The biggest issue I have is I’m always seeming to fight for side to side position (I have Sterzo steering) and my avatar even bounces side to side when I’m just rolling along in a straight line. I spend most of my rides now screaming “get the bleedin’ hell out of my way!” 😂
Really struggling with the watt wasting window being back in the big groups. Big surges needed to overtake those falling off the pack or just in the way. According to sauce data i'm no longer efficient vs other riders in a group, previously I could be. Additionally, as you displayed... when I actually fight to break that sticky draft, when you are at the front of the pack it is easy to sneak away with no extra effort. I'm hating it, and I feel like riders lighter than me would be experiencing a really difficult time.
I feel the same. Also when I try to takeover a pull… as a light rider it feels so hard to takeover if I’m in a break with others. I’d almost prefer to go solo now. If I’m with a few I have 2 options. Die trying to take pulls, or sit on and risk the group catching.
Lighter rider here. Sometimes I feel like it would be easier to move up in a TTT to take my pull by just steering out of the draft! It's like i have a short leash on me preventing me from surging forward.
I think there is merit to that, just a slight change of line. But also perhaps the technique changes slightly, lead rider pulls off rather than new rider trying to take over? Like in a teams pursuit on the track? The lead rider just steers away and eases power. Maybe I'll try this with my team when my fitness returns.
This is good to know! I feel like you could waste a lot of watts in a race trying to move up to the front before a climb or the end sprint or something. This would be even more interesting with Sauce for zwift showing the draft numbers. Thanks for posting.
Yeah it definitely highlights easing the watts to find some room near the back, then gaining a slight momentum advantage again. I might do another video comparing the Aero frame and wheels to climbing setup in a bunch on the flat - does the aero advantage really make a difference in the draft? I'll try get sauce setup for both screens perhaps.
In a race of 20-30 riders I found the pack was snaking more over the road. Front riders attacking with steering, riders behind slowly moving to that draft with a delayed reaction throughout the pack & at some spots it broke because the draft was gone. Steering helps to anticipate this effect
Was it a group ride "race", I was finding that with the MAAP series which is why I'm guessing autosteering won't take you all the way to the gutter. The snaking affect probably goes insane?
I haven't looked at the forums, I guess I should , but this answers my nagging question of the last 3 weeks or so.... did they F*(k with pack dynamics again?? It's so bad now. There's also a bit of sticky draft back.
Yeah the discussion inside the latest game version thread. I have been checking every few days to see if Zwift say anything but perhaps they are just on holidays atm.
Oof, that sluggish steering... I purposefully multi-tap to slowly move across when targeting the apex of a corner, with the swift steering for attacks/bridging/hairpins/pulling off the front... but being that slow when holding the steering down will drive me insane. I get the blocking, I think that's a nice feature, as annoying as it is ;-) But that slow movement, awful! The other thing with what was possibly PD5.0 was that it was more lane-like than blob-like (e.g. how MyWhoosh currently works), and riders suddenly migrating hard left/right into separate lanes. But I didn't see that here?
Yeah if anything there seems to be 2 lanes that end up developing, but who knows how things will change, maybe their is a PD5.1 on the way? Maybe that's why they are keeping quiet at ZwiftHQ?
Im finding it kicking me out into the wind in the pack, and backing off does not put me back in the pack. it can be frustrating. I think its a conspiracy to make everyone buy zwift controllers
@@roadcyclist1 I just bought steering because I was so frustrated about popping out to the side non-stop when there's 5 riders in a nice line in front of me
Fair point, I try to condense the video as much as possible, if people just want to see the pack dynamics then I guess they can just mute my commentary on what's happening. Could someone make a better video with a written script? Most likely.
@@jameskim3the steering will work, but yeah the virtual shifting won't work which is annoying from Wahoo. Especially as Elite have stated that all their old trainers will get virtual shifting this year.
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The biggest issue I have is I’m always seeming to fight for side to side position (I have Sterzo steering) and my avatar even bounces side to side when I’m just rolling along in a straight line. I spend most of my rides now screaming “get the bleedin’ hell out of my way!” 😂
I'll watch that stream though 😄
Really struggling with the watt wasting window being back in the big groups. Big surges needed to overtake those falling off the pack or just in the way. According to sauce data i'm no longer efficient vs other riders in a group, previously I could be. Additionally, as you displayed... when I actually fight to break that sticky draft, when you are at the front of the pack it is easy to sneak away with no extra effort. I'm hating it, and I feel like riders lighter than me would be experiencing a really difficult time.
You will get no sympathy for lighter riders here #piesforthewin
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I feel the same. Also when I try to takeover a pull… as a light rider it feels so hard to takeover if I’m in a break with others. I’d almost prefer to go solo now. If I’m with a few I have 2 options. Die trying to take pulls, or sit on and risk the group catching.
Lighter rider here. Sometimes I feel like it would be easier to move up in a TTT to take my pull by just steering out of the draft! It's like i have a short leash on me preventing me from surging forward.
I think there is merit to that, just a slight change of line. But also perhaps the technique changes slightly, lead rider pulls off rather than new rider trying to take over? Like in a teams pursuit on the track? The lead rider just steers away and eases power.
Maybe I'll try this with my team when my fitness returns.
This explains the snaking and splitting peleton with pacers. Lol. I thought it was me getting weaker.
This is good to know! I feel like you could waste a lot of watts in a race trying to move up to the front before a climb or the end sprint or something. This would be even more interesting with Sauce for zwift showing the draft numbers.
Thanks for posting.
Yeah it definitely highlights easing the watts to find some room near the back, then gaining a slight momentum advantage again.
I might do another video comparing the Aero frame and wheels to climbing setup in a bunch on the flat - does the aero advantage really make a difference in the draft?
I'll try get sauce setup for both screens perhaps.
Great video, thanks for all the info.
loving the vids Ben 👍👍
Cheers Nile, good to know that they are appreciated ❤
Thanks Ben, this is really helpful insight in to how Zwift works. Can't wait to not follow any of it in my next race!
In a race of 20-30 riders I found the pack was snaking more over the road. Front riders attacking with steering, riders behind slowly moving to that draft with a delayed reaction throughout the pack & at some spots it broke because the draft was gone. Steering helps to anticipate this effect
Was it a group ride "race", I was finding that with the MAAP series which is why I'm guessing autosteering won't take you all the way to the gutter. The snaking affect probably goes insane?
zracing flat is fast on tempus fugit. High speeds so out of the draft = killing
Guru status confirmed
I'm not bad at the quiz, the quiz just asks the wrong questions 😆
Fantastic video.
I haven't looked at the forums, I guess I should , but this answers my nagging question of the last 3 weeks or so.... did they F*(k with pack dynamics again??
It's so bad now. There's also a bit of sticky draft back.
lol...dooh...I commented before finishing! Glad to see you point out the SD too!
Yeah the discussion inside the latest game version thread. I have been checking every few days to see if Zwift say anything but perhaps they are just on holidays atm.
Great T-shirt. 😅
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Can u buy controllers in Australia yet?
No and it's ridiculous!
Oof, that sluggish steering... I purposefully multi-tap to slowly move across when targeting the apex of a corner, with the swift steering for attacks/bridging/hairpins/pulling off the front... but being that slow when holding the steering down will drive me insane. I get the blocking, I think that's a nice feature, as annoying as it is ;-) But that slow movement, awful! The other thing with what was possibly PD5.0 was that it was more lane-like than blob-like (e.g. how MyWhoosh currently works), and riders suddenly migrating hard left/right into separate lanes. But I didn't see that here?
Yeah if anything there seems to be 2 lanes that end up developing, but who knows how things will change, maybe their is a PD5.1 on the way? Maybe that's why they are keeping quiet at ZwiftHQ?
I’ve been not liking the current feel.
Hopefully there is a PD5.1 on the way shortly
Im finding it kicking me out into the wind in the pack, and backing off does not put me back in the pack. it can be frustrating. I think its a conspiracy to make everyone buy zwift controllers
Everytime I look at my keyboard and ask "why can't I use this to steer Zwift!!!" 😂
Youre confused. It's popping us out the side if we HAVE steering. The non steering people are kept in the middle
@@roadcyclist1 definitely popping out non steering avatars too.
@@roadcyclist1 am non steering. And I'm getting popped out
@@roadcyclist1 I just bought steering because I was so frustrated about popping out to the side non-stop when there's 5 riders in a nice line in front of me
The video felt a bit unfocused and rambling.
Fair point, I try to condense the video as much as possible, if people just want to see the pack dynamics then I guess they can just mute my commentary on what's happening.
Could someone make a better video with a written script? Most likely.
Uhhhh I guess I need Zwift play controllers 🤣🤣
They’re on sale for 50% off right now 👍
@andymiller54 zomg. Done. You just pwned me.
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@@titaniumben9923 damnit, I have an older version of the kickr. New Trainer Day too?!? 🤣 (Unless you know of a way for it to work otherwise...)
@@jameskim3the steering will work, but yeah the virtual shifting won't work which is annoying from Wahoo. Especially as Elite have stated that all their old trainers will get virtual shifting this year.