wow!!! those server computer rack mount cases are still going? I remember working for a manufacturing company that used 19inch racks to test their products. Each rack was filled with that computer case and HP test equipment. Thing is, this was 30 odd years ago :) Nice to see those 19inch rack computer cases still in use.
Thank you so much I did not know this channel but he even has a setup video for the compaq server that came with this system (the same one I replaced as fast as I could haha) All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks On those servers: If you don't plan on keeping them, I would be happy to see them go to a computer collector. These things are not very valuable, but they are a cool piece of early internet history, and there are not that many working ones left (many have broken over the years), so it would be very sad to see these in the trash.
@@unmountablebootvolume I have been blessed by unmountable boot volume hahaha such a cool username!!! I recently sold one of the proliant servers to the junkyard for like five euros and felt super bad but: it was not working and in parts already. The working one I kept last minute! Original first gen Lawo system. They stepped away from Proliant servers to custom pcs within a year after my console. Thanks for the heads up, I‘ll take care! All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks While it's sad the spare one got junked, I'm really glad you saved that dual P3 one! Those seem to be quite rare, as all P3 servers I ever saw were single cpu. The username actually came from the win Vista days, where I got that one A LOT. Back then, it was mostly caused by broken hard drives. Tip: if you keep getting unmountable boot volume at random points in the boot process (sometimes right after turning on, other times it might even reach the login screen), check the connectors between the hard drive and its circuit board. Often, the read/write head connectors corroded (especially on early lead-free drives, where they stopped puting solder on the connecting pads), so the system randomly gets bad data and bluescreens while booting. Cleaning the connector fixed about 1/3 of unmountable drives.
@@unmountablebootvolume Haha I‘ll think of you once I get that unmountable boot drive screen! Also I did not know that the proliants were sought after in any way - to be fair I kinda hated them. The IDE was limited to optical drives only, all you could use were the original scsi drives. BIOS was locked so only access to boot settings is via a software on CD that easily renders your win installation unbootable.All the best, Tobi
Für Broadcast und TV garantiert überholt, aber für Recording Studios die teilweise noch auf Neve Consolen aus den 70er Jahren laufen würde ich das anzweifeln…da sieht die Kombination aus einem extrem hochwertigen analogen Signalweg, solide programmierter DSP und flexiblem und dabei digital speicherbaren Routing erstaunlich modern aus. Nur die Optik, die ist natürlich ganz was eigenes :) Oh und ja die Anlage verbraucht im Betrieb aktuell gemessen 1,8 kw das sind gute 50 cent die Stunde. Beste Grüße, Tobi
So cooles Spielzeug... Ich würde von allen Maschinen noch Images ziehen, falls die Festplatten mal alle viere von sich strecken... Hast du mal darüber nachgedacht die meisten Systeme einfach zu virtualisieren, soweit möglich? Damit könnte man vermutlich den Stromverbrauch und die Lautstärke ganz drastisch reduzieren.
Hi! Ja images habe ich tatsächlich :) Virtualisierung ist ein Thema, tatsächlich sind aber was Lautstärke und Stromverbrauch angeht die Windows Systeme mein geringstes Problem - Der ATM Mainframe von IBM ist leider der lauteste. Und auch der Hungrigste. Ich will mir deren Stromversorgung in Zukunft mal anschauen. Beste Grüße, Tobias
Just found your channel. Nice video. Interesting systems. Hopefully that NT machine isn't going anywhere near the internet. I fet. The old management computer if you are going for aesthetics. If no, consider something less power hungry.
Hi! Hmm I am thinking about exchanging computers in the future yes…Best would be they fit in a 19“ Rack Housing and have legacy boot so I can run Win NT4 on them :) All the best, Tobi
Indeed most of these computers have a UPS built in. Also thank you for introducing me to the term of „browning out“, never heard that before but I see what I can do! Thanks and all the best, Tobi
@tobitweaks IMHO a brownout is worse than a blackout in most cases. If it's from the grid, it may also carry significant overvoltage. A decent UPS is also a good overvoltage protection. If you want even better overvoltage protection, look into installing a type/class 2/II surge protector in your distribution as a pre-stage
Be careful with the cooling in the Schrank, there don’t seem to be holes in the doors, then heat can build up and the stuff can break. In the data center we used always doors with holes. Even if you install all 4 fans, they are not very effective, this design is outdated. At least install some temperature sensor so you can see what is going on.
Thanks for your comment! A temperature sensor is a good call. I have a heat camera and will monitor - also because originally I wanted to further soundproof thus insulate the Schrank…All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks thanks 😊 as this has kind of a unique “historic” equipment parts of which like the power pc are hard or even impossible to replace I don’t want it breaks down. I find it extremely cool that people like you try to preserve equipment that otherwise might go to the trash.
@@mudi2000a True! The Power Pc I am lucky to have a working second one as a backup, and these Lawo systems ain‘t too rare actually so there are replacements but the windows servers I am happy to replace them wherever I can. Sadly the network hardware is ATM so just finding network cards for modern systems seems impossible sadly. All the best, Tobi
While monitoring the heat is definitely recommended and a always a good idea, with this low amount of devices I wouldn’t expect too many problems as long as cold air can enter from below and “hot” air can escape from the top. Just don’t fill the rack completely (back and front) with server hardware from around 2010… That stuff gets *hot*
@@ramdynebix Thank you for your comment! Haha don‘t worry nothing in there is younger than 2000 ;) Except for maybe mouse keyboard and display :D All the best, Tobi
So first yes, theese systems where left on all day because turning it off and on puts stress on caps and causes thermal expansion and contraction which damages boards and components. This is quiet a rule for industrial stuff. The more electronics is in there, te greater the chance that somthing blows up on cold start. Next, definetly make shure to backup each and every disk from every computer. Storage devices will fail and you most likely won't be able to make a fresh install again. Once one disk fails and You don't have an image to clone it onto a new medium from, the whole thing will turn into a paperweight. So don't relie on a single drive. Always have a backup on at least a second drive or an image file. No matter if it is SSD, HDD of flash storage, they all are proven to fail.
Hi! Thanks for the insights! Interesting to read that, I mean yes it seems safe but not at all sustainable in terms of energy consumption haha…Also I have backups of everything and even the original copies of the software down to the firmware on the dsp chips! All the best, Tobi
ich hab a bisserl Schmerzen mit der Stromversorgung im Schrank, Alles auf einem Stromkreis. Wenn du da nur den einen Schalter hast, hast du da ne schöne Welle an Strom, die dir den Automaten auslösen können. Besser wäre es, kurz Zeit versetzt (halbe Sek reicht da) in Gruppen zu schalten. Im übrigen sollte der Hauptschalter am Pult ggfs. auch getauscht werden, dass man da beim Einschalten nen Lichtbogen sieht, sollte so wohl nicht sein (Ich spiele grad mit 8 Movingheads a 120W rum, reproduzierbare Auslösung des B16A-Automaten beim gemeinsamen EInschalten)
Hi! Danke für dein Kommentar! Ich habe tatsächlich beim Einschalten manchmal Probleme mit der Sicherung. Der Schrank an sich kommt auf 900 Watt im Dauerbetrieb, die Bedien Oberfläche nochmals auf 700 das geht an sich - aber der Hauptschalter knallt mir manchmal die Sicherung raus. Ich überlege ihn einfach zu umgehen und die Stromversorgung über eine schaltbare Steckdose zu regeln. Allerdings ist im Hauptschalter eine automatische Übernahme eingebaut, die zwischen zwei Stromkreisen wählen kann (wenn einer ausfällt) und genau das macht den Lichtbogen beim Einschalten. Vielleicht hab ich auch versehentlich die Konsole auf dem ersatz Stromkreis angeschlossen dass der Umschalter beim Einschalten jedes Mal springt? Danke für die Anregung und beste Grüße, Tobi
exactly so it was made for german broadcast and my guess would be that it was mainly used for their Television Studio. I know that in the early 2000s quite a few TV Studios had this console installed. But also Radio Stations and Sync Studios used these desks. Hope that helps! All the best, Tobi
@@micbanand Hi! The whole system consumes 1800 watts including the server rack and the console so it is alright for now - in the studio I will distribute the load over multiple phases yes. On the other hand - that on off switch on the console is indeed a problem as it sparks every time I use it and it tripped my breaker multiple times…when switching the console externally all is good tho. Still I will take care of that very soon! All the best, Tobi
Hi! Yes I would love to do that! My only problem is that the Network runs on ATM Hardware and I am not able to find ATM Network cards for a reasonable price that run on newer OS…I tested the software on Win 10 no problem. All the best, Tobi
Gut gemacht, Respekt! Für ein Studio mit Vintage Gear fantastisch... Da gibt es ja mittlerweile einige auf dee Welt Ich hoffe du kannst künftig in allen großen Studios der Welt auf Kundendienst sein ;-) ...😅... Wer kennt sich bei sowas noch aus?
Vielen Dank! Tatsächlich bin ich demnächst unterwegs genau so eine Konsole zu fixen. Und mal schauen, vielleicht landet genau diese Konsole bald in meinem eigenen Tonstudio :) Beste Grüße, Tobi
wow!!! those server computer rack mount cases are still going? I remember working for a manufacturing company that used 19inch racks to test their products. Each rack was filled with that computer case and HP test equipment. Thing is, this was 30 odd years ago :) Nice to see those 19inch rack computer cases still in use.
Nice! Well at least I still use them with this system ;) Hopefully we‘ll be able to make music with it again soon. All the best, Tobi
what a fascinating desk! 😍😍 felt like I was watching a clabretro video when you were setting up the old server equipment haha
Thank you so much I did not know this channel but he even has a setup video for the compaq server that came with this system (the same one I replaced as fast as I could haha) All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks On those servers: If you don't plan on keeping them, I would be happy to see them go to a computer collector. These things are not very valuable, but they are a cool piece of early internet history, and there are not that many working ones left (many have broken over the years), so it would be very sad to see these in the trash.
@@unmountablebootvolume I have been blessed by unmountable boot volume hahaha such a cool username!!! I recently sold one of the proliant servers to the junkyard for like five euros and felt super bad but: it was not working and in parts already. The working one I kept last minute! Original first gen Lawo system. They stepped away from Proliant servers to custom pcs within a year after my console. Thanks for the heads up, I‘ll take care! All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks While it's sad the spare one got junked, I'm really glad you saved that dual P3 one! Those seem to be quite rare, as all P3 servers I ever saw were single cpu.
The username actually came from the win Vista days, where I got that one A LOT. Back then, it was mostly caused by broken hard drives. Tip: if you keep getting unmountable boot volume at random points in the boot process (sometimes right after turning on, other times it might even reach the login screen), check the connectors between the hard drive and its circuit board. Often, the read/write head connectors corroded (especially on early lead-free drives, where they stopped puting solder on the connecting pads), so the system randomly gets bad data and bluescreens while booting. Cleaning the connector fixed about 1/3 of unmountable drives.
@@unmountablebootvolume Haha I‘ll think of you once I get that unmountable boot drive screen! Also I did not know that the proliants were sought after in any way - to be fair I kinda hated them. The IDE was limited to optical drives only, all you could use were the original scsi drives. BIOS was locked so only access to boot settings is via a software on CD that easily renders your win installation unbootable.All the best, Tobi
Very nice setup! A easy fix for moving the rack; replace all 4 rack feet with M8 castor wheel.
You‘re right!!! Thank you so much this is a super valuable tip. All the best, Tobi
Very cool schrank! Definitely a Time Machine :D
Thanks for another video! I'll say this many times more, I really love that console's interface!
Der Nostalgie her geil, vom Stromverbrauch und von den Funktionen mitlerweile enorm überholt...
Für Broadcast und TV garantiert überholt, aber für Recording Studios die teilweise noch auf Neve Consolen aus den 70er Jahren laufen würde ich das anzweifeln…da sieht die Kombination aus einem extrem hochwertigen analogen Signalweg, solide programmierter DSP und flexiblem und dabei digital speicherbaren Routing erstaunlich modern aus. Nur die Optik, die ist natürlich ganz was eigenes :) Oh und ja die Anlage verbraucht im Betrieb aktuell gemessen 1,8 kw das sind gute 50 cent die Stunde. Beste Grüße, Tobi
So cooles Spielzeug... Ich würde von allen Maschinen noch Images ziehen, falls die Festplatten mal alle viere von sich strecken... Hast du mal darüber nachgedacht die meisten Systeme einfach zu virtualisieren, soweit möglich? Damit könnte man vermutlich den Stromverbrauch und die Lautstärke ganz drastisch reduzieren.
Hi! Ja images habe ich tatsächlich :) Virtualisierung ist ein Thema, tatsächlich sind aber was Lautstärke und Stromverbrauch angeht die Windows Systeme mein geringstes Problem - Der ATM Mainframe von IBM ist leider der lauteste. Und auch der Hungrigste. Ich will mir deren Stromversorgung in Zukunft mal anschauen. Beste Grüße, Tobias
Love your channel!
I hope you find a good rack for those A/D and D/A converters. Not great seeing them spread all over the floor.
Yes! I want to test all of them first and will then give them a good housing for their later destination! All the best, Tobi
Nice job.
Wooow so nice, I love it ... thanks for sharing. And it works :-) good job bro ... ok then you got 4 PCs in the system?
Thank you!! Yes it seems like I have 4 Computers and a Switch that hosts the DSP Chips. All the best, Tobi
Just found your channel. Nice video. Interesting systems. Hopefully that NT machine isn't going anywhere near the internet. I fet. The old management computer if you are going for aesthetics. If no, consider something less power hungry.
Hi! Hmm I am thinking about exchanging computers in the future yes…Best would be they fit in a 19“ Rack Housing and have legacy boot so I can run Win NT4 on them :) All the best, Tobi
hi,im new here
it's maybe a stupid question
can you use an ssd instead off hdd,so it is running faster?
Hi! In some of the computers yes! Other computers do not rely on a fixed drive. Hope that helps! All the best, Tobi
I would really reccomend a quality UPS, you dont want these computers blacking/browning out when theire running
Indeed most of these computers have a UPS built in. Also thank you for introducing me to the term of „browning out“, never heard that before but I see what I can do! Thanks and all the best, Tobi
@tobitweaks IMHO a brownout is worse than a blackout in most cases. If it's from the grid, it may also carry significant overvoltage. A decent UPS is also a good overvoltage protection. If you want even better overvoltage protection, look into installing a type/class 2/II surge protector in your distribution as a pre-stage
I have to ask:
Will it run Doom?
Hehe should we try?
Be careful with the cooling in the Schrank, there don’t seem to be holes in the doors, then heat can build up and the stuff can break. In the data center we used always doors with holes. Even if you install all 4 fans, they are not very effective, this design is outdated. At least install some temperature sensor so you can see what is going on.
Thanks for your comment! A temperature sensor is a good call. I have a heat camera and will monitor - also because originally I wanted to further soundproof thus insulate the Schrank…All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks thanks 😊 as this has kind of a unique “historic” equipment parts of which like the power pc are hard or even impossible to replace I don’t want it breaks down. I find it extremely cool that people like you try to preserve equipment that otherwise might go to the trash.
@@mudi2000a True! The Power Pc I am lucky to have a working second one as a backup, and these Lawo systems ain‘t too rare actually so there are replacements but the windows servers I am happy to replace them wherever I can. Sadly the network hardware is ATM so just finding network cards for modern systems seems impossible sadly. All the best, Tobi
While monitoring the heat is definitely recommended and a always a good idea, with this low amount of devices I wouldn’t expect too many problems as long as cold air can enter from below and “hot” air can escape from the top. Just don’t fill the rack completely (back and front) with server hardware from around 2010… That stuff gets *hot*
@@ramdynebix Thank you for your comment! Haha don‘t worry nothing in there is younger than 2000 ;) Except for maybe mouse keyboard and display :D All the best, Tobi
So first yes, theese systems where left on all day because turning it off and on puts stress on caps and causes thermal expansion and contraction which damages boards and components. This is quiet a rule for industrial stuff. The more electronics is in there, te greater the chance that somthing blows up on cold start.
Next, definetly make shure to backup each and every disk from every computer. Storage devices will fail and you most likely won't be able to make a fresh install again. Once one disk fails and You don't have an image to clone it onto a new medium from, the whole thing will turn into a paperweight. So don't relie on a single drive. Always have a backup on at least a second drive or an image file. No matter if it is SSD, HDD of flash storage, they all are proven to fail.
Hi! Thanks for the insights! Interesting to read that, I mean yes it seems safe but not at all sustainable in terms of energy consumption haha…Also I have backups of everything and even the original copies of the software down to the firmware on the dsp chips! All the best, Tobi
ich hab a bisserl Schmerzen mit der Stromversorgung im Schrank, Alles auf einem Stromkreis. Wenn du da nur den einen Schalter hast, hast du da ne schöne Welle an Strom, die dir den Automaten auslösen können. Besser wäre es, kurz Zeit versetzt (halbe Sek reicht da) in Gruppen zu schalten. Im übrigen sollte der Hauptschalter am Pult ggfs. auch getauscht werden, dass man da beim Einschalten nen Lichtbogen sieht, sollte so wohl nicht sein
(Ich spiele grad mit 8 Movingheads a 120W rum, reproduzierbare Auslösung des B16A-Automaten beim gemeinsamen EInschalten)
Hi! Danke für dein Kommentar! Ich habe tatsächlich beim Einschalten manchmal Probleme mit der Sicherung. Der Schrank an sich kommt auf 900 Watt im Dauerbetrieb, die Bedien Oberfläche nochmals auf 700 das geht an sich - aber der Hauptschalter knallt mir manchmal die Sicherung raus. Ich überlege ihn einfach zu umgehen und die Stromversorgung über eine schaltbare Steckdose zu regeln. Allerdings ist im Hauptschalter eine automatische Übernahme eingebaut, die zwischen zwei Stromkreisen wählen kann (wenn einer ausfällt) und genau das macht den Lichtbogen beim Einschalten. Vielleicht hab ich auch versehentlich die Konsole auf dem ersatz Stromkreis angeschlossen dass der Umschalter beim Einschalten jedes Mal springt? Danke für die Anregung und beste Grüße, Tobi
could you not take the wheels off the smaller dolly and put them on the bigger board sitting on top ?
Yes I will probably build a stable board on wheels for this so I can move it around in it‘s new home :) . All the best, Tobi
Was that from a television studio?
It was from the „Bayrischer Rundfunk“
exactly so it was made for german broadcast and my guess would be that it was mainly used for their Television Studio. I know that in the early 2000s quite a few TV Studios had this console installed. But also Radio Stations and Sync Studios used these desks. Hope that helps! All the best, Tobi
Geisteskrank! You rock!
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You need to fix your 220v. Fire Hazard! make 2.5mm2 Cabels. and split it even from 3 fase. or as min. 1,5mm2 pr 10a continius load
@@micbanand Hi! The whole system consumes 1800 watts including the server rack and the console so it is alright for now - in the studio I will distribute the load over multiple phases yes. On the other hand - that on off switch on the console is indeed a problem as it sparks every time I use it and it tripped my breaker multiple times…when switching the console externally all is good tho. Still I will take care of that very soon! All the best, Tobi
@@tobitweaks waw I guested 2-3 times that
Everytime i see this desk, I have to take a deep breath. Too complicated!
Winbloat
Hi! I tried to google this term and learned a bit, but what do you mean here? Thanks and all the best, Tobi
With SSD's it gets 4x faster. I bet you can shrink the servers into one single small box.
Hi! Yes I would love to do that! My only problem is that the Network runs on ATM Hardware and I am not able to find ATM Network cards for a reasonable price that run on newer OS…I tested the software on Win 10 no problem. All the best, Tobi
Gut gemacht, Respekt!
Für ein Studio mit Vintage Gear fantastisch...
Da gibt es ja mittlerweile einige auf dee Welt
Ich hoffe du kannst künftig in allen großen Studios der Welt auf Kundendienst sein ;-) ...😅... Wer kennt sich bei sowas noch aus?
Vielen Dank! Tatsächlich bin ich demnächst unterwegs genau so eine Konsole zu fixen. Und mal schauen, vielleicht landet genau diese Konsole bald in meinem eigenen Tonstudio :) Beste Grüße, Tobi