They want 4 teams locked in. That’s why they were whining about UGA last week even though there was still time for them to right the ship. It was about getting all of us to accept that 4 SEC teams ‘deserve’ to be in.
Sec is clearly the best conference but this narrative that the 3rd or 5th best teams in a given year in the conference can beat everybody else is simply untrue. Since CFP started only 3 of their teams were ever contenders and 1 of them was for a singular year
@ashcash3497 when did cfp start? 2015 I think. So in less than ten years the sec has had three different teams win a title and won six of the ten. Is that supposed to be bad? Please elaborate on your ridiculous comment
@malcolmjones27 so they count the same? A loss to Georgia is the same as a loss to NIU? A loss to oregon is the same as a loss to Kansas? Should I go on or do we agree that not all losses are the same?didn't even start to discuss losing at home vs on the road. Travel doesn't matter? Tell the big 10 that as they now have teams going across three to four time zones to play.
Unless they move to a NFL style conferencing then losses cant hold as much weight. I think the end goal will be NFL style With the SEC(NFC) and BIG10(AFC).
@@KeepChoppin I'd rather they schedule good teams out of conference instead of their usual slate of punching bags. If they're so dominant, why are they afraid to play anyone good outside the SEC?
If you want to make that argument, fine. But they still haven’t played anyone. Regardless of what they did/didn’t know, their schedule is still awful. And OSU is going to mop the floor with them when they finally play a good team.
@chrisjones4702 and they can't call those quality wins either. It's not there fault. But can't say they beat the two playoff teams from last year like it means something because it doesn't. If the committee punishes teams for playing weak schedules it means more teams will schedule better teams which is what's better for us the viewer. Win win.
Texas and Tennessee have nearly identical records. The Texas schedule narrative is goofy. Texas played the same teams as half of the other SEC team and they won in more dominant fashion.
It’s a twelve team playoff. It used to be two teams, then four, now twelve! At some point we have to choose what we’re going to care about before we care about it. Lose two games? I can’t really feel sorry for any team.
Josh, bad take. If Indiana goes INTO THE SHOE and plays and loses by only a couple touchdowns (like UGA lost to Ole Miss, or Texas lost to UGA etc), then they will be in with 1 loss. Why? It's not just because they will have 1 less loss than a 2 loss 5th SEC team, it's because that 2nd loss of said SEC team was REALLY BAD. Vanderbilt?! Kentucky?! Arkansas?! LSU?! There are 3 highly ranked SEC teams in your "should be in" that not only have 2 losses but have BAD LOSSES. Keep dreaming HOMERS.
Since you don't understand football, when a team plays a big game or rivalry game they have a hangover game. Indiana literally had an extra week to prepare for OSU. They lose by 2 tds they should drop to 10. Those bad losses you mentioned nobody would want to play a week after a tough game. No such thing as a good loss or a bad loss no moral victories from a loss. Just like a win is a win. They won't penalize Oregon for barely beating Wisconsin. Say OSU obliterates the number 5 team should OSU be number 1? They would then have beaten two top 5 teams in a month.
Josh why even play these games anyway? Let’s just look at stats and play the games in xbox since wins and losses don’t matter. Whoever has the most 5 stars and nfl draft picks is the national champ. That sounds fun. I personally like March madness where teams that don’t really have a chance actually have a chance. I don’t agree that SEC is so much better than other conferences but even if i give you that point, isn’t it good that there are 4 guaranteed posts for BIG B12 ACC GR5? Otherwise just have an SEC end of year tournament….Every SEC gets in with a single elimination and self declare the winner the national champ. The best team doesn’t always win and certainly not in a single elimination tournament. I like the playoff personally. Get rid of the byes if you want. Give 4 SEC teams byes if you want. I really don’t care. I just like a multi team tournament where every team has a chance. But if we’re only going to count stats and nfl draft picks what’s the point in playing any game ever?
Texas schedule is as bad as Indiana. The point of a playoff is to determine a champion since the teams don’t normally play each other. You don’t know the SEC is that good until the playoff is over. We heard this in 2014. No need to have a playoff. The top 4 teams are in The SEC West. What happened. The Big 10 rolled right through it come bowl season. All 4 top SEC west teams lost. It will sort itself out. If Texas loses another game with their schedule I do not feel bad for them if they get left out. You can’t lose to every top team you play and then claim to be the best because you only lost 2 games. People are advocating for 3 loss teams. Get out of here. Also the other conferences are playing 9 conference games. Come one SEC. Play 9 so some of these 2 loss teams will get a 3rd loss and settle itself.
"You know South Carolina right now is the seventh best team in the SEC, they'd probably go win the Big 12"
Things SEC homers say for a $1,000, Ken
Your take is hyperbole. I'd say SC is the 6th best SEC team and they most definitely wouldn't be favored against the field to win the BIG 12 as you are implying. You should consult your friends at FanDuel for the odds. If you'd said there are no BIG 12 teams that would be favored over SC right now I wouldn't have a beef. But that's not what you said. You went full-homer mode and crowned SC the hypothetical BIG 12 conference champions like they'd be two TD favorites over every team in the BIG 12. That's ridiculous. The BIG 12 is loaded with teams capable of beating SC.
@@gk5891 Kennesaw > Liberty > ECU > Old Dominion > Georgia State > Vanderbilt > Alabama > Georgia > Tennessee > etc. Kennesaw State definitely has a CFP caliber resume 😉
As much as I love Late Kick I feel like ever since the 12 Team Playoff was announced and despite multiple times saying that he would accept it once it’s here, I feel like Josh hasn’t accepted it.
the goal of the playoff is not to get the 12 best teams. it's to find the best team. so don't think of who should be in, but think of who should be out. if you finish 5th in your conference, even the SEC, then you've proven you're not the best team. go enjoy your bowl. and if the SEC leaves they will regret it faster than the Rose Bowl (Big 10 & Pac 12) did not joining the BCS.
I really dont care, Josh. Y'all seem to want it both ways. When the Big Ten was expanding nationally, SEC homers said it would be too tough on teams and the SEC regional conference was easier. Now that SEC, not even at 9 conf games, has played itself into the bottom half of the Top 12 despite preseason bias, it is the SEC is better tougher by far. I dont care. The thing I care about with these larger conferences is that teams get a fair shot at a playoff. 4 AQ bids for a 20 team conference is fair. Then internally decide through scheduling, CCG, and tie breakers who your 4 are. But limiting these larger conferences to less than 4 or going 5 or more is too much.
It also helps with recruiting now you can be a Boise state and tell high rated recruits hey we have a shot of making the playoffs same with the B12 and ACC with this playoff format compared to the old one where there was no chance.
Apparently, all Heisman winners and candidates should come from the SEC according to Pate's logic.....Travis Hunter and Ashston Jenty stats don't matter because they aren't against SEC teams.
So you’re saying the SEC will bitch about the same thing that FSU bitched about last years. But cause they are doing it, it’s ok? Granted FSU lost their QB. But again how can they expect to have it both ways AND NOT be accused of being biased or having bias for the SEC as a whole? They signed up for this and they need to accept any outcome. Just like every other team/conference has in the past.
Look… at the start of the season, all we heard is, “Oh, GA’s just on another level from all the other teams!” Now, with 2 losses, “Oh, it’s just that so many SEC teams are sooo good, and that means more of them should be included in the playoff!” You guys were crowing about how good LSU had become (despite a first-game loss to middlin’ USC)… and gee, now we come to find they’re kinda crap. Who cares if the SEC has more pretty good teams than other conferences? They’re the ones who started this conference carousel in their quest for more teams, bigger TV and more cash. Besides, next year the Big 10 may have Washington & USC back on the rise, and that conference may have 6 or 7 pretty evenly matched teams - it doesn’t mean they’re all great and all should get in the playoff. Josh has become so ubiquitous, that he’s lost his objectivism. Back to seeing SEC-only greatness.
SEC whining never stops. WHO decided to expand the SEC several years ago so they could "dominate?" Well even if they have the top 10 teams in the country, they will eliminate themselves. This was their own choice.
@@TRAYTRAYOLAY9 Why are other conferences unable to keep their teams satisfied? You can point a million fingers, but it really doesn’t make sense to point fingers at the conferences who were just doing too much too good. And if you really want to get into the weeds, the PAC 12 tried to poach the Texas schools and Oklahoma way before you ever saw Mizzou and TAMU play with a SEC sticker, but I don’t see people saying foul to that.
I usually agree with most of what he says. But if Indiana plays Ohio State close...sorry but not sorry. They should be in. I'm NOT trying to hear this narrative about a 5th team from the SEC whiners. When teams like Kentucky, Vanderbilt and Arkansas are beating these so called top tier teams in their own league is PROOF enough to me that these teams aren't unbeatable. You can't convince me otherwise...How are you not beating the teams your SUPPOSED to beat and then have a gripe about not getting in. If you had beaten those teams, then you may just have a solid argument. But not winning against those teams at the bottom of your conference leads me to believe that Indiana rightfully deserves a chance to play in the playoffs. Now if they get blown out by 17 or 21 pts against Ohio State...then you can make a case for the SEC whiners. But until then, this notion that they should have 5 teams falls on deaf ears.
The SEC and Big 10 are the top 2 for sure. The Big 10 is very top heavy this year while the SEC is more even across the top half this year; you take your pick on which one is "better" and you can come up with solid rationale arguments either way. All the other conferences are middling at best, with a couple of potential outliers.
The playoff was designed to have the conference champ and the best first loser from each conference be in and sprinkle in a couple teams that every says “yeah they’re damn good.” It wouldn’t matter if the SEC had three 12-0 teams, some of yall would be out here railing on about how good the sixth place team is and why they’d be 12-0 in xyz conference. If the final four teams are all SEC, we give you your due royalty for this year.
SEC Bias at its finest. Your stuck in the past and need to understand it's a new era and you can thank the NIL, transfer portal for that. You can buy a championship team and be competitive and possibly go all the way to the naty.
Gotta love the conference bias... Texas (average every year in the Big12 joins the SEC and is leading the league). Same with Oregon in Big10, BYU in Big12, and SMU in ACC. There are good teams outside the bubble... you really need to consider that. No conference or team is elite, just because they were good in years past, or because they have good recruiting rankings. Got to show it on the field!
Agreed! Games will play themselves out. Guys acting like the field isn’t gonna be made up of all sec teams, as if any of the teams not it the top 5/6 in sec even still have a playoff chance.?! Like what does he want a basketball style confrence tournament for the SEC? Like Florida Arkansas or vandy should have a title shot???
@@lukaslacy5412 How long has Texas had Steve Sarkisian? Did Texas win the Big 12 last year in Sarks 3rd season? When Texas signed with the SEC and landed Steve Sarkisian they immediately improved their stock. Texas is not the same team today that they were even 3 years ago in Sarks first season.
@@thomasallisonstabler3478I completely agree with you and there's other good and valid arguments, but some of these other people only see what they want to see. Sarkisian is why Texas is great again. The other person totally forgot about this.
What has Oregon done? Beat OS and what have they done? Just thank the SEC for beating up on each other allowing them the top spots since the poll is mainly based on wins since their conference is so weak.
So a 13-0 ACC conference champion can get left out and it’s fine but a 2 or 3 loss sec team being left out will cause you to basically co sign the sec LEAVING college football entirely as we know it? Everybody in the sec is just amazing all of them!!! Right Josh!!! This is SEC bias man you guys aren’t as brilliant as you think.
Let them go play with themselves if that's what they want. The giant sucking sound you'll hear will be all the 4- and 5-star recruits going to conferences with teams who aren't afraid of real competition. And the rest of us wouldn't have to hear all the chest-thumping by fans of 6-loss teams because they think being in the same conference as Georgia somehow makes them good.
And contrary to SEC fans' expectations, the world did not end and no one disputed Michigan's status as champions. And since the two best teams in the SEC got beaten in the semifinals, why would anyone think the 3rd-best would have done any better?
A&M lost to ND, LSU lost to USC, Florida lost to Miami... there's not a solid win out of conference. SEC team's have to show up in the play offs or this will age like milk.
You named 3 sec teams that aren’t currently in the playoffs per the rankings. There are 5 other sec teams with out of conference wins that are fighting for playoffs, bud.
@@Byrd21590 Clemson is the only one of those in the top half of their conference. Michigan and Wisconsin are not quality wins any more than a nonconference team beating Auburn or Miss. State would be a dominance-proving quality win.
Sounds like SEC needs 9 conf games so they can actually figure out who is good in that conf. We'd cut the 3 loss teams in half and not have any debate. Problem solved
Well, don't lose to unranked teams. Every SEC team except for Texas has at least 2 losses. Also they have losses to unranked teams: Alabama (Vandy), Tennessee (Arkansas), Ole Miss (Kentucky) and LSU (Florida).
The same one that had tcu as the 2010 national champion? The one that they don’t even count. The same tcu yall didn’t want in the 22 championship? Stop it.
Been saying that for years. BCS rankings take the top 8 and random draw for seeding. Hit go. Will always get the best team in the country winning the national title. The BCS rankings werent perfect but it was good enough to put the best team in a group of 8.
@adamklosterman8960 the bcs was based on wins only, not strength of schedule or head to head quality wins over ranked teams they just took the 2 undefeated or 1 loss teams and put them in definitely a flawed system i would quit watching cfb if the bcs was back in play!!
How can they wine about who they’d beat in other leagues when the SEC still plays 8 conferences games. IF they played 9 like everyone else there’d be more losses and this entire argument would be mute
How about the SEC playing a 9-Game conference schedule like the Big 12 and Big 10? That they only play 8 conference games is a Joke! To say otherwise discredits your knowledge of the game Mr. Pate. I can’t blame the SEC though; I’m sure every team in the Big-10/12 would love to play a “Mercer” or similar foe instead of another conference member if they could too. Especially in November! Playing another conference game would separate the log jam of two-loss teams.
@AlaskaRob24 did not Texas play Michigan, did not Bama play Wisconsin, did not Georgia play Clemson and Georgia Tech, did not Florida play Miami and Florida St. Your point is mot. Try again
People are complaining and a single playoff game hasn’t been played yet. Shoot, the end of the season hasn’t even played out yet. Let it play out, just like we did with the 2015-2024 CFB playoff. Gave us a Big 10 upset of Bama year 1, and an amazing Bama vs Clemson series across 4 years. Out of the 10 years, 2 Championship games were SEC vs. SEC. If they get 4-6 teams in, they’ll have a chance to prove the system doesn’t work by losing “0” CFBP games to other conferences.
You showing SEC bias without even knowing it. Saying any team from any conference could go win another conference is a hypothetical no merit. Then if i said well Oklahoma State beat Arkansas i would be laughed at. Point is those hypothetical points happen to much. The results only thing that matters year to year.
Miami demolished Florida. Florida barely lost to Georgia and Tennessee. Vandy lost to Georgia state. The SEC isn’t as good as they claim themselves to be. When GT beats Georgia and knocks them out of the playoff I will be dying laughing at how bad the SEC has fallen.
I am a fan of a non SEC team, but I watch a ton of college ball. GA, Bama, Ole Miss, TN, and the winner of Texas/A&M should be in if it’s actually the best teams in CFB
Notre Dame has the worst loss in the power 4 (not just the top 12). Ole Miss has a loss to LSU (who has the same record as Michigan). Tennessee lost to Arkansas and was blown out by Georgia. All 3 of those teams don't deserve to be in over a 1 loss Indiana. I'm sure if Bama looses the SEC championship, you will have them in with 3 losses. That sounds crazy to me. On top of all that; the SEC gets a November bye every year because they play an elementary school instead of the same amount of conference games as everyone else.
I graduated from an SEC school and live in that state still. I used to love the SEC but their fans are making me cheer against them. They really think their 5th or 6th place team would win any other conference, and think they deserve about the spots. There is no way to discuss things logically with them, bc their sense of self worth is so grand. They are sooooo mad about the G5 spot in all of this. Even when I explain it keeps over half the schools abs fans invested and therefore keeps people watching, so we get the huge TV deals, they don't care. They just want all the spots
Almost everything you say is wrong. It's very obvious that you are in denial of how good the SEC is and has been each season the past 20 years. The BIG10 is very good too and has quite a few schools that are the same as SEC schools, but Indiana's schedule is a complete joke. Most ANY team in the top 20 would be undefeated with their schedule up to this point this season. Think logically right now.
How are you going to make the argument for Texas over Indiana if Texas loses to A&M. There best win would literally be the same as Indiana. Texas’ resume if they lose to A&M is hot garbage! They played the dumps of the SEC.
Good riddance. The rest of us won't have to put up with obnoxious fans of mediocre teams who think being in the same conference with an elite team somehow makes their team better than mediocre.
I don’t love the new playoff. I have fond memories of the BCS. I remember living or dying on every Penn State game in 2010 hoping they’d make a bowl game so I’d have a game to watch in January. But I’m curious to see how this works out.
A&M nearly lost to unranked Bowling Green and unranked Arkansas and got blown out by SC. I'm supposed to be impressed? Texas has 0 wins over ranked teams. I'm supposed to be impressed? LSU lost to USC and is unranked. I'm supposed to be impressed? Ole Miss lost to unranked Kentucky and previously mentioned unranked LSU. I'm supposed to be impressed? Alabama lost to unranked Vanderbilt. I'm supposed to be impressed? You act like these teams are on another level, unmatched outside the SEC, but on the rare occasions they play anyone of note outside the SEC, we see that they are in fact quite beatable. If they want to claim some level of superiority then they need to play good teams outside the SEC, and currently the only place that really happens is in the playoff. So save me the sob story about how the SEC deserves 7 teams in the playoff because they're the only worthy conference. BS.
Four regional 10-team conferences for the playoff. Nine conference games (complete round-robin). Three out of conference games - one each against the team from the other three conferences that finished in the opposite final standing from you the previous season (i.e. 1 vs 10, 2 vs 9, 3 vs 8, etc). Four auto bids w/bye go to the conference champs, four to the runners-up, four at-large from the remaining 32 teams. The other 94 teams play in the bowls. Notre Dame can spit or get off the pot...
Why 1 versus 10 of another conference who wants to see that and just keeps cupcake scheduling and have an sec champion whoop up on wake forest or the likes and awful non-conference games no one wants to see. The best should have to face the best of the other conference and on down the list like that as you'd get a fair comparison in season and be able to use that data when it comes time for selection Sunday. Other than that i think this model would work fine...but like that it leaves the issue cfb has long faced of teams considering themselves the best or being called that by winning games they should be winning and rarely if ever playing teams that can compete and go toe to toe with them
@@crammons7330 40 teams, blue bloods, in total. The likes of Wake Forest, Purdue, Northwestern, Miss St, etc, probably don't make the cut. Come in 10th, then you have to earn your way back to the top. No reward for mediocrity or failing. In fact... maybe there's a review board that moves the four worst teams out of the group of 40 every 4-5 seasons and brings in other squads that have overperformed amongst the "outside" group of 94. Can still get an auto bid if you make the conference championship game, even if your three out of conference games don't pan out so well..
The reason that there shouldn’t so much bias is simply that in the age of nil and transfer portal the talent is spread into other conferences making competition better throughout the game. Miami has several sec transfers which has made them better. As more time passes conferences will become more equally respected
Why is everyone throwing a fit about 2 loss SEC teams when just last year the playoff committee snubbed an Undefeated FSU team? Like it’s ok to screw over ACC and B12 teams but not SEC teams? …
You must be a child because that is a absolute horrible argument. They almost lost to Louisville, Florida, and got destroyed by Georgia. You have no clue sadly
For years the same 2 schools have owned the SEC. Just like every other conference. Now those teams don’t dominate. Is every team is the SEC with 2 losses elite….or are they all Penn State this year?
So South Carolina can with the Big 12. But the former Big 12 team champ, Texas, is near the top of the SEC. 🤷🏾Let go of the conference bias. Judge the teams as they are, not with the weight that the conference has done, because South Carolina is living off of the work UGA and Bama have done in the SEC for the last 15 years.
"So South Carolina can with the Big 12. But the former Big 12 team champ, Texas, is near the top of the SEC." I'm not sure what your point is. Texas did come from the big XII, as did Oklahoma. And the 2 of them were by far the most dominant teams of that conference. So yeah, when they left, the conference got a lot weaker. Looking at some metrics, S Carolina would be favored to beat anyone in the Big 12 on a neutral field. That doesn't mean they would win it for sure...but it's certainly not an unreasonable take.
@@aaroncollins4502your favorite school wouldn’t make it through an SEC 8 game stretch let’s not just lie to ourselves for whatever reason. Also, those smaller schools depend on that 1 game per season for revenue within their athletic dept.
Did Michigan beat Alabama last year ? Did Washington beat Texas last year ? You can crown the sec as the best but that’s why the games are played . Both are big ten teams . And played each other in the ship . Enough said
@@stevenpulido9308 see this is why I can’t take you people seriously. The argument is conference depth and a cumulative tough schedule week in and week out. Spare me the BS about one time matchups. You think Michigan or Washington go undefeated with an SEC schedule? That’s a resounding hell no, and if you say otherwise, you’re just a fool.
@@spankyjohnson2The SEC lost in the playoffs last year when it mattered most. Both Texas and Bama lost in the playoffs. That’s not a BS argument. The BS argument is what your clown ass is doing by tossing hypotheticals and SEC homerism up in the air and saying ‘Hah, I’m better than you in this alternate reality’ and then take their ball and go home. You’ll get your butts kicked in come December and then try to break off from CFB to do your own little stupid thing.
You have no clue unfortunately. If the SEC goes, the BIG10 will also go, and a number of other big- time football schools will join also. It'll become the super league with 4 quadrants basically. If your team isn't one of the ones in it, then you won't be enjoying it as you do currently... unless you're cool with your school basically playing for an NIT championship. That could still be exciting, but not as good as the big- boy schools
Josh is 200 percent right. Im a big ten fan and i still think we need 5 sec teams in. Let the best teams in. If the b12 or acc wants more teams in they need to invest more and then schedule and beat sec teams in the non con. Simple as that.
If you went back the last 10 years and made it a 12 team playoff based on the end of year results before the bowls, the SEC only would get more than 3 teams in 2 years. Add in texas and Oklahoma and that changes in some years. My point is even with Texas and Oklahoma, 4 is the average amount, so i don't know why they would get so mad if that's what they get.
@@soboredrn-v8e they have though. Look at miami, based on uf they are better than every sec team yet they get no respect for a dominant win that should be easy for the mighty sec to replicate or even exceed. But no sec team can, even when uf is injured and on the road! So no scheduling and dominating an sec schools does nOt matter…
A computer model for power rankings with prior data and one without prior data should be added into the committee, as well as a computer that aggregates those two models and spits out its own top 25 ranking, getting 1/15th of the vote.
@@Scotti-i3dwhich is what the committee already does. They use the Hancock matrix and its rules can be found if you do some digging. The current system is more like the BCS than you think, just a different model and committee that refuses to explain it
They wanted it to make the money like pro sports but they still wanted the players for free and the conferences and a zillion teams. With the nil deals we're hearing about we're finally hearing how much money was already being funneled to top stars. It's impossible to believe it wasn't, it just wasn't above board. There's no reason to think it still isn't. In the end it will gravitate towards about 25 teams in a few power conferences and make their own pro league making even more money. It's what they want.
100% agree with you it’s literally Big Ten and SEC on top than everyone else. People would argue with you but it’s reality. Majority of the spots will have teams from SEC and Big Ten. Every other conference will get 1 or 2 teams in.
I would love for the SEC to leave and have their own conference championship be the end of their football season. That would be absolutely great! I like having a national championship playoff with a multitude of teams from different conferences it makes it really interesting
Oh Pate, love you bud…but you forgot to mention the SEC only has to play 8 conference games. Other leagues are are playing inter-conference opponents in November while we have Alabama vs Mercer, Georgia vs Umass? Come on now!
Georgia just went through the hardest schedule in all of CFB and they played Clemson, They can play a couple cupcakes too lol. Meanwhile all the B1G plays their cupcakes at the start of the season while the SEC is playing conference games. It goes both ways man.
Your logic is that of a child unfortunately. Bama and Georgia both have schedules ranked in the top 7, so there is no need to add another game. Every season the SEC has around 10 teams with the toughest top 25 schedules... and this is with ONLY 8 conference games; while some of your other conferences play 9 conference gms and still don't have the toughest schedules. I wish some of you people could learn how to think or debate with facts
@@MrBlarginFlargyou can't argue with biased, naive, or clueless people unfortunately. I totally agree with what you say, but some will never understand unfortunately
have the top SEC and Big 10 teams have their own playoff for conference champion and winner of each play for the world title.This would deemphasize the regular season while allowing for much more interesting out of conference games during the season
If the SEC (or any other conference) wants to have more than half the slots in the playoff, they need to schedule more and better OOC games so the alleged total dominance is proven on the field before the playoff teams are selected. As it stands now it's all completely hypothetical, and against that complete hypothetical you have the cold, hard fact of one loss versus three or more losses. If South Carolina wants a playoff spot despite being the 7th best team in the SEC, they can either win more of their games or do something more outside the conference than beat up on Wofford, Old Dominion, and Kentucky. Until then, five slots out of twelve is enough for any conference no matter how much chest-thumping the 3-, 4-, and 5-loss teams in that conference do. As for the SEC "going and doing its own thing," what do you imagine that would be? Canceling all their OOC games except their habitual FCS punching bags, boycotting the playoff, and crowning the SEC champion as the one true world champeen of college football? That would be a joke and would cost the SEC a lot more respect, recruiting, and revenue than it would cost anyone else. If they really want to play that game, let them leave, the rest of CFB would be better off without them.
Depends how they lose if they lose by 7 or less. The same as penn state and they have to play at ohio state. I dont see how you can leave indiana out and penn state in
@@jwolf2254 Penn State's strength of schedule is about 20 places higher than Indiana's, that's how. But I'd put any 1-loss B1G team in over a 3-loss SEC team anyway. Wins and losses matter more than the BS test.
Guy trying to justify his take the 12 team was bad when it's obviously awesome for the sport as 20+ teams still alive in week 11 . Notorious for saying things without actual saying things. Well played JP 1:16
@@kjobrien942any one of them can. That’s the point. The top 4 model only 2 were ever realistically winning. Nobody thought tcu would beat Michigan and they not only beat them, they held them to 6 points in 1 half. Then forgot how to play tcu ball against Georgia. But yall think keeping it small makes a better championship no.
Here we go with the sec crying. If they wanna leave, let em leave. I don't hear anyone talking about number 3 Texas. What's their best win so far? Michigan? Stop crying. Let em go.
Alabama, Texas, A&M, and Ole Miss all close out with nothing but SEC matchups. SC plays Clemson. Georgia has had the toughest schedule in college football. Make it make sense
Recovery games 😂 as if these high ranked teams in other conferences wouldn’t become 7-5, 6-6 teams in the SEC. Get out there with that nonsense, must be nice to play “recovery games” the entire season just to get shit on in the playoffs.
And meanwhile other teams are scheduling all their warm-up games at the beginning of the season to game the poll inertia by not having to play any big time games until late October while SEC teams are instead carrying the sport by scheduling important games to start the season.
The way you describe the SEC makes them sound a spoiled child of a rich couple . If they dont get their way, they are taking their toys somewhere else and playing
Let them go, and then let them learn what happens when you stomp off in a funk and lose 80% of the fans in the country. In ten years they'll be losing to those FCS creampuffs they like stomping in November.
The way I see it a 11-1 non sec team should be in over a 10-2 SEC team every single time. BUT if it’s a 10-2 non sec team and a 10-2 SEC team then SEC team gets the auto tiebreaker win
Another point about strength of schedule that often gets overlooked, is by the time the teams arrive at the finish line the SEC teams have gone through a gauntlet. Like Josh said earlier in the year there’s a difference between getting punched in the mouth one time versus five or six times in a season. Indiana is a great example. They only have to prepare for one game their whole season.
The Pellagra Bowl? I've been saying for a while that NIL will eventually be the end of SEC competitiveness because you can't make money selling shirts and shoes to people who don't wear shirts or shoes.
Ok so the top 3 SEC teams should then DOMINATE the other teams in the playoff. As you like to say… that’s why we play the games.
The top 5 sec teams will dominate
They want 4 teams locked in. That’s why they were whining about UGA last week even though there was still time for them to right the ship. It was about getting all of us to accept that 4 SEC teams ‘deserve’ to be in.
Well who has Texas actually beat there best win is against Vanderbilt
And Georgia is up and down if Beck plays good he good but when he plays bad he really bad
Sec is clearly the best conference but this narrative that the 3rd or 5th best teams in a given year in the conference can beat everybody else is simply untrue. Since CFP started only 3 of their teams were ever contenders and 1 of them was for a singular year
@ashcash3497 when did cfp start? 2015 I think. So in less than ten years the sec has had three different teams win a title and won six of the ten. Is that supposed to be bad? Please elaborate on your ridiculous comment
Let’s just say that those 3rd, 4th and 5th best teams can usually beat everyone else except the top one or two in those other conferences.
Eventually, losses have to mean something or this system blows up. Bias or not.
Well... losses are irrelevant if you don't play anybody
@@drew7155, BS! A loss is a loss whether it be to Vanderbilt or it be to Oregon. It’s still a loss.
Its not the same caliber of football. Either count losses or give the SEC there own Championship separate from everyone else.
@malcolmjones27 so they count the same? A loss to Georgia is the same as a loss to NIU? A loss to oregon is the same as a loss to Kansas? Should I go on or do we agree that not all losses are the same?didn't even start to discuss losing at home vs on the road. Travel doesn't matter? Tell the big 10 that as they now have teams going across three to four time zones to play.
Unless they move to a NFL style conferencing then losses cant hold as much weight. I think the end goal will be NFL style With the SEC(NFC) and BIG10(AFC).
If the SEC didn’t want ND to have a playoff spot then A&M should’ve just taken care of business at home
Makes too much sense. The SEC should just stop crying and win games. Oh, and play 9 conference games like everyone else.
@@KeepChoppin I'd rather they schedule good teams out of conference instead of their usual slate of punching bags. If they're so dominant, why are they afraid to play anyone good outside the SEC?
Reputation means more than one the field results to them
You can’t fault a&m too much, that was game 1 of a brand new head coach.
@@ImChazo But you want to fault ND for Game 2 with a new QB and OL just getting their bearings.
I swear to god the manufactured drama of the CFP polls every week is worse than the Trump/Kamala polls we all suffered through the last year.
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It’s real drama my guy
Yet you still tuned in for it. Exciting times!
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IMO Indiana with a close loss to the #2 team in the country on the road should get in the playoffs.
Would make sense and Indiana would definitely get exposed in the playoffs
This is why games are played. We’ll see how each team stacks against each other.
Indiana has played half the teams from last years 4 team playoff. They can't control Michigan & Washington falling off a cliff.
If you want to make that argument, fine. But they still haven’t played anyone. Regardless of what they did/didn’t know, their schedule is still awful.
And OSU is going to mop the floor with them when they finally play a good team.
They very much can control there out of conferance teams!
@chrisjones4702 and they can't call those quality wins either. It's not there fault. But can't say they beat the two playoff teams from last year like it means something because it doesn't. If the committee punishes teams for playing weak schedules it means more teams will schedule better teams which is what's better for us the viewer. Win win.
The 12 team playoff is outstanding. CFB needed this 20 years ago.
So many more teams are in it. And won't have a bunch of players sitting out during bowl games. Last year bowl games were boring.
Would a 10-2 Texas with their best win being at Vandy be more worthy of a spot than an 11-1 Indiana?
Texas and Tennessee have nearly identical records. The Texas schedule narrative is goofy.
Texas played the same teams as half of the other SEC team and they won in more dominant fashion.
I think Indiana deserves to get in. But picking Texas out specifically is wrong.
Why not compare it to Boise State instead?
Very valid question bro.
You could say the same thing about Penn State they haven't beaten anyone.
@@noelramirez1551 this is true also.
If they are so good quit whining and just play 12 Conference games and crown the SEC National championship at this point.
It’s a twelve team playoff. It used to be two teams, then four, now twelve! At some point we have to choose what we’re going to care about before we care about it. Lose two games? I can’t really feel sorry for any team.
This is short sighted take. With nil and transfer portal the SEC will gradually lose dominance as they're not the only schools with $$$.
Josh, bad take. If Indiana goes INTO THE SHOE and plays and loses by only a couple touchdowns (like UGA lost to Ole Miss, or Texas lost to UGA etc), then they will be in with 1 loss. Why? It's not just because they will have 1 less loss than a 2 loss 5th SEC team, it's because that 2nd loss of said SEC team was REALLY BAD. Vanderbilt?! Kentucky?! Arkansas?! LSU?! There are 3 highly ranked SEC teams in your "should be in" that not only have 2 losses but have BAD LOSSES. Keep dreaming HOMERS.
Since you don't understand football, when a team plays a big game or rivalry game they have a hangover game. Indiana literally had an extra week to prepare for OSU. They lose by 2 tds they should drop to 10. Those bad losses you mentioned nobody would want to play a week after a tough game. No such thing as a good loss or a bad loss no moral victories from a loss. Just like a win is a win. They won't penalize Oregon for barely beating Wisconsin. Say OSU obliterates the number 5 team should OSU be number 1? They would then have beaten two top 5 teams in a month.
The amount of arrogance and stupidity in this statement is so far off the fckn charts, it would be funny if it weren't just so damn sad! LMFAO!!!!!
@@greenman5255 Aww...deleting comments now, you & youtube, what a fckn joke.
Then play 9 conference games.
I think SEC should just play each other, and let's see how long that lasts.
There isn’t a single SEC team that wouldn’t want any B10 or B12 schedule lol
If the sec had teams in the league like Rutgers, Northwestern, and Purdue then it would make sense.
@@Lilroy-CanesMagicWe did in 2020 and one team won all their games.
Josh why even play these games anyway? Let’s just look at stats and play the games in xbox since wins and losses don’t matter. Whoever has the most 5 stars and nfl draft picks is the national champ. That sounds fun. I personally like March madness where teams that don’t really have a chance actually have a chance. I don’t agree that SEC is so much better than other conferences but even if i give you that point, isn’t it good that there are 4 guaranteed posts for BIG B12 ACC GR5? Otherwise just have an SEC end of year tournament….Every SEC gets in with a single elimination and self declare the winner the national champ. The best team doesn’t always win and certainly not in a single elimination tournament. I like the playoff personally. Get rid of the byes if you want. Give 4 SEC teams byes if you want. I really don’t care. I just like a multi team tournament where every team has a chance. But if we’re only going to count stats and nfl draft picks what’s the point in playing any game ever?
Texas schedule is as bad as Indiana. The point of a playoff is to determine a champion since the teams don’t normally play each other. You don’t know the SEC is that good until the playoff is over. We heard this in 2014. No need to have a playoff. The top 4 teams are in The SEC West. What happened. The Big 10 rolled right through it come bowl season. All 4 top SEC west teams lost. It will sort itself out. If Texas loses another game with their schedule I do not feel bad for them if they get left out. You can’t lose to every top team you play and then claim to be the best because you only lost 2 games. People are advocating for 3 loss teams. Get out of here. Also the other conferences are playing 9 conference games. Come one SEC. Play 9 so some of these 2 loss teams will get a 3rd loss and settle itself.
Good teams,beat bad teams. A bad loss should weigh a lot more if we are being honest. Every Saturday counts.
The only reason that there are automatic bids is to prevent the SEC from getting more teams in
Bingo! Funny how few folks get it. The auto bids also keep it from being solely based on rankings.
Then tell me how the other championship goes? Huh yea they too have automatic bids.
Boo hoo. How horrible that teams outside of a 8 state group have a team that can get in. SEC is just a bunch of fucking cry babies.
@@Dnash50 who cares. Not what anyone is talking about.
There has to be a reward for winning a conference. Every NFL division winner gets in. Its the same in every sport.
"You know South Carolina right now is the seventh best team in the SEC, they'd probably go win the Big 12"
Things SEC homers say for a $1,000, Ken
Your take is hyperbole. I'd say SC is the 6th best SEC team and they most definitely wouldn't be favored against the field to win the BIG 12 as you are implying. You should consult your friends at FanDuel for the odds. If you'd said there are no BIG 12 teams that would be favored over SC right now I wouldn't have a beef. But that's not what you said. You went full-homer mode and crowned SC the hypothetical BIG 12 conference champions like they'd be two TD favorites over every team in the BIG 12. That's ridiculous. The BIG 12 is loaded with teams capable of beating SC.
Should’ve kept it at 4, and just made all the teams play an nfl type schedule.
Id rather argue over 10, 11, and 12
I knew that with a 12 team playoff people's biggest gripes would be 1. Too many SEC teams. 2. Notre Dame something something join a conference.
So call their bluff. Let them walk. They're ridiculous enough to cry about one or two of their members not getting in, then F THEM!
If certain teams in the SEC were not bowl eligible, you would still have people arguing they should be in the playoffs.
Kennesaw State has transitive wins over every team in the SEC.
Surely, they deserve a Playoff spot.
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They do have that one big upset win against Liberty...
@@gk5891 Kennesaw > Liberty > ECU > Old Dominion > Georgia State > Vanderbilt > Alabama > Georgia > Tennessee > etc.
Kennesaw State definitely has a CFP caliber resume 😉
his is precisely the logical absurdity of the Bi 10 and Bi 12
@@drwinstonOboogiKevin Bacon?
No way that I think any team is lost three games should be in the college playoffs no matter what conference they come from
As much as I love Late Kick I feel like ever since the 12 Team Playoff was announced and despite multiple times saying that he would accept it once it’s here, I feel like Josh hasn’t accepted it.
the goal of the playoff is not to get the 12 best teams. it's to find the best team. so don't think of who should be in, but think of who should be out. if you finish 5th in your conference, even the SEC, then you've proven you're not the best team. go enjoy your bowl. and if the SEC leaves they will regret it faster than the Rose Bowl (Big 10 & Pac 12) did not joining the BCS.
I really dont care, Josh. Y'all seem to want it both ways. When the Big Ten was expanding nationally, SEC homers said it would be too tough on teams and the SEC regional conference was easier. Now that SEC, not even at 9 conf games, has played itself into the bottom half of the Top 12 despite preseason bias, it is the SEC is better tougher by far.
I dont care. The thing I care about with these larger conferences is that teams get a fair shot at a playoff. 4 AQ bids for a 20 team conference is fair. Then internally decide through scheduling, CCG, and tie breakers who your 4 are. But limiting these larger conferences to less than 4 or going 5 or more is too much.
It also helps with recruiting now you can be a Boise state and tell high rated recruits hey we have a shot of making the playoffs same with the B12 and ACC with this playoff format compared to the old one where there was no chance.
So based off your nonsense.. its better to not play tough teams so you can be undefeated in the top 12
There is no reward for tough schedules..?? Isn't that the point
Apparently, all Heisman winners and candidates should come from the SEC according to Pate's logic.....Travis Hunter and Ashston Jenty stats don't matter because they aren't against SEC teams.
So you’re saying the SEC will bitch about the same thing that FSU bitched about last years. But cause they are doing it, it’s ok? Granted FSU lost their QB. But again how can they expect to have it both ways AND NOT be accused of being biased or having bias for the SEC as a whole? They signed up for this and they need to accept any outcome. Just like every other team/conference has in the past.
Clearly we have to expand to 16 teams, that’s the solution, I mean that’s what they told me about 12, surely they’ll be right this time
“Light years difference” is a bit of an exaggeration no?
Look… at the start of the season, all we heard is, “Oh, GA’s just on another level from all the other teams!” Now, with 2 losses, “Oh, it’s just that so many SEC teams are sooo good, and that means more of them should be included in the playoff!”
You guys were crowing about how good LSU had become (despite a first-game loss to middlin’ USC)… and gee, now we come to find they’re kinda crap.
Who cares if the SEC has more pretty good teams than other conferences?
They’re the ones who started this conference carousel in their quest for more teams, bigger TV and more cash.
Besides, next year the Big 10 may have Washington & USC back on the rise, and that conference may have 6 or 7 pretty evenly matched teams - it doesn’t mean they’re all great and all should get in the playoff.
Josh has become so ubiquitous, that he’s lost his objectivism. Back to seeing SEC-only greatness.
Exactly! GA, Bama, Ole Miss, Tennessee are all very beatable by any good team.
Chaos rules. Schedule ND with any 3 SEC teams a season.
Have them play 3 big 10 teams, 3 ACC teams, 3 SEC teams, and 3 big 12 teams and see how they fare against each conference
@NikolaiG8 Drop it to 2 of each conference so they can keep thier rivalries with Army & Navy
Gladly. Roll Tide
ND will handle easily
@@jasonz3679 yep
The Big 10 is weaker?
And yet they have 4 of the top 5 ranked teams.
Yea, that's weak.
SEC whining never stops. WHO decided to expand the SEC several years ago so they could "dominate?" Well even if they have the top 10 teams in the country, they will eliminate themselves. This was their own choice.
You made your bed, you lay in it
So it’s the SEC’s fault that the other conferences aren’t competitive enough to the point that they allow 80% of the conference to be disorganized?
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@@CB-ny8zg how con other leagues compete if the Sec and big 10 are constantly poaching teams from them?
@@TRAYTRAYOLAY9 Why are other conferences unable to keep their teams satisfied? You can point a million fingers, but it really doesn’t make sense to point fingers at the conferences who were just doing too much too good. And if you really want to get into the weeds, the PAC 12 tried to poach the Texas schools and Oklahoma way before you ever saw Mizzou and TAMU play with a SEC sticker, but I don’t see people saying foul to that.
I usually agree with most of what he says. But if Indiana plays Ohio State close...sorry but not sorry. They should be in. I'm NOT trying to hear this narrative about a 5th team from the SEC whiners. When teams like Kentucky, Vanderbilt and Arkansas are beating these so called top tier teams in their own league is PROOF enough to me that these teams aren't unbeatable. You can't convince me otherwise...How are you not beating the teams your SUPPOSED to beat and then have a gripe about not getting in. If you had beaten those teams, then you may just have a solid argument. But not winning against those teams at the bottom of your conference leads me to believe that Indiana rightfully deserves a chance to play in the playoffs. Now if they get blown out by 17 or 21 pts against Ohio State...then you can make a case for the SEC whiners. But until then, this notion that they should have 5 teams falls on deaf ears.
Yes I wanted a playoff. But I wanted more teams in a playoff like fcs has.
I seconded this 24-team playoff is the way.
The SEC and Big 10 are the top 2 for sure. The Big 10 is very top heavy this year while the SEC is more even across the top half this year; you take your pick on which one is "better" and you can come up with solid rationale arguments either way. All the other conferences are middling at best, with a couple of potential outliers.
Its gonna be funny if Indiana makes the playoff and beats an SEC team. 😭😭😭
I hope Indiana makes it. Those kids worked their asses off.
@@GeraldMothershed Playing who?
The playoff was designed to have the conference champ and the best first loser from each conference be in and sprinkle in a couple teams that every says “yeah they’re damn good.”
It wouldn’t matter if the SEC had three 12-0 teams, some of yall would be out here railing on about how good the sixth place team is and why they’d be 12-0 in xyz conference. If the final four teams are all SEC, we give you your due royalty for this year.
SEC Bias at its finest. Your stuck in the past and need to understand it's a new era and you can thank the NIL, transfer portal for that. You can buy a championship team and be competitive and possibly go all the way to the naty.
Gotta love the conference bias... Texas (average every year in the Big12 joins the SEC and is leading the league). Same with Oregon in Big10, BYU in Big12, and SMU in ACC. There are good teams outside the bubble... you really need to consider that. No conference or team is elite, just because they were good in years past, or because they have good recruiting rankings. Got to show it on the field!
Agreed! Games will play themselves out. Guys acting like the field isn’t gonna be made up of all sec teams, as if any of the teams not it the top 5/6 in sec even still have a playoff chance.?! Like what does he want a basketball style confrence tournament for the SEC? Like Florida Arkansas or vandy should have a title shot???
@@lukaslacy5412 How long has Texas had Steve Sarkisian? Did Texas win the Big 12 last year in Sarks 3rd season? When Texas signed with the SEC and landed Steve Sarkisian they immediately improved their stock. Texas is not the same team today that they were even 3 years ago in Sarks first season.
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@@thomasallisonstabler3478I completely agree with you and there's other good and valid arguments, but some of these other people only see what they want to see. Sarkisian is why Texas is great again. The other person totally forgot about this.
What has Oregon done? Beat OS and what have they done? Just thank the SEC for beating up on each other allowing them the top spots since the poll is mainly based on wins since their conference is so weak.
So a 13-0 ACC conference champion can get left out and it’s fine but a 2 or 3 loss sec team being left out will cause you to basically co sign the sec LEAVING college football entirely as we know it? Everybody in the sec is just amazing all of them!!! Right Josh!!! This is SEC bias man you guys aren’t as brilliant as you think.
Let them go play with themselves if that's what they want. The giant sucking sound you'll hear will be all the 4- and 5-star recruits going to conferences with teams who aren't afraid of real competition. And the rest of us wouldn't have to hear all the chest-thumping by fans of 6-loss teams because they think being in the same conference as Georgia somehow makes them good.
It already happened last year when Georgia was left out!
And contrary to SEC fans' expectations, the world did not end and no one disputed Michigan's status as champions. And since the two best teams in the SEC got beaten in the semifinals, why would anyone think the 3rd-best would have done any better?
@@brucetucker4847It's all about matchups. That was Bama's worst team in 10 years.
4:52 NASCAR reference! Needed that in my life Josh, thank you
A&M lost to ND, LSU lost to USC, Florida lost to Miami... there's not a solid win out of conference. SEC team's have to show up in the play offs or this will age like milk.
Texas vs Michigan, Alabama vs Wisconsin. Georgia vs Clemson, Ole Miss vs Wake Forest. Florida will beat FSU.
@Byrd21590 vandy vs va tech too. If you're counting future wins then UGA vs georgia tech
You named 3 sec teams that aren’t currently in the playoffs per the rankings. There are 5 other sec teams with out of conference wins that are fighting for playoffs, bud.
@@Byrd21590 Clemson is the only one of those in the top half of their conference. Michigan and Wisconsin are not quality wins any more than a nonconference team beating Auburn or Miss. State would be a dominance-proving quality win.
Sounds like SEC needs 9 conf games so they can actually figure out who is good in that conf. We'd cut the 3 loss teams in half and not have any debate. Problem solved
Also any team that plays an FCS team in November should be disqualified.
I'm an Alabama alumni and I 100%agree with both of you!
Well, don't lose to unranked teams. Every SEC team except for Texas has at least 2 losses. Also they have losses to unranked teams: Alabama (Vandy), Tennessee (Arkansas), Ole Miss (Kentucky) and LSU (Florida).
Bring back the BCS computer and it will put together a playoff bracket.
The same one that had tcu as the 2010 national champion? The one that they don’t even count. The same tcu yall didn’t want in the 22 championship? Stop it.
@@Dnash50 yes the one everyone hated, who had LSU in over 1-loss USC. no system is perfect.
Yeah that worked out so well 😂
Been saying that for years. BCS rankings take the top 8 and random draw for seeding. Hit go. Will always get the best team in the country winning the national title. The BCS rankings werent perfect but it was good enough to put the best team in a group of 8.
@adamklosterman8960 the bcs was based on wins only, not strength of schedule or head to head quality wins over ranked teams they just took the 2 undefeated or 1 loss teams and put them in definitely a flawed system i would quit watching cfb if the bcs was back in play!!
Tells us there are no valid arguments from other conferences, then goes on to wildly speculate about who would beat who.
How can they wine about who they’d beat in other leagues when the SEC still plays 8 conferences games. IF they played 9 like everyone else there’d be more losses and this entire argument would be mute
How about the SEC playing a 9-Game conference schedule like the Big 12 and Big 10? That they only play 8 conference games is a Joke! To say otherwise discredits your knowledge of the game Mr. Pate. I can’t blame the SEC though; I’m sure every team in the Big-10/12 would love to play a “Mercer” or similar foe instead of another conference member if they could too. Especially in November! Playing another conference game would separate the log jam of two-loss teams.
@AlaskaRob24 did not Texas play Michigan, did not Bama play Wisconsin, did not Georgia play Clemson and Georgia Tech, did not Florida play Miami and Florida St. Your point is mot. Try again
People are complaining and a single playoff game hasn’t been played yet. Shoot, the end of the season hasn’t even played out yet.
Let it play out, just like we did with the 2015-2024 CFB playoff. Gave us a Big 10 upset of Bama year 1, and an amazing Bama vs Clemson series across 4 years.
Out of the 10 years, 2 Championship games were SEC vs. SEC. If they get 4-6 teams in, they’ll have a chance to prove the system doesn’t work by losing “0” CFBP games to other conferences.
You showing SEC bias without even knowing it. Saying any team from any conference could go win another conference is a hypothetical no merit. Then if i said well Oklahoma State beat Arkansas i would be laughed at. Point is those hypothetical points happen to much. The results only thing that matters year to year.
California beating Auburn. Notre Dame beating Texas A&M. Miami giving Florida its second-worst loss this season…
Miami demolished Florida. Florida barely lost to Georgia and Tennessee. Vandy lost to Georgia state. The SEC isn’t as good as they claim themselves to be. When GT beats Georgia and knocks them out of the playoff I will be dying laughing at how bad the SEC has fallen.
2 or 3 games left in the season and SEC teams are playing Mercer and Chattanooga, Arkansas school for the deaf
Just foolish not mentioning UMASS
Don't forget the 'Saginaw State Screaming Dentists'.
List the other teams as well Miami has played nothing but mercer all year.
Like Ohio St didn't play Akron, Western Michigan, Marshall or Oregon didn't play Liberty, Idaho
I am a fan of a non SEC team, but I watch a ton of college ball. GA, Bama, Ole Miss, TN, and the winner of Texas/A&M should be in if it’s actually the best teams in CFB
Notre Dame has the worst loss in the power 4 (not just the top 12). Ole Miss has a loss to LSU (who has the same record as Michigan). Tennessee lost to Arkansas and was blown out by Georgia. All 3 of those teams don't deserve to be in over a 1 loss Indiana. I'm sure if Bama looses the SEC championship, you will have them in with 3 losses. That sounds crazy to me. On top of all that; the SEC gets a November bye every year because they play an elementary school instead of the same amount of conference games as everyone else.
LSU is 6-4, Michigan is 5-5 that ain't the same 😂
I graduated from an SEC school and live in that state still. I used to love the SEC but their fans are making me cheer against them. They really think their 5th or 6th place team would win any other conference, and think they deserve about the spots. There is no way to discuss things logically with them, bc their sense of self worth is so grand. They are sooooo mad about the G5 spot in all of this. Even when I explain it keeps over half the schools abs fans invested and therefore keeps people watching, so we get the huge TV deals, they don't care. They just want all the spots
Almost everything you say is wrong. It's very obvious that you are in denial of how good the SEC is and has been each season the past 20 years. The BIG10 is very good too and has quite a few schools that are the same as SEC schools, but Indiana's schedule is a complete joke. Most ANY team in the top 20 would be undefeated with their schedule up to this point this season. Think logically right now.
How are you going to make the argument for Texas over Indiana if Texas loses to A&M. There best win would literally be the same as Indiana. Texas’ resume if they lose to A&M is hot garbage! They played the dumps of the SEC.
okay, the playoffs are the only way to test your hypothesis of sec dominance. let’s see how that works out…😊
It’s all about you Pate. College football and all the fans exist for you. Thanks for tolerating us in your world
If the Sec decides they want to take their ball go home then let them do it.
Good riddance. The rest of us won't have to put up with obnoxious fans of mediocre teams who think being in the same conference with an elite team somehow makes their team better than mediocre.
I don’t love the new playoff. I have fond memories of the BCS. I remember living or dying on every Penn State game in 2010 hoping they’d make a bowl game so I’d have a game to watch in January. But I’m curious to see how this works out.
As a gamecock im just glad we get a bowl game this year tbh. Let the other conferences play some SEC ball:)
NO, gamecocks must get in! they would probably even have a fair shot at wining the natty if they do
A&M nearly lost to unranked Bowling Green and unranked Arkansas and got blown out by SC. I'm supposed to be impressed?
Texas has 0 wins over ranked teams. I'm supposed to be impressed?
LSU lost to USC and is unranked. I'm supposed to be impressed?
Ole Miss lost to unranked Kentucky and previously mentioned unranked LSU. I'm supposed to be impressed?
Alabama lost to unranked Vanderbilt. I'm supposed to be impressed?
You act like these teams are on another level, unmatched outside the SEC, but on the rare occasions they play anyone of note outside the SEC, we see that they are in fact quite beatable. If they want to claim some level of superiority then they need to play good teams outside the SEC, and currently the only place that really happens is in the playoff. So save me the sob story about how the SEC deserves 7 teams in the playoff because they're the only worthy conference. BS.
Four regional 10-team conferences for the playoff. Nine conference games (complete round-robin). Three out of conference games - one each against the team from the other three conferences that finished in the opposite final standing from you the previous season (i.e. 1 vs 10, 2 vs 9, 3 vs 8, etc). Four auto bids w/bye go to the conference champs, four to the runners-up, four at-large from the remaining 32 teams. The other 94 teams play in the bowls. Notre Dame can spit or get off the pot...
Why 1 versus 10 of another conference who wants to see that and just keeps cupcake scheduling and have an sec champion whoop up on wake forest or the likes and awful non-conference games no one wants to see. The best should have to face the best of the other conference and on down the list like that as you'd get a fair comparison in season and be able to use that data when it comes time for selection Sunday. Other than that i think this model would work fine...but like that it leaves the issue cfb has long faced of teams considering themselves the best or being called that by winning games they should be winning and rarely if ever playing teams that can compete and go toe to toe with them
@@crammons7330 40 teams, blue bloods, in total. The likes of Wake Forest, Purdue, Northwestern, Miss St, etc, probably don't make the cut. Come in 10th, then you have to earn your way back to the top. No reward for mediocrity or failing. In fact... maybe there's a review board that moves the four worst teams out of the group of 40 every 4-5 seasons and brings in other squads that have overperformed amongst the "outside" group of 94. Can still get an auto bid if you make the conference championship game, even if your three out of conference games don't pan out so well..
The reason that there shouldn’t so much bias is simply that in the age of nil and transfer portal the talent is spread into other conferences making competition better throughout the game. Miami has several sec transfers which has made them better. As more time passes conferences will become more equally respected
@@timmclachlan3815 not if they keep locking them out of the post season
Why is everyone throwing a fit about 2 loss SEC teams when just last year the playoff committee snubbed an Undefeated FSU team? Like it’s ok to screw over ACC and B12 teams but not SEC teams? …
That fsu team lost 63-3 to Georgia in a bowl. We aren’t the same.
@KamronRashid You are a idiot to think the team that played was the same that chose not to play clown! . They all opted out after they didn't get in.
Not to mention, they almost lost to Florida last year and Florida wasn't even bowl eligible
You must be a child because that is a absolute horrible argument. They almost lost to Louisville, Florida, and got destroyed by Georgia. You have no clue sadly
@@caramelpop9427 Georgia almost lost to Kentucky this year… your point is?
SEC talk like it is still the civil war
Thank you
For years the same 2 schools have owned the SEC. Just like every other conference. Now those teams don’t dominate. Is every team is the SEC with 2 losses elite….or are they all Penn State this year?
So South Carolina can with the Big 12. But the former Big 12 team champ, Texas, is near the top of the SEC. 🤷🏾Let go of the conference bias.
Judge the teams as they are, not with the weight that the conference has done, because South Carolina is living off of the work UGA and Bama have done in the SEC for the last 15 years.
He's talking about this years SC team against this years Big 12 teams. And he's right. Sorry.
Texas has played one top sec team this year and lost to georgia. Vandy was there best win
"So South Carolina can with the Big 12. But the former Big 12 team champ, Texas, is near the top of the SEC."
I'm not sure what your point is. Texas did come from the big XII, as did Oklahoma. And the 2 of them were by far the most dominant teams of that conference. So yeah, when they left, the conference got a lot weaker.
Looking at some metrics, S Carolina would be favored to beat anyone in the Big 12 on a neutral field. That doesn't mean they would win it for sure...but it's certainly not an unreasonable take.
Preach
@@RamblingRob-vi7ctWell you all keep saying the SEC is so tough week in and week out😂
I think the SEC should have their own playoff and their own championship and let the other conference’s play in the politically motivated cfb.
I think they call it the regular season.... how about adding the 9th game in conference instead of 1 AA teams.
@@aaroncollins4502your favorite school wouldn’t make it through an SEC 8 game stretch let’s not just lie to ourselves for whatever reason. Also, those smaller schools depend on that 1 game per season for revenue within their athletic dept.
Did Michigan beat Alabama last year ? Did Washington beat Texas last year ? You can crown the sec as the best but that’s why the games are played . Both are big ten teams . And played each other in the ship . Enough said
@@stevenpulido9308 see this is why I can’t take you people seriously. The argument is conference depth and a cumulative tough schedule week in and week out. Spare me the BS about one time matchups. You think Michigan or Washington go undefeated with an SEC schedule? That’s a resounding hell no, and if you say otherwise, you’re just a fool.
@@spankyjohnson2The SEC lost in the playoffs last year when it mattered most. Both Texas and Bama lost in the playoffs. That’s not a BS argument. The BS argument is what your clown ass is doing by tossing hypotheticals and SEC homerism up in the air and saying ‘Hah, I’m better than you in this alternate reality’ and then take their ball and go home. You’ll get your butts kicked in come December and then try to break off from CFB to do your own little stupid thing.
If the SEC wants to go, goodbye! Go do your own thing. CFB will continue to be great without you. Can’t allow them to hold the entire sport hostage.
You have no clue unfortunately. If the SEC goes, the BIG10 will also go, and a number of other big- time football schools will join also. It'll become the super league with 4 quadrants basically. If your team isn't one of the ones in it, then you won't be enjoying it as you do currently... unless you're cool with your school basically playing for an NIT championship. That could still be exciting, but not as good as the big- boy schools
Watch how this fckn ages - guess you watch the WNBA too huh?
Josh, respectfully, you picked Bama and Texas last year in the playoff. You play the game, and reward teams for not losing.
Josh is 200 percent right. Im a big ten fan and i still think we need 5 sec teams in. Let the best teams in. If the b12 or acc wants more teams in they need to invest more and then schedule and beat sec teams in the non con. Simple as that.
If you went back the last 10 years and made it a 12 team playoff based on the end of year results before the bowls, the SEC only would get more than 3 teams in 2 years. Add in texas and Oklahoma and that changes in some years. My point is even with Texas and Oklahoma, 4 is the average amount, so i don't know why they would get so mad if that's what they get.
@@GR-bn3xjI don't know where you get your info from, but it's completely wrong.
Finally someone reasonable
@@soboredrn-v8e they have though. Look at miami, based on uf they are better than every sec team yet they get no respect for a dominant win that should be easy for the mighty sec to replicate or even exceed. But no sec team can, even when uf is injured and on the road! So no scheduling and dominating an sec schools does nOt matter…
@@SurferRC Ok but uf is not that good. If clemson beat uga they woudve been top ten.
A computer model for power rankings with prior data and one without prior data should be added into the committee, as well as a computer that aggregates those two models and spits out its own top 25 ranking, getting 1/15th of the vote.
@@travissullivan6575 So… kinda like the BCS? Lol
@@Scotti-i3dwhich is what the committee already does. They use the Hancock matrix and its rules can be found if you do some digging.
The current system is more like the BCS than you think, just a different model and committee that refuses to explain it
You have no argument if you lose 1/4 of your games. You can try but no one will take you seriously.
They wanted it to make the money like pro sports but they still wanted the players for free and the conferences and a zillion teams. With the nil deals we're hearing about we're finally hearing how much money was already being funneled to top stars. It's impossible to believe it wasn't, it just wasn't above board. There's no reason to think it still isn't.
In the end it will gravitate towards about 25 teams in a few power conferences and make their own pro league making even more money. It's what they want.
The SEC seceding from the college football union would be pretty ironic
100% agree with you it’s literally Big Ten and SEC on top than everyone else. People would argue with you but it’s reality. Majority of the spots will have teams from SEC and Big Ten. Every other conference will get 1 or 2 teams in.
I would love for the SEC to leave and have their own conference championship be the end of their football season. That would be absolutely great! I like having a national championship playoff with a multitude of teams from different conferences it makes it really interesting
SEC - kick Vandy & Mizzou
ADD - North Carolina, Clemson, West Virginia, Florida St.
- Break Away & crown our own National Champion
Oh Pate, love you bud…but you forgot to mention the SEC only has to play 8 conference games. Other leagues are are playing inter-conference opponents in November while we have Alabama vs Mercer, Georgia vs Umass? Come on now!
Have you seen the opponents Miami, Notre Dame, and Indiana have to play?
Georgia just went through the hardest schedule in all of CFB and they played Clemson, They can play a couple cupcakes too lol. Meanwhile all the B1G plays their cupcakes at the start of the season while the SEC is playing conference games. It goes both ways man.
Your logic is that of a child unfortunately. Bama and Georgia both have schedules ranked in the top 7, so there is no need to add another game. Every season the SEC has around 10 teams with the toughest top 25 schedules... and this is with ONLY 8 conference games; while some of your other conferences play 9 conference gms and still don't have the toughest schedules. I wish some of you people could learn how to think or debate with facts
@@MrBlarginFlargyou can't argue with biased, naive, or clueless people unfortunately. I totally agree with what you say, but some will never understand unfortunately
@@nikhilnagboth8425 They're all much tougher than Mercer.
have the top SEC and Big 10 teams have their own playoff for conference champion and winner of each play for the world title.This would deemphasize the regular season while allowing for much more interesting out of conference games during the season
If the SEC (or any other conference) wants to have more than half the slots in the playoff, they need to schedule more and better OOC games so the alleged total dominance is proven on the field before the playoff teams are selected. As it stands now it's all completely hypothetical, and against that complete hypothetical you have the cold, hard fact of one loss versus three or more losses. If South Carolina wants a playoff spot despite being the 7th best team in the SEC, they can either win more of their games or do something more outside the conference than beat up on Wofford, Old Dominion, and Kentucky. Until then, five slots out of twelve is enough for any conference no matter how much chest-thumping the 3-, 4-, and 5-loss teams in that conference do.
As for the SEC "going and doing its own thing," what do you imagine that would be? Canceling all their OOC games except their habitual FCS punching bags, boycotting the playoff, and crowning the SEC champion as the one true world champeen of college football? That would be a joke and would cost the SEC a lot more respect, recruiting, and revenue than it would cost anyone else. If they really want to play that game, let them leave, the rest of CFB would be better off without them.
South Carolina plays Clemson nice try tho
If Indy loses, they are out.
Depends how they lose if they lose by 7 or less. The same as penn state and they have to play at ohio state. I dont see how you can leave indiana out and penn state in
@@jwolf2254 Penn State's strength of schedule is about 20 places higher than Indiana's, that's how. But I'd put any 1-loss B1G team in over a 3-loss SEC team anyway. Wins and losses matter more than the BS test.
@ yea you can say penn states schedule is tougher but thats kind of lazy. They also play absolutely no one. Its getting raised up by west virginia
Guy trying to justify his take the 12 team was bad when it's obviously awesome for the sport as 20+ teams still alive in week 11 . Notorious for saying things without actual saying things. Well played JP 1:16
20+ teams “alive” but how many can realistically win it?
@@kjobrien942any one of them can. That’s the point. The top 4 model only 2 were ever realistically winning. Nobody thought tcu would beat Michigan and they not only beat them, they held them to 6 points in 1 half. Then forgot how to play tcu ball against Georgia. But yall think keeping it small makes a better championship no.
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SEC take your ball and go home tired of the whining Josh.
By the logic you used for Indiana, if Texas loses to Texas A&M should Texas be in? Who’s their best win against?
Here we go with the sec crying. If they wanna leave, let em leave. I don't hear anyone talking about number 3 Texas. What's their best win so far? Michigan?
Stop crying. Let em go.
As the sec plays their recovery games against teams like north southern New Mexico to finish the regular season…
Alabama, Texas, A&M, and Ole Miss all close out with nothing but SEC matchups. SC plays Clemson. Georgia has had the toughest schedule in college football. Make it make sense
you will be quiet when there are 3 sec teams in the semifinals
Recovery games 😂 as if these high ranked teams in other conferences wouldn’t become 7-5, 6-6 teams in the SEC. Get out there with that nonsense, must be nice to play “recovery games” the entire season just to get shit on in the playoffs.
Imagine being smart enough to schedule non-bye week bye weeks.
And meanwhile other teams are scheduling all their warm-up games at the beginning of the season to game the poll inertia by not having to play any big time games until late October while SEC teams are instead carrying the sport by scheduling important games to start the season.
The way you describe the SEC makes them sound a spoiled child of a rich couple . If they dont get their way, they are taking their toys somewhere else and playing
Let them go, and then let them learn what happens when you stomp off in a funk and lose 80% of the fans in the country. In ten years they'll be losing to those FCS creampuffs they like stomping in November.
If your conference were in the same situation, you'd be rooting for them to leave too... stfu!!!!
I’m a Texas fan saying this S. Carolina is a scary team. Defensively top tier
Honestly, nowadays, offensively as well
@ true, especially if their QB is playing well. He is a difference maker
@@martintrejo1950 Crazy to think about. He was not exactly stellar in the beginning, but he has rapidly improved
The way I see it a 11-1 non sec team should be in over a 10-2 SEC team every single time. BUT if it’s a 10-2 non sec team and a 10-2 SEC team then SEC team gets the auto tiebreaker win
How does that make sense? SEC only plays 8 conference games and is dodging losses. It's sickening that this is allowed to happen.
Makes it 16 and make 9 conference games the rule. Conference champs get home games.
Another point about strength of schedule that often gets overlooked, is by the time the teams arrive at the finish line the SEC teams have gone through a gauntlet. Like Josh said earlier in the year there’s a difference between getting punched in the mouth one time versus five or six times in a season. Indiana is a great example. They only have to prepare for one game their whole season.
Why don't the SEC just have its own bowl game
The Pellagra Bowl?
I've been saying for a while that NIL will eventually be the end of SEC competitiveness because you can't make money selling shirts and shoes to people who don't wear shirts or shoes.
Let the SEC do their own playoff with just themselves. So tired of Greg Sankey and his complaining. Texas most overrated team in the top 10 by far