBarchetta2019 Год назад

    33:33 felt like a fitting finish time. Great Puzzle, Celery!! This was not difficult at all and was incredibly fun logic to explore and apply. The trick was to see after the fog was cleared where there were NOT red circles. This eliminated the possibility of multiple red circles, and it therefore forced that 4 in box 1. The slowest part for me was the sudoku at the end. The logic here was absolutely amazing! Well designed!

  • @horstrj
    @horstrj Год назад +10

    I do wish the moment he realized green was 6, he deleted all the green and reused green for the next what if's..

  • @Raven-Creations
    @Raven-Creations Год назад

    17:30 for me. I was quite shocked when I noticed the length of the video and assumed there must have been tons of news. This did play to my strengths, which is my ability to easily visualise things. It was clear that the maximum for the initial red circles was 6, because each rules out so many other possible places. They have to cross borders, and you only have 4 to work with. As soon as you place a digit next to a border, that preclude using that border again, unless you continue the diagonal. It is possible to place up to 8, but not from the starting position.
    Then getting the red 3, it was also clear that there were only two places they could be. The circle in R6C5 had to be either 4 or 5, but so did the one in R1C3, and they couldn't be different because one being 5 would prevent the other even being 3. As soon as they had to be the same, they could only be 4. After that, it was just a fairly simple arrow sudoku with a bit of fog left to be cleared. Even allowing for your inability to work out the red cells, I don't see how the sudoku could take so long.
    I know you love to colour, but not removing it when it's served its purpose really hurts some of your solves. You have a hard enough time scanning without the visual noise from useless colouring. I didn't use colouring at all, which made the sudoku easier, but I can see that it helps you to visualise.

  • @franzelmagetower
    @franzelmagetower Год назад +5

    Lovely puzzle with a smooth finish. Not sure if I short-circuited some logic but I got the circles relatively quickly just by ruling out possible squares and then finished the solve in an alliterative 26:26

    • @Paul-cn3ij
      @Paul-cn3ij Год назад

      29:45 for me which included about 10 minutes before placing those first 6's. Frustrating as had quite quickly ruled out 8 & 9 but made a mistake ruling out 7 using the same correct logic. Wasn't till I went through it again before knowing they were 6's. Flowed nicely from there.
      Yet to watch video but assume Simon missed some Sudoku to take so long. 😉

  • @emilywilliams3237
    @emilywilliams3237 Год назад

    I will say I was surprised to see a fog of war puzzle weighing in at great than an hour - and what a delightful video and puzzle it is, Simon. Thanks for solving it - fascinating (and, I think, beyond me at the moment...)

  • @jamesmoran4120
    @jamesmoran4120 Год назад

    Def one for my wall. 20:41. Got the break in within 90 seconds. Excellent puzzle.

  • @Urutsini
    @Urutsini Год назад

    From 38:00 to 53:00, one doesn't need to prove r1c3 is r6c5. One doesn't even need to analyse r6c5 at all. You just need to ask oneself, "What can r1c3 be?". One can quickly limit it to 4 or 5 from r2c4. From there, one can place a maximum of 4 red circles containing that digit, in a unique pattern, and can write 4 in all those boxes.

  • @13vatra
    @13vatra Год назад +2

    The green sitting there forever made me unreasonably angry 😅

  • @stevieinselby
    @stevieinselby Год назад +1

    Normally I approach Celery puzzles with trepidation and foreboding, but this was surprisingly tractable - it did take a couple of leaps of faith, where I was sure something had to be right but was finding it hard to articulate a definitive proof - the placement of 4s in circles was one of those moments!
    When Simon is considering the possibility of 5 on the red circles, the arrangement of 5s he comes up with is entirely possible _but that leaves r1c3 unaccounted for_ ... and that's what breaks it, because that cell can't be 1 or 2 because there's nowhere to put an adjacent cell, and it can't be any higher because there aren't enough places that circles can go in the fog, so that cell must be part of the same group of circles as the others and therefore must be 4. _Edit: then he gets it ... slightly tentatively!_

  • @edwurtle
    @edwurtle Год назад +119

    I love your videos, but please delete colors when they are no longer useful. The green colors just fried my brains well after their usefulness.

    • @JRTJunk
      @JRTJunk Год назад +16

      And three versions of grey cells is incredibly hard to decipher. The whole middle of the solve I'm thinking "I don't even know what I'm looking at."

    • @richardgodfrey7355
      @richardgodfrey7355 Год назад +11

      Took words out of my mouth. Those green cells were driving me mad! Love Simon but this video made me shout a lot at the screen...!! Part of the reason I suppose is I've watched two suduko solves everyday for a year...

    • @Tsunami14
      @Tsunami14 Год назад +3

      Yep. I really wish I could have reached across the screen and deleted Simon's greens.

    • @simonl4523
      @simonl4523 Год назад +24

      The green and (sometimes black) in the bottom right corner acted as an abstract/cubist representation of Simon, in his matching green top and black chair, caught within his own sudoku

    • @eloib7664
      @eloib7664 Год назад

      For these things a good help could be, to be able to put out fog and in tis place just empty cells, i dom t know if i explained well

  • @jim43
    @jim43 Год назад +5

    I got hung up for the longest time trying to work out where the circle for the arrow on R3C2 was going to be. I mistakenly assumed that all arrow circles were red. The rules state that not all red circles are arrows but don't explicitly state that arrow circles don't have to be red, and they all had been up until that point. It seemed (and was) impossible to put a red circle in a fog cell nearby that could repeat and was lower than 6.
    I did eventually give up and resolved the 45 circle in R6C5 which led to the reveal of a white circle arrow elsewhere.

  • @craigfjay
    @craigfjay Год назад

    18:36 a way to eliminate 7 from the given circles without as much bifurcation is to see that rows 1, 2 and 9 are fully yellow, so only 6 rows remain for possible red circles. Then, row 8 only has one cell for the 6

  • @Bweigelt13
    @Bweigelt13 Год назад +2

    I feel like simon made things really hard on himself when dealing with the 45 potential circle by focusing on the one in box 5 instead of box 1. The Box 1 circle could only ever be 4, it couldn't be 1 or 2 because you couldn't put 1 or 2 within 8 cells and it couldn't be more than 4 cause there was no where for them to go.

    • @RichSmith77
      @RichSmith77 Год назад

      I already commented on this elsewhere, but Simon so rarely does sudoku earlier than he has to. This was one instance where doing sudoku, to place that 3 in box 5, revealing additional red circles, probably cost him at least twenty minutes.

  • @nfc153
    @nfc153 Год назад

    I just id not try this. I thought understood everything but I don't think I could even do it after seeing it done.
    Bravo!

  • @ph1646
    @ph1646 Год назад +7

    To rule out red circled 7's was a lot easier than you made out.
    The only place for red circled 6/7 in boxes 1 and 2 were in row 3.
    So only one of those boxes could have it and hence only 6 circles max.

  • @georgewhyte7096
    @georgewhyte7096 Год назад +17

    Much easier without shading. Only 15 minutes of sheer quality. Well done Celery you made Simon sweat it out.

    • @gogogo123454321
      @gogogo123454321 Год назад +1

      How would you do it without shading? So, making it not a fog puzzle?

    • @mrrobotman5299
      @mrrobotman5299 Год назад +2

      Same here. You don't need sharing because you only have to look at box boundaries for circle counting.

  • @MattYDdraig
    @MattYDdraig 10 месяцев назад

    19:49
    One of the easiest fog of wars I've seen, but beautifully put together. I'm going to have to watch the video to see what made this take an hour because this flowed easily after one initial deduction.

  • @nakorbluerider
    @nakorbluerider Год назад

    I think I got a bit lucky in my path on this solve. Simon noticed a 3 had to be on r6c6 much sooner than I did, and revealed that circle on r6c5 early, and started thinking about it. Since I hadn't found it yet, I had only the r1c3 circle to think about, and that much more quickly led me to the conclusion it had to be 4 with a diagonal of three 4's. I only started chasing the 3's around sometime after that. Negative shading was definitely the strategy here. Would never have guessed that circles could make a good fog of war puzzle, but this is a great one. I had that "wait, 30 minutes has passed?!" moment halfway through. Great construction!

  • @meirkara17
    @meirkara17 Год назад +3

    I have no idea if it was just blind luck or I just understood the puzzle almost immediately but I managed to solve it in 35 minutes. First time I've ever beaten CtC team by more than a minute or two.

  • @artursruseckis4242
    @artursruseckis4242 Год назад

    slightly easier way of answering "is R1C3 yellow?" : by shading out the "uncircable" cells, we easily conclude that the only possible values for R1C3 are the same 4-5 as in R6C5. If both circles are different, i.e. one is 4 and other is 5, then we remove both numbers from being able to appear on 6-arrow in center box, yet we previously established that the arrow is either 2-4 or 1-5

  • @dangrene617
    @dangrene617 Год назад

    Fog of War, always delightful. Got stumped for a little bit forgetting that that the "surrounding 8" rule didn't require another red circle, but I came around in the end. 18:23 solve time.

  • @jenniferlenfestey5335
    @jenniferlenfestey5335 Год назад

    74:42 Great puzzle! …and not needing to proof each entry paid off. Highlighting the box border possibilities made short work of red circle candidates, and I loved the 3.

  • @Kinada
    @Kinada Год назад

    Got this one in 25 minutes. This one just really clicked I guess. Time to see why this is an hour long. Loved the puzzle.

  • @bertbergers9171
    @bertbergers9171 Год назад

    Where Simon colours the entire grid so far, i used the crossing off border option in the penn tool to eliminate quadrants from having red circles.

  • @bertbergers9171
    @bertbergers9171 Год назад

    Wow, after seeing a puzzle that made me read the rules three times and going howww???
    It actually was a straightforward path of eliminating numbers on red cells. So i was able to finish in 33:31
    Very happy with a fun puzzle and a great time for me.
    Thank you Celery for the puzzle and Simon for the video (which i know ill watch ;) )

  • @matthewphillips5911
    @matthewphillips5911 Год назад

    102 minutes (and you helped me with a couple of deductions). Thanks again for an enjoyable video and puzzle.

  • @KANPAI666OPPAI
    @KANPAI666OPPAI Год назад

    36:03 for me. Really clever puzzle! Just enough big clues to help clear a lot of fog, and then from there, you're left with looking for the little clues that crop up and need to employ some good logic in figuring out the rest from there. Had more than a few moments where I'd stare blankly where to go next and then realizing I had completely missed a clue that worked out the next steps really neatly. Not to mention for the longest time I confused a couple normal circles with red circles for the longest time and was completely baffled wondering what I was missing, ha! Very enjoyable solve.

  • @pilomatrixoma
    @pilomatrixoma Год назад

    I was staring at that poor resolved 4 in box 2 for way too long, but I think that was part of what made this solve entertaining :)

  • @sophiemclellan4709
    @sophiemclellan4709 Год назад

    64:06 great time for me! What a fun puzzle! Thanks Simon for helping me find the break in!

  • @MarkBennet10001
    @MarkBennet10001 Год назад +1

    One of the few I have done more quickly than Simon. At one key point in the solve R7C6 also had to be at least 4. So easy to make a mistake - I had to backtrack once after putting a digit in a cell instead of eliminating it. Thankfully it didn't hold me up for too long. It was a beautiful puzzle and a cool idea and a solve, once again, which showcased and explained the logic in an interesting way.

  • @johnh2052
    @johnh2052 Год назад

    When looking at the 4/5 circle, I started from the circle in box 1, since it was the first I uncovered. It needs to be at least 4 because it's counterpart in box 2 is restricted. Looking at the possibilities, 5 was ruled out, and 4 had only one option.
    Unfortunately, Simon started elsewhere so he ignored this circle's restrictions. If he had, it would have sped things up dramatically.

  • @andrewnelson2525
    @andrewnelson2525 Год назад

    Unusually fast for me at 38 minutes. My favorite moment was putting in four 4's simultaneously. Very satisfying.

    • @RichSmith77
      @RichSmith77 Год назад +1

      You missed out. You could have put five 4s in simultaneously (four in red circles, plus one in box 2). 🙂

  • @JamieDenAdel
    @JamieDenAdel Год назад

    The missed intended logic was that if there were both 4-circles and 5-circles, 4 and 5 would both be knocked off the 2-cell 6-arrow.
    Also, GREEEEEN. Not only had all of the information been extracted from green, but the bottom right green cells were even used to momentarily demonstrate where green couldn't go, and then they just stayed there.

    • @RichSmith77
      @RichSmith77 Год назад

      The bottom right 2x2 of green was to denote where green could go in box 9, not where it couldn't go. But I agree, the green colour could have been removed. He even had 6s, which green became, corner pencil marked into just two of those four cells for a good while.

  • @teey7124
    @teey7124 Год назад +1

    Why do you keep green color so long? For me this makes coloring more complicated, while using black yellow pink and blue later

  • @mudscuffer
    @mudscuffer Год назад

    20:00 an easy way to disambiguate how many red circles there are is to ask yourself how many red circles (matching the initial ones) there are in row 3.

  • @michelebensa
    @michelebensa Год назад

    39:51 for me! Super exited, the first time ever that I’m faster we than Simon!
    Super funny and enjoyable puzzle, I Guess I had the right thougts!
    Coloring for the break in was vital!

  • @iuriikononenko9238
    @iuriikononenko9238 Год назад +1

    The moment when I am glad to have 3 initially missed in box 5, and focusing on a revealed circle in box 1, instead of circle with an arrow in box 5! Took 31 minutes for me.

    • @RichSmith77
      @RichSmith77 Год назад

      Ditto.
      Simon, for once, did sudoku early in his sudoku puzzle, and it cost him dearly. 🙂

  • @michaelpdawson
    @michaelpdawson Год назад +2

    I had a slightly different tactic to rule out 8 and 9 at the beginning. Instead of looking at boxes, I was looking at columns, and saw that the red circle could not be in columns 8 or 9.

  • @johnh2052
    @johnh2052 Год назад

    Around 1:03:00, Simon provides one of his typical moves where it's clear he's just messing with me. ;) He looks at the restriction on the arrow cell R8C9, and gets 37. So, I'm happy, and I _want_ him to look at the restriction on the other arrow cell, but he just moves away, causing me anguish. (If he'd looked, R7C8 could only be a 2.)

  • @stevezagieboylo9172
    @stevezagieboylo9172 11 месяцев назад

    OMG!! I finally solved one faster than Simon. Of course, I wasn't taking time to explain my reasoning, etc. But from 'Let's get cracking' to 'solved' he takes just under an hour, and I finished in 42:50. I consider it a pretty big victory if I solve it in less time than his whole video, counting intro and rules. This is the first time I actually beat his solving time, and I crushed it.
    I'm pretty sure I didn't cheat -- that is, placing a digit that I hadn't actually proved but got lucky, though I can't say for sure. I believed I had proven every digit I placed, and I did not place any incorrectly.
    Anyway, I just wanted to crow a bit. Yay for me.
    Edit: Looking at his solution, my logic was the same until 32:00. After placing those 3's, I almost immediately placed the 4's in blocks 1, 2, 5, 8, and 9, being the only places left to add red circles. It fell pretty quickly after that.

  • @longwaytotipperary
    @longwaytotipperary Год назад +1

    Simon did a wonderful job of solving this one!

  • @PainMaker0017
    @PainMaker0017 Год назад

    At 48:00, there’s an easier way to prove that circles are not 4s and 5s. The circle in R1C3 has to repeat in R2C4. If that digit was 4 for example and the circle in R6C5 were 5, there is no valid combination of digits to go into R5,6C4. The same is true with 5 and 4, respectively.

  • @penningmeestercgkdelft9159
    @penningmeestercgkdelft9159 Год назад

    Solved it in 54:57. :-) I was about to start watching the video, but the inspiring rule set actually tricked me into actually going to solve the puzzle, which was very rewarding to do, although it is definitely bedtime now... ;-)

  • @LyuboRyuk
    @LyuboRyuk Год назад

    Very nice new solution type. It was such a journey.

  • @gagstersps3
    @gagstersps3 Год назад

    Very fun puzzle! I was very surprised of how easy it was considering the video length. Usually I use about twice the time of Simon, but this one I solved in 30:16. Maybe I was just lucky that the logic in this one was very intuitive to me as I quickly got into a good flow of deductions that stayed with me during the entire solve.

  • @richardwingrove953
    @richardwingrove953 Год назад

    60:54 for me, not especially quick but didn't need any hints from the video, quite pleased with how I compared to Simon's time!

  • @akaEDL
    @akaEDL Год назад

    Amazing puzzle! Seemed a bit intimidating at the first glance, but once you get the idea, it flows really well, 22:00 for me as a result.

  • @benjaminrealy5661
    @benjaminrealy5661 Год назад

    My time disqualifies me because of an unwanted reveal about 10 minutes in but was proud of myself for just looking at first dots and seeing it had to be a six within the first 30 seconds. (The 3 cell arrow but knowing the positions of the dots could not allow there to be 7 dots because of the diagonal rule). Based upon the ease of the regular sudoku, which is usually my struggle, I think I would have been about 20 minutes,but did 14:41.
    Maybe they could adjust the app for (with fog) tou type in the big '3' to place it but need to hit the '3' again to displace fog. That way it prevents accidental placement of a correct number, (say if you meant pencil mark) as well as for those who want to test theories on if a certain digit is possible.

  • @Rach881101
    @Rach881101 Год назад +1

    39:46 for me. Interesting fog of war puzzle!

  • @piarittersporn
    @piarittersporn Год назад

    What a beautiful puzzle. I'm proud I could solve it in 32:37 - of course without guessing! Now I'm curious to see how Simon had solved the puzzle.

  • @tomgalli1188
    @tomgalli1188 Год назад

    This one sure was a lot of fun! I was able to intuit that the visible circles had to be sixes by doing a little "what if" and "could it be." Not systematic, but it ended up working!

  • @penningmeestercgkdelft9159
    @penningmeestercgkdelft9159 Год назад

    43:55 I believe that the crucial point is the following here: could the red circles in r1c3 and r5c6 contain different digits, i.e. the 4 and the 5? They cannot, because there is not enough space anymore in the fog for 4+5=9 red circles. Therefore, the remaining red circles must contain the same digit and it will appear that you cannot exceed the number of 4 red circles anymore, so they must all be 4.
    Edit: a few minutes later, he finally got there :-) Take a bow anyway, dear Simon!

  • @slushpuppydevil
    @slushpuppydevil Год назад

    24:22 for me which i amazed by. I usually struggle alot with circles but enjoy fog of war so gave it a try. I do wonder if i accidentally made some logical leaps correctly but i got the reds narrowed down to 6 by just thinking how many red cells could possibly be touching from the starting positions and only 6 boxes were!

  • @Zeekfox
    @Zeekfox Год назад

    Ah, that's where things got me. The only hangup I got was proving that the red circled 4's were 4 and not 5. But the problem was, even under the assumption (not even proving like Simon did) that the box 1 red circle matched the other visible red circles, I kept thinking there could be a red circled digit in the fog between boxes 1 and 4, completely oblivious to it conflicting with the already circled digit in box 1. I had even told myself there could be non-red circles after reading the rules, but got far too hung up on the idea that the partially visible sum line led to a red circled 5.
    I got everything else though, from the "can't get to 7" to the fog hidden circled 3's to deducing the other sums correctly, after having placed the circled 4's even though I couldn't logically prove them like Simon did.

  • @sarahs4821
    @sarahs4821 Год назад

    I almost never attempt a puzzle if the video is longer than about 40mins, but fog of war is too tempting, so I am stoked with my 45 minute time.

  • @bellairenative19
    @bellairenative19 Год назад

    Found this puzzle to be extremely easy which is not usually the case for me lol
    The initial break in after eliminating box 3 and 9 when you look at box 1 you either don’t use box 1 and it leaves you with 6 or if you use box 1 it rules out box 2 leaving you with 6.
    The funny part about your circled 4 dilemma is I didn’t get the 3 in box 5 and used the circled digit in box 1 to get the 4s straight away. The 3 clearing the fog made you fixate on the wrong circle and was frustrating watching you go nowhere with it lol

  • @siorac1147
    @siorac1147 Год назад

    46:02. Really really enjoyable. I expected it to be more difficult, based on the video length. Not complaining though.

  • @whelmking6497
    @whelmking6497 Год назад

    33:03 with bathroom and tea making breaks. Love the fogs!

  • @-ARatnakumar
    @-ARatnakumar Год назад +1

    23:06 The hypothesis of R6C6 being 6 is not giving 6 sixes is wrong because R6C2 cannot be a 6 and there will be 2 sixes in box 1 and 4 and 2 sixes in box 5 and 6 and 2 in box 7 and 8 which is 6 sixes...

  • @Xiuhtec
    @Xiuhtec Год назад

    42:53 for me, very rare beat the video time.. the circle logic really popped out fast at me, I lost a little time near the end thinking I'd broken the puzzle when arrows appeared that couldn't possibly have enough red circles left, white circles didn't occur to me at first.

  • @michaelmatter1222
    @michaelmatter1222 Год назад

    An ingenious utilization of the fog constraint mixed with a position based ruleset! (Cheers from 99%Sneaky)

  • @18mattd
    @18mattd Год назад +1

    26:04 - happy with how quickly I managed it!

  • @zaclewis1869
    @zaclewis1869 Год назад +1

    I don't think the 6 in the r4c6 red circle at 23:00 was properly earned. Simon put a 6 in r6c6 hypothetically, then said a 6 in any combination of r3c3 - r4c4 is invalid because of the 6 in r6c2. There couldn't be a 6 in r6c2 if there is a 6 in r6c6.

    • @rizka7945
      @rizka7945 8 месяцев назад

      Watching the video right now and scrolled down to the comments to see what is being said about this. At least somebody noticed.

  • @RichSmith77
    @RichSmith77 Год назад

    Wow. I've never beaten Simon's time by such a large margin. 30:55 for me. And I know exactly why, too. At minute 32 Simon made the critical mistake of doing sudoku in his sudoku puzzle!
    Placing that 3 in box 5 (@32:18) removed fog that revealed two more red circles. Normally, you would think that would be a good thing. In this instance, however, it just confused the issue. It took Simon 24 minutes from this point to work out they were all circled 4s.
    Whereas, I didn't do sudoku in my sudoku puzzle. Instead, after revealing the red circle in r1c3, I saw this had to be at least 4 and there was only one way to fit three further circled 4s in the grid. So I placed five 4s, in boxes 1,2,5,8 and 9, within a couple of minutes of revealing the red circle in box 1, even though I was placing three of them into fog!
    Lesson: Never do sudoku in your sudoku puzzle if you don't have to. 😂

  • @theskyisteal8346
    @theskyisteal8346 Год назад

    21:52 very surprised to be 1/3 of the video length. Not sure I made all my deductions 100% logically but I think I thought through all the circle options before entering digits that turned out to be correct.

  • @matthewread9001
    @matthewread9001 Год назад

    (For the 67 starting circle) Doesn’t box 2 red circle cancel the possibility for the box 1 red circles? Which cancels for box 4? Forcing 6.

  • @frankjiang1857
    @frankjiang1857 Год назад

    Finished in 27:06. Interesting break-in which eventually leads to a fairly normal sudoku.

  • @jakobr_
    @jakobr_ Год назад +1

    31:22! Did I actually get it faster than Simon? This is a big deal for me

  • @WimmekeVL
    @WimmekeVL Год назад

    We have a proverb in Flemish that roughly translates as you were staring like a dog stared at a sick cow. I was the dog and this puzzle was the cow today.

  • @anaayoung9142
    @anaayoung9142 Год назад

    I really like fog puzzles. This one was super interesting! 🐯

  • @DerKarlKopp
    @DerKarlKopp Год назад

    This was fun and surprisingly approachable, solved it in 35:50.

  • @artursruseckis4242
    @artursruseckis4242 Год назад

    slightly more obvious break-in as soon as cells were painted yellow - there is no red circle in boxes 3 and 9, but boxes 1 and 2 can have only one red circle among them since the only available cells for that share the same row. So boxes 3,9 and (1 or 2) cannot have red cell thus leaving only 6 eligible cells, i.e. red cell is 6.

  • @omribena
    @omribena Год назад +3

    thanks for the video, one of the best fog of war i tried :)
    30:29 for me