Just a note, the RUclips compression has made some of the noise a bit harder to see, which in itself gives food for thought. Also I am aware the sensor was a bit dirty, the product shots weren't of my Cinema 6K, and I didn't want to touch a sensor of a camera that wasn't mine! Excuses over, I hope you guys enjoy the review!
I'm glad that someone else sees the benefit in being able to shoot S35 on this camera. It's like having two cameras in one. Between your praise of it's S35 crop and your criticisms of it's lack of high frame rate options, I think you might be interested in a feature request topic that I made on the Blackmagic forums. It's primarily about adding an Ursa 12K-style crop selection UI which would add crops between 6K and 4K and between S16 and 4K so you can more gradually trade off resolution for frame rate. However, I added my own little spin to it where it would have a family of crops specifically for getting the maximum use out of the Super 35 image circle. With it, you'd be able to shoot 16:9 4.6K at up to 60 fps, 17:9 60fps at almost 4.7K, and 2.4:1 70fps at nearly 4.9K all while shooting with a Super 35 lens. In other words, it would pretty much match the resolution of the Alexa 35, too. The topic is called "FEATURE REQUEST - U12K-style crop UI for P4K, 6K, 6KFF/PYXIS". It includes a screenshot of the Ursa 12K-style crop selection UI as well as an example of what the new crops would look like. If you have any interest in that, please leave a post on that topic showing support for it. I can't link to the topic here because I think that caused my last comment to be removed. I'm probably going to post a link to your video in the topic because I think you're a really good example of someone who would find the change useful. Great video!
I actually saw that post on the forums last week and it's a great suggestion. I wanted to talk more about the features of having more options with aspect ratios, but I didn't want to make a video that was 25+ minutes long haha. But yes I agree, it is like having two cameras in one. And the s35 modes have a faster sensor readout than the 6k/6k pro have. Personally when it comes to visual quality I'm not sure why the s16 modes exist on this camera, I get they are useful in a pinch, but visually I wouldn't want to put on s16 primes and shoot on this camera, because it just wouldn't look that good. But thanks for the comment and for watching.
@@films_by_aw I agree about the S16 crops. I don't think anybody who wants to shoot with Super 16 lenses would choose the 6K FF over the Pocket 4K which has a much higher resolution S16 mode with better readouts. The only reason I included them in my feature request is because I know Blackmagic wouldn't want to take any shooting modes out unless there's at least a decent replacement. By leaning into the idea of maximizing the image circle though, the S16 family of crops would at least be slightly higher resolution than what we have now and still provide the same frame rates and a little higher. I originally included stuff asking them to use the sensor's second, faster readout mode which should allow 120 fps at around 3K but the post already had enough in it and I felt like I could get more eyes on the topic by expanding it to the Pocket cameras lol I'm glad you like the feature request though! I've been trying to point people to it on other platforms to try to get the topic more active so BMD takes notice. With any luck, they'll listen like they did when they added crops to the P4K.
I bought Sony again will see how they compare, been using the FF for about a year now. Oh and I found out of all BM cameras I have - this one is the hardest one to edit in terms of processing power, even though it's same resolution but still, my M2 Pro Mac chokes up. R3D and Arri RAW files do the same though
seems like 6k pro is still king which is mindblowing very excited for the pyxis tho with that box style and FF sensor, might pick that one up later once everyone in public gets to test it out and have their opinions on it
Came into the same things with my F55, which I needed something for small Interiors and gimbal work, I have a BMPCC 6K but I bought an FX30, love the small form factor and how well it matches to the F55.
It's great what these small cameras can do. As much as I used to love the bigger "proper" cinema cameras, if a small camera can do 90 percent of the same thing, why not. Less weight on your back for sure.
They actually recommend on the website that if you’re shooting at ISO 1000 to go ahead and bump up to 1250 instead because the image will clean back up.
Yes, I never shoot at ISO 1000, for me it's either 400,800 or 1250. But for this example someone else was using the camera and didn't know how the ISOs worked, but it was useful for showing how effective noise reduction is.
Thanks man, so some are on the festival circuits. But you can see my short films on my films playlist ruclips.net/p/PLLj6-KRPYjgUHlggCEMfMYGUWpI1BxilK&si=_o5pOWNOp77vOiNw
In the UK I believe it's being released very soon, but I'm looking into it as I know it's been a great source of revenue for independent films. Do you have films there?
I like your take on the Blackmagic cameras, I have the 6k pro, the micro G2 and the ursa 12 all of which I love, I do understand what you said about having a beautiful screen but having to block it with a power solution but I took care of that problem a long time ago , I will be sending you a link shortly, the 6k full frame for me for some reason did not fit well with me but on the other hand the micro G2 is a beast most people are sleeping on
you can correct the jello without adding stabilisation by using the stabilisation gyro in resolve and put the value to 0, it'll adjust for the sensor latency and crop in.
Thanks for the suggestion. I personally like to keep my rig as compact as possible, without adding more wires, so I prefer not having battery solutions that need to be attached on the cage personally. It's just a preference thing. And I don't mind changing batteries every hour, and to be honest with how quickly the camera boots on, I don't mind turning it off and on. Even with the Alexa 35 the battery only lasts about an hour and a half, so changing battery frequently isn't too bad. But thanks for the suggestion, I will check it out.
From my point of view BM really needs to start implementing newer technology in their cameras and not relying only and always on the color science mantra. More over in a market where the other contenders offer already a quite comparable image quality but way higher usability.
Good point, we have lots of options, I guess just use what you feel suits your workflow (and budget) and don't look back! However I'd argue if you are using manual lenses a lot of the benefits of using the other systems at this price point goes out of the window. But if you spend more then sure you'll get a way better camera.
Yes it's not been announced yet but if you email them or talk to their chat service they will confirm. I'm waiting on it being announced so I can get a pre order in
Higher frame rates are only noisey because the higher the frame rates on any camera, requires more light. 120fps in HD is very usable but you need to pump more light in. That’s not exclusive to Blackmagic.
I understand what you are saying but I'm not talking about noise as in noise that comes from under exposure, I'm talking about noise or rather that when you zoom in that much on the sensor (which Blackmagic is doing because of raw) you get less sharpness and even at the correct exposure and shooting at normal speed, there is still this lack of sharpness and "noise" I dont know the technical term, but it's not the camera strength to shoot that cropped in, in my opinion of course. But thanks for watching and I appreciate the comment.
I think it's worse in low light because it records in raw, no internal noise reduction, and unlike 6k Pro, it has bigger sensor which will record more noise. Davinci Resolve has very good noise reduction program to clean up the footage in Post-Production. You made a great, comprehensive video.
Thanks for the comment. Yes I don't think it's that big of an issue to be honest, but I wanted to mention it because it's not as good as the other well known full frame cameras. But Resolve adds so much more value to the camera.
Having a bigger sensor should allow you to get a cleaner image as it gathers more light thats why the fx6 and fx3 are great in low light. it shouldnt record more noise, thats why micro four thirds sensors are terrible in lowlight. Tbh it may be less clean because it record 6k too also another reason why sony went for 4k as it has bigger "microns" or whatever its called making it gather more light :)
@@stuartswindellcampoy8483Incorrect. I dont mean to be the nerd that argues for no reason but the amount of misinformation in the camera space pisses me off. Whether the sensor is big and small, it's size has nothing to do with sensitivity to light. The biggest factor to noise is the signal to noise ratio. Fullframe sensors usually have a bigger pixel pitch and a bigger full well capacity, but there are also smaller sensors with bigger pixel pitches. Also the electronics and temperature produce noise aswell. Your argument only applies to sensors from the same generation/family. Micro four thirds sensors were terrible in low light due to not having the r&d that fullframe has and they just now became backside illuminated, so that argument doesn't stand either. BMCC 6K seems to have a sensor from a completely different family than the BMPCC 6K so comparing their iso performance is kind of useless
@@stuartswindellcampoy8483 you will get more light on your sensor when it's bigger but you will also get more noise. Unlike Fx6 and Fx3 that have internal noise reduction and compression, BMCC records in raw, it leaves you with the decision how to deal with the noise in post-production.
Hello, do you have any BRAW footage available by any chance from BMCC 6k with these pavo lenses? I'm trying to decide whether or not it's worth the ugprade (I currently have bmpcc 6k og) and want to play with the footage in davinci
Hi Matey, sorry I'm not able to share the original files at the moment, I'll keep that in mind for the future though. I'd say it's worth the upgrade, but keep a hold of your 6K as well if you can, that camera is going to be useful for years to come.
When I say Cinema 6K I mean the Cinema Camera 6K Full Frame, it's just a mouthful to say that every time. But if you mean at the beginning of the video, I meant I had
@@films_by_aw It was disaster and depending on unit. I remember it so many people complaining about it. It was all over youtube. 😆 People havin different color cast depending on unit. It was fpn disaster bu with nds 😆
Just a note, the RUclips compression has made some of the noise a bit harder to see, which in itself gives food for thought. Also I am aware the sensor was a bit dirty, the product shots weren't of my Cinema 6K, and I didn't want to touch a sensor of a camera that wasn't mine! Excuses over, I hope you guys enjoy the review!
I agree with you about there color science, especially for darker skin tones
Beautiful colours for beautiful people, I love it.
Shot my 2023 feature "Hurry Monday"[now streaming] on a 6k pro and I love the look.
It's a beautiful camera. I don't think I'll ever sell mine, it's too useful. I'm glad you loved the image you got from it.
Hey man, great review thank you
Thanks for watching!
Sadly I got mine well before the sale price but I have no regrets. Love the camera. Shoot after shoot I get more impressed with what I can do.
Yes I feel the same way, the more I use it the more I love it. It's quickly becoming my favourite camera
I'm glad that someone else sees the benefit in being able to shoot S35 on this camera. It's like having two cameras in one.
Between your praise of it's S35 crop and your criticisms of it's lack of high frame rate options, I think you might be interested in a feature request topic that I made on the Blackmagic forums. It's primarily about adding an Ursa 12K-style crop selection UI which would add crops between 6K and 4K and between S16 and 4K so you can more gradually trade off resolution for frame rate. However, I added my own little spin to it where it would have a family of crops specifically for getting the maximum use out of the Super 35 image circle. With it, you'd be able to shoot 16:9 4.6K at up to 60 fps, 17:9 60fps at almost 4.7K, and 2.4:1 70fps at nearly 4.9K all while shooting with a Super 35 lens. In other words, it would pretty much match the resolution of the Alexa 35, too.
The topic is called "FEATURE REQUEST - U12K-style crop UI for P4K, 6K, 6KFF/PYXIS". It includes a screenshot of the Ursa 12K-style crop selection UI as well as an example of what the new crops would look like. If you have any interest in that, please leave a post on that topic showing support for it. I can't link to the topic here because I think that caused my last comment to be removed.
I'm probably going to post a link to your video in the topic because I think you're a really good example of someone who would find the change useful. Great video!
I actually saw that post on the forums last week and it's a great suggestion. I wanted to talk more about the features of having more options with aspect ratios, but I didn't want to make a video that was 25+ minutes long haha. But yes I agree, it is like having two cameras in one. And the s35 modes have a faster sensor readout than the 6k/6k pro have. Personally when it comes to visual quality I'm not sure why the s16 modes exist on this camera, I get they are useful in a pinch, but visually I wouldn't want to put on s16 primes and shoot on this camera, because it just wouldn't look that good.
But thanks for the comment and for watching.
@@films_by_aw I agree about the S16 crops. I don't think anybody who wants to shoot with Super 16 lenses would choose the 6K FF over the Pocket 4K which has a much higher resolution S16 mode with better readouts.
The only reason I included them in my feature request is because I know Blackmagic wouldn't want to take any shooting modes out unless there's at least a decent replacement. By leaning into the idea of maximizing the image circle though, the S16 family of crops would at least be slightly higher resolution than what we have now and still provide the same frame rates and a little higher.
I originally included stuff asking them to use the sensor's second, faster readout mode which should allow 120 fps at around 3K but the post already had enough in it and I felt like I could get more eyes on the topic by expanding it to the Pocket cameras lol
I'm glad you like the feature request though! I've been trying to point people to it on other platforms to try to get the topic more active so BMD takes notice. With any luck, they'll listen like they did when they added crops to the P4K.
also thanks for this video Anderson!! AW are my initials too :)
Thanks for watching
I bought Sony again will see how they compare, been using the FF for about a year now. Oh and I found out of all BM cameras I have - this one is the hardest one to edit in terms of processing power, even though it's same resolution but still, my M2 Pro Mac chokes up. R3D and Arri RAW files do the same though
4.6K Pro Res 4444 chugs more on my M1 Pro than 6K Braw. But the fact that we can edit any of these Raw 12-16bit codecs on a laptop is kind of crazy.
seems like 6k pro is still king which is mindblowing
very excited for the pyxis tho with that box style and FF sensor, might pick that one up later once everyone in public gets to test it out and have their opinions on it
I'm keeping my 6K pro till it breaks.
Came into the same things with my F55, which I needed something for small Interiors and gimbal work, I have a BMPCC 6K but I bought an FX30, love the small form factor and how well it matches to the F55.
It's great what these small cameras can do. As much as I used to love the bigger "proper" cinema cameras, if a small camera can do 90 percent of the same thing, why not. Less weight on your back for sure.
The Arria clip of the matching photos appears to have some light diffusion applied to it, like a 1/8 pro mist filter blooming affect.
That's just the difference in the highlight rolloff, no filters applied.
They actually recommend on the website that if you’re shooting at ISO 1000 to go ahead and bump up to 1250 instead because the image will clean back up.
Yes, I never shoot at ISO 1000, for me it's either 400,800 or 1250. But for this example someone else was using the camera and didn't know how the ISOs worked, but it was useful for showing how effective noise reduction is.
Nice work and video. I really like the color Blackmagic science. I own the BMCC 6K as well .
Thank you! Yes it's a great camera, I love the look it creates.
@@films_by_aw I would love to see you short film. Is it available?
Also, I was wondering, do you guys have access to the Tubi free movie streaming platform?
Thanks man, so some are on the festival circuits. But you can see my short films on my films playlist
ruclips.net/p/PLLj6-KRPYjgUHlggCEMfMYGUWpI1BxilK&si=_o5pOWNOp77vOiNw
In the UK I believe it's being released very soon, but I'm looking into it as I know it's been a great source of revenue for independent films. Do you have films there?
I like your take on the Blackmagic cameras, I have the 6k pro, the micro G2 and the ursa 12 all of which I love, I do understand what you said about having a beautiful screen but having to block it with a power solution but I took care of that problem a long time ago , I will be sending you a link shortly, the 6k full frame for me for some reason did not fit well with me but on the other hand the micro G2 is a beast most people are sleeping on
Blackmagic is a value packed ecosystem, there's a lot to love about them. I'm glad they are working for you!
@@films_by_aw ruclips.net/user/shorts3T8Zc1eVXPY?si=c4XdRJZIdulmz9Ge
Great indepth look at the Cinenma Camera 6k. Its a great camera, especially if you managed to get it when it went on sale.
It was too good a deal to resist
you can correct the jello without adding stabilisation by using the stabilisation gyro in resolve and put the value to 0, it'll adjust for the sensor latency and crop in.
Yes that's what I did in the video!
Awesome review/comparison, bro! Low light is disappointing, but if it's as good as the pocket 4k, which I'm used to, that's fine.
It's fine for most situations. I just don't want to pretend its like Sony Venice levels.
I use a CCTECH small battery block that mount on top of the cage to get an extra 2hrs of power so with an internal battery a total of 3hrs.
Thanks for the suggestion. I personally like to keep my rig as compact as possible, without adding more wires, so I prefer not having battery solutions that need to be attached on the cage personally. It's just a preference thing. And I don't mind changing batteries every hour, and to be honest with how quickly the camera boots on, I don't mind turning it off and on. Even with the Alexa 35 the battery only lasts about an hour and a half, so changing battery frequently isn't too bad. But thanks for the suggestion, I will check it out.
Any camera that shoots log can match anything. Just need to do some quick work in resolve
Sure if you are a good colourist of course. I'm not, admittedly.
It’s has dual native iso (400 & 3200]. How can it be bad in low light?
It's not bad, it's just not as good as other cameras that are full frame. But we are spoiled for choice.
From my point of view BM really needs to start implementing newer technology in their cameras and not relying only and always on the color science mantra.
More over in a market where the other contenders offer already a quite comparable image quality but way higher usability.
Good point, we have lots of options, I guess just use what you feel suits your workflow (and budget) and don't look back! However I'd argue if you are using manual lenses a lot of the benefits of using the other systems at this price point goes out of the window. But if you spend more then sure you'll get a way better camera.
@@films_by_aw Agree, even tho a bright and bigger external screen that you can position anywhere most of the times is a must for me. 👍🏻
Hi, thanks for the video ! Where did you find infos on this breakthrough L to EF drop-in adapter ? I can't fint it anywhere...
Yes it's not been announced yet but if you email them or talk to their chat service they will confirm. I'm waiting on it being announced so I can get a pre order in
Higher frame rates are only noisey because the higher the frame rates on any camera, requires more light. 120fps in HD is very usable but you need to pump more light in. That’s not exclusive to Blackmagic.
I understand what you are saying but I'm not talking about noise as in noise that comes from under exposure, I'm talking about noise or rather that when you zoom in that much on the sensor (which Blackmagic is doing because of raw) you get less sharpness and even at the correct exposure and shooting at normal speed, there is still this lack of sharpness and "noise" I dont know the technical term, but it's not the camera strength to shoot that cropped in, in my opinion of course. But thanks for watching and I appreciate the comment.
I shot in 120p 1080 on my Cinema 6k with lights and it beat my S1 and Pocket 4k at 120p 2.6k.
Add lights it’s the best 120p I’ve ever seen.
I think it's worse in low light because it records in raw, no internal noise reduction, and unlike 6k Pro, it has bigger sensor which will record more noise. Davinci Resolve has very good noise reduction program to clean up the footage in Post-Production. You made a great, comprehensive video.
Thanks for the comment. Yes I don't think it's that big of an issue to be honest, but I wanted to mention it because it's not as good as the other well known full frame cameras. But Resolve adds so much more value to the camera.
Having a bigger sensor should allow you to get a cleaner image as it gathers more light thats why the fx6 and fx3 are great in low light. it shouldnt record more noise, thats why micro four thirds sensors are terrible in lowlight. Tbh it may be less clean because it record 6k too also another reason why sony went for 4k as it has bigger "microns" or whatever its called making it gather more light :)
@@stuartswindellcampoy8483Incorrect. I dont mean to be the nerd that argues for no reason but the amount of misinformation in the camera space pisses me off.
Whether the sensor is big and small, it's size has nothing to do with sensitivity to light. The biggest factor to noise is the signal to noise ratio. Fullframe sensors usually have a bigger pixel pitch and a bigger full well capacity, but there are also smaller sensors with bigger pixel pitches. Also the electronics and temperature produce noise aswell. Your argument only applies to sensors from the same generation/family.
Micro four thirds sensors were terrible in low light due to not having the r&d that fullframe has and they just now became backside illuminated, so that argument doesn't stand either.
BMCC 6K seems to have a sensor from a completely different family than the BMPCC 6K so comparing their iso performance is kind of useless
@@stuartswindellcampoy8483 you will get more light on your sensor when it's bigger but you will also get more noise. Unlike Fx6 and Fx3 that have internal noise reduction and compression, BMCC records in raw, it leaves you with the decision how to deal with the noise in post-production.
@@Libratv I mean I got noise reduction turned off and it's clean, I guess the fx3 you can't turn off but my FX6 yes :)
Hello, do you have any BRAW footage available by any chance from BMCC 6k with these pavo lenses? I'm trying to decide whether or not it's worth the ugprade (I currently have bmpcc 6k og) and want to play with the footage in davinci
Hi Matey, sorry I'm not able to share the original files at the moment, I'll keep that in mind for the future though. I'd say it's worth the upgrade, but keep a hold of your 6K as well if you can, that camera is going to be useful for years to come.
The new Lumix records internal Arri log
That's great, the more cameras that can replicate that look the better!
witch camera you taking about 6k or 6k g2?
When I say Cinema 6K I mean the Cinema Camera 6K Full Frame, it's just a mouthful to say that every time. But if you mean at the beginning of the video, I meant I had
Quick answer... with controlled lightning maybe. with high dynamic range... NO WAY. only C70 a camera with a similar dynamic range.
We used a C70 as a BTS camera, it's good a camera for sure.
Internal nd can be awful if not done right and you are stuck with it. on 6k pro nd filter have color cast and detail loss
Used them for 3 years and all sorts of projects and never noticed any issues, but fair enough.
@@films_by_aw It was disaster and depending on unit. I remember it so many people complaining about it. It was all over youtube. 😆 People havin different color cast depending on unit. It was fpn disaster bu with nds 😆
Doesnt make sense thats its worse in low light than the 6k pro.
It's a question for Blackmagic's engineers I suppose.