A kind person wrote what I wanted to tell you, so I'll copy and paste it. Gomennasorry Note for EN peeps (although I think most people know this already): at 1:46 totsumachi are those "waiting for a call" stream, Fubuki's making fun of how nobody came to Aqua's totsumachi. Can't really rely on ggr hnyk (and maybe deepl?) sensei on this one sadly, it'll just be "convex" lol. Many English pronouns are gendered which isn't common in many languages. Eg. '-san' in Japanese is used for both genders. Translation tools often favour male pronouns which is why you'll often here non-native English speakers use the incorrect one. (This is why many call centres will use the wrong term, I worked on a call line and was often explaining it wasn't meant as an insult.) I'd recommend translating to the gender neutral term 'they/them'. That way it's always accurate and you don't have to worry about using the wrong one. Postscript. I honestly don't have a deep understanding of the They, Them issue. I just wanted to let you know that I really didn't make the mistake on purpose. From now on, I will translate in the same way as before. I'll try not to make mistakes with he and she.
couple of things: 1) Japanese '-san' isn't a pronoun, it's an honorific. Pronouns are used in place of a person's name to avoid repetition, honorifics are added to a name to add additional meaning 2) Just to point out, almost all European languages are gendered in some way, including the pronouns. English is actually LESS gendered than a lot of other euro-langs. So if you're translating into any romance/germanic language be prepared to have to deal with this issue. 3) the They/Them suggestion is a good one, but some words of warning: this is a politicized topic in English speaking countries at the moment. I think it's your best blanket option, but be aware it isn't 100% 'safe' Issues boil down to 2 points: a) singular they/them (1 person, as opposed to multiple persons) is not formal English. It arguably SHOULD be, since English speakers have used it forever, & it is highly useful... but it isn't. So 'language nazis' will likely comment on it from that angle b) it's being pushed by left-wing political elements as part of their attack on traditional gender roles/values. So using it could be misconstrued as being in that political bloc, even if that is not at all your intention. Of course, using the correct gendered pronouns could also be considered a political statement... yadda yadda we live in interesting times :/ Again, they/them is your best bet if you don't want to have to learn & correct each translated pronoun... it just isn't the easy non-controversial answer you want.
@@kgoblin5084 on point 3, it really is a can of worms tbh. I will full admit to the they/them thing bothering just on the basis of language. I also tend to question if when people use it like that if it’s a political push or a genuine usage. Not particularly because I take a side on modern western “issues” because frankly I think both sides are being childish, but because the climate is at a point where everything is polarized and being made political. It’s so annoying that because everything in the west is being divided in Left and Right that things as simple as this can be legitimately questioned. Whatever happened to “live and let live”?
It'd be even more ridiculous if none of them was actually Marine. I actually got confused myself because I was only able to recognize Kanata and Fubuki
fubuki talk very fast, so you can easy recognize her, not from her voice but from her talk's speed You can recognize her speed from her first introduce
@@ReLite_The_Hero~~ she didn't even get to enter because they thought "no way in hell you could pull off someone as sweet as Dolly"~~ my b, i was thinking of someone else
@@arcanedarkling Looks the same doesn't mean "is the same" something can look the same and not be literally the same thing. Thats why he said "Looks the same" and not "they are the same thing" you are just incorect
@@littlechemie5425 Tanuki's can disguise into anythingand are masters of diguise. Kitsunes(foxes) are only able to disguise as humans but can also change the enviroment to fit their trickery like making an illusory mountain inn. Usually doing it to trick humans, but they can't hide their tails.
Well, she was right on the money. Marine did arrange beforehand to do a voice that sounds wrong to throw her off, exactly as she predicted, but in a classic Baqua move, she picked the wrong one.
@@ichiroutakami4189 you reminded me of a certain interaction between Aqua and Okayu where because both of them are Ms, Aqua can’t provide that kind of vibes to Okayu so Okayu was messing around with Marine instead
@@bukojuice315 back then it was kinda the same but now it's hard not to know who is talking by just hearing it. I honestly forgot about this video before so it was a nice call back.
Can't blame Aqua for switching numbers when they said "Final Answer". That literally makes it sound like you are wrong and they are trying to give you a chance to correct yourself.
@@DesktopPanda96 it would apply if any of the choices were eliminated. It doesn't have to just be 3 choices, 4, 5, 6, etc work. If you are asked to change answer after another option is revealed to not be correct you increase your odds by picking again
@@drowningin These weren’t blind choices with an equal chance of being correct; the choice was based on which girl did the most convincing job of being Marine. And then she was asked if she was sure of her choice before any unselected option was revealed to be incorrect. Both of those make this an invalid case for the Monty Hall paradox.
Note for EN peeps (although I think most people know this already): at 1:46 totsumachi are those "waiting for a call" stream, Fubuki's making fun of how nobody came to Aqua's totsumachi. Can't really rely on ggr hnyk (and maybe deepl?) sensei on this one sadly, it'll just be "convex" lol.
ah yes I remember this stream, Kanata, Senchou, Fubuki, and Matsuri draining aqua's sanity. This is what you can also say as mind break. also I find it really cute when our friend decided to take off her hat around the end to reveal herself nice detail.
Nice animation! I remember this stream xD I was able to tell who was who right away but I understand her picking FBK since she brought up her logic about thinking that "the real Marine" may be faking a little.
Great animation of one of the best Aqua clips! It's always so amusing to hear Marine get less and less impressed with her as time goes on and the animation expresses it so well.
I remember being super confused when I first watch this video. Now I've fallen so deep into the rabbit hole that I can distinguish all their voices with just a syllable XD
Fun fact: at 0:56 at 1:25 the real Marine does sorta reveal herself by showing disgust and tell the fake Marine that is acting lovey dovey with Aqua to stop
It’s amazing the more I listened to this the more I could tell the subtle (and not so subtle in Matsuri’s case) difference between their voices Fubuki does a VERY convincing Marine. But Marine still speaks the smoothest imo even though she’s being extra “squeaky”
A kind person wrote what I wanted to tell you, so I'll copy and paste it.
Gomennasorry
Note for EN peeps (although I think most people know this already): at 1:46 totsumachi are those "waiting for a call" stream, Fubuki's making fun of how nobody came to Aqua's totsumachi.
Can't really rely on ggr hnyk (and maybe deepl?) sensei on this one sadly, it'll just be "convex" lol.
Many English pronouns are gendered which isn't common in many languages. Eg. '-san' in Japanese is used for both genders. Translation tools often favour male pronouns which is why you'll often here non-native English speakers use the incorrect one.
(This is why many call centres will use the wrong term, I worked on a call line and was often explaining it wasn't meant as an insult.)
I'd recommend translating to the gender neutral term 'they/them'. That way it's always accurate and you don't have to worry about using the wrong one.
Postscript.
I honestly don't have a deep understanding of the They, Them issue. I just wanted to let you know that I really didn't make the mistake on purpose.
From now on, I will translate in the same way as before. I'll try not to make mistakes with he and she.
So a more accurate translation could be this?
Aqua's call-in stream headcount: 0
Why would translate someone with gender neutral when the gender(pronoun) is already known?
couple of things:
1) Japanese '-san' isn't a pronoun, it's an honorific. Pronouns are used in place of a person's name to avoid repetition, honorifics are added to a name to add additional meaning
2) Just to point out, almost all European languages are gendered in some way, including the pronouns. English is actually LESS gendered than a lot of other euro-langs. So if you're translating into any romance/germanic language be prepared to have to deal with this issue.
3) the They/Them suggestion is a good one, but some words of warning: this is a politicized topic in English speaking countries at the moment. I think it's your best blanket option, but be aware it isn't 100% 'safe' Issues boil down to 2 points:
a) singular they/them (1 person, as opposed to multiple persons) is not formal English. It arguably SHOULD be, since English speakers have used it forever, & it is highly useful... but it isn't. So 'language nazis' will likely comment on it from that angle
b) it's being pushed by left-wing political elements as part of their attack on traditional gender roles/values. So using it could be misconstrued as being in that political bloc, even if that is not at all your intention. Of course, using the correct gendered pronouns could also be considered a political statement... yadda yadda we live in interesting times :/
Again, they/them is your best bet if you don't want to have to learn & correct each translated pronoun... it just isn't the easy non-controversial answer you want.
You did very well. Thank you very much for your efforts and that cute animation. Don't sweat a few little details.
@@kgoblin5084 on point 3, it really is a can of worms tbh. I will full admit to the they/them thing bothering just on the basis of language. I also tend to question if when people use it like that if it’s a political push or a genuine usage. Not particularly because I take a side on modern western “issues” because frankly I think both sides are being childish, but because the climate is at a point where everything is polarized and being made political. It’s so annoying that because everything in the west is being divided in Left and Right that things as simple as this can be legitimately questioned. Whatever happened to “live and let live”?
The century defining moment that show Fubuki is a better Marine than Marine.
This is like Charlie Chaplain entering a Charlie Chaplain look-alike contest and winning 27th place out of 40 competitors
Honestly Aqua had it, but she outplayed herself in classic baqua fashion
Sasuga my best friend
She did go to the karaoke with friends and the machine ranked her friends above her.
*They sang Ahoy! by the way.*
Marine was trying to make herself sound fake
Real Marine was so disgusted that she dropped her exaggerated voice.
Exaggerated swagger
@@benevolentpussyconnoisseur4024 she does have the exaggerated swagger of a young Japanese pirate.
@@TheCCBoi based boomer pirate truther
The exaggerated swagger of a Japanese pirate cosplay
@@TheCCBoi gives me chills every time
I'm convinced that being able to imitate marine is a prerequisite to enter hololive
It wouldn't surprise me to learn "Ahoy" is on the audition set-list.
Someone tell Sodafunk!
Well, if everyone in Hololive is really just one person, it's a given.
well, Kanatan can also imitate Kiryu Coco and Flare, while KFC, I mean, phoenix-tan can do a very convincing Pekora laugh.
I wonder if Marine had to learn how to imitate Marine before she became Marine...
It'd be even more ridiculous if none of them was actually Marine. I actually got confused myself because I was only able to recognize Kanata and Fubuki
You must have good ear to recognize fubuki.
Yup, the only reason I recognized Marine and Matsuri is because one has oppai and the other has noppai.
Damn you must have good ears to realise it was Fubuki.....
Matsuri get her cover blown away by chuckling
Fubuki just deranged
Marine purposelly pitch up her voice
fubuki talk very fast, so you can easy recognize her, not from her voice but from her talk's speed
You can recognize her speed from her first introduce
To be fair, even Charlie Chaplin himself lost in a Charlie Chaplin cosplay contest.
@@astral6749 that lost was a legendary bruh moment right there
They say even Dolly Parton lost in a Dolly Parton contest.
@@ReLite_The_Hero~~ she didn't even get to enter because they thought "no way in hell you could pull off someone as sweet as Dolly"~~ my b, i was thinking of someone else
@@etypefan1 lol, really?
@@ReLite_The_Hero ah i was thinking of someone else, Dolly got trounced in a drag queen contest not what I said before
Note: Reason why Matsuri laugh at the beginning of video is because she made a typo writing Marine name on Discord.
Matsuri wrote "Mariso" (マリソ) instead of "Marine" (マリン)
"so" (ソ) and "n"(ン) looks the same
@@VFS05 similar*
@@arcanedarkling literally what the guy said bro
@@applebabbleextra5099 They said "THE SAME" not "SIMILAR"
@@arcanedarkling Looks the same doesn't mean "is the same" something can look the same and not be literally the same thing. Thats why he said "Looks the same" and not "they are the same thing" you are just incorect
This is mythologically accurate, kitsune can shapeshift into an exact duplicate of another person.
Is it the eyes or the tail they can't hide? Maybe the eyes was a fey thing...
@@Nowolf usually it's the tail, but it can be hidden under clothes.
Nope, it was Tanuki (Japanese Raccoon dog) who can shape-shifting according to Japanese folklore
@@littlechemie5425 Fox can do it too
@@littlechemie5425 Tanuki's can disguise into anythingand are masters of diguise. Kitsunes(foxes) are only able to disguise as humans but can also change the enviroment to fit their trickery like making an illusory mountain inn. Usually doing it to trick humans, but they can't hide their tails.
Aqua logic: The Marine that sounds the most like the real Marine is not the real Marine.
Well, she was right on the money. Marine did arrange beforehand to do a voice that sounds wrong to throw her off, exactly as she predicted, but in a classic Baqua move, she picked the wrong one.
Aqua tried to big brain it and in an unexpected turn of events she overdid it lol
Bacute-a
She is called Baqua for a reason
@@dhupee eh ada dafa
I think that out of all of Hololive, Aqua is the one everyone likes to tease most.
i relate to them www
onion bulli yes
well yeah.. in Marine Hell part 2.
Aqua to determine the real Marine ask all participants to insult her.
the M in Minato also means something else
@@ichiroutakami4189 you reminded me of a certain interaction between Aqua and Okayu where because both of them are Ms, Aqua can’t provide that kind of vibes to Okayu so Okayu was messing around with Marine instead
PEKOPEKOPEKO
She's the easiest to tease and has the funniest reactions. Half the time she doesn't even realize she's being made the butt of a joke.
I like Aqua's immediate "PANIK" reaction the moment Fubuki reveals herself and Marine starts to speak with all the disappointment in her voice xD
When I first saw this I couldn't tell who was who. After a few months I could just feel who is who and Matsuri was easy to see.
True after free falling in the rabbit hole for over a year it's impossible not to distinguish PPT!
@@hiddenman4084 yeah pretty much. Also with thier voices you can slightly hear the Differences in between them.
Especially when their voice breaks a little, they make distinctive sounds we could now easily pick up
@@bukojuice315 back then it was kinda the same but now it's hard not to know who is talking by just hearing it.
I honestly forgot about this video before so it was a nice call back.
Dude! Same! I saw this long ago and it was impossible to differentiate. But now it's so easy, I guess I can consider myself a veteran now :'D
Coming back to this since her graduation announcement.
yeah 😔
the Ahoys at the start really took a toll on Aqua's remaining brain cell
thanks for animating this stream
it was one of the best moments in hololive
Can't blame Aqua for switching numbers when they said "Final Answer". That literally makes it sound like you are wrong and they are trying to give you a chance to correct yourself.
It means aqua was still doubting her answer. If she is certain, she would not change her mind.
Yes, but statistically if asked you should always change your answer
@@drowningin It seems you’re thinking of the Monty Hall paradox, but that in no way applies here.
@@DesktopPanda96 it would apply if any of the choices were eliminated.
It doesn't have to just be 3 choices, 4, 5, 6, etc work. If you are asked to change answer after another option is revealed to not be correct you increase your odds by picking again
@@drowningin These weren’t blind choices with an equal chance of being correct; the choice was based on which girl did the most convincing job of being Marine. And then she was asked if she was sure of her choice before any unselected option was revealed to be incorrect. Both of those make this an invalid case for the Monty Hall paradox.
Lol at that Kanata shuriken sticking out.
"But you sounded the most like Marine!"
*_"BECAUSE I AM!"_*
What the fuck, Fubuki admitting that she isn't Marine has gotta be the cutest thing I've ever heard.
Love the detail in changing the icons on the hat and eyepatch
Time to rewatch these iconic aqua clips
Note for EN peeps (although I think most people know this already): at 1:46 totsumachi are those "waiting for a call" stream, Fubuki's making fun of how nobody came to Aqua's totsumachi.
Can't really rely on ggr hnyk (and maybe deepl?) sensei on this one sadly, it'll just be "convex" lol.
Thanks for the explanation!
Guguru Honyaku LOL. Yes, those translation tools aren't enough. Additional lesson from JP Bros comes in handy too. They are nice!
Nah man, it's obviously convex :^)
this hits different after aqua graduation
This prank is a LEGEND, literally one of the earliest clip of Hololive that I watched.
かなたん手裏剣が帽子ぶち抜いてるの好き
天使の輪やで。確かに手裏剣にも見えるww
3:41 This part is so cute
i love how each "Marine" chest is draw accurate with their size lol
Nice attention to detail XD
I love your animations! Thank you for bringing life again to classic clips
The legendary moment
Fubuki used impersonate
It was super effective
Aqua has fainted
Marine has fainted
Damn it's impressive how you can differentiate whose voice is whose when making this animation
翻訳編集アニメがすごいのは言わずもがなだけど、ちゃんとどの宝鐘マリンが喋ってるかわかって色分けできるのさすがww
この場面大好きなので嬉しいです
I came here to find the answer while playing Idol showdown Impersonation Test
ah yes I remember this stream, Kanata, Senchou, Fubuki, and Matsuri draining aqua's sanity. This is what you can also say as mind break.
also I find it really cute when our friend decided to take off her hat around the end to reveal herself nice detail.
Eye patch fubuki looks really cute.
Well tbh they're all cute.
this is one of the greatest moments in Hololive history
The Four Pirates of the Apocalypse
this is one of the first clips i watched of hololive like 6 years ago. thanks for animating it!
Oh wow YT recommend me Onion's days now .... 🥲🥲
宝鐘マリンも宝鐘マリンのモノマネしてるから面白い
Love the details where every character moves Their eyes for every conversation. Like when They look at the center during the "Number three?".
Nice animation! I remember this stream xD I was able to tell who was who right away but I understand her picking FBK since she brought up her logic about thinking that "the real Marine" may be faking a little.
Man the nostalgia, one of my first ever hololive clips I’ve ever watched
THIS IS A CLASSIC CLIP IM SO HAPPY IT'S ANIMATED
man she's gone
I love how Kanata's halo-star is poking through the hat XD
I like how at 3:22 both Kanata and Matsuri had their eyes move a bit to the real Marine when she stuttered a bit at Aqua changing her answer lmao
I love the way you started with Aqua frozen in laughter, then the confused expression. Great work!
Quadruple the horni.
Kanata's is the best.
I will never get over how good Fubuki is at vocal control
いい絵だ。とても面白い。
nice video
What an absolutely legendary moment. I want to see the Shigure Ui tournament animated next!
Cute and ADORABLE! Great Job! And also Thank You for the English Subtitles too! :)
I really appreciate this animation. I love the original clip also. This was really funny.
3:40 fubuki is so cute lmao
Great animation of one of the best Aqua clips! It's always so amusing to hear Marine get less and less impressed with her as time goes on and the animation expresses it so well.
My gooood, the different neckties (?) on the Marine costumes are so cute T_T
I love the small details for each of their costumes
Yeah especially how "BIG" marine is comparitavely
Aqua: Mama, which one are you? *pulls out harpoon gun*
All Marines: It's me
オリジナルの主張が激しすぎるＷ
Talk Like a Pirate Day gone wrong, gone sexual, gone violent.
This is still one of my favourite moments in all of Hololive
I love how everyone breaks at 2:06
The four marines of the apocalipse
エントリーNo1・壁
エントリーNo2・たわわ
エントリーNo3・普通
エントリーNo4・板
何がとは言わないが、よう描き分けできとる
始めて観たホロライブの動画がエヴァMAD
その次がこれ
This brings back so many memories
To this day, Aqua has never guessed the correct Marine…
She got at second attempt
I love how we've reached the levels that animators can pin point which imitator is which at which moment amidst the chaos. lmao
"Are there any other Houshou Marines I should know about?"
アニメーションのクオリティ高すぎる
The changes of Fubuki voice is genuinely impressed me.
This is great. I keep coming back to watch it again and again. Thnx for animating this part. It's super cute.
the Marine corps.
after watching Hololive for so long.. I can now tell the slight differences in their voices now...
Guess I'm in too deep~
Don't worry, you are not the only one
and im trying to keep~
This is one of my favourite hololive moments. You did an amazing job animating it. There are so many details on the girls really really good job 👍
Your picture is so cute! This made me happy!! Thank you!!
New holo animator in my radar? Hoooooo amazing
hell yeah the amazing event finally animated!! great work!
Matsuri did pretty good
Aqua: "Two"
Marine(?): "Is that your final answer?"
Aqua: [PANIK]
Im more impressed that you distinguished which marine version was speaking honestly
どいつもこいつも似過ぎてて怖いw
イラスト無かったら解らないよ。
あぁ笑った笑った
The attention to detail is just amazing, keep up the good work!!
3:01 moment before she lost her last 2 brain cells
I think what this really shows is how iconic Marine is as a vtuber.
2:05 "the second one looks the most like him"
Me: him?
even though your english is not your strong point the video was very well done and the animation was great
I remember being super confused when I first watch this video. Now I've fallen so deep into the rabbit hole that I can distinguish all their voices with just a syllable XD
2:16 fubuki actually leaked her real voice but our baqua was using all her brain power to think
Aqua: It's all Marine?
Marines: Always has been
サムネの圧で見ざるを得なかった
Ah, this moment is legendary. I think this is the moment that got me into Hololive.
Fun fact: at 0:56 at 1:25 the real Marine does sorta reveal herself by showing disgust and tell the fake Marine that is acting lovey dovey with Aqua to stop
Watching this stream was really chaotic and I like it.
Aqua w 4 marines: Hyperventilates and enters in confusion
Us: A dream become true.
I remember not being able to tell the difference at all when this happened. But now like a year later the voices feel so obvious
It’s amazing the more I listened to this the more I could tell the subtle (and not so subtle in Matsuri’s case) difference between their voices
Fubuki does a VERY convincing Marine. But Marine still speaks the smoothest imo even though she’s being extra “squeaky”
Props for the translator for knowing who's talking and who's not.
Man
I love how they just troll each other so much. It's like a really fun gameshow at this point.
Houshou Marine & Houshou Marine & Houshou Marine & Houshou Matsuri.