I agree. I'd argue Senna was an even better love interest for Ichigo than Rukia. I loved her character development throughout the movie, her shikai and design were awesome and this movie honestly was better than some arcs of bleach lmao.
Ik I'm just saying that their chemistry would also make for a more enjoyable dynamic to watch than say Ichigo and orihime's dynamic. One reason the soul society arc is better than the hueco mundo arc (in addition to everything else) is that when rukia was kidnapped, the audience cares because shes a good character with strong ties that we've seen develop throughout the series. When orihime was kidnapped.....there was a part of me that was hoping she'd die.
It really messed me up for a long time even for an anime ending to suggest a character has her soul/existence to be wiped out despite going thru so much together. Though the ending scene suggest Ichigo has some sort of fleeting moment remembering Senna
Also has one of the best ending themes from the series, so why not let it be canon? Also seems like Ichigo vaguely remembered the movie anyway - Senna's ribbon was a testament to that.
I always thought of the movies and fillers as what if scenarios for fun but I feel like they are also ideas and concepts that tell about Bleach's lore in a roundabout way rather than a direct one. Also I always imagined him going to the Valley of Screams as being part of his training with the Royal Guard and learning more about how zanpakutos are made; in this case how the "dark ones" manipulated blanks to create and power their weapons, I felt that blanks may be involved in forging zanpakutos as well.
But at the end of the movie they show Senna being reborn as someone else running towards Ichigo and then after seeing her he gives a smile and walks away showing that he remembered her even when she was gone. So maybe he does remember her in the end...
I can definitely seeing it being cannon and fitting in between those chapters. The fact he doesn’t remember Rukia has gotten back to full strength would make sense with the memory wipe. He only remembers that he was there could be due to it being a pocket dimension. Time and space can already get pretty funky when in the dangai so it wouldn’t be that hard to imagine that he could have some faint memories of being there.
Memories of Nobody could fit perfectly into the canon, right after the Soul Society arc. Then again I always wondered how much time of difference was between the Soul Society arc and the Arrancar arc in the manga.
Its been 4 years but the movie has come to mind recently. I look at it like this, The events happened but nobody remembers, Ichigo is able to recall having been there but not the why like a distant memory you just cant quite grasp, like some people dont forget faces and youll encounter that person again weeks later, you know you have seen them but cant place where. So i feel like its possible, and would even like to think, that he is able to remember Senna from time to time. Not so much of who she was but more the feelings she invoked.
Thank you for supporting the best anime series out there, I hate that Bleach get's terrible treatment by the majority. It deserves a lot of respect. Keep it up, man!
I know in the ending credits scene with ichigo seeing the girl who resembles senna kind of implies that he remembers the events of what happened. Maybe that scene took place after rukia revealed her shikai making it so he had no memories of it beforehand but after this event he can remember the events of the movie.
I really enjoy your analytical videos and hope there's be many more theories, character developments, relationship comparisons/interactions/growth, or discussions in addition to whatever else you're thinking of producing!
Remember the animal filler arc when toshiro, rangiku, and the two squad 11 guys came to the world of the living a few months before the winter war. In the movie we see toshiro and rangiku already in the world of the living, so it wouldn't be a surprise if that's when the movie takes place.
@@letsart6434 1) Pretty much no shippers care who he ended up with 2) Senna's relationship with Kurosaki had more screen time than any other female character in this anime. Inoue kinda liked him but that was one-sided for the entirety of the anime and there is nothing he did to her what he wouldn't do for Chad, Arisawa, Ishida or any other of his friends. 3) Senna is cute and likable character, who seems like a good pair for him. Cheeeful, not touchy, not as strict and abusive as Rukia and not as soft and in general bland as Inoue (her puppy eyes and eternal "Kurosaki~kun" quickly got quite annouing when you understand that these 2 traits are the only thing you can say about her).
Since the thing about her being wiped from existence and technically never has and everyone's memory of her therefore being erased because she didn't exist- This makes it very likely to be part of baseline/canon. The crisis was averted and there was not long time damaging impacts to even suggest that the event happened in the first place, forever and completely forgotten with no evidence or proof of existence except for the wounds that would quickly heal with healing hands and the ribbon that Ichigo bought for her, already existed in the human world in the first place and didn't come with her. The events happened without controversy, quickly, and without lasting fuss so it wouldn't make an impact on the timeline. The very real possibility of this being a part of the main series is there. Even more so the the Hell movie that was approved to be at least partially baseline with how some things were envisioned.
after the last chapter of bleach i assumed senna was actually rukia and renji's child ichika who after possibly dying or if now dying somehow got stuck in the valley of screams only to escape with her memories messed up and in the past. fading possibly to her not existing yet or because her body was used for the memories but her soul already passed.
Ive only watched the abridged version of memories but i have watched fade to black but it was years ago and cant remeber it so imma take the time to watch this and hell verse seeing i havent watched either
I would say in all honesty, i believe in the multiple universe theory of bleach, to where IT did happen.... just to a different ichigo. Whether the case..... I really loved this movie, and it hit my feels button hard.
Hell yeah, it's canon! With the memory loss thingy everything can be explained away to fit in perfectly. Also weird theory I came up upon rewatching the movie around the final chapters of the manga releasing: Since Ganryuu's abilities forging weapons from the Blanks is reminiscent of the quincies reishi manipulation and the time of his banishment matches with Yuha's first invasion. What if Ganryuu was a noble and a captain during the Quincy war who betrayed te Soul Society and stood by Yuha's side. Also their final plan was veeery similar with the merging of worlds, just Ganryuu's more crude and destructive. As for the Diamond Dust Rebellion, cinsider that semi-canon.: with the King's Seals hacks AF powers, weird stuff can happen. If it was transported when the squad zero dude crafted Hyourinmaru's asauichi and it did random stuff then, the inconsistency in zanpakutou lore can be explained away. As for the timeline, impossible to fit in, but don't have to. In the main timeline, the 2 Hyourinmaru and Kusaka's 'death sentence' by the central 46 happened, and he never came back. The events of the movie take place in an alternate timeline created by the seal. At least that is my headcanon
This is why I love Bleach, and Tite Kubo he put's the little things in his story and manga, we do not know when or where the memories of nobody takes place. But the valley of the screams is said by Ichigo I remember, then we have no chose but too look at the movie and try to find where it fits. I put this has canon for the Main Character claims he remembers being there. I have watched Bleach religiously, I don't own any manga, but I do own color bleach, and the both characters book's. But Bleach dose not need a data book, like Naruto to explain there Characters. I think the valley of the screams is a different mimi universe, Soul society and Hueco Mundo etc. But too help pin point this.. To promote the film, the opening and closing credits for episodes 106 through 109 of the Bleach anime use footage from the film. I Love you're videos I' am with you on this one JaymesHanson
So there are six dimensions In bleach sereite, earth, Hueco mundo/Los noches, dangai, hell, and valley of screams so dang yhwach was going to destroy six dimensions that's crazy.
rukia came to the school with other team members, their mission is to stay there and help ichigo, but in the movie, many of them are still in soul society when things went wrong, so i prefer to see it as a separate story.
I know I'm 3 years late but can you explain the ending? Did she come back or just the memory of her in that girl who looks like her? I mean the other girls even called her name at one point and ad she ran by ichigo and he had her ribbon he remembers her even if it was a split second
yeah from my understanding it was just supposed coincidence that a girl looked like senna walked past ichigo, which isn’t actually her because she is mixture of souls, and she wasn’t actually a whole person. It’s such a good movie but at the same time very sad lol
@@benhurzz yeah its very bitter sweet in a way I want her to come back in the next season some how. but it wasnt written in the manga so doubt it. but maybe its better left the way it is.
I think its more like the hell verse where the concept is cannon but the actual movie is different from the cannon story with some minor differences. Kinda like the difference between the dragon ball super movies and the dragon ball super anime (or even the dragon ball super anime and the dragon ball super manga). Same concept different execution.
zangetsu+sode no shirayuki+live together+no other shingamis around, never happened in manga but only appeared in animation and movies, it's so convenient for ichiruki fandom to use imagination, i think it's a company marketing method
The convo between riruka and ichigo is a contradiction , if his memories have been wiped completely , how does he remember how the valley of screams look like? ps: senna is best girl
He remembers the Valley of Screams, but not Senna, because Senna never existed. The Valley of Screams still does exist though, therefore he wouldn't forget being there, hence what he said in the video.
Its fair to say that alot of the movies are somewhat cannon especially diamond dust rebellion and memories of nobody. And this proves memories of nobody is somewhat cannon.
JaymesHanson i wouldnt say completely canon unless kubo stated so but in no. 3 we have flash backs to renji and rukias past together shown in the anime, same with ichigo. No. 2 also has flash backs that are shown in the anime w toshiro. I guess kubo really set these movies up for the fan to decide wether they are canon. But you can cherry pick tons of scenes in these movies to prove they are somewhat cannon.
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If it means Senna being canon then yes. This is canon.
Kamikaze lmao
I agree. I'd argue Senna was an even better love interest for Ichigo than Rukia. I loved her character development throughout the movie, her shikai and design were awesome and this movie honestly was better than some arcs of bleach lmao.
EdEddNEddy4Ever Bleach isn’t a romance tho.
I agree wholeheartedly 👍🏼👌🏼
Ik I'm just saying that their chemistry would also make for a more enjoyable dynamic to watch than say Ichigo and orihime's dynamic. One reason the soul society arc is better than the hueco mundo arc (in addition to everything else) is that when rukia was kidnapped, the audience cares because shes a good character with strong ties that we've seen develop throughout the series. When orihime was kidnapped.....there was a part of me that was hoping she'd die.
Senna is best girl
Yes!
It really messed me up for a long time even for an anime ending to suggest a character has her soul/existence to be wiped out despite going thru so much together. Though the ending scene suggest Ichigo has some sort of fleeting moment remembering Senna
Senna X Ichigo best ship noice vid btw
Disgusting
@@Juan.Padilla1998 then leave
@@bethanydavis9023 no the ship is just trash lol
@@kiy8415 care to share your reasons why to back your opinion on why it's trash or you just here to troll.
@@bethanydavis9023 why are u so mad why would I troll a trash ship I hate ships that have no reason to be shipped lol
Bleach animation = 😍
Also has one of the best ending themes from the series, so why not let it be canon? Also seems like Ichigo vaguely remembered the movie anyway - Senna's ribbon was a testament to that.
Very nice video m8. Very informative and immensely thorough. 👌🙌😜
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Sup man
Hi!
It is now! Officially in Canon now as of the latest TYBW episode.
I always thought of the movies and fillers as what if scenarios for fun but I feel like they are also ideas and concepts that tell about Bleach's lore in a roundabout way rather than a direct one.
Also I always imagined him going to the Valley of Screams as being part of his training with the Royal Guard and learning more about how zanpakutos are made; in this case how the "dark ones" manipulated blanks to create and power their weapons, I felt that blanks may be involved in forging zanpakutos as well.
*reads title* If not, I will cry. I love this movie. It's my favorite one and sen no yoru wo koete is my favorite song in the series.
But at the end of the movie they show Senna being reborn as someone else running towards Ichigo and then after seeing her he gives a smile and walks away showing that he remembered her even when she was gone. So maybe he does remember her in the end...
I miss Senna ;_;
I can definitely seeing it being cannon and fitting in between those chapters. The fact he doesn’t remember Rukia has gotten back to full strength would make sense with the memory wipe. He only remembers that he was there could be due to it being a pocket dimension. Time and space can already get pretty funky when in the dangai so it wouldn’t be that hard to imagine that he could have some faint memories of being there.
No, and I'll tell you why
BECAUSE MEMORIES OF NOBODY BEING CANON WOULD BE TOO AWESOME,WE CAN'T HAVE THAT
Memories of Nobody could fit perfectly into the canon, right after the Soul Society arc. Then again I always wondered how much time of difference was between the Soul Society arc and the Arrancar arc in the manga.
Best Bleach movie by far, it's the only one that deserves to be canon.
How does he remember the valley of screams but not seeing Rukia’s shikai? I think kubo tried to make this canon, but didn’t think it out too much
Jalen Law Or Ichigo just has a bad memory. Just like in the fullbring arc, one of his old bullies showed up and he had no idea who they were.
NoCavidad lmao that’s ichigo for you he wouldn’t put too much thought into certain things aha
Its been 4 years but the movie has come to mind recently. I look at it like this, The events happened but nobody remembers, Ichigo is able to recall having been there but not the why like a distant memory you just cant quite grasp, like some people dont forget faces and youll encounter that person again weeks later, you know you have seen them but cant place where. So i feel like its possible, and would even like to think, that he is able to remember Senna from time to time. Not so much of who she was but more the feelings she invoked.
They just confirmed it that its canon
Thank you for supporting the best anime series out there, I hate that Bleach get's terrible treatment by the majority. It deserves a lot of respect. Keep it up, man!
I know in the ending credits scene with ichigo seeing the girl who resembles senna kind of implies that he remembers the events of what happened. Maybe that scene took place after rukia revealed her shikai making it so he had no memories of it beforehand but after this event he can remember the events of the movie.
Senna is basically the Xion to Ichigos Roxas
fellow kingdom hearts fan i see
Yes.
That Christmas Riruka really hit me in the feels *reminisces about all the golden multis*
This actually makes sense, nice work James!
Holy shit he actually didn't swear for the whole video!
Until the outro 🙏🙌👍👏
Good Theory Mate 10/10 Looking forward to the merch
I LOVE THIS MOVIE
I really enjoy your analytical videos and hope there's be many more theories, character developments, relationship comparisons/interactions/growth, or discussions in addition to whatever else you're thinking of producing!
Dude this movie was very sad💔
I think it's cannon but only ichigo remembered it happened (though spotily)
Remember the animal filler arc when toshiro, rangiku, and the two squad 11 guys came to the world of the living a few months before the winter war. In the movie we see toshiro and rangiku already in the world of the living, so it wouldn't be a surprise if that's when the movie takes place.
can't fear your own world makes it canon
I like this kind of video glad u made it great work fam
Quality analysis from the Hanson. Big thumbs up for your work!
Welcome back, that's the content I've been waiting for! :)
I really wanted a video on that topic, nice.
Yessssss welcome back Jaymes
Great video man
I hope some parts of filler and movies are adapted into Bleach's canon at some point. Kageroza is best example since he is the creator of Mod Souls.
Hikifune created the mob Souls
great to hear from you again jaymes and with an interesting video no less this was very good m8
My man still holding down Bleach, respect!
Oof....xD Ichigo x Senna ?? Very informative 😊😊
Well Rukia at the end did say that these memories will no longer exist so indirectly it happened and as well as never happened
It's really late to be asking that question.
i have a theory on where it could be placed, but i'll put it on a video very soon, wait for my opinion then
Can't wait for the video
I don't know why I was shipping Senna x Ichigo..
2:29😭
I don't get why people ship Senna and Ichigo. That's not who he ends up with
@@letsart6434 who cares man, Senna and Ichigo would have been amazing and much better than Ichigo and Orihime.
@@thelastmugiwara1410 I know, you're right, I haven't even seen the movie with her in it lol. Maybe I'll like her!
Let'sArt I think you will like her. It’s a cool movie as well.
@@letsart6434
1) Pretty much no shippers care who he ended up with
2) Senna's relationship with Kurosaki had more screen time than any other female character in this anime. Inoue kinda liked him but that was one-sided for the entirety of the anime and there is nothing he did to her what he wouldn't do for Chad, Arisawa, Ishida or any other of his friends.
3) Senna is cute and likable character, who seems like a good pair for him. Cheeeful, not touchy, not as strict and abusive as Rukia and not as soft and in general bland as Inoue (her puppy eyes and eternal "Kurosaki~kun" quickly got quite annouing when you understand that these 2 traits are the only thing you can say about her).
Yes more of this! :D GREAT VIDEO!
its such a sad movie i cant lie
This movie was touching great video informative as well good to see another vid from you
I would prefer Ichiruki than Ichigo and Senna
Says every fake bleach fan ever. You care about shippings than actual storytelling? Sad
Since the thing about her being wiped from existence and technically never has and everyone's memory of her therefore being erased because she didn't exist-
This makes it very likely to be part of baseline/canon.
The crisis was averted and there was not long time damaging impacts to even suggest that the event happened in the first place, forever and completely forgotten with no evidence or proof of existence except for the wounds that would quickly heal with healing hands and the ribbon that Ichigo bought for her, already existed in the human world in the first place and didn't come with her.
The events happened without controversy, quickly, and without lasting fuss so it wouldn't make an impact on the timeline. The very real possibility of this being a part of the main series is there. Even more so the the Hell movie that was approved to be at least partially baseline with how some things were envisioned.
You didnt read the manga
WHOA jaymes still exists
Must be canon. Great video man.
Senna best Girl BTW. Fight me Jaymes XD
Awesome theory. Im really down with it.
I mean if Kubo mention a place within the Manga in such a way, then it has to be true in a sense.
after the last chapter of bleach i assumed senna was actually rukia and renji's child ichika who after possibly dying or if now dying somehow got stuck in the valley of screams only to escape with her memories messed up and in the past. fading possibly to her not existing yet or because her body was used for the memories but her soul already passed.
Nice video man 👍
Hmm, interesting video. My mind started brainstorming so many ideas. Higher forms of bankai, what if the gang meet white ( hollow ichigo) and etc.
Senna pushed two planets apart with an explosion. Scaling for Bleach needs a revamp
Senpai Thomas Lol I thought those were dimensions/realms but I can’t say for sure
Oh man, I totally forgot about the Ichigo development vid you've talked about many months back.
Ive only watched the abridged version of memories but i have watched fade to black but it was years ago and cant remeber it so imma take the time to watch this and hell verse seeing i havent watched either
I would say in all honesty, i believe in the multiple universe theory of bleach, to where IT did happen.... just to a different ichigo. Whether the case..... I really loved this movie, and it hit my feels button hard.
Hell yeah, it's canon!
With the memory loss thingy everything can be explained away to fit in perfectly.
Also weird theory I came up upon rewatching the movie around the final chapters of the manga releasing:
Since Ganryuu's abilities forging weapons from the Blanks is reminiscent of the quincies reishi manipulation and the time of his banishment matches with Yuha's first invasion. What if Ganryuu was a noble and a captain during the Quincy war who betrayed te Soul Society and stood by Yuha's side. Also their final plan was veeery similar with the merging of worlds, just Ganryuu's more crude and destructive.
As for the Diamond Dust Rebellion, cinsider that semi-canon.: with the King's Seals hacks AF powers, weird stuff can happen. If it was transported when the squad zero dude crafted Hyourinmaru's asauichi and it did random stuff then, the inconsistency in zanpakutou lore can be explained away.
As for the timeline, impossible to fit in, but don't have to. In the main timeline, the 2 Hyourinmaru and Kusaka's 'death sentence' by the central 46 happened, and he never came back. The events of the movie take place in an alternate timeline created by the seal. At least that is my headcanon
This is still the only Bleach movie I own. lol
Probably what goes on in Ichigo head when he is trying to remember: deja vu i've been in this place before.
This is why I love Bleach, and Tite Kubo he put's the little things in his story and manga, we do not know when or where the memories of nobody takes place. But the valley of the screams is said by Ichigo I remember, then we have no chose but too look at the movie and try to find where it fits. I put this has canon for the Main Character claims he remembers being there.
I have watched Bleach religiously, I don't own any manga, but I do own color bleach, and the both characters book's. But Bleach dose not need a data book, like Naruto to explain there Characters. I think the valley of the screams is a different mimi universe, Soul society and Hueco Mundo etc. But too help pin point this.. To promote the film, the opening and closing credits for episodes 106 through 109 of the Bleach anime use footage from the film. I Love you're videos I' am with you on this one JaymesHanson
Thank you for that Oof at 0:22.
Do this for every movie! :D
I was sure it wasn’t but maybe not. Very interesting discussion tho, LETS GET IT!
So there are six dimensions In bleach sereite, earth, Hueco mundo/Los noches, dangai, hell, and valley of screams so dang yhwach was going to destroy six dimensions that's crazy.
rukia came to the school with other team members, their mission is to stay there and help ichigo, but in the movie, many of them are still in soul society when things went wrong, so i prefer to see it as a separate story.
I know I'm 3 years late but can you explain the ending? Did she come back or just the memory of her in that girl who looks like her? I mean the other girls even called her name at one point and ad she ran by ichigo and he had her ribbon he remembers her even if it was a split second
yeah from my understanding it was just supposed coincidence that a girl looked like senna walked past ichigo, which isn’t actually her because she is mixture of souls, and she wasn’t actually a whole person. It’s such a good movie but at the same time very sad lol
@@benhurzz yeah its very bitter sweet in a way I want her to come back in the next season some how. but it wasnt written in the manga so doubt it. but maybe its better left the way it is.
I think its more like the hell verse where the concept is cannon but the actual movie is different from the cannon story with some minor differences. Kinda like the difference between the dragon ball super movies and the dragon ball super anime (or even the dragon ball super anime and the dragon ball super manga). Same concept different execution.
Best girl, yeah you're wrong on that bro. Orihime takes that
Kryptonian Saiyan ha! I think u mean Soi Fon
Rukia godstomp
Orihime is trash
Orihime is garbo and her character is as deep as a kiddie pool
Hmmmm wasn’t implied ichigo regained his memories of that at the end of the movie
Great content as always also i personally think that this is canon too
made me think, nice one!
It is CANON!!!!!! Senna was the first girl who had a date with Ichigo!
What are you smoking?
Hmmmm. *this expression means I'm thinking.*
Eyyy fuckk yeah m8
Jaymes actually used my picture. Thanks for noticing me senpai.
dat bbs artwork on the thumbnail. 👌 👌
zangetsu+sode no shirayuki+live together+no other shingamis around, never happened in manga but only appeared in animation and movies, it's so convenient for ichiruki fandom to use imagination, i think it's a company marketing method
Great !
make bleach theory videos
I think that hell verse could be cannon only in the terms of rukis was taken and ichigo goes in
The convo between riruka and ichigo is a contradiction , if his memories have been wiped completely , how does he remember how the valley of screams look like? ps: senna is best girl
He remembers the Valley of Screams, but not Senna, because Senna never existed. The Valley of Screams still does exist though, therefore he wouldn't forget being there, hence what he said in the video.
Bleach greatness
Its fair to say that alot of the movies are somewhat cannon especially diamond dust rebellion and memories of nobody. And this proves memories of nobody is somewhat cannon.
JaymesHanson i wouldnt say completely canon unless kubo stated so but in no. 3 we have flash backs to renji and rukias past together shown in the anime, same with ichigo. No. 2 also has flash backs that are shown in the anime w toshiro. I guess kubo really set these movies up for the fan to decide wether they are canon. But you can cherry pick tons of scenes in these movies to prove they are somewhat cannon.
Ichigo watched the movie. Its not like they don't break the fourth wall
New to this channel liking it so far. Anybody kno if soul resurrection is on ps now?
my favorite bleach movie
Canon or not it’s still my favorite bleach movie, in fact it’s the only bleach movie I bought a physical copy of
a new vid. finally. you been inactive this year so far :(
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0:22 sorry but there is senna😂
Senna is Best Girl in the Series...even though she’s only a Memory.. An Ichigo x Senna here ;-;
I think it is cannon
#BringSennaBack
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