This is super super SUPER problematic and uncomfortable. Read up on the "one drop rule" in the US--basically that if you had "one drop" of African blood in your history you were basically immediately excluded from any sort of white privilege, no matter how many white relatives you may have or how "white" you presented. It's why it was such a big deal when Lena Horne--who could have "passed"--very firmly refused to disavow that part of her heritage and owned her Blackness. This completely brings to mind that awful social environment of "hmmm, are they REALLY white?" and the consequences of being found out as nonwhite...and the whole thing just gives me all-over yikes hives.
Yeah, and with race being made up as an excuse for slavery!.. Sure there were light-skinned slaves, the word itself comes from Slavic peoples who were bought and sold, but the concept of race is inextricably tied to the Atlantic slave trade.
Jubilee has a lot of problems. From my experience it tends to take a “centrist” approach on a lot of issues and ends up platforming bigotry. They’ve had a couple of terfs and misogynistic “alpha males” on while treating their opinions as completely valid. I have not watched too many of their videos, but from what I’ve seen, they are a red flag
@@blaireshoe8738 Despite it’s seemingly vague and indifferent implication, human connection actually means “a deep bond that's formed between people when they feel seen and valued”. If there is a phrase that means the exact opposite of that, then I would say that perfectly describes their comment sections 😅😂
Corrine: When I get pulled over, the first thing that goes through my mind....I'm gonna be okay. This would be the comment that would have me voting for her. The thing about being white is that you don't think about whether or not you'll be okay when you get pulled over, you assume you will and it doesn't cross your mind
I disagree with that. I'm a white woman (super pale and blonde even) and when I get pulled over I remind myself that I'm statistically unlikely to get shot. The police are just out of control in the US and no one really feels completely safe from them.
Honestly, what passes my mind as a white person is: "I hope the fine isn't too high. Maybe I can blink cutely. Maybe if I act like I don't know what I did wrong they'll feel sorry" But non whatsoever on my safety. And I hate that there are people that should worry for their safety. These moments make me really aware of how priviledged I am. Also, cops in the Netherland aren't as bad as they are in the USA. Actually, most are quite alright here. Although, how should I know, I'm white..
I felt uncomfortable watching that - but now am wondering what it would be like to watch a 'spot the white person' or 'spot the fake person of colour' episode. Something tells me they wouldn't have got as far as Fariha did, but who knows.
@@msjkramey Oh, I had no idea (as I actually never watch that channel), thanks for letting me know. I was indeed curious - but I don't think I'll make myself watch that, anyway (unless, of course, Shaaba also made a video about it).
There's a guy named Kevin Langue who does these all the time on his channel. Find the secret white person, find the secret black person. Maybe it's funny because it's a panel of black guys doing the guessing?
As a white person I would feel extremely uncomfortable participating in a “spot the fake person of color” game. It seems like cultural appropriation at the best and racist stereotyping at worst.
5:40 I think she meant "(for) being white, I (still) have a good palette" ... Like white folks will say this "I have a good heat tolerance for a white person" I personally have a good heat tolerance. I love spice and wasabi
The fact that they don't understand that they made a game out of a person of color secretly pretending to be while while in a group of white people, mimicing past generations were a lot of people of color were only able to survive by pretending to be white. The whole concept of the game shows that they are not as aware of the history of racism as they ought to be. If they had been, they would have known that this video is very distasteful. As for their question of "what's the most white thing about you" I would have had a really good answer. Back when the LDS genealogy files first went online, it was free, and I traced my ancestors back as far as I could, to 1465, in England, a man named Thomas Whitebread. I kid you not, I am so white I am literally a descendent of Mr. Thomas Whitebread. Lol. True story, though 🍞
I’m mixed race (white/middle eastern) and white-passing. This made me so uncomfortable in such a weird way… First, the game being “let’s find the POC” is absolutely unhinged. But being someone who people were once comfortable saying racist things in front of… it’s just extra icky. There are DEFINITELY better ways to get perspective from people.
Ooo I'm sure they also did the reverse with guess the one white person. Would be so interesting if you could react to that one too then compare please! ❤😊
They did, yeah; I remember...I think it was Jarvis Johnson? Reacting to "guess the white person" with the rest of the group being black. In person with blindfolds for that one.
I thought it was interesting that Corinne sailed through the first round (that’s as far as I’ve gotten). She has probably spent her life studying the majority population around her and figuring out how to fit in, both consciously and subconsciously. The fact that she’s so good at it at this point is honestly an indictment on society. None of the actual white people have ever had to think about that, and it shows! They were all kinda fumbly at it, to one degree or another. Corinne was like, “I have not only prepared my research, but i have been training for this my entire life. Let’s fricking do this!”
As a white person, I am proud of my family culture. Im proud of my Pacific Northwest Culture. Im proud of my Dutch culture (dad is an immigrant). This is different from pride in the identity of whiteness itself. White people can have cultural pride, but it isn’t white pride. Many people should learn this difference. It’s the difference between appreciating your own culture and traditions, and being a white supremacist. I also definitely don’t think my cultural ties are more important than others. I love sharing and learning about others micro (family) and macro (ethnic or place of origin) cultures.
omg, this... is umm a high Ick factor. never saw this Jubilee episode and am so glad to have Shaaba's take on this. the whole "Yea, we won!" thing did sound like celebration of whiteness although the were prolly just celebrating the W and some cash, I might have missed this if not for Shaaba's commentary.
I feel like this video concept would have worked better, if it had been that they're only allowed to talk about their lives and past experiences, not bringing up something like ancestry DNA. And then nobody was allowed to lie. Because then it becomes more about wow look at how much all of us have in common. And it also gives more artistry than just how many lies can I come up with to blend in with this group and becomes how can I finesse the parts of my life that are true to match up with what these people are saying or, how much can I find in common with this group of people And, side note: I totally thought this video was going to be about like find the white presenting POC before the part about their videos being turned off came up
In the olden days, before they had to adapt to the changing times, Mormon missionaries swore that as black people learned about Mormonism they actually became whiter. Black people weren't allowed 'the priesthood' until the mid 1970s.
This reminds me of a historical document that claimed if a white person and a black person had a baby they would be stripey like a zebra 😂 Some historical perceptions of whiteness were also more about attitude and behaviour than skin colour. For example, Chinese people were considered white until their government did something to fall out of favour and the new "yellow" race was created for them.
I have an interesting view on things. I'm white, but also trans FtNB and pass as male. The things I've seen, heard and experienced in general was off the wall weird for me. Some still say the N word "in private" and really are down on migrants of color and such. This was really weird, eye opening, and informative! Thank you Shaaba!
as a white, jewish, non-binary trans person... EWWWWWWW!!! This is so ridiculous. While there were some good points made (ie f*ck discrimination) overall, the concept is so gross. I might be more bias because although I am white, I am also ethnically Jewish which comes with its own discrimination. I remember the thinly veiled outrage my parents had when the first POC people moved onto my block when I was a kid. Or the stories of my grandparents crossing Queens Blvd when they saw black people coming towards them and it made me sick then (90s and early 00s) Now, 20-25 years later, it makes me sick to think that oh we can definitely tell if someone is a POC by the way they answer questions over the course of 20 minutes. Please stop Joo balee.
This is interesting to me, as most people I met would automatically think of me as just white British going back to the Saxons or Celts or whoever. However, my great grandparents were Jewish Ukrainian and moved to the UK in 1912, so genetically I am partially Jewish Ukrainian (along with a mix of lots of other things). I never met my grandad (who was the last person in our immediate family to identify as Jewish) and our family surname was changed to be "less foreign" in the 50s when my auntie started school due to xenophobic sentiments post world war two. I feel that this has protected me from discrimination (particularly antisemitism and xenophobia directed towards Eastern Europeans in the UK in recent years), but also meant that I'm completely disconnected from my predecessors culture. I'd like to visit the Manchester Jewish museum (specifically linked to the history of families like mine) and also eventually trace back wherever they came from in Ukraine (although not possible at the moment for obvious reasons) as an attempt to reconnect with their culture. However, I don't feel like I can ever truly understand the perspectives of people like you who have grown up with the culture and everything that comes with that.
As someone who is the equivalent of 50 shades of white crayon melted together, my whitest trait is needing spf 100+ sunscreen lmaooo Fr though something feels so wrong about this (and many other) jubilee videos
I def get it from an outsider perspective, but Texas being more diverse is a good call. Like it's one of The Most Diverse states. A lot of the south west, and south in general, is. My mom is from upstate NY and then moved to New Mexico, and Texas after that, both were A LOT more diverse. (That's the only thing I'm commenting on here cause the original video concept is skeevy as heck and all other commentary is entirely on point, and even this isn't A Thing, it just made me realize that the perspective on places like Texas from outside the US might be real different.)
I think Jubilee videos are a lot more fun when they're about things you have a choice in, e.g. vegans or people who have had sex. When it's about something as innate and inescapable as identity, it starts to feel more about stereotyping and profiling.
Kinda doubt they intended it, but the uncomfortableness is probably a good thing; it really showcases how when whiteness is used as a privilege that even it can be taken away on a whim when someone's looking for a mark. Doesn't mean white and lighter-skinned people don't have advantages, but it does mean that people who pass as white can suddenly just not when the wind blows a certain way and have their "whiteness" taken away.
Excellent examples of this are Irish and Italian people (amongst others) being considered "non-white" in the past, also even in the video they universally decided that Japanese and Korean people weren't white for some reason.
I don’t even know what to think other then if you want to have a conversation about what “white” even means or looks like and racial stereotypes and all that kind of thing, there are other ways to do that. Also I’m a cis white woman who’s lived in Canada my whole life so I’m coming from a very privileged position on this so giant pinch of salt here
The mentioning friends who are BIPOC individuals thing- I feel like there was at least one question in here where the fact that my best friend isn't white would actually be relevant and not just a call out to the fact that she isn't white. The questions about white culture. Love my bestie to pieces, but whenever she comes across a video of someone who happens to be white doing something stupid, she asks me to answer for my people. I do feel like "white culture" as one blanket, shared thing is a popular opinion OF white people in North America.
yeah esp since she said specifically for UT, which is probably one of the most diverse schools in the country lol. i understand that non-americans probably are unaware though
I'm left wondering what the outcome and conversation would have been if the numbers were switched i.e. "root out the white person"! (I'm white, cis-female disabled lesbian). The way this was set up did make me think about white-passing, and the ideas of whiteness as "pure European heritage". I also think the US setting has an impact - white North Americans tend to put more weight on their cultural / racial heritage than white Europeans. As a white European, I do find myself wondering how I would feel watching a "One of these people is disabled" video! Especially as our disabled identities are questioned and undermined so readily. I also wonder what it would be like to have a "one of these people is GRT" (Gypsy / Roma / Traveller), as one of the most excluded and discriminated against groups in Western Europe. Lots to think about - thanks Shaaba!
Jubilee did have one where the numbers were swapped, five black people and a white person. The white person won there, but it was complicated because it felt like Jubilee went out of their way to pick a white person who grew up in a majority-black part of...I think LA? So their natural mannerisms and speech came off like a white person trying to act black, but where they grew up didn't come up until the end of the video, almost like Jubilee wanted it to be a gotcha. Like "you thought this white guy was just putting on a blaccent to win the game, but it's how he actually speaks!!! Now who's the real racist????" Jarvis Johnson reacted to that one if you want to take a look without supporting Jubilee's whole...weirdness.
@@talilissai3563I thought romany gypsies were a distinct ethnic group of travellers? Happy to be corrected by any travellers though with what this ethnic group would prefer to be called.
Their euro-centric perception of whiteness was highlighted by their perception of Japanese and Korean people being non-white without question. Some ethnically Japanese/Korean people are whiter than some white European people.
I like the jubilee videos where its like 'who doesnt like harry potter' and stuff like that but things like this where it is an intrisnic(?) Part of an individual like gender, sexuality and race feels like it is only going to make people pull on stereotypes because unless you are purely focusing on those how could you even TRY to find the 'fake'
If by "Latina" one means "for South America", a lot of South Americans are white. The continents was colonized by Spaniards and later on a lot of people from Southern Italy migrated there, especially in Argentina.
As a "passing" woman of color (honestly more culture wise than percentage wise, I'm first generation American on my mom's side) I would be interested in seeing this done with a photo and voice. Would they suddenly switch from background to looking for skin tone and eye shape?
I definitely think "Corinne"/Fariha gave herself away by asking about whether others were proud to be white. I think it's pretty well known, within liberal/leftist white people at least, to never bring up pride & whiteness in the same conversation, let alone the same sentence. We can be proud of many different parts of our identity, but even to try to argue that there is something about belonging to a race of people who have committed atrocities, regularly have individuals display entitlement & bigotry, along with our gov prioritizing white citizens over POC citizens daily, its pretty glaring that the shame & guilt would overcome any pride should we amplify our whiteness as part of our identity. Sure, it should always be recognized, but kept at arms reach, like having a peanut allergy or being an alcoholic.
I think you're coming from a very American point of view with your statement. And while I appreciate your reasoning, you might want to consider that not every person in this Jubilee video was American, not everyone who watches Shaaba is American and that the amount of white people living outside the US is greater than within. This is some sort of "privilege" I find quite often in Americans: they tend to forget the world is much bigger than the US. I don't mean to offend. I apologize if I did. I'm just hoping to spread some awareness. Much love 💖
@@shiroganetsuki9634I think that’s really interesting. “Corinne”/ Fariha did say she was American, though, so I think it’s probably fair to use standards of what is socially/ morally accepted in the United States.
@@shiroganetsuki9634I am not American but I' not proud of my whitness (I'm not ashamed of it eather for the record). It's something completly neutral unlike my nationality to me.
As a white american, I would 100% ask that question knowing it might derail people from guessing the "correct" person because it gives me joy to listen to people try to figure out how to answer it on this show when they're trying to pretend they're all white. But I will admit it feels like a very American problem to experience white supremacy from people around you and feel thoroughly disgusted with that and it feels like you're in the minority for not agreeing with that supremacist ideology. Realistically our country has gotten thoroughly polarized and we have got to stop this before we tear ourselves apart.
Hi Shaaba, Nara here. White Agender blob. I found it really interesting to watch your reaction to this video. When I watched it I didn't cringe nearly as hard because it made sense they were all trying to get money regardless of the messy context/implications of the game. But I do see how they are basically saying Yay I won money because I am white, which is ugh. It is interesting to me because I found a lot of good in Jubilee's debate videos and yet they can get it wrong in this way, despite honest intentions. I also appreciate you giving me another perspective in the context of content creation. I tend to cut creators a lot of slack because I know these cringey videos help make them enough money for the more important and educational videos they do. This is a good reminder to stay aware of even the subtle racism that I might miss because it doesn't affect me as directly as say transphobia. I may not doubt their intentions but I can certainly see how the result missed the mark.
As an American, I love how people of all cultures, religions, skin colors etc. have mixed and changed the DNA of millions of people to include everyone. Is that complete? Nope, we have a long road to go, and we are still mixing & mingling as we go ❤❤❤
I think Kristen was just saying that her American accent + living abroad might make people think she is an American of non-white origin. She must not know how common it is for Americans (and everyone) to live abroad. She might also assume that her accent and/or dialect defaults to white. Still not great! But I'm p sure she knows there are white people outside the U.S. lol.
I mean, what stuff like this shows is that stereotypes may have a kernel of truth to them but they do not make a person. Stereotypes are not bad per se, they do serve a purpose, it's just when we use stereotypes to judge a person and don't look past the stereotypes that they become a problem. It also shows that people are biased - even if people think they are not. If you are shocked about being though of as BIPOC, there is probably some negativity towards BIPOC there. Also, I didn't check, but I venture a guess that they did not try the other way around. That would be like digital blackface. 😶🌫
I don't know if you were serious about Married At First Sight but if you were, oh my gosh, I've been watching it too! Mildly hyperfixating at the moment because these reality TV shows are so trashy and over-dramatised and I don't normally like them but I'm so invested and I just want the best for these people. Like, yes, you tell him, Caitlin.
I feel like they're trying to make a point of "see how we make assumptions and how people don't actually fit in boxes so easily?" with these videos, but they get there in a weird way in the way they gamify certain topics 😐 You know what they say about good intentions
Yes, this video is uncomfortable. What I missed most was Fariha's debrief, how she actually felt about it immediately after and later, after agreeing to the conceit and then 'failing'. At least really appreciated how strategic she was - it would have been worse to see a less aware (or self-hating PoC) succeed at this game. All this being said, I think I would absolutely watch the inverse video - with only one white person. It is the more interesting scenario and it mirrors the pressures of real life less. Sincerely a mixed person
Honestly, I feel like videos like that where they just put strangers on the internet for clout seems very problematic. I’m also looking at it from the perspective of “I live in Alabama if you took someone off of the street who wasn’t some level of societally oppressed and intersectional, then you would more than likely have the equivalent of a bunch of frat boys that drive lifted trucks.” But honestly especially with the county I grew up in there is a high level of microagressions, even when people aren’t trying to be racist, which really I feel like a more accurate name for it is passive aggressive bigotry. I’m part native on my dad’s side and - aside from my dad- the least white looking of my immediate family, but because there’s a very “You work outside, play outside, stay outside.” Culture, especially growing up in a rural area, the whole “You’re just tan year around.” Thing is typically attributed to that or using a tanning bed, not necessarily your race. There’s also this weird culture that a lot of my mixed friends experienced in high school where mixed people just get called by the other race that they are and it’s actually horrendous to think that I participated in that. I had a good friend in high school who everyone just called Asian, despite her being mixed, and similarly a friend who we all just called Mexican, and it’s so weird. Granted some people who had more common names, like Austin and Tyler, would get called Mexican, Ginger, etc. because there were so many. Like it was also a thing that I noticed that a lot of my mixed friends were the ones with parents pushing them to do really well in school, and even now as an adult most of the people I know who are mixed are generally held to a higher standard as part of that like “model minority” myth and it actually being true that often they just had to work twice as hard to get through school because of that casual racism.
For every time shaaba went "yay, I'm not person of colour" and "oh god! How cold you think I'm a poc" I was like, but they're thinking about the money and competition, it's not about being white, it's about winning xD Tho that was wierd to watch, not gonna lie. But also for me if someone told me to prove I'm a woman or white I don't know how I woud prove it. I am who I am. Maybe because of me being autistic but I don't think anything in my experience is that much different from any other human being. Well, I can't eat spicy food but not because I can't handle the burning in my mouth, I'll literally will be I'll and probably end up throwing up in the middle of the night or something (also happens when I eat something with any kind of onion and garlic and many other things) - point for being stereotypically white. I can't drink coffe and every white person I know loves coffe, there's coffe break culture in Sweden, where I live. But then again, coffe is pretty popular with all people and the best coffe making country isn't in Europe sooo... point for not being human I guess? I'm lactose intolerant, I'm not Asian, tho stereotypically lactose intolerance is an asian thing - point for not being stereotypiclly white? I guess I could prove being woman talking about my very bad experience with period, but there are plenty of women who have their periods just fine and women who never had any periods, aren't they women just because they don't have the stereotypical experience of a woman? That's so stupid. There is nothing unique about any of us. There's always at least one person frome the same or different culture, skin colour, religion, gender and sex with the same experience as any other person. It's all the not unique things about us combined that make every human being uniqe. Gosh, it would be exhausting if we were to gate keep race, gender etc. . . . Wait a second...
What is somethingwhen they asked "what is the whitest thing about you?" Me, a white person, could not think of an answer, its a hard question, but earlier today i was watching a tv show that was talking about protesting fox hunts, and my wife kept asking me questions about how fox hunting worked and different things about it, i knew all the answers, and she said "that is so white." LOL so true. I learned about fox hunting because my grandfather lived on Fox Hunt Lane, and had built his house there when they still did fox hunts down the little wood path that became a street, so i learned a little about it from him and then looked knto the history, so i still learned about it culturally just indirectly.
I think learning about ethnicity might just matter a lot to Americans considering race is usually the main thing here and we often don't know where we're from. Gonna leave a bunch of comments For the Algorithm, hope that's okay. Less than 100 at my posting of this is ridiculous.
I like George Carlin's points about pride. I can't understand feeling pride in simply being born in a place or with a certain characteristic. I can accept being proud for growing and surviving as part of a marginalized group, but even as a bi person I don't feel pride about it, maybe in my strength or character in specific circumstances related to my queerness, but not the queerness itself...I also hate the term "privilege" because it gives dumbasses a way to get sidetracked and miss that they legit have it easier than others. Privilege isn't being treated with basic decency and respect, that should be the damn baseline, so why do we call it a privilege not to be treated like second class citizens? ...or maybe I'm a pedantic white xennial...
It’s mildly amusing to me that socks and sandals are something that many people tag as white, when it’s a historical cultural practice in Japan (tabi and zori) and I keep meaning to research if it came back with servicemen after the US set up military bases there. I know it is not something I see a lot in my mostly-European-history-til-1600 hobby (I’m a member of the Society for Creative Anachronism). It always makes my eye twitch a little. But so does most Hollywood historical costume. 😅 I’m white, and was definitely cringing throughout this whole thing. I was also thinking about if it would give me similar ick if the situation was flipped, and I think it would-so many white people grabbing desperately for racial stereotypes probably would cause similar amounts of harm and ick. I know I would not enjoy having members of the majority doing either approach in any of the areas that I’m a minority (gender, sexuality, disability, schooling). There’s so much potential to hurt and cause harm here.
the experiment odd one out is a strange set up and really the people in it can really make it interesting, yikes and such. the only good one i have seen so far is spot the young person where someone figured it out and decided to be a chaos demon until they were eliminated
WOW even as a white person that was super uncomfortable, can't imagine it would be any better for everyone else. :( At best, if I for some reason thought the benefit of the doubt should be extended (not sure I do), I would call that massively tone-deaf.
If you wanted to do this again, I have two things to say: 1) race is maybe very differently understood in America, the third most populous country on the planet, than it is where you are, and 2) other channels are doing/have done this type of experiment better. Are doing: KEVIN LANGUE. Similar idea but instead it's a panel made up of Kevin (African American in the literal sense) and his friends asking a disguised group questions. Fun chaotic energy. Cringey in new ways. Have done it: CUT is who Jubilee RIPPED OFF and made a worse product of lmao. "Guess Who's White" has a group of potentially white people (irl) be questioned by a few random judges. Less but still very cringey.
This is the most problematic video ever...a small thing (?) is from a US pov, going to Texas and discovering diversity there makes total sense; its a super diverse state, particular compared to a lot of other places in the US...yeah, that was culturally a smart thing to say, aside from the fact the British person in the "game" maybe would have seen it differently.
I like it when it's say 5 black guys and one white guy (I think someone did that, might've even been Jubilee?) the vibes are better and it's actually entertaining instead of just kind of awkward
People thinking having more than one genetic background is diverse is insane to me. I thought it was normal having 10+ different countries of origin 😅.
I think the point of these videos is to have uncomfortable conversations. To point out that you cant tell. However this episode in particular ignores the history of passing. So like I get the intention and its still problematic.
it was also super weird knowing since the start who the ''fake'' is bc usually in these videos we're also guessing and it was so much more uncomfortable to watch it knowing the context, idk, i just think the whole concept is weird, but i don't blame any people of color who would take the role bc after all, they have the chance to get a lot of money if they win so good for them tbh. the concept of these jubilee videos is still questionable though...
I don't know why you'd say Wendy based on her accent, though, with her saying she's from Argentina. There are a lot of white latine people from countries such as... well... Argentina.
I will say… Corrine’s fake backstory- like, girl did her research. I went to college in Mobile, right near Spanish Fort where she said she was from. It’s an affluent, predominantly white suburb. Lots of outlet malls. University of Texas is in Austin- where I live now. Let me tell you, it is *much* more racially, culturally and ethnically diverse than that particular suburb of southern Alabama, so I could see a white suburban, probably fairly well off, girl having her eyes opened a bit by moving there. I’ve got to agree with you though Shaaba, that video you just watched gave me the ick… why couldn’t they have done this about something like… I don’t know, jobs people have or who grew up in a certain location not *this*? Like… I feel like they *think* they’re exposing people’s biases… but… like they’re not doing it in a good way! They’re doing it in just a really uncomfortable way.
Ok… I commented when the video wasn’t done yet… how did that video get more yikes than it was?! Yeah… as a white American of various and sundry Northern European descent… I was horrified by this video and the lack of a clue the people who made it seemed to have, so I can’t imagine how much worse it had to have been for BIPOC viewers. I don’t know how Fariha, known throughout most of the video as Corinne, sat through that! But… the weirdest thing is that… the character she created sounded like someone I could have gone to college with at my small, private Catholic school in Alabama. Like… we had school mates who came from all over the country and some from the world over… but we also had a lot of, frankly, small town rich white girls who needed to learn about the world… and her feigned backstory and acting it out really brought back a lot of memories about dealing with them while figuring out how much *I* needed to learn too at that age even if I didn’t grow up quite as sheltered as some of them did. So.. I guess at least some odd reflectiveness gas come out of this bizarre video?
I mean this is something that historically a big deal… white passing saved some people’s lives, so like it is a thing that is worth talking about in modern times… I mean it still protects POC to be white passing now, sadly cuz we should embrace the beautiful rainbow of skin colors. I’d personally be honored to be the first to get voted off early, because yes I do see how problematic this is. But still good to talk about this.
I might've said this in another comment but basically, I'm okay with this in a vaccuum. Being uncritical of the experiment in a public setting is the issue imo; if the creators were like "these are opinions from these people, not fact etc blah blah" then these types of videos would feel less egregious. Recommendations incoming.
This felt really tacky. There is no way I would even think to participate in this type of thing. I mean, how do you go on there as a white person and not look like you have at best microaggressions. I really don't think it benefited anyone other than the money they got. Really kind of creepy.
wow I don't feel like that jubilee video will age well at all. something I'd be interested in hearing you or others perspectives on is there's another video somewhere on youtube with a similar premise but in person I watched a couple years ago, which I think did this better imo, or at least I felt less icky (but im a white person so idk). The video had everyone in person and they guessed who was white based on appearance, which sort of feels less icky because "white culture" is such a weird thing to brag about, at least we can all acknowledge that we might make an assumption about someones ethnicity based on appearance, and thats a good thing to recognize. That way you can transition into a conversation about how whiteness is socially constructed, the definition of white is difference in certain countries, etc. It might have been different if this jubilee video ended with a discussion of how white culture is both socially constructed but also really pervasive since nonwhite people are pushed to conform to it? idk this seems to have had a very surface level approach to a topic that should be handled more carefully.
Jubilee is thoroughly unhinged in the worst way possible but we’ll still continued to be shocked as they sink to new depths.
This is super super SUPER problematic and uncomfortable. Read up on the "one drop rule" in the US--basically that if you had "one drop" of African blood in your history you were basically immediately excluded from any sort of white privilege, no matter how many white relatives you may have or how "white" you presented. It's why it was such a big deal when Lena Horne--who could have "passed"--very firmly refused to disavow that part of her heritage and owned her Blackness.
This completely brings to mind that awful social environment of "hmmm, are they REALLY white?" and the consequences of being found out as nonwhite...and the whole thing just gives me all-over yikes hives.
Yeah, and with race being made up as an excuse for slavery!.. Sure there were light-skinned slaves, the word itself comes from Slavic peoples who were bought and sold, but the concept of race is inextricably tied to the Atlantic slave trade.
Jubilee has a lot of problems. From my experience it tends to take a “centrist” approach on a lot of issues and ends up platforming bigotry. They’ve had a couple of terfs and misogynistic “alpha males” on while treating their opinions as completely valid.
I have not watched too many of their videos, but from what I’ve seen, they are a red flag
Jubilee: the RUclips champion of bothsidesism
Am I the only one who thinks that Lauren basically tried to call her grandma a Karen without using the word Karen?
I thought that too lol
100%
I didn't understood her train of thought but ig you're right
Yes, it sure sounded that way.
it is so odd that they think this won't offend people 😅😅
I don't think they think this video wouldn't offend people? Jubilee's whole thing is about pushing the boundaries of what's socially acceptable.
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Jubilee: ”Provoke understanding & create human connection”
@@Xavia_Dimoff Emphasis on provoke lol, and if human connection means comments, it sure does generate plenty to push the algorithm in their favor 😅
@@blaireshoe8738 Despite it’s seemingly vague and indifferent implication, human connection actually means “a deep bond that's formed between people when they feel seen and valued”. If there is a phrase that means the exact opposite of that, then I would say that perfectly describes their comment sections 😅😂
people being offended isn't one of their parameters for whether or not a video should be made.
Corrine: When I get pulled over, the first thing that goes through my mind....I'm gonna be okay.
This would be the comment that would have me voting for her. The thing about being white is that you don't think about whether or not you'll be okay when you get pulled over, you assume you will and it doesn't cross your mind
I disagree with that. I'm a white woman (super pale and blonde even) and when I get pulled over I remind myself that I'm statistically unlikely to get shot. The police are just out of control in the US and no one really feels completely safe from them.
Honestly, what passes my mind as a white person is: "I hope the fine isn't too high. Maybe I can blink cutely. Maybe if I act like I don't know what I did wrong they'll feel sorry"
But non whatsoever on my safety. And I hate that there are people that should worry for their safety. These moments make me really aware of how priviledged I am. Also, cops in the Netherland aren't as bad as they are in the USA. Actually, most are quite alright here. Although, how should I know, I'm white..
I felt uncomfortable watching that - but now am wondering what it would be like to watch a 'spot the white person' or 'spot the fake person of colour' episode. Something tells me they wouldn't have got as far as Fariha did, but who knows.
There was an episode like that. I can't remember if they won, but they at least got pretty far I think
@@msjkramey Oh, I had no idea (as I actually never watch that channel), thanks for letting me know. I was indeed curious - but I don't think I'll make myself watch that, anyway (unless, of course, Shaaba also made a video about it).
There's a guy named Kevin Langue who does these all the time on his channel. Find the secret white person, find the secret black person. Maybe it's funny because it's a panel of black guys doing the guessing?
They actually have done a spot the white person one recently
As a white person I would feel extremely uncomfortable participating in a “spot the fake person of color” game. It seems like cultural appropriation at the best and racist stereotyping at worst.
5:40 I think she meant "(for) being white, I (still) have a good palette" ... Like white folks will say this "I have a good heat tolerance for a white person"
I personally have a good heat tolerance. I love spice and wasabi
That's what I thought too - I think Shaaba misunderstood that a bit.
The fact that they don't understand that they made a game out of a person of color secretly pretending to be while while in a group of white people, mimicing past generations were a lot of people of color were only able to survive by pretending to be white.
The whole concept of the game shows that they are not as aware of the history of racism as they ought to be. If they had been, they would have known that this video is very distasteful.
As for their question of "what's the most white thing about you" I would have had a really good answer. Back when the LDS genealogy files first went online, it was free, and I traced my ancestors back as far as I could, to 1465, in England, a man named Thomas Whitebread. I kid you not, I am so white I am literally a descendent of Mr. Thomas Whitebread.
Lol. True story, though
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I’m mixed race (white/middle eastern) and white-passing. This made me so uncomfortable in such a weird way…
First, the game being “let’s find the POC” is absolutely unhinged. But being someone who people were once comfortable saying racist things in front of… it’s just extra icky.
There are DEFINITELY better ways to get perspective from people.
Ooo I'm sure they also did the reverse with guess the one white person. Would be so interesting if you could react to that one too then compare please! ❤😊
They did, yeah; I remember...I think it was Jarvis Johnson? Reacting to "guess the white person" with the rest of the group being black. In person with blindfolds for that one.
@@Idranyess that's the one!
I thought it was interesting that Corinne sailed through the first round (that’s as far as I’ve gotten). She has probably spent her life studying the majority population around her and figuring out how to fit in, both consciously and subconsciously. The fact that she’s so good at it at this point is honestly an indictment on society. None of the actual white people have ever had to think about that, and it shows! They were all kinda fumbly at it, to one degree or another. Corinne was like, “I have not only prepared my research, but i have been training for this my entire life. Let’s fricking do this!”
As a white person, I am proud of my family culture. Im proud of my Pacific Northwest Culture. Im proud of my Dutch culture (dad is an immigrant). This is different from pride in the identity of whiteness itself. White people can have cultural pride, but it isn’t white pride. Many people should learn this difference. It’s the difference between appreciating your own culture and traditions, and being a white supremacist. I also definitely don’t think my cultural ties are more important than others. I love sharing and learning about others micro (family) and macro (ethnic or place of origin) cultures.
omg, this... is umm a high Ick factor. never saw this Jubilee episode and am so glad to have Shaaba's take on this. the whole "Yea, we won!" thing did sound like celebration of whiteness although the were prolly just celebrating the W and some cash, I might have missed this if not for Shaaba's commentary.
6:41 It’s like how some cis-het men run away from any notion that they might be queer.
I feel like this video concept would have worked better, if it had been that they're only allowed to talk about their lives and past experiences, not bringing up something like ancestry DNA. And then nobody was allowed to lie. Because then it becomes more about wow look at how much all of us have in common. And it also gives more artistry than just how many lies can I come up with to blend in with this group and becomes how can I finesse the parts of my life that are true to match up with what these people are saying or, how much can I find in common with this group of people
And, side note: I totally thought this video was going to be about like find the white presenting POC before the part about their videos being turned off came up
In the olden days, before they had to adapt to the changing times, Mormon missionaries swore that as black people learned about Mormonism they actually became whiter. Black people weren't allowed 'the priesthood' until the mid 1970s.
This reminds me of a historical document that claimed if a white person and a black person had a baby they would be stripey like a zebra 😂
Some historical perceptions of whiteness were also more about attitude and behaviour than skin colour. For example, Chinese people were considered white until their government did something to fall out of favour and the new "yellow" race was created for them.
I have an interesting view on things. I'm white, but also trans FtNB and pass as male. The things I've seen, heard and experienced in general was off the wall weird for me. Some still say the N word "in private" and really are down on migrants of color and such. This was really weird, eye opening, and informative! Thank you Shaaba!
as a white, jewish, non-binary trans person...
EWWWWWWW!!! This is so ridiculous. While there were some good points made (ie f*ck discrimination) overall, the concept is so gross. I might be more bias because although I am white, I am also ethnically Jewish which comes with its own discrimination. I remember the thinly veiled outrage my parents had when the first POC people moved onto my block when I was a kid. Or the stories of my grandparents crossing Queens Blvd when they saw black people coming towards them and it made me sick then (90s and early 00s) Now, 20-25 years later, it makes me sick to think that oh we can definitely tell if someone is a POC by the way they answer questions over the course of 20 minutes. Please stop Joo balee.
Wow, I fit that description.😂 Mind blowing to see someone else that does.
Its a weird middle place.
@@C-SD *waves*. You are not alone. Hugs
This is interesting to me, as most people I met would automatically think of me as just white British going back to the Saxons or Celts or whoever.
However, my great grandparents were Jewish Ukrainian and moved to the UK in 1912, so genetically I am partially Jewish Ukrainian (along with a mix of lots of other things).
I never met my grandad (who was the last person in our immediate family to identify as Jewish) and our family surname was changed to be "less foreign" in the 50s when my auntie started school due to xenophobic sentiments post world war two.
I feel that this has protected me from discrimination (particularly antisemitism and xenophobia directed towards Eastern Europeans in the UK in recent years), but also meant that I'm completely disconnected from my predecessors culture.
I'd like to visit the Manchester Jewish museum (specifically linked to the history of families like mine) and also eventually trace back wherever they came from in Ukraine (although not possible at the moment for obvious reasons) as an attempt to reconnect with their culture. However, I don't feel like I can ever truly understand the perspectives of people like you who have grown up with the culture and everything that comes with that.
As someone who is the equivalent of 50 shades of white crayon melted together, my whitest trait is needing spf 100+ sunscreen lmaooo
Fr though something feels so wrong about this (and many other) jubilee videos
Yeah same and people not believing me that factor 30 suncream is nowhere near enough for me. 😂
I liked this video concept when it was things like "who is not a twin" or that sort of thing, but I don't know who thought this one would end well...
I def get it from an outsider perspective, but Texas being more diverse is a good call. Like it's one of The Most Diverse states. A lot of the south west, and south in general, is. My mom is from upstate NY and then moved to New Mexico, and Texas after that, both were A LOT more diverse. (That's the only thing I'm commenting on here cause the original video concept is skeevy as heck and all other commentary is entirely on point, and even this isn't A Thing, it just made me realize that the perspective on places like Texas from outside the US might be real different.)
Yeah, and she also mentioned she was at UT, and colleges are pretty diverse (most of them) even when the surrounding town or city might not be.
I think Jubilee videos are a lot more fun when they're about things you have a choice in, e.g. vegans or people who have had sex. When it's about something as innate and inescapable as identity, it starts to feel more about stereotyping and profiling.
Kinda doubt they intended it, but the uncomfortableness is probably a good thing; it really showcases how when whiteness is used as a privilege that even it can be taken away on a whim when someone's looking for a mark. Doesn't mean white and lighter-skinned people don't have advantages, but it does mean that people who pass as white can suddenly just not when the wind blows a certain way and have their "whiteness" taken away.
Excellent examples of this are Irish and Italian people (amongst others) being considered "non-white" in the past, also even in the video they universally decided that Japanese and Korean people weren't white for some reason.
I don’t even know what to think other then if you want to have a conversation about what “white” even means or looks like and racial stereotypes and all that kind of thing, there are other ways to do that. Also I’m a cis white woman who’s lived in Canada my whole life so I’m coming from a very privileged position on this so giant pinch of salt here
The mentioning friends who are BIPOC individuals thing- I feel like there was at least one question in here where the fact that my best friend isn't white would actually be relevant and not just a call out to the fact that she isn't white. The questions about white culture. Love my bestie to pieces, but whenever she comes across a video of someone who happens to be white doing something stupid, she asks me to answer for my people. I do feel like "white culture" as one blanket, shared thing is a popular opinion OF white people in North America.
"these Jubilee videos continue to... intrigue me" LMAO what a polite way to phrase that
Texan here, there is a ton of diversity in this state. Our stereotype isn’t the norm, pls don’t judge us from Dallas (tv show). 😂
There's the texan stereotype and there's the tejano stereotype
yeah esp since she said specifically for UT, which is probably one of the most diverse schools in the country lol. i understand that non-americans probably are unaware though
I live in San Antonio, which is 60% Latino!
I'm left wondering what the outcome and conversation would have been if the numbers were switched i.e. "root out the white person"! (I'm white, cis-female disabled lesbian). The way this was set up did make me think about white-passing, and the ideas of whiteness as "pure European heritage". I also think the US setting has an impact - white North Americans tend to put more weight on their cultural / racial heritage than white Europeans. As a white European, I do find myself wondering how I would feel watching a "One of these people is disabled" video! Especially as our disabled identities are questioned and undermined so readily. I also wonder what it would be like to have a "one of these people is GRT" (Gypsy / Roma / Traveller), as one of the most excluded and discriminated against groups in Western Europe. Lots to think about - thanks Shaaba!
Hey! Just to let you know, g*psy is a slur
Jubilee did have one where the numbers were swapped, five black people and a white person. The white person won there, but it was complicated because it felt like Jubilee went out of their way to pick a white person who grew up in a majority-black part of...I think LA? So their natural mannerisms and speech came off like a white person trying to act black, but where they grew up didn't come up until the end of the video, almost like Jubilee wanted it to be a gotcha. Like "you thought this white guy was just putting on a blaccent to win the game, but it's how he actually speaks!!! Now who's the real racist????" Jarvis Johnson reacted to that one if you want to take a look without supporting Jubilee's whole...weirdness.
@@talilissai3563 Apologies. I was using the accepted terminology in UK / Ireland. I know that terms have different histories in different places.
@@talilissai3563I thought romany gypsies were a distinct ethnic group of travellers? Happy to be corrected by any travellers though with what this ethnic group would prefer to be called.
Their euro-centric perception of whiteness was highlighted by their perception of Japanese and Korean people being non-white without question. Some ethnically Japanese/Korean people are whiter than some white European people.
The racism. Ouch.
3:25 The confidence and audacity you need to say this without physically cringing
It was sarcasm
@@msjkramey I didn’t get that.
I'm pretty sure she was being self deprecating
@@samariamccord4302 probably, but all I could think is "oh the exoticness of mayo: Heinz, Best Foods and Kraft" lol
I cringe anytime a white person says exotic in any context.
8:06 Returning things and Astrology Girlies? We have that too, LAUREN!
I like the jubilee videos where its like 'who doesnt like harry potter' and stuff like that but things like this where it is an intrisnic(?) Part of an individual like gender, sexuality and race feels like it is only going to make people pull on stereotypes because unless you are purely focusing on those how could you even TRY to find the 'fake'
I want “Hi, I’m Asian!” to be my new ringtone. It’s the new “Hi, gay!”
Love you Shaaba!!🩷🩷🍑🍑
If by "Latina" one means "for South America", a lot of South Americans are white. The continents was colonized by Spaniards and later on a lot of people from Southern Italy migrated there, especially in Argentina.
As a "passing" woman of color (honestly more culture wise than percentage wise, I'm first generation American on my mom's side) I would be interested in seeing this done with a photo and voice. Would they suddenly switch from background to looking for skin tone and eye shape?
I definitely think "Corinne"/Fariha gave herself away by asking about whether others were proud to be white. I think it's pretty well known, within liberal/leftist white people at least, to never bring up pride & whiteness in the same conversation, let alone the same sentence. We can be proud of many different parts of our identity, but even to try to argue that there is something about belonging to a race of people who have committed atrocities, regularly have individuals display entitlement & bigotry, along with our gov prioritizing white citizens over POC citizens daily, its pretty glaring that the shame & guilt would overcome any pride should we amplify our whiteness as part of our identity. Sure, it should always be recognized, but kept at arms reach, like having a peanut allergy or being an alcoholic.
I think you're coming from a very American point of view with your statement. And while I appreciate your reasoning, you might want to consider that not every person in this Jubilee video was American, not everyone who watches Shaaba is American and that the amount of white people living outside the US is greater than within.
This is some sort of "privilege" I find quite often in Americans: they tend to forget the world is much bigger than the US.
I don't mean to offend. I apologize if I did.
I'm just hoping to spread some awareness.
Much love 💖
@@shiroganetsuki9634I think that’s really interesting. “Corinne”/ Fariha did say she was American, though, so I think it’s probably fair to use standards of what is socially/ morally accepted in the United States.
Not everyone they have on the show is left or liberal though, there have been a lot of conservative & right leaning folk on it before
@@shiroganetsuki9634I am not American but I' not proud of my whitness (I'm not ashamed of it eather for the record). It's something completly neutral unlike my nationality to me.
As a white american, I would 100% ask that question knowing it might derail people from guessing the "correct" person because it gives me joy to listen to people try to figure out how to answer it on this show when they're trying to pretend they're all white. But I will admit it feels like a very American problem to experience white supremacy from people around you and feel thoroughly disgusted with that and it feels like you're in the minority for not agreeing with that supremacist ideology. Realistically our country has gotten thoroughly polarized and we have got to stop this before we tear ourselves apart.
11:31 2 Things: Podcast and “I have a friend”
9:32 Apparently, Texas is very diverse and the Asian diaspora is strong there.
"I'm not sure how to feel about this, but it's not great" is how I've felt about all of the jubilee things I've seen reactions to, so far.
Corinne flew too close to the sun that last round haha
Hi Shaaba, Nara here. White Agender blob. I found it really interesting to watch your reaction to this video. When I watched it I didn't cringe nearly as hard because it made sense they were all trying to get money regardless of the messy context/implications of the game. But I do see how they are basically saying Yay I won money because I am white, which is ugh. It is interesting to me because I found a lot of good in Jubilee's debate videos and yet they can get it wrong in this way, despite honest intentions. I also appreciate you giving me another perspective in the context of content creation. I tend to cut creators a lot of slack because I know these cringey videos help make them enough money for the more important and educational videos they do. This is a good reminder to stay aware of even the subtle racism that I might miss because it doesn't affect me as directly as say transphobia. I may not doubt their intentions but I can certainly see how the result missed the mark.
It's wild that this happened 😅
I'll be willing to bet they are all mixed without knowing it.
side note: Shaaba share your hot sauce recommendations!!
9:56 Whitest Thing: Getting excited about a niche show on The CW
As an American, I love how people of all cultures, religions, skin colors etc. have mixed and changed the DNA of millions of people to include everyone. Is that complete? Nope, we have a long road to go, and we are still mixing & mingling as we go ❤❤❤
I think Kristen was just saying that her American accent + living abroad might make people think she is an American of non-white origin. She must not know how common it is for Americans (and everyone) to live abroad. She might also assume that her accent and/or dialect defaults to white. Still not great! But I'm p sure she knows there are white people outside the U.S. lol.
4:25 I know Shaaba’s question: “Does anyone else sit weirdly on chairs and have clear phone cases?”
I have a very bad sense of what will offend people and what won’t but geez even I can tell this one was not a good idea
jubilee is….. certainly something!
I mean, what stuff like this shows is that stereotypes may have a kernel of truth to them but they do not make a person. Stereotypes are not bad per se, they do serve a purpose, it's just when we use stereotypes to judge a person and don't look past the stereotypes that they become a problem. It also shows that people are biased - even if people think they are not. If you are shocked about being though of as BIPOC, there is probably some negativity towards BIPOC there.
Also, I didn't check, but I venture a guess that they did not try the other way around. That would be like digital blackface. 😶🌫
They did do it the other way around. It was in person with blindfolds
7:50 Haha best freeze frame
I've been watching a lot of middle ground from jubilee and it's very controversial. This video was uncomfortable😭(on jubilees end ofc)
I don't know if you were serious about Married At First Sight but if you were, oh my gosh, I've been watching it too! Mildly hyperfixating at the moment because these reality TV shows are so trashy and over-dramatised and I don't normally like them but I'm so invested and I just want the best for these people. Like, yes, you tell him, Caitlin.
@AliceCappelle made a very good video on the politics of Jubilee that you might be interested in
I feel like they're trying to make a point of "see how we make assumptions and how people don't actually fit in boxes so easily?" with these videos, but they get there in a weird way in the way they gamify certain topics 😐 You know what they say about good intentions
I didn't expect this to be racist, but coming out of it, i'm very split on it.
i think they're trying to make a point about passing and witch hunting, but it really hasn't worked very well.
What an odd concept for a show. 😮
Yes, this video is uncomfortable. What I missed most was Fariha's debrief, how she actually felt about it immediately after and later, after agreeing to the conceit and then 'failing'. At least really appreciated how strategic she was - it would have been worse to see a less aware (or self-hating PoC) succeed at this game.
All this being said, I think I would absolutely watch the inverse video - with only one white person. It is the more interesting scenario and it mirrors the pressures of real life less.
Sincerely a mixed person
Honestly, I feel like videos like that where they just put strangers on the internet for clout seems very problematic. I’m also looking at it from the perspective of “I live in Alabama if you took someone off of the street who wasn’t some level of societally oppressed and intersectional, then you would more than likely have the equivalent of a bunch of frat boys that drive lifted trucks.” But honestly especially with the county I grew up in there is a high level of microagressions, even when people aren’t trying to be racist, which really I feel like a more accurate name for it is passive aggressive bigotry. I’m part native on my dad’s side and - aside from my dad- the least white looking of my immediate family, but because there’s a very “You work outside, play outside, stay outside.” Culture, especially growing up in a rural area, the whole “You’re just tan year around.” Thing is typically attributed to that or using a tanning bed, not necessarily your race. There’s also this weird culture that a lot of my mixed friends experienced in high school where mixed people just get called by the other race that they are and it’s actually horrendous to think that I participated in that. I had a good friend in high school who everyone just called Asian, despite her being mixed, and similarly a friend who we all just called Mexican, and it’s so weird. Granted some people who had more common names, like Austin and Tyler, would get called Mexican, Ginger, etc. because there were so many. Like it was also a thing that I noticed that a lot of my mixed friends were the ones with parents pushing them to do really well in school, and even now as an adult most of the people I know who are mixed are generally held to a higher standard as part of that like “model minority” myth and it actually being true that often they just had to work twice as hard to get through school because of that casual racism.
For every time shaaba went "yay, I'm not person of colour" and "oh god! How cold you think I'm a poc" I was like, but they're thinking about the money and competition, it's not about being white, it's about winning xD
Tho that was wierd to watch, not gonna lie.
But also for me if someone told me to prove I'm a woman or white I don't know how I woud prove it. I am who I am. Maybe because of me being autistic but I don't think anything in my experience is that much different from any other human being.
Well, I can't eat spicy food but not because I can't handle the burning in my mouth, I'll literally will be I'll and probably end up throwing up in the middle of the night or something (also happens when I eat something with any kind of onion and garlic and many other things) - point for being stereotypically white.
I can't drink coffe and every white person I know loves coffe, there's coffe break culture in Sweden, where I live. But then again, coffe is pretty popular with all people and the best coffe making country isn't in Europe sooo... point for not being human I guess?
I'm lactose intolerant, I'm not Asian, tho stereotypically lactose intolerance is an asian thing - point for not being stereotypiclly white?
I guess I could prove being woman talking about my very bad experience with period, but there are plenty of women who have their periods just fine and women who never had any periods, aren't they women just because they don't have the stereotypical experience of a woman? That's so stupid. There is nothing unique about any of us. There's always at least one person frome the same or different culture, skin colour, religion, gender and sex with the same experience as any other person. It's all the not unique things about us combined that make every human being uniqe.
Gosh, it would be exhausting if we were to gate keep race, gender etc.
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What is somethingwhen they asked "what is the whitest thing about you?" Me, a white person, could not think of an answer, its a hard question, but earlier today i was watching a tv show that was talking about protesting fox hunts, and my wife kept asking me questions about how fox hunting worked and different things about it, i knew all the answers, and she said "that is so white." LOL so true. I learned about fox hunting because my grandfather lived on Fox Hunt Lane, and had built his house there when they still did fox hunts down the little wood path that became a street, so i learned a little about it from him and then looked knto the history, so i still learned about it culturally just indirectly.
I like this series of videos, but some of the topics are painful
As a white person, I don't enjoy returning things
11:13 The question should be: “Do you think there’s white privilege?”
nope
Goodness, the whitest thing about me, first thought; my ability to sunburn while it's overcast in the winter
I think learning about ethnicity might just matter a lot to Americans considering race is usually the main thing here and we often don't know where we're from.
Gonna leave a bunch of comments For the Algorithm, hope that's okay. Less than 100 at my posting of this is ridiculous.
4:37 Ok but Sam is kinda cute.
Ross is the coolest though.
I like George Carlin's points about pride. I can't understand feeling pride in simply being born in a place or with a certain characteristic. I can accept being proud for growing and surviving as part of a marginalized group, but even as a bi person I don't feel pride about it, maybe in my strength or character in specific circumstances related to my queerness, but not the queerness itself...I also hate the term "privilege" because it gives dumbasses a way to get sidetracked and miss that they legit have it easier than others. Privilege isn't being treated with basic decency and respect, that should be the damn baseline, so why do we call it a privilege not to be treated like second class citizens?
...or maybe I'm a pedantic white xennial...
i cannot finish watching this
It’s mildly amusing to me that socks and sandals are something that many people tag as white, when it’s a historical cultural practice in Japan (tabi and zori) and I keep meaning to research if it came back with servicemen after the US set up military bases there. I know it is not something I see a lot in my mostly-European-history-til-1600 hobby (I’m a member of the Society for Creative Anachronism). It always makes my eye twitch a little. But so does most Hollywood historical costume. 😅
I’m white, and was definitely cringing throughout this whole thing. I was also thinking about if it would give me similar ick if the situation was flipped, and I think it would-so many white people grabbing desperately for racial stereotypes probably would cause similar amounts of harm and ick. I know I would not enjoy having members of the majority doing either approach in any of the areas that I’m a minority (gender, sexuality, disability, schooling). There’s so much potential to hurt and cause harm here.
I hate this. What makes up race and ethnicity is so much more complicated than just skin colour. There is no nuance here.
lol my white tell is I can eat mayo by the spoonful XD
the experiment odd one out is a strange set up and really the people in it can really make it interesting, yikes and such. the only good one i have seen so far is spot the young person where someone figured it out and decided to be a chaos demon until they were eliminated
I a white person and I felt this was a strange video. Some good points, but also still problematic.
questions I never thought would catch in my obsessive brain: "what is the whitest thing about you?"
WOW even as a white person that was super uncomfortable, can't imagine it would be any better for everyone else. :( At best, if I for some reason thought the benefit of the doubt should be extended (not sure I do), I would call that massively tone-deaf.
The complexity of racial identity makes it wild that this video made it off of the cutting room floor
If you wanted to do this again, I have two things to say: 1) race is maybe very differently understood in America, the third most populous country on the planet, than it is where you are, and 2) other channels are doing/have done this type of experiment better.
Are doing: KEVIN LANGUE. Similar idea but instead it's a panel made up of Kevin (African American in the literal sense) and his friends asking a disguised group questions. Fun chaotic energy. Cringey in new ways.
Have done it: CUT is who Jubilee RIPPED OFF and made a worse product of lmao. "Guess Who's White" has a group of potentially white people (irl) be questioned by a few random judges. Less but still very cringey.
Lauren : My Grandma is a Karen 😂
This is the most problematic video ever...a small thing (?) is from a US pov, going to Texas and discovering diversity there makes total sense; its a super diverse state, particular compared to a lot of other places in the US...yeah, that was culturally a smart thing to say, aside from the fact the British person in the "game" maybe would have seen it differently.
I like it when it's say 5 black guys and one white guy (I think someone did that, might've even been Jubilee?) the vibes are better and it's actually entertaining instead of just kind of awkward
It would be more interesting if it was a white-passing mole & a variety of white phenotypes
NO. JUST NO. This is so uncomfortable i couldn't watch it to the end
People thinking having more than one genetic background is diverse is insane to me. I thought it was normal having 10+ different countries of origin 😅.
I think the point of these videos is to have uncomfortable conversations. To point out that you cant tell. However this episode in particular ignores the history of passing. So like I get the intention and its still problematic.
it was also super weird knowing since the start who the ''fake'' is bc usually in these videos we're also guessing and it was so much more uncomfortable to watch it knowing the context, idk, i just think the whole concept is weird, but i don't blame any people of color who would take the role bc after all, they have the chance to get a lot of money if they win so good for them tbh. the concept of these jubilee videos is still questionable though...
This gave me the ick
Corinne's backstory is she's from white-ass Alabama and moved to Mexican-ass Texas. Yeah, that's a decent play!
phrases that make me vaguely uncomfortable: "A fun assortment of whiteness."
mmmmm
I don't know why you'd say Wendy based on her accent, though, with her saying she's from Argentina. There are a lot of white latine people from countries such as... well... Argentina.
I will say… Corrine’s fake backstory- like, girl did her research. I went to college in Mobile, right near Spanish Fort where she said she was from. It’s an affluent, predominantly white suburb. Lots of outlet malls. University of Texas is in Austin- where I live now. Let me tell you, it is *much* more racially, culturally and ethnically diverse than that particular suburb of southern Alabama, so I could see a white suburban, probably fairly well off, girl having her eyes opened a bit by moving there.
I’ve got to agree with you though Shaaba, that video you just watched gave me the ick… why couldn’t they have done this about something like… I don’t know, jobs people have or who grew up in a certain location not *this*? Like… I feel like they *think* they’re exposing people’s biases… but… like they’re not doing it in a good way! They’re doing it in just a really uncomfortable way.
Ok… I commented when the video wasn’t done yet… how did that video get more yikes than it was?! Yeah… as a white American of various and sundry Northern European descent… I was horrified by this video and the lack of a clue the people who made it seemed to have, so I can’t imagine how much worse it had to have been for BIPOC viewers. I don’t know how Fariha, known throughout most of the video as Corinne, sat through that! But… the weirdest thing is that… the character she created sounded like someone I could have gone to college with at my small, private Catholic school in Alabama. Like… we had school mates who came from all over the country and some from the world over… but we also had a lot of, frankly, small town rich white girls who needed to learn about the world… and her feigned backstory and acting it out really brought back a lot of memories about dealing with them while figuring out how much *I* needed to learn too at that age even if I didn’t grow up quite as sheltered as some of them did. So.. I guess at least some odd reflectiveness gas come out of this bizarre video?
I mean this is something that historically a big deal… white passing saved some people’s lives, so like it is a thing that is worth talking about in modern times… I mean it still protects POC to be white passing now, sadly cuz we should embrace the beautiful rainbow of skin colors.
I’d personally be honored to be the first to get voted off early, because yes I do see how problematic this is. But still good to talk about this.
I might've said this in another comment but basically, I'm okay with this in a vaccuum. Being uncritical of the experiment in a public setting is the issue imo; if the creators were like "these are opinions from these people, not fact etc blah blah" then these types of videos would feel less egregious. Recommendations incoming.
This felt really tacky. There is no way I would even think to participate in this type of thing. I mean, how do you go on there as a white person and not look like you have at best microaggressions. I really don't think it benefited anyone other than the money they got. Really kind of creepy.
This feels oddly 1800s-y
wow I don't feel like that jubilee video will age well at all.
something I'd be interested in hearing you or others perspectives on is there's another video somewhere on youtube with a similar premise but in person I watched a couple years ago, which I think did this better imo, or at least I felt less icky (but im a white person so idk). The video had everyone in person and they guessed who was white based on appearance, which sort of feels less icky because "white culture" is such a weird thing to brag about, at least we can all acknowledge that we might make an assumption about someones ethnicity based on appearance, and thats a good thing to recognize. That way you can transition into a conversation about how whiteness is socially constructed, the definition of white is difference in certain countries, etc. It might have been different if this jubilee video ended with a discussion of how white culture is both socially constructed but also really pervasive since nonwhite people are pushed to conform to it? idk this seems to have had a very surface level approach to a topic that should be handled more carefully.