When I first learned what was in this one, I was also really worried it would make the game a bit too clunky, thinky, and bog it down as it seemed maybe a bit too much. Really happy to hear that the additions do require some thought but are quite fun, interesting, and don’t slow the game down!
Already ordered this one! Good on Chris mentioning the price:materials ratio. DI is a fantastic design and I have the deluxe and like it a ton, but I always did feel the price point was a wee bit high considering the components in and of themselves. I guess they have every right to charge a bit of a premium for a great design people love, but still it's nice that someone pointed that out.
@@Mahler1988 Tbf as genius as the rest of the game might be, I wish it also borrowed a genius market row like what Dale of Merchants or Copycat did years ago, rather than Ascension's cloggy one wholesale. Especially from a designer who says "good isn't good enough"
We've been playing Dune with a house-rule where, after the first round, the last card on display gets "trashed". Family atomics sounds great. The market must flow.
The overview was great. Many thanks. At about 01:54, Chris calls the Bene Tleilax a new faction, but the official FAQ as at 14 Dec 22 says they're not: "Tleilaxu track - The Bene Tleilax are not a faction. Effects that let you gain Influence with any faction can’t be used to advance on the Tleilaxu track."
Was looking forward to this one, excited to hear it's good! By the way, you guys are still having a camera issue during movement in your recordings lately. It's even present during the discussion portion in this video. Not a major issue, but it seems to be getting worse...
I think it plays great with Ix. The great thing about it is that you can pretty much ignore it and it'll give you a few things on auto pilot that you can suppliment your normal base game/Ix strategies with, or go really deep in to it and focus on a new way of playing completely.
Yeah the Family Atomics is a fix needed since Clank! I played a few matches of Dune Imperium where at some point no one buy any cards anymore, once all the availables are bad for all players.
Typical problem with the vanilla Ascension-style markets it seems. Bit sad that the designer who said "good isn't good enough" deemed it good enough despite Dale of Merchants, Volfyirion, and Copycat solving it years earlier
There's a custom rule from BGG called "the sandworm eats the card" that you may use, it cycles the market every turn, the last card on the right disappears if no one has bought it
This looks cool, but it's missing 2 things that would've made it an auto buy for me: New leaders and new tech cards. They could have easily added a couple of new leaders and 3-6 new tech cards and then this would have been amazing. I'll still probably pick it up at some point, but it's not an instant purchase.
That's very true. I first thought it had three new leaders cause I somehow missed the fact that there were six new leaders in Rise of Ix (I thought there were only two) and was excited as I saw the what I that were three new leaders in a video inly to learn that they came with Rise of Ix. I think they missed an opportunity to create more worth here. They could have just split them up 3-3 on the expansions especially as three of them did not interact with the mechanics the last expansion brought
Is it just me or Roy looks either under the weather or a little unlike himself lately? Nobody ever brings the energy/passion quite like Roy. Anyway hope you are well sir. The DT has a great cast overall and awesome to get content over the weekend as well.
Depends but I think Rise of Ix is an essential expansion. It makes the less interesting board spaces either replaced or enhanced into arguably the most competitive spaces on the board. It adds techs resulting in more asymmetry, the dreadnought addition makes conflict far more interesting as well controlling locations occur more regularly. And the best addition is it changes the rhythm or pattern of play significantly - spice is far more versatile. It is not just for getting more solari which mainly was for getting your last worker. Mind you I have not played Immortality and it is already on my buy list but I will never play Dune Imperium without Ix. I hope this response is helpful
Ix is a great expansion I think that you should definitely buy that one. Immortality I have not played but if you really like dune imperium I would get it for sure. I'm buying immortality tomorrow I love dune imperium
Just watched the playthrough last night. Great timing. 👍Although I'm buying ( preordered months ago) Immortality no matter what. Easily a top 10 board game that keeps getting better. I feel bad for people that don't like / understand the Dune theme /lore. It's soooooo good.
Thank DT team, just moved to a new city, hoping to find a new game group that will play dune: imperium! This is probably my number one expansion on my buy list.
@@henrikwakman7776 in general not a big deal but for people who paid for the deluxe big box only to have this little expansion not fit I can understand the irritation
This expansion does not add any additional leaders and looks less of gameplay change than Rise of Ix imo. Rise of Ix gives you more strategic depth and this seems to add just more fun to play cards and move on a track. Also the price difference is only 7 EUR?
@@sarumon17 Newer stuff will always be more expensive than older stuff. But I agree with you that the expansion isn't cheap! I hoped it was cheaper but I guess it has something to do with the IP. We've played the base game over 30 times and 25+ games with Rise of Ix. So I'm quite sure it will be worth the money for us. :)
@@CK-mi3sd I would certainly give the game another try with this included if that's the case. The deck building in the base game + 1st expansion was damn near broken.
@@hugolio_81 I would disagree. If you buy plenty of trashing cards and go to Bene often to trash cards, you will get a decent deck to do crazy combos at the end.
Well I must be the dumbest person in the room. I thought the awful name Rise of the Chairdogs was the full name of the expansion. It's been many decade since I read the book; I thought I missed something.
Love Dune Imperium. Love Rise of Ix. This just looks like bloat the expansion to me. They’re taking the spice must flow a bit too far. That being said, the token for market refresh is going to be added to my game immediately.
Dune Imperium already has way too many icons, I can't imagine adding any more. My group spends more than half the game asking "What does this mean? What does that mean? What is this thing?"
Play it a couple more times to learn or put the icon appendix on the table. Most games have a lot of icons nowadays, I wouldn't say D:I has more than the average.
I worry that the game doesn't feel as tight with the new expansion. I think that the base game war very good and very tight. The ix expansion opened it up a little bit. But maybe this is too much? The games core strenght is how tight it feel with 4 players. The only player count for this game.
That victory point track . . . ugh. VP tracks in games bug me for some reason and it would take a more intelligent person than myself to explain why. I first encountered it in Snowdonia and every game since that features it I end up selling not really knowing why I didn't like the game enough to keep. Most recently I sold off Maracaibo and Arnak. I think D:I with Ix is perfect for me.
As much as I looked forward to the first expansion, Rise of Ix, it actually ruined the game for me. It made the game longer and more complex when I felt it was already pretty much perfect as it was; this expansion looks no better. It overcomplicates a game which drew me in by being straightforward and easy to play! All we REALLY needed were more personas to be and maybe some more cards to shuffle into the decks. This is a hard pass for me.
Overcomplicates the first expansion is easy to add you could teach it to new people and they wouldn't know the difference. I can't speak for the second but it doesn't look to add that much complexity
Chris is an absolute joy. Thoughtful, friendly, intelligent.
He’s got a good storyteller voice 🫡
Apparently the spice must NOT flow! Poor Tom got cut off there at the end!
Chris is such a great part of this group. Really I love his contribution
Yes to that!
He his not single
When I first learned what was in this one, I was also really worried it would make the game a bit too clunky, thinky, and bog it down as it seemed maybe a bit too much. Really happy to hear that the additions do require some thought but are quite fun, interesting, and don’t slow the game down!
Already ordered this one! Good on Chris mentioning the price:materials ratio. DI is a fantastic design and I have the deluxe and like it a ton, but I always did feel the price point was a wee bit high considering the components in and of themselves. I guess they have every right to charge a bit of a premium for a great design people love, but still it's nice that someone pointed that out.
Board game is not just about materials but design effort. I prefer to pay a lil' more for a genius design.
@@Mahler1988 Tbf as genius as the rest of the game might be, I wish it also borrowed a genius market row like what Dale of Merchants or Copycat did years ago, rather than Ascension's cloggy one wholesale. Especially from a designer who says "good isn't good enough"
We've been playing Dune with a house-rule where, after the first round, the last card on display gets "trashed". Family atomics sounds great. The market must flow.
Dice Tower, what is the best setup in your opinion? Base game + Immortality, or Base game + Rise of Ix + Immortality?
Lot of compression artifacts in the video, curious what's the cause of that (might be youtube itself)?
Expansion looks great, can't wait to try it.
This. I've seen this lately with DT videos but not on any others. Pretty sure this is a DT thing. 😞
2 things I love:
The release of reviews every Sunday and the new thumbnails you use for the reviews
The thumbnails are extremely helpful!
The overview was great. Many thanks. At about 01:54, Chris calls the Bene Tleilax a new faction, but the official FAQ as at 14 Dec 22 says they're not:
"Tleilaxu track - The Bene Tleilax are not a faction. Effects that let you gain Influence with any faction can’t be used to advance on the Tleilaxu track."
Was looking forward to this one, excited to hear it's good! By the way, you guys are still having a camera issue during movement in your recordings lately. It's even present during the discussion portion in this video. Not a major issue, but it seems to be getting worse...
Tom from The Rise of Ix review "I will never play without Rise of Ix" ;)
What about those video image glitches in the review part?
Calling the Tlelaxu "morally questionable" is quite generous. If you read further into the series you see how morally depraved they really are.
My question though is how does it play when paired with Ix? Or are you better playing one expansion or the other?
I think it plays great with Ix. The great thing about it is that you can pretty much ignore it and it'll give you a few things on auto pilot that you can suppliment your normal base game/Ix strategies with, or go really deep in to it and focus on a new way of playing completely.
Yeah the Family Atomics is a fix needed since Clank! I played a few matches of Dune Imperium where at some point no one buy any cards anymore, once all the availables are bad for all players.
Typical problem with the vanilla Ascension-style markets it seems. Bit sad that the designer who said "good isn't good enough" deemed it good enough despite Dale of Merchants, Volfyirion, and Copycat solving it years earlier
There's a custom rule from BGG called "the sandworm eats the card" that you may use, it cycles the market every turn, the last card on the right disappears if no one has bought it
@@enzocrespin5806 so basically Arnak's magic staff?
@@revimfadli4666 I dunno I've only played Arnak once and it was vanilla
@@enzocrespin5806 I was referring to the round marker in the vanilla lol
The spice… what??? Edge of my seat here
This looks cool, but it's missing 2 things that would've made it an auto buy for me: New leaders and new tech cards. They could have easily added a couple of new leaders and 3-6 new tech cards and then this would have been amazing. I'll still probably pick it up at some point, but it's not an instant purchase.
That's very true. I first thought it had three new leaders cause I somehow missed the fact that there were six new leaders in Rise of Ix (I thought there were only two) and was excited as I saw the what I that were three new leaders in a video inly to learn that they came with Rise of Ix. I think they missed an opportunity to create more worth here. They could have just split them up 3-3 on the expansions especially as three of them did not interact with the mechanics the last expansion brought
Wow high marks all around! I love this game and looking forward to the new expansion. Easily my top game this year and in my top 5 all time. Thanks!
Is it just me or Roy looks either under the weather or a little unlike himself lately? Nobody ever brings the energy/passion quite like Roy. Anyway hope you are well sir. The DT has a great cast overall and awesome to get content over the weekend as well.
I wish they each mentioned what they would probably prefer. This with Ix or this w/o. Idk if I should pickup Ix now.
Depends but I think Rise of Ix is an essential expansion. It makes the less interesting board spaces either replaced or enhanced into arguably the most competitive spaces on the board. It adds techs resulting in more asymmetry, the dreadnought addition makes conflict far more interesting as well controlling locations occur more regularly. And the best addition is it changes the rhythm or pattern of play significantly - spice is far more versatile. It is not just for getting more solari which mainly was for getting your last worker.
Mind you I have not played Immortality and it is already on my buy list but I will never play Dune Imperium without Ix. I hope this response is helpful
Ix is a great expansion I think that you should definitely buy that one. Immortality I have not played but if you really like dune imperium I would get it for sure. I'm buying immortality tomorrow I love dune imperium
so true about the price point, glad I'm not the only one that thinks that
Wooo! Can't wait for this to ship! :D
Just watched the playthrough last night. Great timing. 👍Although I'm buying ( preordered months ago) Immortality no matter what.
Easily a top 10 board game that keeps getting better. I feel bad for people that don't like / understand the Dune theme /lore. It's soooooo good.
Thank DT team, just moved to a new city, hoping to find a new game group that will play dune: imperium! This is probably my number one expansion on my buy list.
So, would you play Dune with both expansions at the same time?
of course
The game really turned into „Tracks: The Game“
Chris nailed that walkthrough
Got excited and bought both. 😅
Will this fit into the big storage box? The cards might but what about the new board
According to BGG it will fit in the box. I’m pretty sure if it didn’t there would be uproar already about it
How big of an issue would an extra little box be anyway?
@@henrikwakman7776 For many people (not really me) it's a grievous offense
@@sarumon17 So you place it next to the box. Or on top of the box. Or somewhere non-adjecent. See nobody dies:p
@@henrikwakman7776 in general not a big deal but for people who paid for the deluxe big box only to have this little expansion not fit I can understand the irritation
Great job guys, keep it up. I love these reviews with more opinions and ratings 🙌🙂
I cannot wait for this to arrive
Would you reccomend just using this, or ix or does putting both in still work well?
...must flow
Possibly Big Box….?
would like a small expansion with only new cards
CHAIRDOGGGGG!!!!!
But does it fit in the bigbox?
yes it will, confirmed by direwolf themselves
Also the price point on this sounds way better than rise of ix.
This expansion does not add any additional leaders and looks less of gameplay change than Rise of Ix imo. Rise of Ix gives you more strategic depth and this seems to add just more fun to play cards and move on a track. Also the price difference is only 7 EUR?
@@halveeuro this is 30$. Rise of ix is 45-50$ in US. That’s the same price as the base game. . .
Sorry I guess it’s recently gone down to 40, but that’s still siZeable for an expansion.
@@sarumon17 Newer stuff will always be more expensive than older stuff. But I agree with you that the expansion isn't cheap! I hoped it was cheaper but I guess it has something to do with the IP. We've played the base game over 30 times and 25+ games with Rise of Ix. So I'm quite sure it will be worth the money for us. :)
@@sarumon17 depends on the country, in France it's 30-35€ while the base game is around 50€
Two hour game? We finish 4 player games in less than hour xD
So finally the deck building is good?
Luke, the game now plays extremely similar to other deck building card games now. I like it even more than most other deck building games.
@@CK-mi3sd I would certainly give the game another try with this included if that's the case. The deck building in the base game + 1st expansion was damn near broken.
It's more card drafting than deck building
@@hugolio_81 100% agree
@@hugolio_81 I would disagree. If you buy plenty of trashing cards and go to Bene often to trash cards, you will get a decent deck to do crazy combos at the end.
9:04 And that my friends, is what you call Epoxy!
Well I must be the dumbest person in the room. I thought the awful name Rise of the Chairdogs was the full name of the expansion. It's been many decade since I read the book; I thought I missed something.
Love Dune Imperium. Love Rise of Ix. This just looks like bloat the expansion to me. They’re taking the spice must flow a bit too far. That being said, the token for market refresh is going to be added to my game immediately.
Does it bother anyone else that Chris sounds EXACTLY like Zee???
Bad idea to use that token on the techs.
To be fair, all the factions in the Dune universe were morally questionable
Dune Imperium already has way too many icons, I can't imagine adding any more. My group spends more than half the game asking "What does this mean? What does that mean? What is this thing?"
Oh boy, check out Race for the Galaxy than. :)
Really? I feel the game is very intuitive and I don't ever recall us ever having any issues with icons
Play it a couple more times to learn or put the icon appendix on the table. Most games have a lot of icons nowadays, I wouldn't say D:I has more than the average.
Get it played more and you’ll get the icons down pat. I personally don't think it has that many icons compared to other games
Skill issue
I worry that the game doesn't feel as tight with the new expansion. I think that the base game war very good and very tight. The ix expansion opened it up a little bit. But maybe this is too much? The games core strenght is how tight it feel with 4 players. The only player count for this game.
I agree. This looks interesting but I wouldn't want to play with both this and Ix. The tightness of the game is a big part of its appeal for me.
What are you talking about? This game plays great with 3 players or solo.
I've found it's fine with 2 too!
@@davidriemaker I agree haven't played solo but 3 players is great
@@hugolio_81 I love it at 2
I have a man-crush on Tom. Chris belongs on radio. Shout out to the other guy.
That victory point track . . . ugh. VP tracks in games bug me for some reason and it would take a more intelligent person than myself to explain why. I first encountered it in Snowdonia and every game since that features it I end up selling not really knowing why I didn't like the game enough to keep. Most recently I sold off Maracaibo and Arnak. I think D:I with Ix is perfect for me.
I'm relatively new to board games. My initial gripe was that you never know who is winning! Give me VP tracks with possible endgame twists everyday!
As much as I looked forward to the first expansion, Rise of Ix, it actually ruined the game for me. It made the game longer and more complex when I felt it was already pretty much perfect as it was; this expansion looks no better. It overcomplicates a game which drew me in by being straightforward and easy to play! All we REALLY needed were more personas to be and maybe some more cards to shuffle into the decks. This is a hard pass for me.
It's like you didn't even watch the review.
Overcomplicates the first expansion is easy to add you could teach it to new people and they wouldn't know the difference. I can't speak for the second but it doesn't look to add that much complexity