I'm in the market for one of these printers, and was leaning towards Bambu before this video. I currently have 3 Creality printers. After watching this video, I'm convinced, I'm going Bambu X1 Great video!!
Bambu is definitely on top of the game. K1 is a good printer especially if you can get it on sale but definitely requires more tinkering. If I was looking to spend around $1000 I’d buy a Bambu
My friend bought a p1s about a month ago, and received my K1 max just this weekend. I’ve been using Creality machines for about two years now and I can say other than build volume the Bambu machine is just better… not that I dislike my machine, I’ve already had issued with mine, ie parts missing, extruded clogging, print oddities, and more. While my buddy has had almost no issue at all with his bambu. I’ve had more issues with my K1 than he has had with his P1S this weekend than he has had in his month of ownership… still a nice machine and if Creality comes out with a multi filament system I think they will be much more comparable to those machines at that point.
@@TwoMooseDesign definitely. It doesn’t help Creality left out some parts out of my printer and UPS delivered all of my extra parts(build plate, and sonic pad) to someone else’s house.
my buddy has 2 bamboos, they will nozel clog on some filaments, they both HATE 2 brands of silk filiments he as that both print flawlessly with both the FLSUN v400 and t1, where as hes never had the v400 clog and the t1 stopped having issues when he changed to a better nozel the he had installed when he got it, hes not sure he used the one it came with but either way after we looked at it once it was cleaned off, you could see it was deformed/warped/flawed so... it got drilled out to a large bore and put on his super racer for stuff his wife prints that she uses "thicccc" nozels for.. and this guys got a stack of printers because his company pays him to both test them and tell them what to buy for specific jobs, hes both sent unites by work and by suppliers and companies directly, hes got a t1 and s1 because they sent them to him to test, and both got several units ordered after testing, bamboo they have a few of but have had to rebuild the AMS due to the same slot going out on them all within months of use, think he said it was slot 3.. either way, he says all the "major brands" and well know brands seem to have their up sides and down sides, the one thing he keeps saying though, the best exp hes had with a 'build from box' printer has been FLSUN Delta printers, and his first prusa was a genuinely horrible experience, missing parts, extra parts, i mean they got it sorted and once he re-built the thing 2x and got it all sorted out, its still a very solid printer quite a few years later, but, it was a nightmare to get up and running originally... his worst exp was a creality product though, but he does say despite support being a bit slow they did stand behind the unit and sent him what he needed to get it working, as well as some extra stuff to make up for the problems(a couple bed sheets and minor upgrades to the unit), he also had a very good exp with one they sent him free fully built, that ended up at the company along side the 3 they could order doing prints in an annoying filiment that is tetchy to use on most printers but... creality actually sent them an update for the control unit that added a profile for that specific type of tetcy filiment, the prints have to run at 1/2 speed and at temps that burn out the stock heads on most other printers... or thats what im told.. the v400 and T1 im told are both great if AMS isnt a concern offer better value, his best print so far was an iron man helmet designed for his actual head.. and it too 2 tries.. first one wouldnt fit over his ears LOL.. 2nd one he made from some fairly stuff flexible stuff that came out amazing.. even the print in place joints for the face plate work.. his wife painted it.. like war machine just to piss him off LOL oh and there are things he loves about the bamboo labs printers, but they do have potential issues, like slots on the AMS that are prone to fail and need user rebuilt if you want a long term solution.. he says they are great for multi filiment prints, not as good as a modified v400 they have thats print head takes 6 filaments using a coprint module, that he says actually works amazingly well according to my buddy and his daughter who does alot of fine tuning or him on the new devices and filaments.. he does say, regardless of what they both tried..that silk shit just will not print successfully on the bamboo printers for some reason... but will even print successfully with his old neptune 2... he also says bamboo only gave him good support when he used his company email address to contact them... rather then the one he ordered the test units from...
@@AshenTech I commend your use of paragraphs, but, next time, please throw in some punctuation other than commas and quotation marks. Caps at the beginning of sentences would also be nice, but I'd settle for just actual sentences. It seemed like you might have had something interesting to say, but I quit after the third paragraph because I just couldn't understand what I was reading and was getting a headache from it. I'm a tech writer, so reading tech stuff is my bread and butter. Just couldn't do it here.
@@williamhadley1580 I use Orca which has been great, just select the K1 Max profile. Bambu is gonna be a bit more click print and go, but the K1 Max has been very close in terms of click and go to my P1S for over a year now.
@soupismgaming7546 You can get the Mini for $199 and get great prints every time! Or pay $100 more and get the 256mm cubed build area A1 which is just as good!
Bambu printers just work, and that's that. Creality printers have to be tinkered and maintained to even try to be performed on the level of an out of box p1p. Not to mention that bambu has the X1c is faster has better features and can have an ams attached to it. If anything, this is the end of creality.
I agree, I really wish it wasn’t so rushed it had potential. I still think it’s pretty good it you’re right on on the tinkering. Thanks for stopping by I appreciate it 👊🏼
Half true.. you have to mainain every machine for it to work great. X1c is not faster, i work with them every day and the k1 max is faster and prity significantly. Ams ok. Well not everyone need or want. Its all about what you want and need for example i need that 300mm³ build volume so bambu is no match for creality. In my personal opinion its only about that k1 max cost 1/2 the price of x1c and that it is much bigger, i get that people just want to compare them but they are machines for different use.
@hauntycz5191 I see what you're saying, but comparing the two machines is like comparing night and day. The k1 was rushed and not ready, while the X1c, while being more expensive, was carefully thought out and come with all the bells and whistles. Right now, there's nothing really like the ams on the market except prusas version. So I will have to politely disagree. The ams is amazing. k1 may be a hair faster, but the print quality is okay at best. Any bambu printer works straight out of the box.
I got a P1P and did the P1S encloser upgrade and I pretty much just click print and it does the magic it does. My advice for cleaner prints is to turn off all the fans except for the parts fan. Works great.
This is a solid review! Much appreciated! Would love to see you compare the Qidi to the K1, or do a comparison of all 3! I am torn between these 3 and it looks like you did what I wish I could do - buy them all 😂 Currently the K1 Max is $700 and X1C is $1200 at my local micro center, which has me leaning towards the K1 as I don’t mind a little tinkering to save $500.
I have an Ender 3 S1 Pro. It’s my first printer. I’ve been considering the Bambu X1, and then I saw the K1 Max. The ability to do multicolored prints with the Bambu, is a huge advantage. I think, if Creality can design a similar set up, and take their time ensuring it works, they’d have a better chance of competing. Thank you for this comparison. I think it’ll be worth the extra money for more options, and less hassle.
I’m honestly surprised Creality hasn’t designed one. Single color is fine, when someone is just starting out, but once you’ve been at it for a while, being able to seamlessly print in multiple colors becomes extremely appealing. I bought the Sonic Pad, and love it. If they had a multi-filament add on, that could integrate with the Sonic Pad, I believe they’d have a home run.
I picked up a k1 a few weeks ago. For the money I am very impressed. But in my case I didn't mind modding it a bit. I rooted mine, shimmed the bed, printed a top cover and designed a door seal. I also only use orca slicer. That is the best one in my opinion and works via wifi etc. And just a heads up Bambu slicer is a clone of prusia slicer and not cura. Thanks for the review
@@TwoMooseDesignthanks. And when or if you do root yours and install stock klipper it will help with the ghosting as creality chose to cut some corners and used the x imput shaper numbers twice to save time. And that make no sense. Once you root it will fix that. Now as for the zits. It is due to the z seam. You must have chosen random and not aligned. And yes pressure advance also will help a lot. It is a shame creality didn't spend a bit more time tunning it.
@@Andre_M_3D thank you I appreciate the tips! Always learning, I think it’s a good printer but if they would of spent more time testing It could have been more competitive with the Bambu, it’s also a lot cheaper especially if you can get it on sale. Pick your battles I guess lol
Do you have either of these printers? If so what do you think? Overall the x1c was super easy to learn on and is a powerhouse! The K1 Max is also great for the price, it’s been pretty good just a little sensitive.
I've got the X1C, and it was / is still amazing, but after a lot of tinkering. I still have a LIDAR fault after this most recent firmware update and have got no response from my ticket I submitted 9 days ago. So I wouldn't recommend bambu at the moment maybe if they improve the customer support, but they have been saying that since before July.
I have the X1 Carbon and Snapmaker J1... both great printers but size is a limitation. Had to re-do a couple of models to fit on the X1 and would have worked perfectly on the K1 Max no doubt. Quick question... did you print in PLA and if so, what did you use to glue in the magnets?
@@dholi2k hey! I use pla like 98% of the time and I just used super glue, the holes are pretty tight to begin with and I used a pliers to press them in. I’ve also had some fun imbedding the magnets and the machine prints over them
i have K1 Max for a few weeks now, i love it! i have the printer and the ferret pro for €900 and 6 rolls of petg from crealty. total of €1000. And the best news is that the cfs will also be available for K1 Max 😀
I have an X1C but I dont have a K1 Max but I do have 7 other Creality printers. I did not even consider getting the K1 Max as every Creality printer I have bought has had issues that I have had to fix myself and from what I have seen the K1 Max is no different. Apart from having to print a few parts to get rid of sharp Bowden tube angles on the AMS I have had no issues with my X1 Carbon! BTW Bambu Studio is a fork of Prusa Slicer not Cura!
Love my X1C, the AMS is wonderful. Right away when they launched them it sounded like it was a gamble on if it would work properly or not. Hopefully they cleared up most of those problems, mine definitely surpassed my expectations but the Bambu is a pretty high standard haha
Same thing happens with the AMS as is the case with every single Creality product. yOu jUsT haVe to mOd iT. PTFE guides and you'll never error on the AMS retractions. The difference being here one is an addon, the other requires mods to the base product to function at all though.
@@probably3dprintingsomething I did mention in my comment that the only thing I had to address was the AMS Bowden tube angles which I solved by printing some brackets. My point was that all the Creality machines I have bought have come with issues and some of them major, I got sick of having to fix printers I paid good money for, IMO I made the right decision in not buying a K1 Max, the K1's are on their third extruder, the beds are like ski slopes (one poster on Reddit had a 1.4mm difference from one side of the bed to the other) most of my Creality machines are unrecognisable from their original form having been more or less rebuilt with better quality parts. I sacked Creality long before the Bambu Lab X1 was released, I built a Pro 3D V-King 400 using the very best quality self sourced parts, it cost me a small fortune in shipping alone but I ended up with an awesome machine! a printer Creality could only dream of and even then they would have produced a nightmare for the people that bought it.
Yup my first printer was a creality Cr 6....Swapped that out after 2 years of constant tinkering to get anything to print with any kind of good quality, couldn't use the USB port because there was a risk of having it fry any device that was plugged in because we got notification that the printer wasn't grounded correctly, had the power switch fail after a week of ownership...Moved to Anycubic Vyper and had better luck but still more tinkering than printing...bought a Kobra 2 max and its been collecting dust waiting for a firmware fix for freezing mid print , Now I'm Running a Bambu Lab P1S and I have printed more on this printer since I purchased it this past black friday than any of my previous printers combined...I will never look back
I guess if you need the build volume then yes, the K1. I just done with tinkering, I want to focus more on what it is I’m making than the printer which the Bambú does for me. Now I just dive down into CAD and design stuff. I’ve inspired more people to get 3D printers because of what I make.
@@TwoMooseDesign Nice, I think the new iPad Pro is due around April this year. I’ve been wanting to try Nomad, but I might hold off for the new iPad. I checked out Shapr3D and it looks pretty awesome. Might try that instead of Fusion, since Fusion comes with stipulations. I’ve taken up sculpting in Blender, but I really like the simplicity of Nomad.
I have 3 bambo printers that print 24-7 - They have proven to be very reliable - they just work - no hassle no fuss - great printers. I'm personally never using any other brand again. They are that good.... and I've been doing this 10+ years now. The only failure so far was a camera and they covered it under warranty. I told them I use them as commercial printers.... they still covered it... talking about a good experience. I'm sold! customer for life
To me another issue for creality slicer is the camera. It is very hard to get the camera into place since you can’t pan and the point where the camera orbits either doesn’t move or goes somewhere out of the ordinary.
I've read that the mesh bed leveling isn't the problem but rather the bed is not square and needs to be trammed. The bed leveling logic adds gcode to compensate for an out of level situation but if the bed leveling is too far off then the mesh logic cannot compensate. I had this exact issue with my Prusa Mini. I read many other people with the K1 Max are having this issue and added bed leveling screws to manually tram the bed
Early X1 models had the same problem. Some of the heat beds were severely warped and the bed leveling couldn't fully compensate. On the K1 max, with the larger bed, the bed is more likely to warp, and as you print higher temperature materials, the warping increases.
I had the same problem with supports as well. What i found (Im not sure if youre doing this or not) was that there are two locations for supports within the creality print. The automatic runs into the issue you mentioned. The other support options are burried in the configuration menu. You also have to select "advanced settings" to be able to dial in your supports. Also, if you enable supprts this way, make sure you dont have automatic supports turned on, otherwise the software will default to automatic supports. We have a k1 max at school and Im still learning the ins and outs of the software.
given the look of the leveling map you showed in this video, I would recommend going through the k1 max's hardware leveling procedure which involves removing the bottom cover of the machine, undoing the belt that connects the 3 leadscrews, installing the screws that came with the printer to lock the build plate in place to the bottom of the printer's chamber, and then installing the belt again. theoretically this should give you a significantly improved level - that combined with the mesh bed leveling routine at the beginning of the print, and you should get much better first layers. I did this with my machine and there are youtube videos out there that walk you through the process.
the big benefit to Bam bu is that AMS. I mean, multicolor changes the dynamic of what's possible. so cool. Also, I printed an AMS riser for the X1C and it raises the glass about an inch, which really helps the boden tube rubbing the top on the Bambu.
Hey! If you’re using a Bambu do the pressure advance calibration. You can also try lowering the max volumetric flow rate a touch, if a filament is kicking your but throw it in a dryer and try again.
I gave up on creality slicer, I just had too many issues with it even with creality filament. Switched to orca and I love it. The creality slicer seems to work great for some, just personal preference most likely.
You def did. I was dumb & bought the P1S by itself, then the AMS 2 weeks later so paid the full $350 for it. Still worth it though, been printing non-stop for weeks with zero issues out of the box. Only thing I had to mod was adding 200mm PLA rings around my Esun cardboard spools bc the AMS couldn’t spin them very well.
I have a Creality Ender 6 (250 x 250 x 400) and it has adhesion issues. I've very consistent with preparation of the plate and maintaining print bed temperature, but parts will occasionally either fail to adhere to the build plate or bond so well that it is nearly impossible to remove them. Perhaps it is caused by variation in the extruder temperature.
been an X1C owner for about a year now and owned multiple other printers over the years. I recently was able to pick up a DESTROYED K1 Max... had the huge blob that covered the entire toolhead for very cheap. Now I've had to put a bunch of time and parts at it, but it prints pretty good. It is not as fast as the bambu and the quality is not as good but it's a nice printer and I'm glad to have it in my stable for large jobs with multiple parts or just large parts. I do find that the Creality is LOUD though. Maybe if I had a cooler plate that didn't require 60c then I could keep it all closed in. Something to keep the chamber cooler. problem is, I really like the textured plate.
@@db8094 soldering iron, side cutters, needle nose pliers, and a ton of patience and persistence. Expect you will have parts that are now failed. Look for broken wires first and then move on to burnt or removed chips and traces. The hot end is like 30 dollars, maybe start with that. Mine was totally wrecked and I replaced that but had already had the intention of that so I had it with me
I'm an agreement with your overall conclusion. However I feel that the expectation that a lot of us have to do a significant amount of tweaking and tuning on your printer to get it to work well is flawed. Especially With people new to the hobby having an extremely steep and time-consuming learning curve. Let's be honest, very few companies have made significant improvements in 3D printing over the past 5 years until Bambu entered the market late last year. Now everyone is scrambling to catch up and we have some decent entries. Bamboo has unequivocally proven that the steep time consuming learning curve is not necessary with expensive and very inexpensive machines that are extremely effective out of the box for absolute newbies. I am not a newbie to 3D printing. I have worked with many in the past and have several of my own now. The K1 Max was an absolute nightmare. Whoever tested it completely clogged the nozzle to the point where I could not load it ( Even after heating it up to 50° past the max temperature it required and trying to push hard filament through). I had to take the whole hot end apart (in terms of difficulty of hot ends this was one of the most time-consuming I've ever had to take apart and then ultimately reassemble in my life). I hate to say it but I actually gave up. My K1 Max is completely packed up and ready to return. I did not get a single print out of it. My Bambu labs X1C and my Bambu A1 mini were the easiest printers I have ever used in my life. That includes printing with multiple colors and loading multiple spools on them for either individual multicolor prints or prints with multiple pieces of different colors. I think as a community to include content creators we need to expect more from these larger mainstream 3D printing companies. Some of them have done nothing but make a lot of money off a brand name while giving us very little in terms of upgrades or improvements for many years. There are many issues with the K1 Max that have not yet been resolved. The filament trail, the location of the filament, the angle of the filament being loaded into the hot end, these were all deal breakers that needed to be resolved before using the printer. I will admit that if my hot end hadn't been completely clogged by what I assume was an incompetent tester (and this was not the first time and Creality is not the only culprit) I most likely would have worked my way through all these issues as the K1 Max represents the pinnacle of the printer I've been looking for from the day I was first interested in 3D printing. The K1 Max may one day be the best 3D printer, but as it stands right now it still has many issues to work out in comparison to any of Bambu labs printers. Unless you want to spend a lot of time with the printer doing upgrades and tweaks I would strongly recommend waiting until Creality works all the kinks out or somebody else comes out with a similar printer that works out of the box without a bunch of upgrades and tweaks. My hope is that bamboo will now focus on a larger format printer.
I think you just sold it to me. The tweaking element has kept me away from these, likely because I'm an engineer who will obsess more over tinkering than actual printing but it's the printing and 3D designing I want to spend my time learning.
I was on the fence between the k1c and the p1s. At the. My best experience I had previously was printing with an old XYZ machine. And I've been messing around trying to upgrade and fix crappy machines ever since. I decided I'm done with the printer being the project. I bought the bambu and I couldn't be happier. It just works. I click print and my part is there a couple hours later. Buy once cry once. Don't make my mistake and think you can make an inferior machines work well. The price difference isn't that much and it will save you 100s of hours of frustration.
I have the K1 Max and don't regret the decision at all, only thing that lets it down is the slicer. K1 owners should give Orca Slicer a go, the K1 profile is fairly solid now. Orca Slicer is a fork or Bambu's slicer with profiles for heaps of different brands of printers.
That’s the one I want! lol I’ll download it tomorrow and play around. And yeah I have no major complaints with the K1 Max it lived upto my expectations.
@@TwoMooseDesign if you're ok with enabling root access and installing fluidd or mainsail you can also use the device tab in orca slicer to send jobs directly over wifi just like creality's slicer.
5:12 That is simply a PTFE tube, you call a BOWDEN system when the motor pushes de filament through a long PTFE tube from behind, up to the nozzle, other wise is called a DIRECT DRIVE, when the motor is slightly on top of the heat break and fans, and it pushes de filament into the nozzle, but it does not need a PTFE tube in the middle.
Orca slicer must! One big reason better than Bambu is one feature missing, that is.. Generate perimeter on overhang... Must try this for support regions.
Great video. I would love to see you trying to print the same helmet on the Bambu by cutting it in pieces and goring them together. A final finishing work on the glued parts world be awesome to learn with you
I got a k1 max too and given the video title i'm assuming we are printing very different things. The bed warps a lot so there are things you can never print with it. I can not use more than 60% of the bed. You also have to be very careful to make sure you never, ever, EVER cause the lead screws to skip the belt or the warping might get way worse (speaking from experience). The crooked bed is just too much for S tier.
I also have a K1 max printer I just bought it and thank you for the information. The product you made for the glass at the top is very good, can you please send me a file of it or is it on your website. Thank you.
I just got the k1 max and I hate the slicer that comes with it. You can’t navigate with the mouse other than using the box which you can only click on to look at what you are printing. There’s a couple things that I want to try like the mold setting but other than that I always use Bambu slicer and it works awesome. As for upgrading the k1 max I installed the new hot end from Micro Swiss which when I ordered it they didn’t have different sizes nozzles but now they have them in stock. They claim you don’t have to heat it up to swoop it out but I haven’t tried it yet.
Thanks for confirming my opinion of never buying another creality after my last two are lack-lustre and faaaaaaaaar more fiddly. My new X1C is AMAZING and flawless out of the box... for a few more dollars, I can spend my valuable time doing a whole lot of anything-but-tinkering-with-print-settings to try and get them to still look worse than a Bambu.
I have the A1 mini and thus use the bambu slicer. There are printer profiles for Bambu printers that can be used in Cura but Cura doesn't support the Bambu AMS and limits to 1 spool prints. I too had supports sticking out above the object from Bambu slicer. Not sure how to adjust that.
Weird in mine the Bambi auto supports work great. Maybe try tree supports 🤔 the A1 looked like it had good reviews. Personally haven’t used one my self but seems to be a great entry level set up
Try going into your support category and search for “Threshold Angle” and reduce that number until you get support where you want but not where you don’t. I’m using Orca but is very similar to the slicer you’re using. If this doesn’t work help I would change to tree supports and adjust that number.
I'm returning my k1 max. 4 days into owning the max it dug a massive hole in the build plate after an auto bed level and lidar scan. This ruined the nozzle and hotend as well as the build plate. So I replaced hotend, nozzle and build plate and before I could even start the first print it threw an error code 111 which appears to be a main board or print head board failure. I'm guessing that the board failure is what caused the initial bed crash. Anyway it appears that some people get good ones, and some people like me get shipped a lemon. Support was terrible.
I will just say this. 6 months ago I was totally new to 3d printing. I decided to buy an x1c and my first one did experience a bizarre failure where it crashed and the microlidar failed (though it kept printing perfectly anyway). Bambu replaced my machine within a few weeks and my replacement machine has worked perfectly ever since. Even despite the micro LIDAR failure, both machines just worked when it came to printing items, and I'm very happy I went with bambu. They are phenomenal machines!
@@TwoMooseDesign thanks, I meant is there any options for Bambu for larger print? Bambu seems the best but no larger option I believe apart from the rumours of a new larger model, but no dates for that yet. Thanks
I have a X1C but my finnsih is nowhere near that good. Along the long straights i have some annoying artifacts. What settings have you used for the black boxes? What firmwere is your bambu running?
1. Orca Slicer for the K1 and the Bamboo. It´s like the Bambu slicer so you have a comparable experience for both this way and the slicer is just good. 2. Bambu print quality is a little better, bed mesh is better too, the bed is also a little smaller so it´s easier to get a smaller bed straight but even the smaller K1 has a worse level quality. 3. Creality is a lot cheaper though so...
Creality is available in India for almost the same price. Bambu lab printers on the other hand cost 3x of the MRP. Bambu needs to figure out the worldwide shipping issues
I’ve been running it per their recommendation of 200mm/s the hyper runs at 300mm/s. I’ve read people in the facebook group running sunlu pla + at that speed with no problems. I typically run regular pla but just got some plus to try.
debating between those 2 printers. I like the bambu due to the mulit-color filament setup. Does the K1 support multi-color or are we still waiting for the upgrade?
I bought 2 creality Sermoon D1s brand new. They were horrible, main boards went out twice on both. Fast forward to buying a P1S the shit is crazy how it prints without the tinker.
Bambu is hard to compete with! They make some great printers. If people have the budget I typically recommend the p1s with an AMS. Some people also hate Bambu as its closed source.
Great review. Thank you. I purchased the K1 Max as it has a bigger build size and the price in Canada was CA$1,150.11 after taxes with K1 Max + Hyper PLA*2 + Nozzle kit + Smooth and textured PEI Build Plate. The Bambu would have been close to 1500 or more. On thing on your video you mentioned tweaks that you made. Might I suggest that you indicate what the tweaks were to get to your final results. This would greatly help others trying for those great prints. Also not sure if either printers were actually bought by you or sponsored by either companies.
Thanks! The machine loves the hyper pla. I’ll definitely include more info on tweaks on future videos. Mainly all I change is pressure advance, flow, and temp. In the creality software there is a calibration drop down. I purchased the Bambu like a year ago and the K1 max was sent to me with no stipulations from creality. No contracts or pay just the printer. Appreciate you watching 😁
Great video. I almost fell in love with K1 Max. But then this video showed me "her" different sides. I own ender 3 pro and cr-10v3 and I'm really tired of 3d printer maintenance.
@@ZERONEINNOVATIONS same. If bambu had a 300x300 bed i would be buying that. but my brother owns a standard k1 and i understand its issues well enough that a K! max wont phase me. I just need the bigger bed. really wish it had an AMS option though.
I personally haven’t used one so I can’t say. I have a few friends who are huge prusa fans. Prusa seems to have a good reputation, if that’s the printer you’re interested in I’d say it’s probably a pretty good option.
Cripes, I wouldn'it buy a Prusa. They are far behind in developing new features, etc. I owned an i3 Mk3s and it was "ok", but it is really a tinkerer's machine. I have a Voron 2.4r and operate Ultimakers at work. We just bought a Bambu X1 Carbon with AMS at work. We unboxed it at 1:30pm and by 2:30 we were printing. It is amazing. I am seriously considering getting a Bambu for myself now.
I’m a beginner. Less that 600 print hours. Had a learning curve when I got my XC1. Had a few issues in the beginning that were my fault but after that I just hit print and I get great results that generally exceed my expectations. I have zero regrets buying the XC1. Zero.
@@TwoMooseDesign yea I agree I have a cr10 that no matter what I do I can’t get it to print , this k1 max has performed flawless for me so far (about 10 prints , 100 hrs or so) I am ordering a x1c on Wednesday though so I’m excited to run both
bonsoi sorry to go off topic, can you give me the address where you bought your metal shelf @1min22s on video, I can't find a structure like that. Thanks, always good video.
To me it looks like the standard “industrial freestanding shelving” from Home Depot or Lowe’s. I have that similar shelf & I bought it from Home Depot.
Good morning, congratulations on the videos, I take the opportunity to ask for advice. I'd like to upgrade my printer, and I'm undecided between these two models. Creality k1 max, or a Bambulab p1s. Or if you have anything else to recommend to me. Thanks in advance!
This video was/is very helpful.... Totally ignorant to all of this..researching for a bday/holiday gift for son. He's wanting a printer to do small car parts...any recommendations from anyone? He drives a 20 yr old truck & finding it difficult to replace items....he's of course wating to do other things with the printer, but trying to find something for what he's truly wanting this for. Also it's his first printer. Suggestions? Help
It seems like you took a new k1 and compared it to your tried and true bambu. I can see the better results in the bambu but I am left wondering if the k1 can be tweaked to be as good. It seems like you left k1 tweaks out of equation in final analysis, or are they that minor?
People do buy aftermarket extruders and it does print well with the hyper pla and can print faster than generic PLA. Over all I think it’s a cheaper version of Bambu. Bambu is hard to compete with and you definitely pay for it.
@@clbmurat yeah, it doesn’t take all that long to run a couple tests/ calibrations if you’ve been printing for a bit. It can be a bit of a struggle for someone who hasn’t owned a printer before.
I actually bought the K1 Max on sale for $511.... BUT, I'm considering returning it and getting the Bambu Lab A1 instead. Size difference isn't an issue for me. And i just don't like the idea of having to tinker with it just to get it to print. That and I didn't find the reviews for the K1 Max very reassuring...
@@mixmastermantas6841 between the k1 max and the p1s, the p1s is the best out of box experience and the best out of box print quality, but the software is closed source and you can't really customize it all that much. the k1 max uses klipper, offers you the ability to root it right from the main menu, and the community has provided an installer script that makes installation of mainsail or fluidd, kamp, etc. and it's really easy to modify the way it works. there's a bit more maintenence, but you can make it work the way you want... also the k1 max is 300^3 whereas the p1s is 256^3 which sounds close, but the extra build volume can certainly come in handy with some models (especially if you print larger things like helmets, big cases, props, etc.) you CAN print a ton of stuff in 256^3, but it really depends on what you want out out of it.... also the p1s's camera SUUUCKS whereas the k1 max's camera is actually quite serviceable for remote monitoring. they both have their strengths and weaknesses and I use them both regularly, it all depends on what you want to do... oh, and the p1s has the option of the bambu AMS multimaterial system if you want to do multicolor or multimaterial prints, it's quite convenient (even if you just load it up with your most used colors so you don't have to get up and swap out filaments all the time). there ARE some mmus that are compatible with klipper and thus the k1 max, but I haven't looked deeply into that. if you have the budget, and you like to build things, something like a voron trident or voron v2 kit are WAY better printers, or if you wanted something pre-built, one of the derivatives like a sovol sv08 (get the enclosure), or a one of the troodon models would be great too. I personally have a self-built (from an ldo kit) voron v2 (that's my workhorse), a self-built voron v0 (not really recommended unless you want to rapid prototype small things, it's a 120^3 printer but it's STUPID fast to heat up and STUPID fast to print), the p1s, and the k1 max. they all have something unique to contribute, and again, it depends on what you want to print.
I have a K1 Max and p1S Bambu. It isn't even close. Bambu almost always works. When it doesn't, it's software to self calibrate, level, etc. works perfect. The K1 bed is generally warped. The hot end needs upgreaded to a unicorn, and it just generally clogs more often. I like the K1, however, it doesn't compare to the Bambu P1s.
I have 2 creality printers 5 plus and an ender 3 v2. While they both are decent I have to always play and adjust them or upgrade. I bought a X1C over a year ago and the 2nd one 8 months later. I have had failures printing but for the few times it happens, its an easy fix. Bambu Labs are the reason that everyone has fast ptinting now. I will stick with the Bambu Labs since they just work. Sure the Creality is a bit bigger but it won't be long before Bambu comes out with a bigger one.
Bambu’s require little tinkering/calibrating. Other manufacturers of 3d printing recently have rushed products to the market. Creality, Elegoo and Sovol to name a few. They are letting the end user find all the errors with firmware, etc. Bambu has delayed their new printer. Hopefully it is to make it a solid machine from the start. Although, i’m sure it will come with a premium price. If they don’t come out with a bigger build volume printer, they will be missing out on a big market. Qidi Plus 4 looks promising. We will have to see how the K2 Max turns out. Haven’t decided if i want to tackle building a larger volume Voron. I know the idea is you can pick and choose your components but would be nice if you could buy a finished product with little assembly.
The Bambu P1S is my most recent purchase (a few days ago) my Ender is now in the attic to stay! I'll never buy an Ender anything after all the headaches it caused, wasted time, clogs, failures, more spaghetti than an Italian restaurant has ever seen . I just hope this lawsuit doesn't take Bambu out! Or cause any harm to the customer 😮
I’ve had the Bambu A1 for a couple of weeks now and probably my 6th printer over the years. This is hands down the best one I’ve ever had. No tinkering and just works right out the box. This video is clickbait if you don’t realise the value in their printers.
So I have a bambu farm after moving away from a prusa farm. My mate bought a K1 max to try save some coin over a bambu. well after days of trying to get the K1 to print without uneven or under extrusion and no amount of tuning worked he ended up flashing klipper on it. it now works ok but not as good as the bambu. Not worth a very slight saving.
I’ll probably do a video comparing the 3. The Qidi is about $900 and is larger than both of them. It also has a heated chamber so I can print harder to print filaments a little easier. I don’t have much time only that one as I’ve been focusing on the K1 Max. But seems good so far
@@TwoMooseDesign yeah size and heated chamber are two important factors for me. I do have some concerns with Bambu labs rails over time. Being they aren’t really something easily replaced I’m kind of hesitant to get one.
@@TwoMooseDesign true it’s not bad. I’m mostly familiar with linear rails where you just need to clean and lube them and cost less but I will agree that’s not as bas as I imagined. But that does end up on the landfill.
Links to printers and filament in description!
I'm in the market for one of these printers, and was leaning towards Bambu before this video. I currently have 3 Creality printers. After watching this video, I'm convinced, I'm going Bambu X1
Great video!!
Bambu is definitely on top of the game. K1 is a good printer especially if you can get it on sale but definitely requires more tinkering. If I was looking to spend around $1000 I’d buy a Bambu
My friend bought a p1s about a month ago, and received my K1 max just this weekend. I’ve been using Creality machines for about two years now and I can say other than build volume the Bambu machine is just better… not that I dislike my machine, I’ve already had issued with mine, ie parts missing, extruded clogging, print oddities, and more. While my buddy has had almost no issue at all with his bambu. I’ve had more issues with my K1 than he has had with his P1S this weekend than he has had in his month of ownership… still a nice machine and if Creality comes out with a multi filament system I think they will be much more comparable to those machines at that point.
That’s pretty much how I feel. K1 is a good machine they just missed the mark on a few things and my Bambu just works
@@TwoMooseDesign definitely. It doesn’t help Creality left out some parts out of my printer and UPS delivered all of my extra parts(build plate, and sonic pad) to someone else’s house.
my buddy has 2 bamboos, they will nozel clog on some filaments, they both HATE 2 brands of silk filiments he as that both print flawlessly with both the FLSUN v400 and t1, where as hes never had the v400 clog and the t1 stopped having issues when he changed to a better nozel the he had installed when he got it, hes not sure he used the one it came with but either way after we looked at it once it was cleaned off, you could see it was deformed/warped/flawed so... it got drilled out to a large bore and put on his super racer for stuff his wife prints that she uses "thicccc" nozels for..
and this guys got a stack of printers because his company pays him to both test them and tell them what to buy for specific jobs, hes both sent unites by work and by suppliers and companies directly, hes got a t1 and s1 because they sent them to him to test, and both got several units ordered after testing, bamboo they have a few of but have had to rebuild the AMS due to the same slot going out on them all within months of use, think he said it was slot 3.. either way, he says all the "major brands" and well know brands seem to have their up sides and down sides, the one thing he keeps saying though, the best exp hes had with a 'build from box' printer has been FLSUN Delta printers, and his first prusa was a genuinely horrible experience, missing parts, extra parts, i mean they got it sorted and once he re-built the thing 2x and got it all sorted out, its still a very solid printer quite a few years later, but, it was a nightmare to get up and running originally...
his worst exp was a creality product though, but he does say despite support being a bit slow they did stand behind the unit and sent him what he needed to get it working, as well as some extra stuff to make up for the problems(a couple bed sheets and minor upgrades to the unit), he also had a very good exp with one they sent him free fully built, that ended up at the company along side the 3 they could order doing prints in an annoying filiment that is tetchy to use on most printers but... creality actually sent them an update for the control unit that added a profile for that specific type of tetcy filiment, the prints have to run at 1/2 speed and at temps that burn out the stock heads on most other printers... or thats what im told..
the v400 and T1 im told are both great if AMS isnt a concern offer better value, his best print so far was an iron man helmet designed for his actual head.. and it too 2 tries.. first one wouldnt fit over his ears LOL.. 2nd one he made from some fairly stuff flexible stuff that came out amazing.. even the print in place joints for the face plate work.. his wife painted it.. like war machine just to piss him off LOL
oh and there are things he loves about the bamboo labs printers, but they do have potential issues, like slots on the AMS that are prone to fail and need user rebuilt if you want a long term solution..
he says they are great for multi filiment prints, not as good as a modified v400 they have thats print head takes 6 filaments using a coprint module, that he says actually works amazingly well according to my buddy and his daughter who does alot of fine tuning or him on the new devices and filaments..
he does say, regardless of what they both tried..that silk shit just will not print successfully on the bamboo printers for some reason... but will even print successfully with his old neptune 2...
he also says bamboo only gave him good support when he used his company email address to contact them... rather then the one he ordered the test units from...
@@AshenTech I commend your use of paragraphs, but, next time, please throw in some punctuation other than commas and quotation marks. Caps at the beginning of sentences would also be nice, but I'd settle for just actual sentences. It seemed like you might have had something interesting to say, but I quit after the third paragraph because I just couldn't understand what I was reading and was getting a headache from it. I'm a tech writer, so reading tech stuff is my bread and butter. Just couldn't do it here.
Bambu slicer (BambuStudio) is not based on Cura. It is based a fork of PrusaSlicer which is a fork of Slic3r.
Exactly, it's a copy of Prusa
Exactly, it's a copy of Slic3r
So that said have you tried running the K1 with the Bambu slicer?
@@williamhadley1580 I use Orca which has been great, just select the K1 Max profile. Bambu is gonna be a bit more click print and go, but the K1 Max has been very close in terms of click and go to my P1S for over a year now.
@@5ANDW1CHES I think you will be suprised how slic3r really looks and you will realize, that it is not a copy.
BambuLab has blown up in popularity for a good reason. They're better in every single way.
they are great printers for sure! Defiantly changed the game and made everyone step it up!
I just wish they were cheaper
Apart from build size.
@soupismgaming7546 You can get the Mini for $199 and get great prints every time! Or pay $100 more and get the 256mm cubed build area A1 which is just as good!
Closed source isn’t better
Bambu printers just work, and that's that. Creality printers have to be tinkered and maintained to even try to be performed on the level of an out of box p1p. Not to mention that bambu has the X1c is faster has better features and can have an ams attached to it. If anything, this is the end of creality.
I agree, I really wish it wasn’t so rushed it had potential. I still think it’s pretty good it you’re right on on the tinkering. Thanks for stopping by I appreciate it 👊🏼
@@TwoMooseDesign thanks your reviews are 👍
Half true.. you have to mainain every machine for it to work great. X1c is not faster, i work with them every day and the k1 max is faster and prity significantly. Ams ok. Well not everyone need or want. Its all about what you want and need for example i need that 300mm³ build volume so bambu is no match for creality. In my personal opinion its only about that k1 max cost 1/2 the price of x1c and that it is much bigger, i get that people just want to compare them but they are machines for different use.
@hauntycz5191 I see what you're saying, but comparing the two machines is like comparing night and day. The k1 was rushed and not ready, while the X1c, while being more expensive, was carefully thought out and come with all the bells and whistles. Right now, there's nothing really like the ams on the market except prusas version. So I will have to politely disagree. The ams is amazing. k1 may be a hair faster, but the print quality is okay at best. Any bambu printer works straight out of the box.
Very accurate. I have invested more time tinkering than printing on creality.
I got a P1P and did the P1S encloser upgrade and I pretty much just click print and it does the magic it does. My advice for cleaner prints is to turn off all the fans except for the parts fan. Works great.
Thanks for the tip!
this also work on X1C?
Just ordered my P1S. This video, along with many other reviews, were really helpful. Thanks!
P1s is a great choice! It thanks for watching
I have been absolutely loving 3d printing, what kind of 3d printer videos would you be interested in in the future?
This is a solid review! Much appreciated!
Would love to see you compare the Qidi to the K1, or do a comparison of all 3! I am torn between these 3 and it looks like you did what I wish I could do - buy them all 😂
Currently the K1 Max is $700 and X1C is $1200 at my local micro center, which has me leaning towards the K1 as I don’t mind a little tinkering to save $500.
@@albinorhino103solid answer 😊
K2 vs x1 (Title idea: Creality’s comeback?)
I've been using Orca Slicer also with the K1 Max, and it's been great! I have V3 and it still came with the glass top btw. Great video
Thanks I’ll definitely try it and I’ve been seeing ones with the new lid in the facebook group, must be the new model 🤷🏼♂️
I have an Ender 3 S1 Pro. It’s my first printer. I’ve been considering the Bambu X1, and then I saw the K1 Max. The ability to do multicolored prints with the Bambu, is a huge advantage. I think, if Creality can design a similar set up, and take their time ensuring it works, they’d have a better chance of competing. Thank you for this comparison. I think it’ll be worth the extra money for more options, and less hassle.
I 100% agree. One of these other companies need to come out with a multi color unit like the AMS
I’m honestly surprised Creality hasn’t designed one. Single color is fine, when someone is just starting out, but once you’ve been at it for a while, being able to seamlessly print in multiple colors becomes extremely appealing. I bought the Sonic Pad, and love it. If they had a multi-filament add on, that could integrate with the Sonic Pad, I believe they’d have a home run.
Yeah I thought they would have too. I’m curious if Bambu has some sort of patent.
I picked up a k1 a few weeks ago. For the money I am very impressed. But in my case I didn't mind modding it a bit. I rooted mine, shimmed the bed, printed a top cover and designed a door seal. I also only use orca slicer. That is the best one in my opinion and works via wifi etc. And just a heads up Bambu slicer is a clone of prusia slicer and not cura. Thanks for the review
I will definitely tinker with it, just didn’t feel like it was fair to do a review with mods. And thanks I’ll definitely check that out.
@@TwoMooseDesignthanks. And when or if you do root yours and install stock klipper it will help with the ghosting as creality chose to cut some corners and used the x imput shaper numbers twice to save time. And that make no sense. Once you root it will fix that. Now as for the zits. It is due to the z seam. You must have chosen random and not aligned. And yes pressure advance also will help a lot. It is a shame creality didn't spend a bit more time tunning it.
@@Andre_M_3D thank you I appreciate the tips! Always learning, I think it’s a good printer but if they would of spent more time testing It could have been more competitive with the Bambu, it’s also a lot cheaper especially if you can get it on sale. Pick your battles I guess lol
So to answer the title question, No, the Bambu is the best
Time saver ❤
Do you have either of these printers? If so what do you think? Overall the x1c was super easy to learn on and is a powerhouse! The K1 Max is also great for the price, it’s been pretty good just a little sensitive.
I've got the X1C, and it was / is still amazing, but after a lot of tinkering. I still have a LIDAR fault after this most recent firmware update and have got no response from my ticket I submitted 9 days ago. So I wouldn't recommend bambu at the moment maybe if they improve the customer support, but they have been saying that since before July.
I have the X1 Carbon and Snapmaker J1... both great printers but size is a limitation. Had to re-do a couple of models to fit on the X1 and would have worked perfectly on the K1 Max no doubt. Quick question... did you print in PLA and if so, what did you use to glue in the magnets?
@@michaelfowler603 dang that sucks, luckily I haven’t had to contact support with mine
@@dholi2k hey! I use pla like 98% of the time and I just used super glue, the holes are pretty tight to begin with and I used a pliers to press them in. I’ve also had some fun imbedding the magnets and the machine prints over them
i have K1 Max for a few weeks now, i love it! i have the printer and the ferret pro for €900 and 6 rolls of petg from crealty. total of €1000.
And the best news is that the cfs will also be available for K1 Max 😀
I have an X1C but I dont have a K1 Max but I do have 7 other Creality printers.
I did not even consider getting the K1 Max as every Creality printer I have bought has had issues that I have had to fix myself and from what I have seen the K1 Max is no different.
Apart from having to print a few parts to get rid of sharp Bowden tube angles on the AMS I have had no issues with my X1 Carbon!
BTW Bambu Studio is a fork of Prusa Slicer not Cura!
Love my X1C, the AMS is wonderful. Right away when they launched them it sounded like it was a gamble on if it would work properly or not. Hopefully they cleared up most of those problems, mine definitely surpassed my expectations but the Bambu is a pretty high standard haha
Same thing happens with the AMS as is the case with every single Creality product. yOu jUsT haVe to mOd iT. PTFE guides and you'll never error on the AMS retractions. The difference being here one is an addon, the other requires mods to the base product to function at all though.
@@probably3dprintingsomething I did mention in my comment that the only thing I had to address was the AMS Bowden tube angles which I solved by printing some brackets.
My point was that all the Creality machines I have bought have come with issues and some of them major, I got sick of having to fix printers I paid good money for, IMO I made the right decision in not buying a K1 Max, the K1's are on their third extruder, the beds are like ski slopes (one poster on Reddit had a 1.4mm difference from one side of the bed to the other) most of my Creality machines are unrecognisable from their original form having been more or less rebuilt with better quality parts.
I sacked Creality long before the Bambu Lab X1 was released, I built a Pro 3D V-King 400 using the very best quality self sourced parts, it cost me a small fortune in shipping alone but I ended up with an awesome machine! a printer Creality could only dream of and even then they would have produced a nightmare for the people that bought it.
Yup my first printer was a creality Cr 6....Swapped that out after 2 years of constant tinkering to get anything to print with any kind of good quality, couldn't use the USB port because there was a risk of having it fry any device that was plugged in because we got notification that the printer wasn't grounded correctly, had the power switch fail after a week of ownership...Moved to Anycubic Vyper and had better luck but still more tinkering than printing...bought a Kobra 2 max and its been collecting dust waiting for a firmware fix for freezing mid print , Now I'm Running a Bambu Lab P1S and I have printed more on this printer since I purchased it this past black friday than any of my previous printers combined...I will never look back
and trust me, i have X1C andK1 - do not recommend the K1 to enyone! same as all other creality printers. more mass production that quality
You're being so lenient and graceful with the K1 Max hahah. Probably given the price point lol.
I guess if you need the build volume then yes, the K1. I just done with tinkering, I want to focus more on what it is I’m making than the printer which the Bambú does for me. Now I just dive down into CAD and design stuff. I’ve inspired more people to get 3D printers because of what I make.
That’s awesome! And for design I like shapr3d and nomad sculpt 👊🏼👊🏼
@@TwoMooseDesign Nice, I think the new iPad Pro is due around April this year. I’ve been wanting to try Nomad, but I might hold off for the new iPad. I checked out Shapr3D and it looks pretty awesome. Might try that instead of Fusion, since Fusion comes with stipulations. I’ve taken up sculpting in Blender, but I really like the simplicity of Nomad.
I have 3 bambo printers that print 24-7 - They have proven to be very reliable - they just work - no hassle no fuss - great printers. I'm personally never using any other brand again. They are that good.... and I've been doing this 10+ years now. The only failure so far was a camera and they covered it under warranty. I told them I use them as commercial printers.... they still covered it... talking about a good experience. I'm sold! customer for life
To me another issue for creality slicer is the camera. It is very hard to get the camera into place since you can’t pan and the point where the camera orbits either doesn’t move or goes somewhere out of the ordinary.
I've read that the mesh bed leveling isn't the problem but rather the bed is not square and needs to be trammed. The bed leveling logic adds gcode to compensate for an out of level situation but if the bed leveling is too far off then the mesh logic cannot compensate. I had this exact issue with my Prusa Mini. I read many other people with the K1 Max are having this issue and added bed leveling screws to manually tram the bed
Early X1 models had the same problem. Some of the heat beds were severely warped and the bed leveling couldn't fully compensate. On the K1 max, with the larger bed, the bed is more likely to warp, and as you print higher temperature materials, the warping increases.
I had the same problem with supports as well. What i found (Im not sure if youre doing this or not) was that there are two locations for supports within the creality print. The automatic runs into the issue you mentioned. The other support options are burried in the configuration menu. You also have to select "advanced settings" to be able to dial in your supports. Also, if you enable supprts this way, make sure you dont have automatic supports turned on, otherwise the software will default to automatic supports. We have a k1 max at school and Im still learning the ins and outs of the software.
Thanks for the tip! I’ll check it out
given the look of the leveling map you showed in this video, I would recommend going through the k1 max's hardware leveling procedure which involves removing the bottom cover of the machine, undoing the belt that connects the 3 leadscrews, installing the screws that came with the printer to lock the build plate in place to the bottom of the printer's chamber, and then installing the belt again. theoretically this should give you a significantly improved level - that combined with the mesh bed leveling routine at the beginning of the print, and you should get much better first layers. I did this with my machine and there are youtube videos out there that walk you through the process.
First time I see a PLA printed soooo smoothly!
Can you share what you tweaked (if you remember, of course) :)
I'm about to order my P1S! :)
the big benefit to Bam
bu is that AMS. I mean, multicolor changes the dynamic of what's possible. so cool. Also, I printed an AMS riser for the X1C and it raises the glass about an inch, which really helps the boden tube rubbing the top on the Bambu.
Love to know what you tweaked to get the beautiful wall finish on the Bambu black box at17:30
Hey! If you’re using a Bambu do the pressure advance calibration. You can also try lowering the max volumetric flow rate a touch, if a filament is kicking your but throw it in a dryer and try again.
@@TwoMooseDesign Thank you!
Excellent review…very well done. Thx man
Creality Slicer is based on Cura, Bambu slicer is based off prusa slicer. which if you are going to use a different slicer, use orca slicer for both.
Thanks for the insight! I’ll download it today and play around
just a thought, have you changed to sunlu filament in the creality slicer? there is an option you can choose to change filament type.
I gave up on creality slicer, I just had too many issues with it even with creality filament. Switched to orca and I love it. The creality slicer seems to work great for some, just personal preference most likely.
question that has nothing to do with this video/kinda, how thick are the walls on the box u made at 17:00 ? 3mm ?
I'm waiting for delivery on my P1S with the AMS, sounds like I made the right choice!
It’s a great machine, you’ll love it. The AMS is great.
You def did. I was dumb & bought the P1S by itself, then the AMS 2 weeks later so paid the full $350 for it. Still worth it though, been printing non-stop for weeks with zero issues out of the box. Only thing I had to mod was adding 200mm PLA rings around my Esun cardboard spools bc the AMS couldn’t spin them very well.
If you’re in the US how long did it take for you to get the p1s after ordering?
@@Hutch_x It was about a week from order confirmation to delivery in the US.
@@Brendan_Myers thanks! Gonna order mind when i get home. Just gotta decide if i want the AMS or not
I have a Creality Ender 6 (250 x 250 x 400) and it has adhesion issues. I've very consistent with preparation of the plate and maintaining print bed temperature, but parts will occasionally either fail to adhere to the build plate or bond so well that it is nearly impossible to remove them. Perhaps it is caused by variation in the extruder temperature.
been an X1C owner for about a year now and owned multiple other printers over the years. I recently was able to pick up a DESTROYED K1 Max... had the huge blob that covered the entire toolhead for very cheap. Now I've had to put a bunch of time and parts at it, but it prints pretty good. It is not as fast as the bambu and the quality is not as good but it's a nice printer and I'm glad to have it in my stable for large jobs with multiple parts or just large parts. I do find that the Creality is LOUD though. Maybe if I had a cooler plate that didn't require 60c then I could keep it all closed in. Something to keep the chamber cooler. problem is, I really like the textured plate.
I actually ended up with this blob! How did you get it back up and running? I got it back together but I get a nozzle error. 😢
@@db8094 soldering iron, side cutters, needle nose pliers, and a ton of patience and persistence. Expect you will have parts that are now failed. Look for broken wires first and then move on to burnt or removed chips and traces. The hot end is like 30 dollars, maybe start with that. Mine was totally wrecked and I replaced that but had already had the intention of that so I had it with me
I'm an agreement with your overall conclusion. However I feel that the expectation that a lot of us have to do a significant amount of tweaking and tuning on your printer to get it to work well is flawed. Especially With people new to the hobby having an extremely steep and time-consuming learning curve.
Let's be honest, very few companies have made significant improvements in 3D printing over the past 5 years until Bambu entered the market late last year. Now everyone is scrambling to catch up and we have some decent entries. Bamboo has unequivocally proven that the steep time consuming learning curve is not necessary with expensive and very inexpensive machines that are extremely effective out of the box for absolute newbies.
I am not a newbie to 3D printing. I have worked with many in the past and have several of my own now.
The K1 Max was an absolute nightmare.
Whoever tested it completely clogged the nozzle to the point where I could not load it ( Even after heating it up to 50° past the max temperature it required and trying to push hard filament through).
I had to take the whole hot end apart (in terms of difficulty of hot ends this was one of the most time-consuming I've ever had to take apart and then ultimately reassemble in my life).
I hate to say it but I actually gave up. My K1 Max is completely packed up and ready to return. I did not get a single print out of it. My Bambu labs X1C and my Bambu A1 mini were the easiest printers I have ever used in my life. That includes printing with multiple colors and loading multiple spools on them for either individual multicolor prints or prints with multiple pieces of different colors.
I think as a community to include content creators we need to expect more from these larger mainstream 3D printing companies. Some of them have done nothing but make a lot of money off a brand name while giving us very little in terms of upgrades or improvements for many years.
There are many issues with the K1 Max that have not yet been resolved. The filament trail, the location of the filament, the angle of the filament being loaded into the hot end, these were all deal breakers that needed to be resolved before using the printer.
I will admit that if my hot end hadn't been completely clogged by what I assume was an incompetent tester (and this was not the first time and Creality is not the only culprit) I most likely would have worked my way through all these issues as the K1 Max represents the pinnacle of the printer I've been looking for from the day I was first interested in 3D printing.
The K1 Max may one day be the best 3D printer, but as it stands right now it still has many issues to work out in comparison to any of Bambu labs printers.
Unless you want to spend a lot of time with the printer doing upgrades and tweaks I would strongly recommend waiting until Creality works all the kinks out or somebody else comes out with a similar printer that works out of the box without a bunch of upgrades and tweaks.
My hope is that bamboo will now focus on a larger format printer.
Well worth the read and agree 100%.
now my neck hurts from all the nodding while reading your wall of text. 100% agree
Maybe use the correct temps.. I've never seen a hot end start at 50... Try 60 and a proper calibration 🙄
I think you just sold it to me. The tweaking element has kept me away from these, likely because I'm an engineer who will obsess more over tinkering than actual printing but it's the printing and 3D designing I want to spend my time learning.
how do you do multi material or color on the Max. It is the only real difference to me in what I buy
You can’t, you’d have to buy a Bambu to do multi color with an AMS.
Thanks for this great video I was asking and looking specially for a comparison between these two!
Thanks for watching 🙏🏼
I was on the fence between the k1c and the p1s. At the. My best experience I had previously was printing with an old XYZ machine. And I've been messing around trying to upgrade and fix crappy machines ever since. I decided I'm done with the printer being the project. I bought the bambu and I couldn't be happier. It just works. I click print and my part is there a couple hours later. Buy once cry once. Don't make my mistake and think you can make an inferior machines work well. The price difference isn't that much and it will save you 100s of hours of frustration.
My Bambu has been great and I’ve had it over a year now
I have the K1 Max and don't regret the decision at all, only thing that lets it down is the slicer. K1 owners should give Orca Slicer a go, the K1 profile is fairly solid now. Orca Slicer is a fork or Bambu's slicer with profiles for heaps of different brands of printers.
That’s the one I want! lol I’ll download it tomorrow and play around. And yeah I have no major complaints with the K1 Max it lived upto my expectations.
@@TwoMooseDesign if you're ok with enabling root access and installing fluidd or mainsail you can also use the device tab in orca slicer to send jobs directly over wifi just like creality's slicer.
Chep used a different slicer with the K1 Max and it drastically changed the print quality.
Oh yeah totally rigged it. The k1 max prints great, it was just that one specific filament. Try a few and one will print awesome with stock settings
5:12 That is simply a PTFE tube, you call a BOWDEN system when the motor pushes de filament through a long PTFE tube from behind, up to the nozzle, other wise is called a DIRECT DRIVE, when the motor is slightly on top of the heat break and fans, and it pushes de filament into the nozzle, but it does not need a PTFE tube in the middle.
Thanks for the correction
Try orcaslicer instead. It‘s the slicer of choice for bambu and creality printers as well as all other printers.
Thank you! I will
I love the hand to point hahaha. Nice touch
Orca slicer must! One big reason better than Bambu is one feature missing, that is.. Generate perimeter on overhang... Must try this for support regions.
I’ll definitely look into that! Thanks for watching 👊🏼👊🏼
Great video as usually!!
Thanks! Appreciate it
Great video. I would love to see you trying to print the same helmet on the Bambu by cutting it in pieces and goring them together. A final finishing work on the glued parts world be awesome to learn with you
Ohh that would be kinda fun!
I got a k1 max too and given the video title i'm assuming we are printing very different things. The bed warps a lot so there are things you can never print with it. I can not use more than 60% of the bed. You also have to be very careful to make sure you never, ever, EVER cause the lead screws to skip the belt or the warping might get way worse (speaking from experience). The crooked bed is just too much for S tier.
I also have a K1 max printer I just bought it and thank you for the information. The product you made for the glass at the top is very good, can you please send me a file of it or is it on your website. Thank you.
Hey! Thanks for watching! It’s not my file, I found it on printables.com for free. Just type in k1 max in search several should come up! 😁
Thank you@@TwoMooseDesign
u get points for being real! Thanks!
Great review!
Thanks!
You can use Bambu slicer with the k1 max. I use it all the time and it works great.
Thanks for letting me know. I’ll try it out tomorrow!
I just got the k1 max and I hate the slicer that comes with it. You can’t navigate with the mouse other than using the box which you can only click on to look at what you are printing. There’s a couple things that I want to try like the mold setting but other than that I always use Bambu slicer and it works awesome. As for upgrading the k1 max I installed the new hot end from Micro Swiss which when I ordered it they didn’t have different sizes nozzles but now they have them in stock. They claim you don’t have to heat it up to swoop it out but I haven’t tried it yet.
I have the K1 and the K1Max and the standard settings in the creality slicer work best for them. You can copy those settings to another slicer
Thanks for confirming my opinion of never buying another creality after my last two are lack-lustre and faaaaaaaaar more fiddly. My new X1C is AMAZING and flawless out of the box... for a few more dollars, I can spend my valuable time doing a whole lot of anything-but-tinkering-with-print-settings to try and get them to still look worse than a Bambu.
I have the A1 mini and thus use the bambu slicer. There are printer profiles for Bambu printers that can be used in Cura but Cura doesn't support the Bambu AMS and limits to 1 spool prints. I too had supports sticking out above the object from Bambu slicer. Not sure how to adjust that.
Weird in mine the Bambi auto supports work great. Maybe try tree supports 🤔 the A1 looked like it had good reviews. Personally haven’t used one my self but seems to be a great entry level set up
Try going into your support category and search for “Threshold Angle” and reduce that number until you get support where you want but not where you don’t. I’m using Orca but is very similar to the slicer you’re using. If this doesn’t work help I would change to tree supports and adjust that number.
I'm returning my k1 max. 4 days into owning the max it dug a massive hole in the build plate after an auto bed level and lidar scan. This ruined the nozzle and hotend as well as the build plate. So I replaced hotend, nozzle and build plate and before I could even start the first print it threw an error code 111 which appears to be a main board or print head board failure. I'm guessing that the board failure is what caused the initial bed crash. Anyway it appears that some people get good ones, and some people like me get shipped a lemon. Support was terrible.
Best advice is to stay TF away from Creality. Terrible printers imo. No two printers are equal and their beds are all warped AF. Nothinf but shïte.
I will just say this.
6 months ago I was totally new to 3d printing.
I decided to buy an x1c and my first one did experience a bizarre failure where it crashed and the microlidar failed (though it kept printing perfectly anyway). Bambu replaced my machine within a few weeks and my replacement machine has worked perfectly ever since.
Even despite the micro LIDAR failure, both machines just worked when it came to printing items, and I'm very happy I went with bambu.
They are phenomenal machines!
So if you need a larger print area what are my options? Bambu only 256, creality is larger. Thanks
K1 Max or qidi x Max 3
@@TwoMooseDesign thanks, I meant is there any options for Bambu for larger print? Bambu seems the best but no larger option I believe apart from the rumours of a new larger model, but no dates for that yet. Thanks
I have a X1C but my finnsih is nowhere near that good. Along the long straights i have some annoying artifacts. What settings have you used for the black boxes? What firmwere is your bambu running?
Run the calibration tests and make sure your filament is dry.
I have 2 x1c and they are great, just need a little more build volume amd they would be even better.
I have the X1C and prints great! I agree wish it was a little larger
1:50. That's quite the fumble to make. It's not based off of Cura, it's based off of PrusaSlicer.
My bad, definitely not an expert on slicers
I have the Bambu x1c. I can't get my texture PEI plate to work, nothing is sticking to it..what was your temp at say for just PLA basic.. no glue
I have mine at 55 and works great. Make sure it’s clean. Maybe do 60 first layer and 55 for the rest and see what happens
is there a way to program or pre set the Temps for different level height?
Mine works great, no glue or hairspray. Way better than the stock gluestick plate. Stock settings.
Clean the bed good with rubbing alcohol. Make sure in the slicer you have it set to textured bed
After you set it to textured bed in the slicer you should be set.
1. Orca Slicer for the K1 and the Bamboo. It´s like the Bambu slicer so you have a comparable experience for both this way and the slicer is just good.
2. Bambu print quality is a little better, bed mesh is better too, the bed is also a little smaller so it´s easier to get a smaller bed straight but even the smaller K1 has a worse level quality.
3. Creality is a lot cheaper though so...
Did you change your support settings to get them to come off so easy? Mine are extremely difficult to remove!
Creality is available in India for almost the same price. Bambu lab printers on the other hand cost 3x of the MRP. Bambu needs to figure out the worldwide shipping issues
does sunlu filement work with the speed of the k1?
I’ve been running it per their recommendation of 200mm/s the hyper runs at 300mm/s. I’ve read people in the facebook group running sunlu pla + at that speed with no problems. I typically run regular pla but just got some plus to try.
@@TwoMooseDesign thanks i might get a k1 max when it goes on sale cuz my neptune 3 plus can't get it right and dont know what else to do
@@hansherrera6969 they had a ton of sales through the holidays. Keep an eye out I’m sure they will have more.
debating between those 2 printers. I like the bambu due to the mulit-color filament setup. Does the K1 support multi-color or are we still waiting for the upgrade?
Its coming out shortly, I believe next month?
Are you running a humidifier in the background?
the fixed the rubbing stuff for the k1 with my new one. It works flawless compared to the first version
I bought 2 creality Sermoon D1s brand new. They were horrible, main boards went out twice on both. Fast forward to buying a P1S the shit is crazy how it prints without the tinker.
Bambu is hard to compete with! They make some great printers. If people have the budget I typically recommend the p1s with an AMS. Some people also hate Bambu as its closed source.
Great review. Thank you. I purchased the K1 Max as it has a bigger build size and the price in Canada was CA$1,150.11 after taxes with K1 Max + Hyper PLA*2 + Nozzle kit + Smooth and textured PEI Build Plate. The Bambu would have been close to 1500 or more. On thing on your video you mentioned tweaks that you made. Might I suggest that you indicate what the tweaks were to get to your final results. This would greatly help others trying for those great prints. Also not sure if either printers were actually bought by you or sponsored by either companies.
Thanks! The machine loves the hyper pla. I’ll definitely include more info on tweaks on future videos. Mainly all I change is pressure advance, flow, and temp. In the creality software there is a calibration drop down. I purchased the Bambu like a year ago and the K1 max was sent to me with no stipulations from creality. No contracts or pay just the printer. Appreciate you watching 😁
Great video. I almost fell in love with K1 Max. But then this video showed me "her" different sides.
I own ender 3 pro and cr-10v3 and I'm really tired of 3d printer maintenance.
Dude... I am at pain right now struggling with some stupidity in my CR-10V3... I want to sell the house and buy the Bambu with the AMS
@@jjptech Me too. I really really want a bambu lab printer with 300x300 bed.
@@ZERONEINNOVATIONS same. If bambu had a 300x300 bed i would be buying that. but my brother owns a standard k1 and i understand its issues well enough that a K! max wont phase me. I just need the bigger bed. really wish it had an AMS option though.
The lines can be fixed with printing outside perimeters first.
If you also had the option for a pursa xl.
What printer would you pick??
I personally haven’t used one so I can’t say. I have a few friends who are huge prusa fans. Prusa seems to have a good reputation, if that’s the printer you’re interested in I’d say it’s probably a pretty good option.
Cripes, I wouldn'it buy a Prusa. They are far behind in developing new features, etc. I owned an i3 Mk3s and it was "ok", but it is really a tinkerer's machine. I have a Voron 2.4r and operate Ultimakers at work. We just bought a Bambu X1 Carbon with AMS at work. We unboxed it at 1:30pm and by 2:30 we were printing. It is amazing. I am seriously considering getting a Bambu for myself now.
Im new to 3d printing.. going to get the p1S.. a lot of bang for my bucks..
14:04 X1C did a pressure advance calibration on the first print too. This will took some time.
I’m a beginner. Less that 600 print hours. Had a learning curve when I got my XC1. Had a few issues in the beginning that were my fault but after that I just hit print and I get great results that generally exceed my expectations. I have zero regrets buying the XC1. Zero.
how is the k1 max at printing parts that have to go together - like gears, joints, screw joints etc. . ..
I feel the k1 max is a very solid machine and does not need the tinkering of other Creality machines
Thanks for your input! This is my first creality printer and over all it’s been decent. Prints pretty good overall once you dial it in some.
@@TwoMooseDesign yea I agree I have a cr10 that no matter what I do I can’t get it to print , this k1 max has performed flawless for me so far (about 10 prints , 100 hrs or so) I am ordering a x1c on Wednesday though so I’m excited to run both
bonsoi sorry to go off topic, can you give me the address where you bought your metal shelf @1min22s on video, I can't find a structure like that. Thanks, always good video.
To me it looks like the standard “industrial freestanding shelving” from Home Depot or Lowe’s. I have that similar shelf & I bought it from Home Depot.
Good morning, congratulations on the videos, I take the opportunity to ask for advice.
I'd like to upgrade my printer, and I'm undecided between these two models.
Creality k1 max, or a Bambulab p1s.
Or if you have anything else to recommend to me.
Thanks in advance!
This video was/is very helpful....
Totally ignorant to all of this..researching for a bday/holiday gift for son. He's wanting a printer to do small car parts...any recommendations from anyone? He drives a 20 yr old truck & finding it difficult to replace items....he's of course wating to do other things with the printer, but trying to find something for what he's truly wanting this for. Also it's his first printer. Suggestions? Help
The corner spotting on the K1 Max boxes is just the seam being supposedly hidden so it isn't a straight line,
Orcaslicer may be a better option for testing both.
It seems like you took a new k1 and compared it to your tried and true bambu. I can see the better results in the bambu but I am left wondering if the k1 can be tweaked to be as good. It seems like you left k1 tweaks out of equation in final analysis, or are they that minor?
People do buy aftermarket extruders and it does print well with the hyper pla and can print faster than generic PLA. Over all I think it’s a cheaper version of Bambu. Bambu is hard to compete with and you definitely pay for it.
150 hours of printing is enough to calibrate the machine if you don't keep changing filaments. Bambu just has better user experience and parts.
@@clbmurat yeah, it doesn’t take all that long to run a couple tests/ calibrations if you’ve been printing for a bit. It can be a bit of a struggle for someone who hasn’t owned a printer before.
Support settings seems a little janky. would recommend the tree/organic supports in PrusaSlicer. I think they are in other slicer software
I actually bought the K1 Max on sale for $511.... BUT, I'm considering returning it and getting the Bambu Lab A1 instead. Size difference isn't an issue for me. And i just don't like the idea of having to tinker with it just to get it to print. That and I didn't find the reviews for the K1 Max very reassuring...
I own a p1s and a k1 max. I've standardized on using orcaslicer which supports both printers very nicely.
I am thinking of one of these! Which would you recommend or you like?
@@mixmastermantas6841 between the k1 max and the p1s, the p1s is the best out of box experience and the best out of box print quality, but the software is closed source and you can't really customize it all that much. the k1 max uses klipper, offers you the ability to root it right from the main menu, and the community has provided an installer script that makes installation of mainsail or fluidd, kamp, etc. and it's really easy to modify the way it works. there's a bit more maintenence, but you can make it work the way you want... also the k1 max is 300^3 whereas the p1s is 256^3 which sounds close, but the extra build volume can certainly come in handy with some models (especially if you print larger things like helmets, big cases, props, etc.) you CAN print a ton of stuff in 256^3, but it really depends on what you want out out of it.... also the p1s's camera SUUUCKS whereas the k1 max's camera is actually quite serviceable for remote monitoring. they both have their strengths and weaknesses and I use them both regularly, it all depends on what you want to do... oh, and the p1s has the option of the bambu AMS multimaterial system if you want to do multicolor or multimaterial prints, it's quite convenient (even if you just load it up with your most used colors so you don't have to get up and swap out filaments all the time). there ARE some mmus that are compatible with klipper and thus the k1 max, but I haven't looked deeply into that. if you have the budget, and you like to build things, something like a voron trident or voron v2 kit are WAY better printers, or if you wanted something pre-built, one of the derivatives like a sovol sv08 (get the enclosure), or a one of the troodon models would be great too. I personally have a self-built (from an ldo kit) voron v2 (that's my workhorse), a self-built voron v0 (not really recommended unless you want to rapid prototype small things, it's a 120^3 printer but it's STUPID fast to heat up and STUPID fast to print), the p1s, and the k1 max. they all have something unique to contribute, and again, it depends on what you want to print.
Bambulab good or k2 plus please need advice 😢
Actually, it looks like the zits on the corner can be fixed by running a quick pressure advance calculation.
That’s what I did and helped a ton 🤌🏼🤌🏼 thanks for the tip!
Thanks for the review/comparison!
Thanks for watching I appreciate it
I have a K1 Max and p1S Bambu. It isn't even close. Bambu almost always works. When it doesn't, it's software to self calibrate, level, etc. works perfect. The K1 bed is generally warped. The hot end needs upgreaded to a unicorn, and it just generally clogs more often. I like the K1, however, it doesn't compare to the Bambu P1s.
I have 2 creality printers 5 plus and an ender 3 v2. While they both are decent I have to always play and adjust them or upgrade. I bought a X1C over a year ago and the 2nd one 8 months later. I have had failures printing but for the few times it happens, its an easy fix. Bambu Labs are the reason that everyone has fast ptinting now. I will stick with the Bambu Labs since they just work. Sure the Creality is a bit bigger but it won't be long before Bambu comes out with a bigger one.
Agreed
Bambu’s require little tinkering/calibrating. Other manufacturers of 3d printing recently have rushed products to the market. Creality, Elegoo and Sovol to name a few. They are letting the end user find all the errors with firmware, etc. Bambu has delayed their new printer. Hopefully it is to make it a solid machine from the start. Although, i’m sure it will come with a premium price. If they don’t come out with a bigger build volume printer, they will be missing out on a big market. Qidi Plus 4 looks promising. We will have to see how the K2 Max turns out. Haven’t decided if i want to tackle building a larger volume Voron. I know the idea is you can pick and choose your components but would be nice if you could buy a finished product with little assembly.
I'm still fighting my K1 max warped bed, man 900 frigging dollars and still suck out of the box, I'm so done with creality, it's frustrating
The Bambu P1S is my most recent purchase (a few days ago) my Ender is now in the attic to stay! I'll never buy an Ender anything after all the headaches it caused, wasted time, clogs, failures, more spaghetti than an Italian restaurant has ever seen . I just hope this lawsuit doesn't take Bambu out! Or cause any harm to the customer 😮
I’ve had the Bambu A1 for a couple of weeks now and probably my 6th printer over the years. This is hands down the best one I’ve ever had. No tinkering and just works right out the box. This video is clickbait if you don’t realise the value in their printers.
Bambu slicer is a fork of Prusa slicer which is a fork of Slic3r
Crazy they all just bridged off of a couple haha
Thanks for the correction I wasn’t sure
I am looking for someone to print 1000 small caps out of TPU 90A, Is that something Two Moose would be interested in?
So I have a bambu farm after moving away from a prusa farm. My mate bought a K1 max to try save some coin over a bambu. well after days of trying to get the K1 to print without uneven or under extrusion and no amount of tuning worked he ended up flashing klipper on it. it now works ok but not as good as the bambu. Not worth a very slight saving.
Use Orca (It directly Supports the K1).. BTW Orca is based on Bambu Studio.. Bambu studio is based on Prusa Slicer... Prusa Slicer is based on Slic3r.
Awesome! I’ll check it out and thanks, wasn’t sure on all of that.
I’m curious rather to get this or the Qidi max3
I’ll probably do a video comparing the 3. The Qidi is about $900 and is larger than both of them. It also has a heated chamber so I can print harder to print filaments a little easier. I don’t have much time only that one as I’ve been focusing on the K1 Max. But seems good so far
@@TwoMooseDesign yeah size and heated chamber are two important factors for me. I do have some concerns with Bambu labs rails over time. Being they aren’t really something easily replaced I’m kind of hesitant to get one.
@@Bigpopp1 it looks like a new carbon assembly is $90 which isn’t awful. Curious to see how it holds up after a while.
@@TwoMooseDesign true it’s not bad. I’m mostly familiar with linear rails where you just need to clean and lube them and cost less but I will agree that’s not as bas as I imagined. But that does end up on the landfill.