I will use SARCASM for this one. Please take what I am about to say with a grain of salt. I will start by saying , that this is nothing new. SO !!!!!! In 1978 Stanley Allen Meyer from Ohio invented the first water engine and it took the world by storm and caused hundreds of investors to want to be part of this revolutionary technology. Stanley pattented this technology. Needless to say it caused Stanley a lot of legal battles and issues , can you guess what kinds of issues???? Stanley was 57 when he was POISONED in 1998 and I guess the world’s biggest OiL Producers saw this as a threat. Now , toyota invented this new technology???? This is a bunch of Bull Crap. Well guess what? The Amazon river is Bone Dry now and water is becoming a lot more scarce. The same thing happened to Nicholas Tesla and it didn’t work out too well for him either. The World could have been a Utopia for Mankind but Billionare’s want to make millions and the world can go to Hell in a hand basket. Personally I hope it solves our pollution problems and we can save our planet. What upsets me it’s that this could have been done a long time ago. PEACE
Stan Meyer was only able to attract a small handful of investors. After he produced nothing -- not even a real working demo -- for two years, they sued him. He was judged a fraud in court. He filed useless patents... he couldn't have patented the basic idea he was selling, because you can't patent a perpetual motion machine. They're impossible.
I may be dumb about this, but wouldn't this be like a perpetual motion machine? It takes as much energy to split water into hydrogen and oxygen as you get back by burning the hydrogen.
Stanley Meyer proved that Maxwellian "LAW" to be a lie but that's not why they killed him per-se. His under 5 amp 110 volt system was patented in many countries when murdered. The climate lie would have bit the dust had his system gone into mass production, thus the tax on "carbon" would not be justifiable. T H A T S W H Y T H E Y K I L L E D H I M.
Not at all. When you charge a car battery for instance, hydrogen gas is produced, because of the current running through the distilled water in the battery 🔋...😉
I heard that story in the Philippines in the late 80's. The man who claimed to discover the plain water as fuel to the car mysteriously disappeared and never to be found.
It seems like it! At 3:25 they refer to "diluted water", W(ever)TF that is! They might be having a laugh, or they might mean 'distilled water', but either way, if you're trying to build credibility it's not a good look!
@@donbradyjr.5624 Correct...As I remember.....one of the street rod magazines, at that time, actually tested the Smoky's engine mod on a Pontiac Fiero. Worked like a charm....better mileage, plus more horsepower. The patient was sold to one of the popular camshaft manufacturers.....they then sold to another company.....who buried the tech. It preheated gasoline to vapor point....fed to a turbine - like, high speed mixer....then fed to intake ports. Required camshaft swap...and downsizing radiator as engine also ran much cooler. Smokey Yunick, was a brillant engine designer!
Doesn’t this violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics that means you would have to put more energy into splitting water 💦 before burning 🔥 and combining it back into water 💦 again?
The presentation of the idea is COMPLETELY wrong. Whoever has written the script, is not really Science literate. (I wonder how deep was the involvement of chatGPT). The system is not "Fueled" with water. It is fueled with electricity that is used to electrolyze water. ( @1:31 ) Water is just the working fluid. It gets broken down into Hydrogen & Oxygen. The Hydrogen should get separated from Oxygen & stored into a tank for being oxidized back to water in the IC engine. The whole thing still runs on electricity. It is just changing the battery from Lithium ions based system to Hydrogen based one. It is a lot of jumping around in terms of thermodynamics & too complex. For the foreseeable future, I will not be moving my investment from Tesla to Toyota shares.
It probably won't actually combine it back into water otherwise there'd be no energy for the car to use. Even the "actual water engines" people have made for their own cars in videos imply they still have to refill the tank with water but equally as gas vehicles
@@mastupilo9653 I have no idea how these are supposed to work. If you use energy (in any form) to break down water into hydrogen and oxygen you will ALWAYS get less energy back when you burn the hydrogen. If you don't burn the hydrogen, as you suggest, then no energy will be released.
Hate to tell you but a guy made one in the 30s for a contest I think chevy held ,surprisingly the motor,the blueprints, and the guy all disappeared never to be seen again. Incase anyone was wondering how I know this, I tried to do a book report on the carburetor back in the 80s
in new zealand a guy was running a toyota car on water in the 70s his name was archie blue and he was an electrician he was doing what toyota is doing now the theory was he had capacitors to each spark plug and they broke the water down into its separate components so i believe the theory does work anyway he died and his car disappeared so its makes you wonder what happened to him.Appartently he ran his car for years without any issues .
When JP Morgan figured out Tesla wanted to share his free energy discovery with the world for free Morgan cut off his funding. "As long as we have to pay for the necessities to live they will control us all"
Conspiracies, the 30's, the 40's, my retired next door neighbour ( electrical eng. ) buy outs, dissapearances .......now Toyota. Such a beautiful Alice in Wonderland we live in. Bless ur 24 with more dreams.
This reminds me of Filipino Daniel Dingel's invention of a water powered engine for his car, with the same idea of splitting hydrogen and oxygen using electricity from a small battery
In November 2000, John Ding Young of Formosa Plastics Group (FPG) sought Dingel out and, convinced that the invention was genuine, signed a "preliminary understanding" with him for several projects.[3] He aimed to have business partners, get an international patent, and commercialize his technology.[4] In December 2008, Dingel became even more controversial when he was found guilty and sentenced to a maximum of 20 years imprisonment in an estafa (swindling) case filed against him by Young and FPG. In a decision dated December 9, 2008, Judge Rolando How of the Parañaque Regional Trial Court's Branch 257 found him guilty of taking $410,000 from FPG, saying that Dingel "defrauded Young when the inventor failed to fulfill his obligation of developing his 'hydrogen reactor' and creating experimental cars in 2000 Dingel died on October 18, 2010, in Las Pinas City, Metro Manila in the Philippines
QLD Premier Bjelke-Petersen announced a vehicle which would run on Water during 1980’s. However he understood Corruption (and that US-UK Govts support Nazi regimes).
You are right to raise this question. The video does not explain where the electricity comes from for the electrolysis. However,, I think it comes down to whether it takes more energy to break down water than the power output of the engine.
@@Its_Ed02 Yes, you can split water with only 12 volts, but can it generate enough hydrogen to run a car engine continuously? If so, what size would the electrolysis equipment need to be?
It takes "at least" as much power/energy to separate hydrogen from water (electrolysis) as you get back from "recombining" the hydrogen with oxygen in the combustion chamber (combustion). In the real world (according to the laws of thermodynamics), you will always get less back. What a load of shit.
@@kencentury Check out Stan Meyers' process - he did not use electrolysis. He came up with a way to split water into HH + O that employs high voltage at high frequency, with current (anps) approaching zero. He used water as a dielectric between 2 plates (in close proximity) which act as a capacitor, but charge polarity never reverses (unlike alternating current).
About 14 years ago I did a home built HHO system it worked in a 1996 dodge neon getting 30 mpg up to 48mpg. Down fall was the system had to be kept an eye on like everyday. I would burn up plates or the coating on the plates would get bad to where the currant would not pass through any more. Regardless it worked in conjunction with gas not just the HHO alone.
I see videos like that all the time on RUclips and in the comments section all I find is criticism due to the laws of thermal dynamics. Can you provide any plans or get me into the right directions so I can try it out myself? Most videos are done really badly and hence lack in views so I guess people have no benefit of making them. I have to find out by myself to see what's true.
By the way, I saw a video just recently where a guy (it was on the TNT channel) made a generator instead of stainless steel with graphene plates. He said graphene is not as prone to corrosion and therefore the generator lasts way longer. Also he mixed urea (basically a form of nitrogen vertilizer) into the water as it increases electrolysis. I don't know what to do with all the info yet but it sure sounds promising!
what is the tech break through - most proposed water-fuelled cars rely on some form of electrolysis to separate water into hydrogen and oxygen and then recombine them to release energy; however, because the energy required to separate the elements will always be at least as great as the useful energy released, this cannot be used to produce net energy.
Exactly. Is it so easy to fool people these days? Haven't these guys ever been to school? The only way to make energy from water is to build a bloody dam!
I agree with smferreiro. The article is light on engineering. We all know what water is, where it comes from and that you can store it in plastic containers but where does the considerable amount of electric power come from? There will still need to be some onboard storage of hydrogen as the electrolysis system will not be able to match the rapid changes required by the engine. Will the electrical power be stored or generated? If generated, there will need to be a mechanism for starting the engine. We need much more info about the electrical system.
Look up water to fuel u can build one yourself with hardware store components. And yes it takes more energy to roduce than it will put out the gas produced is highly explosive and must be made in small amounts this is old tech google it
Total, unfiltered bullshit here. The entire video skips the one significant detail that exposes the discussion as being one of perpetual motion: Where does the power for water electrolysis come from? If you're going to tell me that it's generated by the engine, you've just closed the loop in defining a perpetual motion machine. Think about it: you start with water and a bit of battery-provided power to start the electrolysis. In the end, you're supposed to get back water (the product of combusting hydrogen), enough electricity to make more hydrogen - replacing what came off the battery to jump-start the process, torque and heat. You have a zero-sum of water, a zero-sum of electricity, and an excess of heat and work? No. The energy that runs a combustion engine comes from the energy released in joining fuel and oxidizer. If you want to separate the combusted product (water) into fuel and oxidizer, you HAVE TO INVEST AT LEAST THAT MUCH ENERGY TO BREAK THE CHEMICAL BONDS. Whatever information Toyota has put out there, the video maker has misrepresented for the sake of views.
@@Rated_Wzz You really should study up. There's a lot wrong with your assumptions there. You can't run an engine on boiling water unless something is boiling the water. If the engine is expected to boil the water, it has to provide the input and the output energy - which is more energy than it started with. Warm water has no more molecules than cold water. It just has more kinetic energy. I'm pretty sure that every single sentence in your comment has a massive factual/scientific error or bad assumption in it because not a single sentence there has any truth to it.
I agree, you may as well use the mysterious electricity source (required to spit the water) directly to power the car. This idea seems to originate from 'cold fusion' research which was supposed to produce excess heat but was then debunked by most of the the scientific community many years ago.
Needs energy to separate the hydrogen from the water. Energy is also needed to create the distilled water in the first place. It's essentially got an internal combustion engine so it's no more or less reliable that what we have got, but it uses lubricating oil so unless they have eliminated all blow by, the exhaust will contain water tarnished with some oil. It's better, but as you say, no free lunch...
The video is missing the most important part... where is the electricity for the on-the-fly electrolysis coming from? The resulting energy balance is way less efficient than the one of an EV.
@@hitmanx3475 From battery to electric motor to wheels you have 98% efficiency. From battery to electrolysis, to water recombination (H2 engine), to wheels, you have 40% efficiency in the best case. Math does not match the expectations!
I have respect for the Japanese people and Toyota Japan. They are great people to work with and know team work. This idea will run rings around electric vehicles and easy enough to fit into any vehicle or truck.
One of my friends at Penn State had this idea 40 years ago, but never pursued it. Making ammonia based contact explosives and inserting it into key holes in the Dorms Doors was more his style.
This has been done like almost 50 to 60 years ago, and it works. The only problem with this is that the person who learned this the government tried to buy the plans and the man wouldn’t sell it and all of a sudden the man woke up dead!
Most of the information in this video is inaccurate and incorrect. The energy created by dissociation of water into hydrogen and oxygen is done with highly reactive metals that are consumed in the reaction. Water is not a fuel! It's an ash with an extremely low energy content. I don't think the video producer understands what is actually going on or whete the energy to run these engine is coming from. It's coming from the metals...
Lol, you have no idea what your talking about. Stainless steel is used for the conductive material and they don't desolve in the process. A car battery is used in conjunction with a charging alternator to maintain the amperage. I ran a diesel 7 2 liter engine with my home made generator and it's not complicated as you surmise
This will require even more electricity for the electrolysis than an electric motor. And that electricity will come from EV batteries so you still have to charge it. This will most likely use twice as much electricity as electric cars. I call bullshit here. You will again need oil changes and coolant like a gas engine.
Im pretty sure that 48v lithium cell is good enough, with a step up circuit, having enough power to perform electrolysis. They need to publish the numbers though, how much hydrogen per hour produce, and with that amount to how many miles. Ive read before, hydrogen combustion engines can reach up to 48mpg which is crazy efficient. Imagine if the tank able to hold up to 10gallons of hydrogen gas, and 1 tank consumes 25% of battery to produce. But ya, they need provide more numbers for comparisons
It would technically not be far from a conventional engine using the hydrogen as the combustion element but cleaner as there should be no pollutants expelled after ignition. It would still need a battery but once moving alternators would recharge the battery system to cause the atomic separation. I'm sure it works and ppl have been killed over the invention design guess who by ( oil giants) or who brought the patents and shelved them . The only waste is o2 . My concern would be if we all use it would we consume all the water and raise the oxegyn levels in the atmosphere? As that would be bad one we need water all living things do and during dinosaur times the oxegyn was at 35 percent. Scientists say humans can't survive at those levels it's to much . I think we're in the 20 ish percent margins currently . Nothing to drink and higher air not good .
Yup. If you find the Toyota block diagram, you'll see it runs on a huge battery stack. The electrolysis process might be efficient, but it'll never be 100%. The hydrogen combustion engine is certainly way less efficient than modern electric motors, probably 15-25%, same as today's ICE engines that have a century of development behind them. The engine will be heavier than a motor, you'll need to add a transmission, you'll need a water tank and the H2 tank. More complex, heavier, less efficient... wow, I want one of these! It'll be interesting, if Toyota really takes this anywhere, to read an engineering analysis of the real thing.
@@dmfencingbuildingservices2870 When the car cracks the H2O, it's releasing one oxygen atom for every two hydrogen atoms it puts in the tank. When it burns that hydrogen, it's pulling one oxygen atom from the air (or, hey, why not just keep the oxygen you made?), and releasing water vapor.. or cycling that back to the water tank.
It doesnt have you ever seen the Flintstones, start running in there, the faster you run the warmer you get, according to Greata, it all melted already and you should take a bikini, but she is dillusionnal, just a bit...
For anyone wondering. This is FAKE and it doesn't exist. You can't run on water as a fuel source for the same reason you can't make a fire with ash. Water is combusted (or what scientists call, oxydized) hydrogen. Just like ash is oxydized wood and CO2 is oxydized carbon (i.e. petrol and diesel). It's not that you can't turn water into hydrogen, you definitely can, just like you can take CO2 out of the air and make carbon that you can burn again. The problem is that, in a perfect world, it costs as much energy to turn it into its "fuel" form as what the fuel will provide when combusted. However, we don't live in a perfect world so you'll consistently lose a little bit of energy. Notice how they never mention where the electricity for the electrolysis comes from. It's the same story with all those perpetual energy devices, they always hide the energy source. Source: I'm an electrical engineer
@@waltersobchak300 you don't seem to understand how chemical reactions work. It's not that we haven't thought of a neat trick of how to make it happen. It's that it's literally proven for why it's not possible.
@@waltersobchak300 hydrogen and water are two different things. Hydrogen is flammable -- water is not. When something is flammable, like oil, propane, gasoline / petrol / diesel or hydrogen, it will give you energy to power car. You can turn water into hydrogen, yes, but it requires more energy than what you'd get by burning it or using a hydrogen fuel cell. It would be like dropping a ball from a certain height then expecting it to bounce back higher than the position you dropped it from.
I am an electrical engineer as well and I challenge you to PROVE your allegation. BTW Tesla is making the same claim about development of the water engine.
Well, pure water freezes quickly in sub-zero (f) temps. So, you will also need to keep the water warm at all times, like when you're not driving in the winter. The bottom line is far more energy going into the system than you can get out of this system to make it work. Pure pipe dream.
So where is the energy coming from to separate the Hydrogen from the oxygen. From the same batteries you have in a electric car? You can't ever create energy out on nothing
You can split water into hydrogen and oxygen. It takes an amount of energy. When you use that stored energy you will get a proportion of that energy back. You will always have to invest a bit more energy than you will ever get back.
That idea has been around for 65 yrs or more. A bloke in NZ had a Fiat Bambina running on the same idea, breaking water into Hydrogen & Oxygen by electrolysis and burning the Hydrogen for fuel, that was back in the 1960s.
@@neildewitt2869 It can't be patented... it's a perpetual motion machine. Not what Toyota's actually talking about, but anything that claims the water is the fuel. Though I'm wondering if this is, in fact, a complete hoax and I just found a slightly better version of it. And after reviewing this more, and in other information on the internet, I'm convinced this is a pure hoax and not something Toyota is working on.
Water, "its basic elements LIKE [not "of"] Hydrogen & Oxygen"? "Diluted Water"? High voltage electrolysis but no battery. Why does that ring an alarm bell?
How many different "Toyota's New Engine will destroy EV's!" videos have I seen? I can imagine a scenario where a limited distance engine, like a forklift might possibly get enough power from this electrolysis process. He also didn't seem to mention what the electrical power source for the electrolysis was.
A Welsh engineer made a working model of one of these it was a three cylinder engine in the 60s and BP bought the patent and licence and it was never seen again 😳
I have always said that this would be the future...and this is by no means a new concept...but those that have tried to advance it from their home garages, have met with untimely deaths...hopefully Toyota will be able to bring this out of the shadows and make it reality.....It's also too bad Detroit has sat on their hands with this......
More conspiracy theory nonsense. It seems that you would rather cling to conspiracy theory rather than educate yourself about energy conservation and the laws of thermodynamics.
You can't be serious and think that what you said is true. No one has ever made an internal combustion engine that runs off of water. No one. Hydrogen, yes, but the process of converting water into hydrogen is expensive and uses more energy than it produces. It would be like you cutting down a huge tree only to whittle it down and throw away all of the shavings, just to make one toothpick.
The only assumption I am working on is that the laws of thermodynamics are incontrovertible. I am also sure that the engineers at Toyota also know that which leads me two possible conclusions. The video is a misrepresentation of what they are actually doing or it is a complete spoof.
@@andrewpelowski It cannot work at any temperature. The video is a spoof/joke or scam, can't be sure which but for sure you cannot get power from water.
You almost have it...but you must add an atmospheric water generator that captures water, co2 and toxins from the atmosphere. Who will be the first car maker that saved the world? will it be Honda or Toyota? Or perhaps another auto maker. You might want to add a solar panel roof and hefty battery to assist in running the water (Fuel) capture device. I believe it can be accomplished if there are still good and honorable people left in the world...🙏
@@cruiserland3309 Unfortunately there is no process that can split water into hydrogen and oxygen without using more energy than is contained within the hydrogen produced. This is not because we just need to find a new process ... it's because of the known laws of physics I'm afraid.
The BIG if here, is doing electrolysis on board. If that can reliably done, then this maybe the game changer that humans have long sought. Water is a lot more plentiful, than even petrol. Also a lot less likely to ignite too.
The other "Big If" is the oil industry. This would devastate a large part of it's business. I think I read that about 30% of oil is used for fuel. That's many billions of dollars they won't give up easily.
@@1967davethewave It's not their call, and they're not more powerful than Big Automotive. If they had the ability to block non-petroleum cars, they'd have stopped electrical and ethanol powered vehicles long ago.
@@DaveHaynie That could be true but the question I have for you is are you the reason I was almost extradited to some podunk town I've never heard of in Missouri in 1995 for a warrant?
A battery, but closer to a normal car battery rather than an EV or even a hybrid battery. It would have an alternator to charge the battery. Eventually would need a new battery as do gasoline combustion engines.
@@EatMyShorts75 No... where do you people get these ideas. Toyota has block diagrams of this. They're using a big EV battery. It's going to take a larger battery stack to power this than a conventional EV, because it's less efficient. I do hope they either abandon it or publish some actual papers on the technology. It seems to be pointless.
Stanley Mayer created hydrogen on demand which used electrolysis at the point of injection in the 70s & then he mysteriously died… I’m just glad a motor manufacturer like Toyota & JCB is bringing this to reality👏👏👏
Have you read up on the Meyer court case? The car was fake, it ran from batteries and barely went for a few miles, no amount of adding more water would extend the range. He was ordered to repay the investors.
This was available 20 years ago in Switzerland but the designer was blocked by the motor industries . I went to the presentation of a water powered car in Geneva over 20 years ago
Or it simply didn't work. You might have noticed that petrol alternatives that actually do work are somehow mysteriously never blocked by the petrol industry. The "motor" industry? This is actually coming from one of the main players in the "automotive" industry. They want you buy cars. They don't much care what fuels you use as long as they can sell one using that fuel.
This video forgot to mention that theses are electric cars with extra steps, you need a battery to separate the H2, so you still need rare earth metals and still need to charge it. 16 years ago I built a HHO/gas hybrid that because of the higher temps, pressure, and oxygen the gas burned more completely and cleanly. Gaining me 10 more miles to the gallon. Fun fact only 30% of the energy in gas is used the rest is lost to heat and out the tail pipe.
Utter fantasy. First of all distilled water would require huge amounts of electricity to make it, which comes from where? Burning fossil fuel, so back to square one. Secondly, and worst of all, this video seems to have conveniently forgotten that water freezes, so a cold winter and your car is well and truly stuffed.
Wow that's not just sustainable, it's the perpetual motion motor dream. Do they use some of the engine's power to produce the electricity that's needed to make the hydrogen from the water or is there another magic generator that does that? If so what does it use for fuel?
* Bi-polar auto electrolytic hydrogen generator, patent 1992 US5089107A An autoelectrolytic hydrogen generator system constituted by one or a plurality of similar cells wherein a galvanic arrangement of magnesium and aluminum plates of sacrificial elements as anode; stainless steel as cathode and sea water as electrolyte, by its very nature is made to develop a voltage when connected in short circuit causing a current to flow within the system and hydrogen production of hydrogen in situ and on demand by the electrolytic action at one pole, the cathode, and additional hydrogen by the electrochemical reaction at the other pole, the anode. Surplus electric energy of the system applied to a optional electrolyzer will also be made to produce additional hydrogen at its two sacrificial aluminum electrodes.
@@reverendgoodthrustesq.6875 That sounds like fun but it isn’t the engine that this vague video is hinting at. The engine you mention would probably work somewhat but it doesn’t sound suitable for a car to me, I doubt that it would produce enough power. Real seawater is full of all kinds of stuff which would clog the thing up and those sacrificial plates are going to need replacing regularly. I expect such problems are the reason why you can’t buy one.
@@majordendrocopos * In 1942, U.S. Vice President, Henry Wallace, while on a Good Will Tour of South America, saw the Pacheco generator run an automobile engine and shortly thereafter, the president of Bolivia, General Enrique Penaranda, observed the same phenomena. Both men encouraged Francisco to bring his invention to the United States. In 1943, Francisco arrived in the U.S. with a letter addressed to the Chief Military Intelligence Service of the United States War Department from Colonel Clarence Barnett, the military attache to the American Embassy, introducing Francisco and requesting an audience to see his invention. At that time, it was believed that the hydrogen generator might be helpful to the U.S. war efforts. In April of that year, Mr. Pacheco successfully demonstrated his generator to the Bureau of Standards in Washington DC and applied for a U.S. patent Bi-polar auto electrolytic hydrogen generator US5089107A.
@@majordendrocopos > In 1942, U.S. Vice President, Henry Wallace, while on a Good Will Tour of South America, saw *the Pacheco generator run an automobile engine* and shortly thereafter, the president of Bolivia, General Enrique Penaranda, observed the same phenomena. Both men encouraged Francisco to bring his invention to the United States. In 1943, Francisco arrived in the U.S. with a letter addressed to the Chief Military Intelligence Service of the United States War Department from Colonel Clarence Barnett, the military attache to the American Embassy, introducing Francisco and requesting an audience to see his invention. At that time, it was believed that the hydrogen generator might be helpful to the U.S. war efforts. In April of that year, Mr. Pacheco successfully demonstrated his generator to the Bureau of Standards in Washington DC and applied for a U.S. patent Bi-polar auto electrolytic hydrogen generator US5089107A.
You could use a battery to run an electric motor, connect the motor to a generator which is used to charge the battery and the extra power could drive the vehicle. Same principle as using electricity to extract hydrogen from water, re-unite the hydrogen with water producing energy to keep the processw going and produce extra power. Not possible!
The information that I've heard about Stanley Meyers is that on the day of his death he was at a restaurant with Belgian businessmen who expressed interest in investing in a factory to produce his technology. One of them was a member of NATO. Since the entire global economy is based on the petrodollar, this technology, if valid, could destabilize the worlds economy. It would also allow armies to power their tanks with water, ridding themselves of a major supply chain problem. I saw a video of Stanley's niece who corroborated what we've been told of his death. I think that all this makes it likely that he had actually achieved a breakthrough in the process of cracking hydrogen and oxygen from water. It is well known that electrolysis is a very inefficient way to separate water from hydrogen. Meyers never revealed his proprietary processes, but hinted that they have to do with the resonant frequency of water. I imagine that you could approach this using electric pulses, radio waves, laser, and maybe some other methods. There was a time when the "experts" said that heavier than air flight was impossible, until the Wright brothers demonstrated what the law of lift could do.
"...you could approach this using electric pulses, radio waves, laser...". All of which are generated using energy, and contain energy. So instead of electroloysis you use something else to split the water - but the overall energy requirement to do so is ultimately the same.
I've researched Meyers patents and they are utter rubbish. None of his patents actually detail any real processes, they are vague and technically childish - basically nothing worth patenting. Meyer disciples will say he did this so that his patents could not be copied, but the whole idea of patents is that no one can copy your design. But his patents are so basic that no one would need to copy any of his patents as there is nothing of any value in them. Personally I think he was trying to patent his ideas, and very broadly, hoping that he could get investors to buy into something he would 'hopefully' eventually achieve. I don't think he ever had a working 'water car' as we think of it. I've also seen some of his short lectures. He has no understanding of science, no answers to any legitimate questions, and gave me the impression that he did not actually have a clue what he was talking about - he was just blagging it. His motto was KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid), which I think suited him to a tee. From everything I've researched on Meyer I believe he, along with his water car, was a fraud.
That's just a silly conspiracy theory. Meyer was at dinner with his brother, and he died of a brain aneurism. The perpetual motion machine he tried to sell had investors going for two years. It never worked, and they sued him -- and won. He was a scam artist, not an inventor.
The presentation of the idea is COMPLETELY wrong. Whoever has written the script, is not really Science literate. (I wonder how deep was the involvement of chatGPT). The system is not "Fueled" with water. It is fueled with electricity that is used to electrolyze water. ( @1:31 ) Water is just the working fluid. It gets broken down into Hydrogen & Oxygen. The Hydrogen should get separated from Oxygen & stored into a tank for being oxidized back to water in the IC engine. The whole thing still runs on electricity. It is just changing the battery from Lithium ions based system to Hydrogen based one. It is a lot of jumping around in terms of thermodynamics & too complex. For the foreseeable future, I will not be moving my investment from Tesla to Toyota shares.
This video is talking about a perpetual motion engine. It DOES NOT WORK. Takes MORE energy to generate enough electricity to sustain electrolysis than you can get out of the resultant hydrogen gas.
A nice sales voice and soft talk - a bit like someone reading to their children at bed time. I have worked on hydrogen from water without storage and if the bushfires hadn't burned me down in 2020 it might be working by now - solar panel powering hydrogen bubbler via small battery on demand - for cooking, heating and hot water. Not very complex technology at all - but at 75 y.o.now I may never finish the project - I am still re-establishing my rural off-grid setting. And the quantity required for an internal combustion engine is another level altogether ....
Pure nonsense. Where the “high power energy” for the electrolysis comes from🤔 Then the distilled water… it’s an insulator. You have to put some electrolytes in it, else no electrolysis. And electrolysis is a very high energetic and costly reaction. Nicely made though. Looks professional. Some people may even believe it😅
@user-ky7iz6up1v You still have the issue of the initial energy for the electrolysing process. And as far as I remember he mentioned that you "only have to put in distilled water". Just want to show that this story is nonsense. And from more sides.
Aaron Salter Jr. was a retired Buffalo police officer who worked as a security guard at Tops Friendly Markets, and in his spare time, he worked on an invention to fuel cars with water electrolysis, which breaks water down into hydrogen and oxygen to use the hydrogen as fuel. In 2022, Salter was killed in the Buffalo mass shooting at the grocery store where he worked.
There is a far simpler engine type using water under pressure, no charging, no top up, and unlimited distance, all based on a WW" tanker drive, outdates all other drive types, no combustion problems power from Archimedes Power drives- Toyota you are years behind.
In winter time, the water storage tank must include a combustible ANTI-FREEZE solution. Otherwise, the water storage tank would turn into a BLOCK OF ICE.
no details were given on how they converted water to hydrogen other than it uses high voltage I want to know how they do that part. how much voltage is needed to support highway speeds.
What powers the electrolysis process? Wouldn't it be far more efficient and less complicated to use the electricity to turn the wheels rather than electrolyse water to produce hydrogen to fuel a combustion engine to spin the wheels?
There was a man back in the mid 60’s that developed one but mysteriously disappeared when he filed for patent. It showed 35 miles per gallon. Had an uncle that bought a used Oldsmobile with 350 four barrel he was tickled to death with the car it ran great got 35 mpg one day feds showed up to his house pulled his carburetor put a new one on he sold the car two weeks later because only got 7 mpg
Question??? This seems good and it will be in the warmer climates, and for that alone is worth it, but what about those of us in places like Canada, Russia, Sweden etc. Water freezes in these countries during the winter months. Does this relegate these units to summer drivinig only or is there a solution to this problem?
This tech has been around for many decades. I know a few who have built this type of system, one being my brother and have heard of many more. The main problem with these relatively simple conversions for the market has always been opposition from big business and government with some even having their lives threatened.
I will use SARCASM for this one. Please take what I am about to say with a grain of salt.
I will start by saying , that this is nothing new. SO !!!!!! In 1978 Stanley Allen Meyer from Ohio invented the first water engine and it took the world by storm and caused hundreds of investors to want to be part of this revolutionary technology. Stanley pattented this technology. Needless to say it caused Stanley a lot of legal battles and issues , can you guess what kinds of issues????
Stanley was 57 when he was POISONED in 1998 and I guess the world’s biggest OiL Producers saw this as a threat.
Now , toyota invented this new technology???? This is a bunch of Bull Crap. Well guess what? The Amazon river is Bone Dry now and water is becoming a lot more scarce. The same thing happened to Nicholas Tesla and it didn’t work out too well for him either. The World could have been a Utopia for Mankind but Billionare’s want to make millions and the world can go to Hell in a hand basket.
Personally I hope it solves our pollution problems and we can save our planet.
What upsets me it’s that this could have been done a long time ago.
PEACE
Stan Meyer was only able to attract a small handful of investors. After he produced nothing -- not even a real working demo -- for two years, they sued him. He was judged a fraud in court. He filed useless patents... he couldn't have patented the basic idea he was selling, because you can't patent a perpetual motion machine. They're impossible.
I have said for decades that anyone that can solve the problem of turning water into Hydrogen in the car safely will become the first trillionaire.
💯👍🏻🫡
The same goes for anyone who can overturn the basic laws of physics.
Or will be assassinated 😂😂😂
this is so stupid😂 it’s already solved. it’s called electrolysis, and it takes more energy to do it than you can get back from the hydrogen.
@@cameroncooper4175 exactly, that's why it's clear a fake story.
I may be dumb about this, but wouldn't this be like a perpetual motion machine? It takes as much energy to split water into hydrogen and oxygen as you get back by burning the hydrogen.
Stanley Meyer proved that Maxwellian "LAW" to be a lie but that's not why they killed him per-se.
His under 5 amp 110 volt system was patented in many countries when murdered.
The climate lie would have bit the dust had his system gone into mass production, thus the tax on "carbon" would not be justifiable.
T H A T S W H Y T H E Y K I L L E D H I M.
Not at all. When you charge a car battery for instance, hydrogen gas is produced, because of the current running through the distilled water in the battery 🔋...😉
In a closed ecosystem no water will ever disappear, looks like you have fallen for the propaganda
Look back at Stan Meyers and his water fuel cell, car and death.
@@Sport--willowExactly!!!😮
I heard that story in the Philippines in the late 80's. The man who claimed to discover the plain water as fuel to the car mysteriously disappeared and never to be found.
It would be great if it also can use sea water as we have alot of it and also ships could have this engine and sail for ever lol...
Yes, people in white coats took him away in a van ...
@@stevepayne778maybe the idea has been stolen.
Yes,it was 1985 in Philippine Man invented the car instead of using Gas worked with water.
@@stevepayne778😂
Was this posted on April 1st?
It seems like it! At 3:25 they refer to "diluted water", W(ever)TF that is! They might be having a laugh, or they might mean 'distilled water', but either way, if you're trying to build credibility it's not a good look!
Good point - I suspect you're right. It's a silly posting. Just surprised how many people it has sucked in ....
I would have tried to build one, but I figured the oil companies would off me.
Been done....'Smokey', out of Florida, late seventies. Probably sold any patents he had, or was killed. Been at least one person BUILDING; since.
@@donbradyjr.5624 Correct...As I remember.....one of the street rod magazines, at that time, actually tested the Smoky's engine mod on a Pontiac Fiero. Worked like a charm....better mileage, plus more horsepower. The patient was sold to one of the popular camshaft manufacturers.....they then sold to another company.....who buried the tech. It preheated gasoline to vapor point....fed to a turbine - like, high speed mixer....then fed to intake ports. Required camshaft swap...and downsizing radiator as engine also ran much cooler. Smokey Yunick, was a brillant engine designer!
you could ask Stanley Myers but he is dead because of hydrogen powered vehicle
those early test were done with leaded gas , gas now has additives so it can't be vaporized to that extent@@hokep61
He was the inventor of this exact technology before they killed him. He was poisoned. @@daveestes-z4q
Doesn’t this violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics that means you would have to put more energy into splitting water 💦 before burning 🔥 and combining it back into water 💦 again?
Sssh! Don't expose the snake oil bullsh it!
Obviously but who cares if you are trying to con people. As they say, a fool and his money are easily seperated.
The presentation of the idea is COMPLETELY wrong. Whoever has written the script, is not really Science literate. (I wonder how deep was the involvement of chatGPT).
The system is not "Fueled" with water. It is fueled with electricity that is used to electrolyze water. ( @1:31 )
Water is just the working fluid. It gets broken down into Hydrogen & Oxygen. The Hydrogen should get separated from Oxygen & stored into a tank for being oxidized back to water in the IC engine.
The whole thing still runs on electricity. It is just changing the battery from Lithium ions based system to Hydrogen based one.
It is a lot of jumping around in terms of thermodynamics & too complex. For the foreseeable future, I will not be moving my investment from Tesla to Toyota shares.
It probably won't actually combine it back into water otherwise there'd be no energy for the car to use. Even the "actual water engines" people have made for their own cars in videos imply they still have to refill the tank with water but equally as gas vehicles
@@mastupilo9653 I have no idea how these are supposed to work. If you use energy (in any form) to break down water into hydrogen and oxygen you will ALWAYS get less energy back when you burn the hydrogen.
If you don't burn the hydrogen, as you suggest, then no energy will be released.
Hate to tell you but a guy made one in the 30s for a contest I think chevy held ,surprisingly the motor,the blueprints, and the guy all disappeared never to be seen again. Incase anyone was wondering how I know this, I tried to do a book report on the carburetor back in the 80s
in new zealand a guy was running a toyota car on water in the 70s his name was archie blue and he was an electrician he was doing what toyota is doing now the theory was he had capacitors to each spark plug and they broke the water down into its separate components so i believe the theory does work anyway he died and his car disappeared so its makes you wonder what happened to him.Appartently he ran his car for years without any issues .
Yep big brother is watching you that's what my folks told me 😮
When JP Morgan figured out Tesla wanted to share his free energy discovery with the world for free Morgan cut off his funding. "As long as we have to pay for the necessities to live they will control us all"
Everyone dies... I've had lots of cars disappear too.@@brenttamatea7578
Conspiracies, the 30's, the 40's, my retired next door neighbour ( electrical eng. ) buy outs, dissapearances .......now Toyota. Such a beautiful Alice in Wonderland we live in. Bless ur 24 with more dreams.
This reminds me of Filipino Daniel Dingel's invention of a water powered engine for his car, with the same idea of splitting hydrogen and oxygen using electricity from a small battery
Yes, he seems to have died too
In November 2000, John Ding Young of Formosa Plastics Group (FPG) sought Dingel out and, convinced that the invention was genuine, signed a "preliminary understanding" with him for several projects.[3] He aimed to have business partners, get an international patent, and commercialize his technology.[4]
In December 2008, Dingel became even more controversial when he was found guilty and sentenced to a maximum of 20 years imprisonment in an estafa (swindling) case filed against him by Young and FPG. In a decision dated December 9, 2008, Judge Rolando How of the Parañaque Regional Trial Court's Branch 257 found him guilty of taking $410,000 from FPG, saying that Dingel "defrauded Young when the inventor failed to fulfill his obligation of developing his 'hydrogen reactor' and creating experimental cars in 2000
Dingel died on October 18, 2010, in Las Pinas City, Metro Manila in the Philippines
Not in a car, a truck, or a locomotive.
QLD Premier Bjelke-Petersen announced a vehicle which would run on Water during 1980’s. However he understood Corruption (and that US-UK Govts support Nazi regimes).
You are right to raise this question. The video does not explain where the electricity comes from for the electrolysis. However,, I think it comes down to whether it takes more energy to break down water than the power output of the engine.
Hoorayyy!! Yes, exactly ....
12v Battery, the same thing your starter uses to start your car when its not running
@@Its_Ed02 Yes, you can split water with only 12 volts, but can it generate enough hydrogen to run a car engine continuously? If so, what size would the electrolysis equipment need to be?
It takes "at least" as much power/energy to separate hydrogen from water (electrolysis) as you get back from "recombining" the hydrogen with oxygen in the combustion chamber (combustion). In the real world (according to the laws of thermodynamics), you will always get less back. What a load of shit.
@@kencentury Check out Stan Meyers' process - he did not use electrolysis. He came up with a way to split water into HH + O that employs high voltage at high frequency, with current (anps) approaching zero.
He used water as a dielectric between 2 plates (in close proximity) which act as a capacitor, but charge polarity never reverses (unlike alternating current).
So does it freeze in cold weather?
No because it would be basically a form of salt water, you would need it to make water into hydrogen using electrolysis
@reefedvessels or is it? Traditional electrolysis as we know it may not be needed..as the "zero frequency " has been discovered
About 14 years ago I did a home built HHO system it worked in a 1996 dodge neon getting 30 mpg up to 48mpg. Down fall was the system had to be kept an eye on like everyday. I would burn up plates or the coating on the plates would get bad to where the currant would not pass through any more. Regardless it worked in conjunction with gas not just the HHO alone.
I see videos like that all the time on RUclips and in the comments section all I find is criticism due to the laws of thermal dynamics. Can you provide any plans or get me into the right directions so I can try it out myself? Most videos are done really badly and hence lack in views so I guess people have no benefit of making them. I have to find out by myself to see what's true.
Please share your direct email address
Well done anyway and keep at it. 👍
did similar. made browns gas outta water and mixed it with regular gas. works well. gotta keep an eye on it that is true.
By the way, I saw a video just recently where a guy (it was on the TNT channel) made a generator instead of stainless steel with graphene plates. He said graphene is not as prone to corrosion and therefore the generator lasts way longer. Also he mixed urea (basically a form of nitrogen vertilizer) into the water as it increases electrolysis. I don't know what to do with all the info yet but it sure sounds promising!
what is the tech break through - most proposed water-fuelled cars rely on some form of electrolysis to separate water into hydrogen and oxygen and then recombine them to release energy; however, because the energy required to separate the elements will always be at least as great as the useful energy released, this cannot be used to produce net energy.
Maybe if EVs used water filled lead batteries instead we could scavenge the hydrogen from the EV's to power the hydrogen/water cars.
@@gurubuzzzz Anybody ever tell you that you're a genius?
Didn't think so.
Please don't introduce any actual science or facts into this delusional video. It spoils the whole point.! 😅😅😅😅😅😅
Exactly. Is it so easy to fool people these days? Haven't these guys ever been to school? The only way to make energy from water is to build a bloody dam!
that is right
I agree with smferreiro. The article is light on engineering. We all know what water is, where it comes from and that you can store it in plastic containers but where does the considerable amount of electric power come from? There will still need to be some onboard storage of hydrogen as the electrolysis system will not be able to match the rapid changes required by the engine. Will the electrical power be stored or generated? If generated, there will need to be a mechanism for starting the engine. We need much more info about the electrical system.
Look up water to fuel u can build one yourself with hardware store components. And yes it takes more energy to roduce than it will put out the gas produced is highly explosive and must be made in small amounts this is old tech google it
Imagine if everyone had a water engine generator powering their home.
You can literally buy one
@@PVC4108link?
@@ryang7684 Electrolysis of Water Generator - Oxy Hydrogen Flame Generator Home Science Kit - Engineidy just look this up
@@ryang7684 not trying to get killed but basically use this to build a full power generator
think the same but for sure you cant buy. Need make some research and make DIY...
Where does the energy for the electrolysis come from
Total, unfiltered bullshit here. The entire video skips the one significant detail that exposes the discussion as being one of perpetual motion: Where does the power for water electrolysis come from? If you're going to tell me that it's generated by the engine, you've just closed the loop in defining a perpetual motion machine. Think about it: you start with water and a bit of battery-provided power to start the electrolysis. In the end, you're supposed to get back water (the product of combusting hydrogen), enough electricity to make more hydrogen - replacing what came off the battery to jump-start the process, torque and heat. You have a zero-sum of water, a zero-sum of electricity, and an excess of heat and work? No. The energy that runs a combustion engine comes from the energy released in joining fuel and oxidizer. If you want to separate the combusted product (water) into fuel and oxidizer, you HAVE TO INVEST AT LEAST THAT MUCH ENERGY TO BREAK THE CHEMICAL BONDS. Whatever information Toyota has put out there, the video maker has misrepresented for the sake of views.
Solar or nuclear or gym goers could turn wheel like Conan and huge ass
That’s Toyota crap doing rounds in social media….a weak response to Elon Musk who injured them deeply😂😂😅
It would have to be a big battery, larger than an EV battery for the same range, due to the inefficiencies.
@@Rated_Wzz You really should study up. There's a lot wrong with your assumptions there. You can't run an engine on boiling water unless something is boiling the water. If the engine is expected to boil the water, it has to provide the input and the output energy - which is more energy than it started with. Warm water has no more molecules than cold water. It just has more kinetic energy. I'm pretty sure that every single sentence in your comment has a massive factual/scientific error or bad assumption in it because not a single sentence there has any truth to it.
I agree, you may as well use the mysterious electricity source (required to spit the water) directly to power the car. This idea seems to originate from 'cold fusion' research which was supposed to produce excess heat but was then debunked by most of the the scientific community many years ago.
Pure click bait. And where does the electricity come from? Hummm kind of side step that. Sorry, there is no free lunch
Needs energy to separate the hydrogen from the water. Energy is also needed to create the distilled water in the first place. It's essentially got an internal combustion engine so it's no more or less reliable that what we have got, but it uses lubricating oil so unless they have eliminated all blow by, the exhaust will contain water tarnished with some oil. It's better, but as you say, no free lunch...
Toyota chairman should sue this storyteller😅😂
Battery maintained by an alternator.
@@100Chickysolar power could be used for the distillation process
At 3:26 the voice over says “with easy refueling from any source of diluted water”,,,. What I would like to know is what is the water diluted with¿?
Distilled water
Tears from the crying engineers that can't figure out how to break the laws of thermodynamics.
The author will receive the Chinese intelligence award of the year😅
I had the same question.
The video is missing the most important part... where is the electricity for the on-the-fly electrolysis coming from?
The resulting energy balance is way less efficient than the one of an EV.
Maybe putting a catalyst inside the water to speed up the reaction for separating hydrogen and oxygen could do the job. Like Nickel-based hydroxide.
@@hitmanx3475 You still need energy (electricity) to split the molecule. Water can be split with electrcity (electrolysis) or heat (pyrolysis)
@@smferreiro2610 Hm so in comparison will Evs take more power from batteries or water engines?
@@hitmanx3475 From battery to electric motor to wheels you have 98% efficiency. From battery to electrolysis, to water recombination (H2 engine), to wheels, you have 40% efficiency in the best case.
Math does not match the expectations!
@@smferreiro2610 did the clicbait meet your expectations?
I have respect for the Japanese people and Toyota Japan. They are great people to work with and know team work. This idea will run rings around electric vehicles and easy enough to fit into any vehicle or truck.
One of my friends at Penn State had this idea 40 years ago, but never pursued it. Making ammonia based contact explosives and inserting it into key holes in the Dorms Doors was more his style.
This has been done like almost 50 to 60 years ago, and it works. The only problem with this is that the person who learned this the government tried to buy the plans and the man wouldn’t sell it and all of a sudden the man woke up dead!
For the glory of old State!
Most of the information in this video is inaccurate and incorrect.
The energy created by dissociation of water into hydrogen and oxygen is done with highly reactive metals that are consumed in the reaction.
Water is not a fuel! It's an ash with an extremely low energy content.
I don't think the video producer understands what is actually going on or whete the energy to run these engine is coming from.
It's coming from the metals...
Lol, you have no idea what your talking about. Stainless steel is used for the conductive material and they don't desolve in the process. A car battery is used in conjunction with a charging alternator to maintain the amperage. I ran a diesel 7
2 liter engine with my home made generator and it's not complicated as you surmise
Yes yes, that is the way to go.👍
This will require even more electricity for the electrolysis than an electric motor. And that electricity will come from EV batteries so you still have to charge it. This will most likely use twice as much electricity as electric cars. I call bullshit here. You will again need oil changes and coolant like a gas engine.
Im pretty sure that 48v lithium cell is good enough, with a step up circuit, having enough power to perform electrolysis.
They need to publish the numbers though, how much hydrogen per hour produce, and with that amount to how many miles.
Ive read before, hydrogen combustion engines can reach up to 48mpg which is crazy efficient.
Imagine if the tank able to hold up to 10gallons of hydrogen gas, and 1 tank consumes 25% of battery to produce. But ya, they need provide more numbers for comparisons
Combustion engine efficiency of any type is highly inefficient at 20-40% (hydrogen being about 40%. EVs are about 80-90% efficient.
It would technically not be far from a conventional engine using the hydrogen as the combustion element but cleaner as there should be no pollutants expelled after ignition. It would still need a battery but once moving alternators would recharge the battery system to cause the atomic separation. I'm sure it works and ppl have been killed over the invention design guess who by ( oil giants) or who brought the patents and shelved them . The only waste is o2 . My concern would be if we all use it would we consume all the water and raise the oxegyn levels in the atmosphere? As that would be bad one we need water all living things do and during dinosaur times the oxegyn was at 35 percent. Scientists say humans can't survive at those levels it's to much . I think we're in the 20 ish percent margins currently . Nothing to drink and higher air not good .
Yup. If you find the Toyota block diagram, you'll see it runs on a huge battery stack. The electrolysis process might be efficient, but it'll never be 100%. The hydrogen combustion engine is certainly way less efficient than modern electric motors, probably 15-25%, same as today's ICE engines that have a century of development behind them. The engine will be heavier than a motor, you'll need to add a transmission, you'll need a water tank and the H2 tank. More complex, heavier, less efficient... wow, I want one of these! It'll be interesting, if Toyota really takes this anywhere, to read an engineering analysis of the real thing.
@@dmfencingbuildingservices2870 When the car cracks the H2O, it's releasing one oxygen atom for every two hydrogen atoms it puts in the tank. When it burns that hydrogen, it's pulling one oxygen atom from the air (or, hey, why not just keep the oxygen you made?), and releasing water vapor.. or cycling that back to the water tank.
One question - how will this engine work in temperatures below 0° Celsius?
Engine heater
The only way this could work is if a catalyst split the water using much less energy than you get back by burning the hydrogen.
And we don't have that tech yet. This is BS.
Or if you had a bullcrap fermentator on board to provide energy
It doesn't work like that. Learn some thermodynamics.
catalyst does not reduce the energy required or release from reactions
@@stevenschulte1475k
Epic work Toyota and the people that work there are absolutely amazing
Forefront in automotive innovation & technology 😮🙏.
This may be a dumb question but where I live, every winter is below zero. What's it going to be like starting that water engine in the morning?
It might be frozen you aren’t going to work 😂.
Alaska need to test these. Fairbanks get -50 often. Good test city!
How do you make your coffee in the morning? any more silly questions?
@@yveslaflute9228I think it’s an excellent question!
Most arent poor like u or dump they live warm
That's pretty awesome. One question: If I live in Norway where 50% of the year is in sub-zero temperatures, how does water works?
You have to pedal the car until it warms up and melts the water.
You would have a battery operated water heater on board!
@@phil2443 How about a tiny oil powered lamp that heats the water. You flick a flint switch to ignite it.
It doesnt have you ever seen the Flintstones, start running in there, the faster you run the warmer you get, according to Greata, it all melted already and you should take a bikini, but she is dillusionnal, just a bit...
@@rayharvey1330 you are onto something!
For anyone wondering. This is FAKE and it doesn't exist. You can't run on water as a fuel source for the same reason you can't make a fire with ash. Water is combusted (or what scientists call, oxydized) hydrogen. Just like ash is oxydized wood and CO2 is oxydized carbon (i.e. petrol and diesel).
It's not that you can't turn water into hydrogen, you definitely can, just like you can take CO2 out of the air and make carbon that you can burn again.
The problem is that, in a perfect world, it costs as much energy to turn it into its "fuel" form as what the fuel will provide when combusted. However, we don't live in a perfect world so you'll consistently lose a little bit of energy.
Notice how they never mention where the electricity for the electrolysis comes from. It's the same story with all those perpetual energy devices, they always hide the energy source.
Source: I'm an electrical engineer
Stanley Meyer did it, and they killed him for it
@@waltersobchak300 you don't seem to understand how chemical reactions work. It's not that we haven't thought of a neat trick of how to make it happen. It's that it's literally proven for why it's not possible.
@@bennievaneeden2720 hydrogen fuel cells are basically the same. not only is it possible, it's the way of the future
@@waltersobchak300 hydrogen and water are two different things. Hydrogen is flammable -- water is not. When something is flammable, like oil, propane, gasoline / petrol / diesel or hydrogen, it will give you energy to power car. You can turn water into hydrogen, yes, but it requires more energy than what you'd get by burning it or using a hydrogen fuel cell. It would be like dropping a ball from a certain height then expecting it to bounce back higher than the position you dropped it from.
I am an electrical engineer as well and I challenge you to PROVE your allegation. BTW Tesla is making the same claim about development of the water engine.
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If someone thinks wisely. The solution is very simple. Just think in other way rather than complicated one.
How are they in minus temperatures?
Well, pure water freezes quickly in sub-zero (f) temps. So, you will also need to keep the water warm at all times, like when you're not driving in the winter. The bottom line is far more energy going into the system than you can get out of this system to make it work. Pure pipe dream.
The same way they are in any other temp,... nonexistent and pure fantasy.
03:20 'diluted' water ? Wow amazing stuff 🤔 (distilled perhaps)
More importantly, .. where is energy for electrolysis in first place? Wtaf
No no no! it is VERY crucial to dilute the water with WATER of course! otherwise this would be clicbait
Solar is free and nuclear cheap, where oil pumps get their electricity
So where is the energy coming from to separate the Hydrogen from the oxygen. From the same batteries you have in a electric car? You can't ever create energy out on nothing
Do you see dams
If dams can get power from water than machines can too
@@Potatoalex538 Yeah, we simply need cars that collect water on the roof and are 100 meters tall.
Remarkable concept. Go for it guys.
🎉
What method is being used to prevent the water from freezing in areas that normally experience freezing temperatures in the winter?
The same that are being used in all temps. Because this is not happening in real liife.
You can split water into hydrogen and oxygen. It takes an amount of energy.
When you use that stored energy you will get a proportion of that energy back. You will always have to invest a bit more energy than you will ever get back.
100 years there was no gasoline station and they fixed it building more, so how could get electricity build more solar panels
That idea has been around for 65 yrs or more. A bloke in NZ had a Fiat Bambina running on the same idea, breaking water into Hydrogen & Oxygen by electrolysis and burning the Hydrogen for fuel, that was back in the 1960s.
But oil companies bought the patent so he couldn't build them.
@@neildewitt2869Patents are protecting only for 25 years the inventions. So no cause why this kind of engine ist not available since 1985😂
@@neildewitt2869 It can't be patented... it's a perpetual motion machine. Not what Toyota's actually talking about, but anything that claims the water is the fuel. Though I'm wondering if this is, in fact, a complete hoax and I just found a slightly better version of it.
And after reviewing this more, and in other information on the internet, I'm convinced this is a pure hoax and not something Toyota is working on.
Even children know there's no such thing as "diluted water."
Sure, but it's distilled water that's being used
So what? @@vuongnh0607l
It's naturally homeopathic!
@@jamesvandamme7786 🤣
just mix water with water gees, only 1 way to dilute it
WOW, THIS THINGS WILL THE WHOLE WORLD, GOD BLESSED JAPAN TOYOTA.
tell that to the Americans who died in the war against Japan.....
1980. I built Hydrogen converters with regular tap water in Mason jars. Extremely flammable. This is the future!!
Water, "its basic elements LIKE [not "of"] Hydrogen & Oxygen"?
"Diluted Water"?
High voltage electrolysis but no battery.
Why does that ring an alarm bell?
There's a battery. A big EV battery. The video skipped that part, but Toyota did not. It's in other videos, and in their block diagram.
How many different "Toyota's New Engine will destroy EV's!" videos have I seen? I can imagine a scenario where a limited distance engine, like a forklift might possibly get enough power from this electrolysis process. He also didn't seem to mention what the electrical power source for the electrolysis was.
What about the guy with the Peugeot ?
The alternator output can be split into power for the ICE and power for the electrolysis battery. It's not rocket science.
@@endthefed5304 Can you do the experiment and let us know ?
@@pauldavies6037 in my copious spare time? Sure! :-)
@@endthefed5304 What sort of alternator are you running? It would need to be the same size as the front of the car.
A Welsh engineer made a working model of one of these it was a three cylinder engine in the 60s and BP bought the patent and licence and it was never seen again 😳
yep. they get them all. we get nothing. buy oil
No, he was an Iranian democrat atheist
I'm inventing a car that runs on Hopes and Dreams.😮
I bet it will go further that the car powered with bullcrap
Lets go, lets do this.
Does it have to be distilled water?
I have always said that this would be the future...and this is by no means a new concept...but those that have tried to advance it from their home garages, have met with untimely deaths...hopefully Toyota will be able to bring this out of the shadows and make it reality.....It's also too bad Detroit has sat on their hands with this......
The future is Pedal power.
More conspiracy theory nonsense. It seems that you would rather cling to conspiracy theory rather than educate yourself about energy conservation and the laws of thermodynamics.
@@rogerphelps9939 I'm inventing a car that runs on hopes and dreams.
You can't be serious and think that what you said is true. No one has ever made an internal combustion engine that runs off of water. No one. Hydrogen, yes, but the process of converting water into hydrogen is expensive and uses more energy than it produces. It would be like you cutting down a huge tree only to whittle it down and throw away all of the shavings, just to make one toothpick.
@@rayharvey1330 Yabba Dabba Do!!!
The only assumption I am working on is that the laws of thermodynamics are incontrovertible. I am also sure that the engineers at Toyota also know that which leads me two possible conclusions.
The video is a misrepresentation of what they are actually doing or it is a complete spoof.
Sounds great. But how does it work in below freezing temperatures!
@@andrewpelowski It cannot work at any temperature.
The video is a spoof/joke or scam, can't be sure which but for sure you cannot get power from water.
Adaptable to older moters also
No.
How much is the water car?
Increase range by using diluted water. Genius!
You almost have it...but you must add an atmospheric water generator that captures water, co2 and toxins from the atmosphere. Who will be the first car maker that saved the world? will it be Honda or Toyota? Or perhaps another auto maker. You might want to add a solar panel roof and hefty battery to assist in running the water (Fuel) capture device. I believe it can be accomplished if there are still good and honorable people left in the world...🙏
Water is not a fuel. Hydrogen can be made from water, using lots of electricity, then burned at low efficiency. FAIL
If you yourself aren't actively working on it, does that make you not good and honorable?
Judge not. Lest ye be judged.
@@chrismuller2780 You tell me...
@jamesvandamme7786 Wrong...as you know technology is always advancing. Splitting water can be done more efficiently now.
@@cruiserland3309 Unfortunately there is no process that can split water into hydrogen and oxygen without using more energy than is contained within the hydrogen produced. This is not because we just need to find a new process ... it's because of the known laws of physics I'm afraid.
How high voltage is generated?
A coil, like the old cars that had points and condenser
The BIG if here, is doing electrolysis on board. If that can reliably done, then this maybe the game changer that humans have long sought. Water is a lot more plentiful, than even petrol. Also a lot less likely to ignite too.
The other "Big If" is the oil industry. This would devastate a large part of it's business. I think I read that about 30% of oil is used for fuel. That's many billions of dollars they won't give up easily.
The big IF here is how they get around the laws of thermodynamics - takes same or more energy to split the water as is yielded from burning the H2
@@1967davethewave It's not their call, and they're not more powerful than Big Automotive. If they had the ability to block non-petroleum cars, they'd have stopped electrical and ethanol powered vehicles long ago.
@@DaveHaynie That could be true but the question I have for you is are you the reason I was almost extradited to some podunk town I've never heard of in Missouri in 1995 for a warrant?
One of many questions. What is the power output?
Would this work with polluted waters from the UK's water companies
What provides the electricity for the electrolysis?
a battery. It's an EV. lol
what provides the energy for a hybrid ? self generating system.
A battery, but closer to a normal car battery rather than an EV or even a hybrid battery. It would have an alternator to charge the battery. Eventually would need a new battery as do gasoline combustion engines.
@@EatMyShorts75 No... where do you people get these ideas. Toyota has block diagrams of this. They're using a big EV battery. It's going to take a larger battery stack to power this than a conventional EV, because it's less efficient. I do hope they either abandon it or publish some actual papers on the technology. It seems to be pointless.
Stanley Mayer created hydrogen on demand which used electrolysis at the point of injection in the 70s & then he mysteriously died… I’m just glad a motor manufacturer like Toyota & JCB is bringing this to reality👏👏👏
Don't forget Elon Musk.
I remember that.
Have you read up on the Meyer court case? The car was fake, it ran from batteries and barely went for a few miles, no amount of adding more water would extend the range. He was ordered to repay the investors.
This was available 20 years ago in Switzerland but the designer was blocked by the motor industries . I went to the presentation of a water powered car in Geneva over 20 years ago
Or it simply didn't work. You might have noticed that petrol alternatives that actually do work are somehow mysteriously never blocked by the petrol industry. The "motor" industry? This is actually coming from one of the main players in the "automotive" industry. They want you buy cars. They don't much care what fuels you use as long as they can sell one using that fuel.
This video forgot to mention that theses are electric cars with extra steps, you need a battery to separate the H2, so you still need rare earth metals and still need to charge it. 16 years ago I built a HHO/gas hybrid that because of the higher temps, pressure, and oxygen the gas burned more completely and cleanly. Gaining me 10 more miles to the gallon. Fun fact only 30% of the energy in gas is used the rest is lost to heat and out the tail pipe.
Utter fantasy. First of all distilled water would require huge amounts of electricity to make it, which comes from where? Burning fossil fuel, so back to square one.
Secondly, and worst of all, this video seems to have conveniently forgotten that water freezes, so a cold winter and your car is well and truly stuffed.
Wow that's not just sustainable, it's the perpetual motion motor dream. Do they use some of the engine's power to produce the electricity that's needed to make the hydrogen from the water or is there another magic generator that does that? If so what does it use for fuel?
Great questions but unfortunately no answers. That is because perpetual motion is as real as unicorns.
* Bi-polar auto electrolytic hydrogen generator, patent 1992 US5089107A
An autoelectrolytic hydrogen generator system constituted by one or a plurality of similar cells wherein a galvanic arrangement of magnesium and aluminum plates of sacrificial elements as anode; stainless steel as cathode and sea water as electrolyte, by its very nature is made to develop a voltage when connected in short circuit causing a current to flow within the system and hydrogen production of hydrogen in situ and on demand by the electrolytic action at one pole, the cathode, and additional hydrogen by the electrochemical reaction at the other pole, the anode. Surplus electric energy of the system applied to a optional electrolyzer will also be made to produce additional hydrogen at its two sacrificial aluminum electrodes.
@@reverendgoodthrustesq.6875 That sounds like fun but it isn’t the engine that this vague video is hinting at. The engine you mention would probably work somewhat but it doesn’t sound suitable for a car to me, I doubt that it would produce enough power. Real seawater is full of all kinds of stuff which would clog the thing up and those sacrificial plates are going to need replacing regularly. I expect such problems are the reason why you can’t buy one.
@@majordendrocopos * In 1942, U.S. Vice President, Henry Wallace, while on a Good Will Tour of South America, saw the Pacheco generator run an automobile engine and shortly thereafter, the president of Bolivia, General Enrique Penaranda, observed the same phenomena. Both men encouraged Francisco to bring his invention to the United States.
In 1943, Francisco arrived in the U.S. with a letter addressed to the Chief Military Intelligence Service of the United States War Department from Colonel Clarence Barnett, the military attache to the American Embassy, introducing Francisco and requesting an audience to see his invention. At that time, it was believed that the hydrogen generator might be helpful to the U.S. war efforts. In April of that year, Mr. Pacheco successfully demonstrated his generator to the Bureau of Standards in Washington DC and applied for a U.S. patent Bi-polar auto electrolytic hydrogen generator US5089107A.
@@majordendrocopos > In 1942, U.S. Vice President, Henry Wallace, while on a Good Will Tour of South America, saw *the Pacheco generator run an automobile engine* and shortly thereafter, the president of Bolivia, General Enrique Penaranda, observed the same phenomena. Both men encouraged Francisco to bring his invention to the United States.
In 1943, Francisco arrived in the U.S. with a letter addressed to the Chief Military Intelligence Service of the United States War Department from Colonel Clarence Barnett, the military attache to the American Embassy, introducing Francisco and requesting an audience to see his invention. At that time, it was believed that the hydrogen generator might be helpful to the U.S. war efforts. In April of that year, Mr. Pacheco successfully demonstrated his generator to the Bureau of Standards in Washington DC and applied for a U.S. patent Bi-polar auto electrolytic hydrogen generator US5089107A.
You could use a battery to run an electric motor, connect the motor to a generator which is used to charge the battery and the extra power could drive the vehicle. Same principle as using electricity to extract hydrogen from water, re-unite the hydrogen with water producing energy to keep the processw going and produce extra power. Not possible!
You are yet another ignoramus.
The information that I've heard about Stanley Meyers is that on the day of his death he was at a restaurant with Belgian businessmen who expressed interest in investing in a factory to produce his technology. One of them was a member of NATO. Since the entire global economy is based on the petrodollar, this technology, if valid, could destabilize the worlds economy. It would also allow armies to power their tanks with water, ridding themselves of a major supply chain problem. I saw a video of Stanley's niece who corroborated what we've been told of his death. I think that all this makes it likely that he had actually achieved a breakthrough in the process of cracking hydrogen and oxygen from water. It is well known that electrolysis is a very inefficient way to separate water from hydrogen. Meyers never revealed his proprietary processes, but hinted that they have to do with the resonant frequency of water. I imagine that you could approach this using electric pulses, radio waves, laser, and maybe some other methods. There was a time when the "experts" said that heavier than air flight was impossible, until the Wright brothers demonstrated what the law of lift could do.
You missed the part where it said it had to use DISTILLED WATER.
"...you could approach this using electric pulses, radio waves, laser...". All of which are generated using energy, and contain energy. So instead of electroloysis you use something else to split the water - but the overall energy requirement to do so is ultimately the same.
I've researched Meyers patents and they are utter rubbish. None of his patents actually detail any real processes, they are vague and technically childish - basically nothing worth patenting. Meyer disciples will say he did this so that his patents could not be copied, but the whole idea of patents is that no one can copy your design. But his patents are so basic that no one would need to copy any of his patents as there is nothing of any value in them. Personally I think he was trying to patent his ideas, and very broadly, hoping that he could get investors to buy into something he would 'hopefully' eventually achieve. I don't think he ever had a working 'water car' as we think of it. I've also seen some of his short lectures. He has no understanding of science, no answers to any legitimate questions, and gave me the impression that he did not actually have a clue what he was talking about - he was just blagging it. His motto was KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid), which I think suited him to a tee. From everything I've researched on Meyer I believe he, along with his water car, was a fraud.
That's just a silly conspiracy theory. Meyer was at dinner with his brother, and he died of a brain aneurism. The perpetual motion machine he tried to sell had investors going for two years. It never worked, and they sued him -- and won. He was a scam artist, not an inventor.
Fake news. Toyota's website doesn't mention this at all.
ITS NOTHING NEW! My mechanic in Houston used water to fuel his own car!
The presentation of the idea is COMPLETELY wrong. Whoever has written the script, is not really Science literate. (I wonder how deep was the involvement of chatGPT).
The system is not "Fueled" with water. It is fueled with electricity that is used to electrolyze water. ( @1:31 )
Water is just the working fluid. It gets broken down into Hydrogen & Oxygen. The Hydrogen should get separated from Oxygen & stored into a tank for being oxidized back to water in the IC engine.
The whole thing still runs on electricity. It is just changing the battery from Lithium ions based system to Hydrogen based one.
It is a lot of jumping around in terms of thermodynamics & too complex. For the foreseeable future, I will not be moving my investment from Tesla to Toyota shares.
Say goodbye to cheap water. Dont forget the water tax.
If the cabal have anything to do with it ??? water is God sent for free ! the rest is down to greed by the globalists !
we would be forced to fill our pools with Gasoline.....LMFAO
25 years later.... the world is a dessert
How🫠
Water can be extracted from the air.
Water can be extracted from the air.
Bravo per kete pune kaq me vlera per ambjentin dhe per interesin kaq te madh te popullit,respekte dhe gjithe te mirat,o njerez te nderuar!
Imagine making your own fuel with a ZeroWater filter
As an EV owner, they have lots of inherent problems. You don't have to keep rehashing this perpetual energy lie to bring those issues to light.
Sound like an car salesman. Do not worry you will find another job.
This video is talking about a perpetual motion engine. It DOES NOT WORK.
Takes MORE energy to generate enough electricity to sustain electrolysis than you can get out of the resultant hydrogen gas.
Not to mention the relatively low efficiency of all internal combustion engines.
How long is the power cord to supply the electricity to run the electrolyser?
A nice sales voice and soft talk - a bit like someone reading to their children at bed time. I have worked on hydrogen from water without storage and if the bushfires hadn't burned me down in 2020 it might be working by now - solar panel powering hydrogen bubbler via small battery on demand - for cooking, heating and hot water. Not very complex technology at all - but at 75 y.o.now I may never finish the project - I am still re-establishing my rural off-grid setting. And the quantity required for an internal combustion engine is another level altogether ....
The engine still needs oil, will be highly complex, and not remotely as efficient as an ev.
But think of the required overprice car dealership repair departments this tech development will enable! Fantastic!
Pure nonsense. Where the “high power energy” for the electrolysis comes from🤔 Then the distilled water… it’s an insulator. You have to put some electrolytes in it, else no electrolysis. And electrolysis is a very high energetic and costly reaction. Nicely made though. Looks professional. Some people may even believe it😅
@user-ky7iz6up1v You still have the issue of the initial energy for the electrolysing process. And as far as I remember he mentioned that you "only have to put in distilled water". Just want to show that this story is nonsense. And from more sides.
Aaron Salter Jr. was a retired Buffalo police officer who worked as a security guard at Tops Friendly Markets, and in his spare time, he worked on an invention to fuel cars with water electrolysis, which breaks water down into hydrogen and oxygen to use the hydrogen as fuel. In 2022, Salter was killed in the Buffalo mass shooting at the grocery store where he worked.
There is a far simpler engine type using water under pressure, no charging, no top up, and unlimited distance, all based on a WW" tanker drive, outdates all other drive types, no combustion problems power from Archimedes Power drives- Toyota you are years behind.
how electricity of high voltage comes?
I have only one question: How this works at the winter (-30°C for example)?
In winter time, the water storage tank must include a combustible ANTI-FREEZE solution. Otherwise, the water storage tank would turn into a BLOCK OF ICE.
ask Gretta she will explain it to you
Good your editing
no details were given on how they converted water to hydrogen other than it uses high voltage I want to know how they do that part. how much voltage is needed to support highway speeds.
Stan did this year's ago
Where the energy for electrilysis come from?
What powers the electrolysis process? Wouldn't it be far more efficient and less complicated to use the electricity to turn the wheels rather than electrolyse water to produce hydrogen to fuel a combustion engine to spin the wheels?
Can you imagine what governments would do if they lost the ability to tax fuel?
They tax water😢
@@Johnny-um6sd Well not so much where I live. I have a deep well and no city water. I'm with you though, they will find a way.
I made it to 3:26 when I heard the engine could use "any source of Diluted water".
There was a man back in the mid 60’s that developed one but mysteriously disappeared when he filed for patent. It showed 35 miles per gallon. Had an uncle that bought a used Oldsmobile with 350 four barrel he was tickled to death with the car it ran great got 35 mpg one day feds showed up to his house pulled his carburetor put a new one on he sold the car two weeks later because only got 7 mpg
Question??? This seems good and it will be in the warmer climates, and for that alone is worth it, but what about those of us in places like Canada, Russia, Sweden etc. Water freezes in these countries during the winter months. Does this relegate these units to summer drivinig only or is there a solution to this problem?
This tech has been around for many decades. I know a few who have built this type of system, one being my brother and have heard of many more. The main problem with these relatively simple conversions for the market has always been opposition from big business and government with some even having their lives threatened.
Sparkling water for competition cars?
When can we expect this water powered engine? Can’t wait ❤
And where does the high voltage come from?
A battery? - then why not use the electricity directly with much less losses?
there was a guy in the Philippines doing this long time ago. i think it daso ...ill check n share it here
Where does all the power come from to split water molecules in the first place? Wouldn't you need a sizeable battery that needs recharging?