I've searched the whole internet for this video😅. 4080 vs 4090 at 5120 X 2160. Good job man, the 4k Ultrawide benchmarks help a lot, as there's not much info on them.
+1 this is the exact same benchmark I'm looking for too. Because when I compared review benchmarks at least for the 4070 and the 4080, I'm noticing a linear increase in performance from 4070 to 4080 super, but from 4080 to 4090 the increase is not quite the same even at 4k- the increase in core count and memory bit bus does not scale quite as much and there is massive diminishing returns, maybe perhaps the 4090 cores are 'starved'? Seems this benchmark proved it to be so. Interesting because the 5090 might not look good even at 4k vs the 4090, seems it will shine at 5k2k reso, perfect synergy with incoming LG 45" OLED monitors! Only time can tell
The 5090 might do pretty well since it seems a lot of it's performance increase will come from a clock speed increase which tends to provide the most linear scaling
@@ultrawidetechchannel Hey, thanks for your work btw! Keep it up... Also one of the leakers said the SMs are designed from scratch giving huge performance increase. If that's the case and the cores are not as 'starved' then 5090 will be a complete beast... interesting times ahead
@@ultrawidetechchannel Hey man, are you planning to test Black Myth Wukong? Benchmark is out. Interesting how the 4090/4080 fares with a super ultrawide reso
I finally scored a 4090fe last night and can't wait for it to be delivered. Also gaming on 1440 ultra wide so this makes me even more excited. What CPU are you running?
Thank you very much for your content, I got a 4090 below msrp and I have been using it in a samsung G9 and looks amazing. I would love to see a video comparing different CPUs and see the difference if posible
I think you accidentally repeated the 4080 twice during your TLDR. I imagine you meant to recommend the 4080 for 3440x1440 & 3840x1600, whereas you'd recommend the 4090 for 5120x1440 & 5120x2160. Nonetheless, I like your content. You channel has been pretty helpful while picking parts for my new build.
Sorry if I said the same card twice. Sometimes I just know what should be there and my brain just auto corrects the mistake. Thanks for watching my videos.
This was a great benchmark video that was relevant to my specific situation. Fairly recently I started using two 4k screens together at a 7680x2160 resolution, and these results make me quite glad I went with a 4090 over a 4080. Based on the 5120x2160 results, I am guessing the 4090 would be a full 40% faster (or even more) than the 4080 at the 7680x2160 res. That's a huge difference! This is where you really see the extra resolution-scaling horsepower provided by the 4090's increased memory bandwidth. What a terrible value the 4080 is at these higher ultrawide resolutions. Also, subscribed. We may be a more niche bunch but I have fallen in love with ultrawide and I am glad to have stumbled onto a channel that specializes in it.
@@ultrawidetechchannel - The set-up is two identical 55" TV's connected to the 4090 using two DP-to-HDMI adapters. The games I've played on it are AC Origins, AC Odyssey, Injustice 2, Cyberpunk (with DLSS obv), Crysis 3 Remaster (w/DLSS), Fallout 4, F1 2023, RE Village, Far Cry 4 & 5. I've played a fair amount of all of these on this set-up and they all look awesome on it, but the game I've played the most on it is Forza 7. That game is perfect for a set-up like this, and it's so well-optimized that you can run it at 200% resolution scale and still comfortably hit over 60 fps, and it looks incredible. I'm *really* looking forward to seeing the new FM on it when it comes out in October.
@@ultrawidetechchannel - The bezels on these TV's are thin, but in certain games, I just run in windowed mode and move the window slightly to the left or right, and I've edited the registry to turn the window border at the top black so that it's not noticeable when playing. There's so much screen real estate filling your peripheral that you don't notice a couple inches missing off the left or right.
I'm using a RTX 3060 12GB with a Ryzen 7 5700x and 16 GB ram. I'm planning to switch to a 4080 or 4080 Super for 4K gaming at 60+ fps in future games like GTA 6 and newer AAA titles. Which one should I choose, will I face any bottlenecks?
At 4K, your GPU performance to CPU performance should be fairly balanced. If you were running a lower resolution then I would definitely recommend upgrading maybe even in socket to just a 5800X3D. As far as which one to purchase, whichever is cheaper, there's only a 3% performance difference between them. There are no other features different, so if there's more than a 3% price difference, get whichever one's cheaper. For GTA 6 It's hard to say what kind of performance you'll need for that, but you'll likely be needing to use dlss upscaling even with a 4080.
A decent 4080 super costs 1200€ here in Germany. You won't get a proper 4090 if you do not pay at least 800€ more. But the 4090 does also consume way more power and kWh prices here in Europe are through the roof. Chances are that you will spend hundreds of € more on eletricity over just a couple of years running the 4090.
I have OLED 1440p ultrawide but I use DSR with DLSS. The rtx 4090 rendering upscale to almost 5K then use DLSS to increase fps, giving me 30-35% perf compare to 4080. Even though, its 1440p monitor, DSR make the all apps or games looks so much sharper and better. 24GB VRAM should give me better resale value in the future as game continue to use more VRAM. In addition, I got a slim card with MSRP price so I am still sticking to rtx 4090.
@@ultrawidetechchannel Yes, DLAA give me worse image sharpness/detail while giving much lower fps performance compared to combination of DSR/DLSS. I wish we can use DLSS with DLAA but since that is not the case, DSR+DLSS is the king.
I bought the RTX 4080 and luckily in 4K all ultra I have no complaints. It is true that the RTX 4090 surpasses it in performance and high values. But I bought the RTX 4080 on sale for $1100 while the RTX 4090 has an average value of $2400, I have seen some for $2200 but I have also seen some for $3000. And I don't think +100% cost justifies the extra performance. and when the RTX 4080S that are worth $1000 are available, I think it will be more viable. Good video. :)
Thank you for these comparisons! I'm still stuck on what I want to pull the trigger on. I previously had the RX 7900XTX, but I returned it because I couldn't get over the fact I had spent $1,000+ on a GPU and couldn't get high refresh rates with RT on. I was very happy with the raster performance though! My dilemma is 4080 is currently $1099 while the 4090 is $1699. Do you believe the 4090's performance is worth the extra $600? I have a 1440p UW 144hz display and a 7800X3D and 32gb of RAM in my system as well. Thank you!
At 3440x1440p resolution in some lighter games you will likely see the 4090 get bottlenecked. The 4080 will give you 60fps RT in pretty much every game at that resolution. The 4090 is only needed if you're the kind of person who has to play with Path Tracing on, and refuse to accept just Ultra RT.
Hello, you mentioned that the only GPU capable of handling RT and Path tracing is the 4090. I have the 4080 and at 3440x1440, with RT psycho and Path tracing in CP2077, I get around 95fps, of course with FG and DLSS. Even the 4090 can't handle RT and Path tracing without DLSS and FG.
At the 2506x1440 and 3440x1440 resolutions the 4090 is the only gpu able to hit a 60fps average with Quality DLSS which is an internal render resolution of about 1080p. This I feel is a close enough to native presentation that you can say the GPU can handle it if you want to go faster you need more tricks, and Nvidia doesn't recommend using FG when your frame rate is under 60fps so the 4080 while it can get over 60 with frame gen your technically running it out of spec which there are consequences to as you can see in this video of mine. ruclips.net/video/2k7ZxTrwW6Y/видео.html
Just what I needed. Planning to get a 1440p ultrawide monitor and I needed to see if a 4070ti super could handle ultra cyberpunk + RT at that resolution.
And keep in mind that if you plan to do any kind of creative work that requires processing power, like video editing or 3D rendering, the 6 extra gigs of RAM on the 4090 will make a HUGE difference.
Jus bought a G9 OLED. My 3070 Ti handled older games just fine but needed an upgrade. I wound up getting a 3080 Super at retail 999. At that price the 4090 didn’t seem justified for the difference. Especially with the 5000 series around the corner. I figure I can get a decent sale on the 4080S when it’s time to get a 5080. Especially if I am lucky enough to be able to grab one around launch.
i use the rog strix 4080 OC Edition for 4k gaming. With dlss and FG there is absolutley 0 regrets for now. By the way, i bought it for 900$ last year august, which was an absolute steal back in the day
When I made the video the PNY and Zotac still had MSRP cards available but those have been long gone for several months now. The RTX 4080 super is going to do amazing for pretty much everything
Thanks for your videos. I recently upgraded to 7800x3d + 4070ti with a 3440x1440 120hz monitor. I'm quite satisfied, but I see that new games like Starfield or Alan Wake 2, set to ultra with RT, can reach 40-50 fps. In my area, compared to the 4070Ti (760€ which I can still return) the 4080 costs me around €200 more and the 4090 around €540 more. What do you think? Thank you
Your content is awesome! but I still can't decide on which one to get lol I definitely wont be able to get these cards below msrp here in Canada. If you're building a pc and will be keeping it for a decade, which gpu would you pick? lmao just need someone to tell me..
Regardless of resolution, you should get a 4090 if you can find one at msrp. The fact that it has a 20-30% performance improvement on average across most games and has 50% more VRAM makes me feel like the 4080 just isn't worth it. After all, I would expect more than 16GB of VRAM for a $1,200 GPU in 2023.
@ultrawidetechchannel I've seen the 4080 go down a bit, but not that much. I've seen a few go to 1,100 or even 1,050, which does make it a better value, but I would still expect more VRAM at that price point. NVIDIA almost always screws their products out of having a good amount of VRAM for the price though. I guess it would also depend on where you live too. I definitely wouldn't get a 4090 for $2,000, and if it stays that way for a while, I'd probably tell someone who was shopping for a high end NVIDIA card to just wait for the 50 series cards or to see what the 4080 pricing looks like after the Super cards come out in a few months.
Very helpful. I'm alone a 1080ti, looking to build a new system now that I got the aw3423dwf (1440p ultrawide). Solidified my decision to get an Asus Tuf 4080 come Black Friday.
Right now im just trying to decide whether to get it Black Friday, or see what happens in January with the Supers. Or if 4080 regular would get a price reduction..
@@bowlinbob6 It's hard to say some rumors have the super coming in at the 4080 MSRP and the 4080 would drop to $1100. But others have it even cheaper which would mean a $1000 would be out of the question. But you also have to ask your self is having a way better gaming experience for 2-3 months or more worth the more than the savings from waiting?
Thank you for that comparison. I'm currently on a 3080ti and 5800x3D and using an Alienware AW3420DW with 3440x1440@120hz, and I'm curious if the switch to one of the 40 cards would be noticeable and worth it... On the other side, rumors say that Blackwell (Rtx 5000) will be extremely performant... What is your take to Blackwell? Or would you recommend to make a switch from a high 30 series card to a 40 series card?
I would personally sit on that 3080ti until the RTX 50 series and RX 8000 series comes out. The only reason to upgrade now is if you have a game that is your life and you can't run it to the levels that you require.
This video makes sense if ur buying ur card for todays games but i think most people buy for todays and future releases and the 4090 is gonna be more future proof with more memory and performance on tap. Futhermore, if ur spending 1100 on a gpu another 400 probably isnt out of the question.
For 3440x1440 i think the 4080 is future proof. As for 3840x1600 &5120x1440 DLSS is kinda its future proofing it has pretty great raw performance today and DLSS will aloow you to have good performance tomorrow too. $400 is still $400 and especialy if it can go toward a different systme upgrade that may be more potent than jsut more GPU its worth taking that savings.
Excellent analysis. I would argue that at 3440x1440 the 4080 holds a better value as even the mighty 4090 cannot hold 60fps consistently in demanding AAA games I play and requires DLSS. 4080 can do the same trick, less fps overall, but for me a consistent 60 for smooth gameplay is all that's required. I sold my 4090 for 2k (strix) and currently on a used founders 4080 i picked up for just 1k and couldnt be happier. Monitor is a samsung g8 OLED 3440x1440.
Path Tracing does demand that even the 4090 use upscaling to get 60 at 3440x1440, I don't really see that beign the main reason the 4080 is a better overall value at 3440x1440 its more the majority games that dont path trace where the 4080 isn't underutilized at that resolution, and at a push you can get the 4080 to path trace as well with out too much visual degradation from what the 4090 gets.
The 4090 is for you if you will be unsatisfied not getting a near native visual experience when path tracing. If you're fine with just using more general RT instead then the 4080 is the better value for sure. you will see less bottle necking from the CPU with your proposed setup than I saw but you will probably get bottle necking from your monitors refresh rate at that point.
@@zeldapkmn we don't quite know how long that wait is going to be but in all likely hood that would be the best value card that would max out your monitors capabilities.
I have an 'All of the Best New, Announced and Rumored Ultrawide Monitors - July 2023 Update' video that lists a couple in it. but they are looking like late 2024 or 2025.
@@ultrawidetechchannel thanks. Late 2024 is fine for me, I am not buying new monitor before buying new PC with 5080/5090 (expected release date Q1 2025)
ya the eye candy of a 5120x1440 monitor really spoiled me but i didnt know the performance of games didnt think it is about the same as 4k in pixel density. and 3440x1440 would have been such a better buy for peformance.
@ultrawidetechchannel right I'm just gonna build a desktop with a 4080 cause I've had a 3070 ti laptop and I mean it can but it struggles hard and with the 8gb vram is just not enough for what I require
I have a neo g9 5120x1440 with asus 4080 oc i benchmarked it on cod mw3 and it looks like my gpu is bottlenecked at around 140 fps. Does this mean i need a 4090 to not be bottlenecked on AAA games?
It really depends on the rest of your system. If you have the best of the best CPU and the best memory already, then you might be able to get even more out of a 4090. If your CPU is old, then that might be holding back your 4080 from reaching its full potential.
I like this video, the only thing really annoying is that you are always saying the figures/resolutions. I would stick with Ultrawide and Super-ultrawide or do your own branding Ultrawide14/Super(no ultra here please)wide14/Superwide21.... easy to understand and you dont disrupt the flow. And imo x1600 is not relevant.. Otherwise your doing a great job. But what do i know... 💙
It's hard to gauge exactly how much of what is on the slide I need to be saying in my voice over, i have made changes since I started and imagine I'll continue to refien the verbal data deliver over the coming years. (there are going to be many1600p users that will be quite upset with you for saying that, to the one place that covers their resolution)
@@ultrawidetechchannelyo do you know any good gaming laptops btw? i won’t be using any other monitors so i don’t know if i will see a difference between a 4080 and a 4090, but i want to buy the best laptop for around 4k for work and gaming! love your video’s btw
Some is bottelnecking happening at the lower resolutions and where its not bottlenecked by the CPU it is inefficencies in just going bigger, limiting it from being able to acheive a linear increase with the cores.
It will do well for most games even when ray tracing, but you will still lack horsepower for things like Cyberpunk 2077 ultra ray tracing and path tracing right now is just for the 4090 at 1440p
I have the 4080 and it performs beautifully at 3440x1440 except in some games like Remnant without DLSS, but those games are so poorly optimized. I am still not sure if I should go for the 4090 at 3440x1440, budget "doesn't" matter, but your benchmarks show less difference between 4080 and 4090 at 3440x1440 than other benchmark channels.
If they have a 7800x3d or a 13900k they may be able to extract a bit more performance out of the 4090 at that resolution than I can with my 5800x3d. The 4090 is only worth it at that resolution if you're looking to do intense ray tracing like cyberpunk levels at that resolution.
if using 2560 or lower no need and if like me u use 3440-1440p at 35' 180hz 4070ti oc is plenty tbh .. all the u need the top product stuff is slowly destroying the pc community..l alot of people cant afford top specs and some like me can but would rather pay for motorbike or holiday and keep 3090 or 4070ti.. good accurate review but 4k is next gen for me and once nvidia stops its greed or ill go amd
Thanks, ya both these cards are 'bad deals' but not every one is looking for a deal. The 4070ti and 7900xt are really the sweet spot for 3440x1440 performance
If your playing at 5120x1440, 4K or higher resolution the RTX 4090 makes a compelling argument for itself, though i would not classify the 4080 as a no go card.
@@ultrawidetechchannel I mean the 4080 isn’t that great compared to a 4070 Ti and they was charging you 400$ more. That’s the problem. Back then around the 10 series each card actually had its own lane that the performance was nice. There’s a reason why people rip on the 4080. And for high 165+ hz 1440 4090 would still be my pick. 4080 and the 4070 Ti would give me buyer’s remorse
They are alot of money, but i think you need to be more specific with the shit games critique. I'm more of the option we are getting great games with shit optimization at launch.
It is more future proof but I'm not sure if you will really benefit (before wanting to upgrade anyway) in a way you can really feel if you are not playing at higher resolutions than 3440x1440.
@@ultrawidetechchannel I'm just worried about VRAM because Cyberpunk is already pushing 16GB (on highest settings) with its new update.(granted that's at 4k and I play at 1440)
I've searched the whole internet for this video😅. 4080 vs 4090 at 5120 X 2160. Good job man, the 4k Ultrawide benchmarks help a lot, as there's not much info on them.
Glad you found the channel, enjoy your crazy resolution I know I do.
+1 this is the exact same benchmark I'm looking for too. Because when I compared review benchmarks at least for the 4070 and the 4080, I'm noticing a linear increase in performance from 4070 to 4080 super, but from 4080 to 4090 the increase is not quite the same even at 4k- the increase in core count and memory bit bus does not scale quite as much and there is massive diminishing returns, maybe perhaps the 4090 cores are 'starved'?
Seems this benchmark proved it to be so. Interesting because the 5090 might not look good even at 4k vs the 4090, seems it will shine at 5k2k reso, perfect synergy with incoming LG 45" OLED monitors! Only time can tell
The 5090 might do pretty well since it seems a lot of it's performance increase will come from a clock speed increase which tends to provide the most linear scaling
@@ultrawidetechchannel Hey, thanks for your work btw! Keep it up...
Also one of the leakers said the SMs are designed from scratch giving huge performance increase. If that's the case and the cores are not as 'starved' then 5090 will be a complete beast... interesting times ahead
@@ultrawidetechchannel Hey man, are you planning to test Black Myth Wukong? Benchmark is out. Interesting how the 4090/4080 fares with a super ultrawide reso
I'm very happy with my 4090 and 3440x1440 OLED monitor. Great visuals and great performance.
You would have to try very hard to be unhappy with that amazing combo.
Happy or not, there IS nothing better for now
I finally scored a 4090fe last night and can't wait for it to be delivered. Also gaming on 1440 ultra wide so this makes me even more excited. What CPU are you running?
@@marcoallende3683 13700K, you?
I’m gonna go for that combo
Wow you actually benchmarked 3840x1600 I don’t see that anywhere. I had to sub
I'm trying to do right by the whole ultrawide community. Though 1080p ultrawide users may dispute that.
Thank you very much for your content, I got a 4090 below msrp and I have been using it in a samsung G9 and looks amazing. I would love to see a video comparing different CPUs and see the difference if posible
As soon as I can get the scratch together for a platform upgrade I'll do some CPU testing
I think you accidentally repeated the 4080 twice during your TLDR. I imagine you meant to recommend the 4080 for 3440x1440 & 3840x1600, whereas you'd recommend the 4090 for 5120x1440 & 5120x2160. Nonetheless, I like your content. You channel has been pretty helpful while picking parts for my new build.
Sorry if I said the same card twice. Sometimes I just know what should be there and my brain just auto corrects the mistake. Thanks for watching my videos.
This was a great benchmark video that was relevant to my specific situation. Fairly recently I started using two 4k screens together at a 7680x2160 resolution, and these results make me quite glad I went with a 4090 over a 4080. Based on the 5120x2160 results, I am guessing the 4090 would be a full 40% faster (or even more) than the 4080 at the 7680x2160 res. That's a huge difference! This is where you really see the extra resolution-scaling horsepower provided by the 4090's increased memory bandwidth. What a terrible value the 4080 is at these higher ultrawide resolutions.
Also, subscribed. We may be a more niche bunch but I have fallen in love with ultrawide and I am glad to have stumbled onto a channel that specializes in it.
Any resolution beyond standard 4K pretty much demands you use the 4090. What games do you play at the resolution using dual monitors?
@@ultrawidetechchannel - The set-up is two identical 55" TV's connected to the 4090 using two DP-to-HDMI adapters. The games I've played on it are AC Origins, AC Odyssey, Injustice 2, Cyberpunk (with DLSS obv), Crysis 3 Remaster (w/DLSS), Fallout 4, F1 2023, RE Village, Far Cry 4 & 5. I've played a fair amount of all of these on this set-up and they all look awesome on it, but the game I've played the most on it is Forza 7. That game is perfect for a set-up like this, and it's so well-optimized that you can run it at 200% resolution scale and still comfortably hit over 60 fps, and it looks incredible. I'm *really* looking forward to seeing the new FM on it when it comes out in October.
@@Kryptic1046 Thats pretty sweet. I could see how alot of those driving games would work great. How do you manage the bezels on the shooters?
@@ultrawidetechchannel - The bezels on these TV's are thin, but in certain games, I just run in windowed mode and move the window slightly to the left or right, and I've edited the registry to turn the window border at the top black so that it's not noticeable when playing. There's so much screen real estate filling your peripheral that you don't notice a couple inches missing off the left or right.
man why am i watching this, i still have a 1080p 60 hrz monitor xD
Technolust baby!
I'm using a RTX 3060 12GB with a Ryzen 7 5700x and 16 GB ram. I'm planning to switch to a 4080 or 4080 Super for 4K gaming at 60+ fps in future games like GTA 6 and newer AAA titles. Which one should I choose, will I face any bottlenecks?
At 4K, your GPU performance to CPU performance should be fairly balanced. If you were running a lower resolution then I would definitely recommend upgrading maybe even in socket to just a 5800X3D.
As far as which one to purchase, whichever is cheaper, there's only a 3% performance difference between them. There are no other features different, so if there's more than a 3% price difference, get whichever one's cheaper.
For GTA 6 It's hard to say what kind of performance you'll need for that, but you'll likely be needing to use dlss upscaling even with a 4080.
A decent 4080 super costs 1200€ here in Germany. You won't get a proper 4090 if you do not pay at least 800€ more. But the 4090 does also consume way more power and kWh prices here in Europe are through the roof. Chances are that you will spend hundreds of € more on eletricity over just a couple of years running the 4090.
It's crazy how as it has gotten older the 4090s lowest avaialbe price has continued to climb.
I have OLED 1440p ultrawide but I use DSR with DLSS. The rtx 4090 rendering upscale to almost 5K then use DLSS to increase fps, giving me 30-35% perf compare to 4080. Even though, its 1440p monitor, DSR make the all apps or games looks so much sharper and better. 24GB VRAM should give me better resale value in the future as game continue to use more VRAM. In addition, I got a slim card with MSRP price so I am still sticking to rtx 4090.
The 4090 does seem to be holding its value quite well. Have you compared what you're doing to DLAA?
@@ultrawidetechchannel Yes, DLAA give me worse image sharpness/detail while giving much lower fps performance compared to combination of DSR/DLSS. I wish we can use DLSS with DLAA but since that is not the case, DSR+DLSS is the king.
Thanks again for the video Scott, I'd like to see what happens when you undervolt the 4090 on those ultrawide resolutions!
Maybe one day I'll get all caught up and be able to do some oc/undervolt testing.
I bought the RTX 4080 and luckily in 4K all ultra I have no complaints.
It is true that the RTX 4090 surpasses it in performance and high values.
But I bought the RTX 4080 on sale for $1100 while the RTX 4090 has an average value of $2400, I have seen some for $2200 but I have also seen some for $3000.
And I don't think +100% cost justifies the extra performance.
and when the RTX 4080S that are worth $1000 are available, I think it will be more viable. Good video. :)
The 4090's price is so wild now that its almost out of consideration any more. If you find one for MSRP then i woudl snap it up.
Thank you for these comparisons! I'm still stuck on what I want to pull the trigger on. I previously had the RX 7900XTX, but I returned it because I couldn't get over the fact I had spent $1,000+ on a GPU and couldn't get high refresh rates with RT on. I was very happy with the raster performance though!
My dilemma is 4080 is currently $1099 while the 4090 is $1699. Do you believe the 4090's performance is worth the extra $600? I have a 1440p UW 144hz display and a 7800X3D and 32gb of RAM in my system as well. Thank you!
At 3440x1440p resolution in some lighter games you will likely see the 4090 get bottlenecked. The 4080 will give you 60fps RT in pretty much every game at that resolution. The 4090 is only needed if you're the kind of person who has to play with Path Tracing on, and refuse to accept just Ultra RT.
Hello, you mentioned that the only GPU capable of handling RT and Path tracing is the 4090. I have the 4080 and at 3440x1440, with RT psycho and Path tracing in CP2077, I get around 95fps, of course with FG and DLSS. Even the 4090 can't handle RT and Path tracing without DLSS and FG.
At the 2506x1440 and 3440x1440 resolutions the 4090 is the only gpu able to hit a 60fps average with Quality DLSS which is an internal render resolution of about 1080p. This I feel is a close enough to native presentation that you can say the GPU can handle it if you want to go faster you need more tricks, and Nvidia doesn't recommend using FG when your frame rate is under 60fps so the 4080 while it can get over 60 with frame gen your technically running it out of spec which there are consequences to as you can see in this video of mine. ruclips.net/video/2k7ZxTrwW6Y/видео.html
very great video thank you verymuch i have the ultrawide alienware monitor so i will be going with the 4080!
Good choice, you'll have a blast with that combo.
Just what I needed. Planning to get a 1440p ultrawide monitor and I needed to see if a 4070ti super could handle ultra cyberpunk + RT at that resolution.
You will need to used balanced DLSS if you want to get over 60 but you can get close with Quality.
@@ultrawidetechchannel I'll be fine on quality now that ray reconstruction is in the game.
And keep in mind that if you plan to do any kind of creative work that requires processing power, like video editing or 3D rendering, the 6 extra gigs of RAM on the 4090 will make a HUGE difference.
Very true, when your making money off a product its value proposition changes quite a lot compared to just gaming on it.
Jus bought a G9 OLED. My 3070 Ti handled older games just fine but needed an upgrade. I wound up getting a 3080 Super at retail 999. At that price the 4090 didn’t seem justified for the difference. Especially with the 5000 series around the corner. I figure I can get a decent sale on the 4080S when it’s time to get a 5080. Especially if I am lucky enough to be able to grab one around launch.
the 4080S will treat you just right for that resolution.
i use the rog strix 4080 OC Edition for 4k gaming. With dlss and FG there is absolutley 0 regrets for now. By the way, i bought it for 900$ last year august, which was an absolute steal back in the day
$1599? Every card I saw on Newegg was over $2000. My 4080 MSI Suprim runs just fine.
When I made the video the PNY and Zotac still had MSRP cards available but those have been long gone for several months now. The RTX 4080 super is going to do amazing for pretty much everything
Hey I just found and picked up a new 4080 for 800$. Does that compete with the 4090 price to performance wise?
YES! How did you even get one that cheap, was it used? All the ones here start from $1200.
It would destroy it price to performance wise. at 1200 they are pretty much a wash price to performance.
Thanks for your videos. I recently upgraded to 7800x3d + 4070ti with a 3440x1440 120hz monitor. I'm quite satisfied, but I see that new games like Starfield or Alan Wake 2, set to ultra with RT, can reach 40-50 fps. In my area, compared to the 4070Ti (760€ which I can still return) the 4080 costs me around €200 more and the 4090 around €540 more. What do you think? Thank you
The only card that can really do path tracing is the RTX 4090, but if regular Ultra RT is your goal then the 4080 will have you covered.
Your content is awesome! but I still can't decide on which one to get lol I definitely wont be able to get these cards below msrp here in Canada. If you're building a pc and will be keeping it for a decade, which gpu would you pick? lmao just need someone to tell me..
If you're keeping it for a decade with no upgrades down the line I would get the 4090. If it's not going to be a financial hardship that is.
Regardless of resolution, you should get a 4090 if you can find one at msrp. The fact that it has a 20-30% performance improvement on average across most games and has 50% more VRAM makes me feel like the 4080 just isn't worth it. After all, I would expect more than 16GB of VRAM for a $1,200 GPU in 2023.
The 4080 can often be found on sale these days, increasing its price. Performance value, while the 4090 is trending in the opposite direction.
@ultrawidetechchannel I've seen the 4080 go down a bit, but not that much. I've seen a few go to 1,100 or even 1,050, which does make it a better value, but I would still expect more VRAM at that price point. NVIDIA almost always screws their products out of having a good amount of VRAM for the price though. I guess it would also depend on where you live too. I definitely wouldn't get a 4090 for $2,000, and if it stays that way for a while, I'd probably tell someone who was shopping for a high end NVIDIA card to just wait for the 50 series cards or to see what the 4080 pricing looks like after the Super cards come out in a few months.
Very helpful. I'm alone a 1080ti, looking to build a new system now that I got the aw3423dwf (1440p ultrawide). Solidified my decision to get an Asus Tuf 4080 come Black Friday.
A 4080 is going to allow you to rock that monitor's socks.
Right now im just trying to decide whether to get it Black Friday, or see what happens in January with the Supers. Or if 4080 regular would get a price reduction..
@@bowlinbob6 It's hard to say some rumors have the super coming in at the 4080 MSRP and the 4080 would drop to $1100. But others have it even cheaper which would mean a $1000 would be out of the question.
But you also have to ask your self is having a way better gaming experience for 2-3 months or more worth the more than the savings from waiting?
Having the 4090 I've noticed this card is power hungry....be prepared for your electricity bill going up.
It is indeed, but its to be expected with the rated power draw.
Thank you for that comparison. I'm currently on a 3080ti and 5800x3D and using an Alienware AW3420DW with 3440x1440@120hz, and I'm curious if the switch to one of the 40 cards would be noticeable and worth it... On the other side, rumors say that Blackwell (Rtx 5000) will be extremely performant... What is your take to Blackwell? Or would you recommend to make a switch from a high 30 series card to a 40 series card?
I would personally sit on that 3080ti until the RTX 50 series and RX 8000 series comes out.
The only reason to upgrade now is if you have a game that is your life and you can't run it to the levels that you require.
@@ultrawidetechchannel Thank you for your advice. Yeah that sounds reasonable, I think I will sit this generation out.
I have the same display and recently bought 4090. Its perfect. You cannot get frames like that in mp games in anything lower than 4080 and a good cpu.
This video makes sense if ur buying ur card for todays games but i think most people buy for todays and future releases and the 4090 is gonna be more future proof with more memory and performance on tap. Futhermore, if ur spending 1100 on a gpu another 400 probably isnt out of the question.
For 3440x1440 i think the 4080 is future proof. As for 3840x1600 &5120x1440 DLSS is kinda its future proofing it has pretty great raw performance today and DLSS will aloow you to have good performance tomorrow too. $400 is still $400 and especialy if it can go toward a different systme upgrade that may be more potent than jsut more GPU its worth taking that savings.
Where can you get a new 4090 for $1500? Cheapest I can find is $1600, before tax.
Excellent analysis. I would argue that at 3440x1440 the 4080 holds a better value as even the mighty 4090 cannot hold 60fps consistently in demanding AAA games I play and requires DLSS. 4080 can do the same trick, less fps overall, but for me a consistent 60 for smooth gameplay is all that's required. I sold my 4090 for 2k (strix) and currently on a used founders 4080 i picked up for just 1k and couldnt be happier. Monitor is a samsung g8 OLED 3440x1440.
How would this judgment be affected for 3440 x 1440 with a 7800X3D + 4090 vs 7800X3D + 4080?
Path Tracing does demand that even the 4090 use upscaling to get 60 at 3440x1440, I don't really see that beign the main reason the 4080 is a better overall value at 3440x1440 its more the majority games that dont path trace where the 4080 isn't underutilized at that resolution, and at a push you can get the 4080 to path trace as well with out too much visual degradation from what the 4090 gets.
The 4090 is for you if you will be unsatisfied not getting a near native visual experience when path tracing. If you're fine with just using more general RT instead then the 4080 is the better value for sure. you will see less bottle necking from the CPU with your proposed setup than I saw but you will probably get bottle necking from your monitors refresh rate at that point.
@@ultrawidetechchannel In this case, would it be worth waiting for the 4080 Super for a better value?
@@zeldapkmn we don't quite know how long that wait is going to be but in all likely hood that would be the best value card that would max out your monitors capabilities.
When are we going to see 21:9 5120x2160 high refresh rate screens? I can’t find it anywhere and no news?
I have an 'All of the Best New, Announced and Rumored Ultrawide Monitors - July 2023 Update' video that lists a couple in it. but they are looking like late 2024 or 2025.
@@ultrawidetechchannel thanks. Late 2024 is fine for me, I am not buying new monitor before buying new PC with 5080/5090 (expected release date Q1 2025)
@@daniil3815 it's always smart to upgrade your GPU when you upgrade your resolution expecialy to one so high.
Can you do this exact same analysis on the 4080 super lol
ya the eye candy of a 5120x1440 monitor really spoiled me but i didnt know the performance of games didnt think it is about the same as 4k in pixel density. and 3440x1440 would have been such a better buy for peformance.
the high refresh rate 3440x1440 monitors are the sweet spot right now if you want 120fps+ gaming.
@ultrawidetechchannel right I'm just gonna build a desktop with a 4080 cause I've had a 3070 ti laptop and I mean it can but it struggles hard and with the 8gb vram is just not enough for what I require
I have a neo g9 5120x1440 with asus 4080 oc i benchmarked it on cod mw3 and it looks like my gpu is bottlenecked at around 140 fps. Does this mean i need a 4090 to not be bottlenecked on AAA games?
It really depends on the rest of your system. If you have the best of the best CPU and the best memory already, then you might be able to get even more out of a 4090. If your CPU is old, then that might be holding back your 4080 from reaching its full potential.
Thanks for this good video ... 👌🏻💐
Thank you too
I like this video, the only thing really annoying is that you are always saying the figures/resolutions. I would stick with Ultrawide and Super-ultrawide or do your own branding Ultrawide14/Super(no ultra here please)wide14/Superwide21.... easy to understand and you dont disrupt the flow. And imo x1600 is not relevant.. Otherwise your doing a great job. But what do i know... 💙
It's hard to gauge exactly how much of what is on the slide I need to be saying in my voice over, i have made changes since I started and imagine I'll continue to refien the verbal data deliver over the coming years. (there are going to be many1600p users that will be quite upset with you for saying that, to the one place that covers their resolution)
dudes hand movement got me giggling but thanks
They have a mind of their own!
@@ultrawidetechchannelyo do you know any good gaming laptops btw? i won’t be using any other monitors so i don’t know if i will see a difference between a 4080 and a 4090, but i want to buy the best laptop for around 4k for work and gaming! love your video’s btw
I am very happy with my 4080 at 4k.
4k is about the same as 5120 by 1440 which the 4080 does very well at
@@ultrawidetechchannel4k is actually has more then a million more pixles then 5120x 1440
a video looking towards my specific needs is great, but it also tells me I'm better off with a 4090 🙃If only I could find one that isn't overpriced
Their prices are going crazy nowadays. Good luck.
But the 4090 has 68% more CUDA as the 4080. Why is the difference so small?
Even the 7800X3D is a bottleneck on the x90,and even the 80 ,with the x80 its very rarely.
Some is bottelnecking happening at the lower resolutions and where its not bottlenecked by the CPU it is inefficencies in just going bigger, limiting it from being able to acheive a linear increase with the cores.
whats your opinion on the 4080 @4K gaming? not ultrawide
It will do well for most games even when ray tracing, but you will still lack horsepower for things like Cyberpunk 2077 ultra ray tracing and path tracing right now is just for the 4090 at 1440p
thank you.@@ultrawidetechchannel
30% performance for more than double the price in 2024.
The 4090 prices have really gotten out of control since mid 2023
I have the 4080 and it performs beautifully at 3440x1440 except in some games like Remnant without DLSS, but those games are so poorly optimized. I am still not sure if I should go for the 4090 at 3440x1440, budget "doesn't" matter, but your benchmarks show less difference between 4080 and 4090 at 3440x1440 than other benchmark channels.
If they have a 7800x3d or a 13900k they may be able to extract a bit more performance out of the 4090 at that resolution than I can with my 5800x3d. The 4090 is only worth it at that resolution if you're looking to do intense ray tracing like cyberpunk levels at that resolution.
got 4080s at 1300 CAD 4090 is 2400 CAD... went with the 4080s
smart choice
I settled for the 4080. $1200 looks a lot better than $2000
Yeah 4090 prices are getting out of control.
Unfortunately, Shelling out the extra money for the 4090 is worth it if you are even considering buying a 4080
If you can't find the 4080 on sale and you can find the 4090 for MSRP then it's definaly worth the upgrade if you can come up with that extra $400.
if using 2560 or lower no need and if like me u use 3440-1440p at 35' 180hz 4070ti oc is plenty tbh .. all the u need the top product stuff is slowly destroying the pc community..l alot of people cant afford top specs and some like me can but would rather pay for motorbike or holiday and keep 3090 or 4070ti.. good accurate review but 4k is next gen for me and once nvidia stops its greed or ill go amd
Thanks, ya both these cards are 'bad deals' but not every one is looking for a deal. The 4070ti and 7900xt are really the sweet spot for 3440x1440 performance
My Tv is 60hz and 4k lol, i got the 4080 cause das all i could afford with a i9 12900k.. im happy with it
The 4080 can do 4k well. It might struggle a bit with your cyberpunk raytracing but other games should all be fine.
Price not fair rather keep lower card.
Prices on these are rough and don't seem to be improving that much despite coming on a year old.
Cyberpunk...FSR?
Yes, FSR off, because the default Ultra preset uses FSR Auto on. When i test with raytracing I use DLSS where noted.
Sweet. 4090 is the way to go then!
If the money is no problem then you might as well.
Hmm the 4090 probably hold back by cpu !!
There is some minor throtteling happening at 3440x1440p in Tomb Raider and in GotG the game doesn't go abover 200hz
A 4080 is a slightly better 4070 Ti with 4gb of extra ram ..... That right there is a no go for me... DEF not a true 4k card like the 4090 is
If your playing at 5120x1440, 4K or higher resolution the RTX 4090 makes a compelling argument for itself, though i would not classify the 4080 as a no go card.
@@ultrawidetechchannel I mean the 4080 isn’t that great compared to a 4070 Ti and they was charging you 400$ more. That’s the problem. Back then around the 10 series each card actually had its own lane that the performance was nice. There’s a reason why people rip on the 4080. And for high 165+ hz 1440 4090 would still be my pick. 4080 and the 4070 Ti would give me buyer’s remorse
So basically lot of money and literally shit games everywhere, but Hey let's waste money for future games
They are alot of money, but i think you need to be more specific with the shit games critique. I'm more of the option we are getting great games with shit optimization at launch.
I kinda want the 4090 just so it'll last me longer with it's increased VRAM.
It is more future proof but I'm not sure if you will really benefit (before wanting to upgrade anyway) in a way you can really feel if you are not playing at higher resolutions than 3440x1440.
@@ultrawidetechchannel fair point
@@ultrawidetechchannel I'm just worried about VRAM because Cyberpunk is already pushing 16GB (on highest settings) with its new update.(granted that's at 4k and I play at 1440)
@@Giliver I still think the 4080 is safe at your resolution for the years to come.
@@ultrawidetechchannel agreed
I have the money aside for one now I'm just waiting on Prime Day/Black Friday sales.