I heard busa, useable power, having fun, beginner bikes all in the same video. Thank you for making it clear to me. I’m gonna be starting on a turbo busa
My 25 yr. old Busa is way too powerful for the street and it's all stock. The only way I'd ride one that's got a turbo would be on the drag strip. Like he said in the video, it's no fun tooling around town in second gear or first (up to 90 mph). When I got it I was talking to a friend that's a pro drag racer and he told me my busa has the same HP as his drag bike. I'm going to sell it and clean the carbs and tank of my 700 Interceptor, it's much more enjoyable to ride and still is quick and will hit 155. The Busa is way too easy to do triple digits plus and get into trouble, both with the law and speed.
Been riding a 125 cc bike for a while it was dog shit slow , everyone said oh 65hp that's nothing you'll handle that I test rode a 1977 kz650 ,I was not ready but all that time practicing and riding the 125 helped but jeez that thing is fast ,way too fast I wasn't expecting it ,numbers on a sheet don't tell you the whole story I have alot more respect for 200hp bikes now if that's 65 I can't comprehend a 200hp one ,jeez
I've been riding 26 years but my brother finally joined me and my dad and got his licence at 37 years old. He rode the cb650 I sold him for one year and then went a bought a 1290 Super Duke.😂 It's way faster than any bike I've owned in 26 years. He's a level headed dude so I'm not worried about him, and I can still get away from him on my little 18 year old Ninja 650 through the twisties. This shows me that he's not willing to put him self at risk by Tring to keep up. I've owned way faster bikes than my 650, but there's really nothing it can't do.
@@bille.334 Even that is overkill, but if you want to keep power on tap to overpower traffic (for safety or ego reasons) then yes 110 to 150 is probably the maximum reasonable figure. 240+ hp liter bikes are just stupid, plain and simple. Unless you are riding track, u wont use it.
@andrewcarnegie5805 in FL, we have tons of long straight flat roads. Totally can use it. Just saying for around town, 120hp is enough to still feel fast, and your able to really ring the bike out.
Agree - came back to riding after a bit of a break had loads of Sports Bikes in 80’s, 90’s, noughties. Got a 765r in May, so small & light but goes like stink & OMG the build & finish is amazing. Don’t need anymore for the roads… especially in Ireland!
Definetly getting very fast. I mean, come on, we consider 80 HP Bikes that do 0-60 in less than 4 seconds as "Beginner Bikes". If you think about that it is already absolutely stupid fast. But now there are 200+ HP Bikes. Imo those "Beginner Bikes" are much more fun on a street than Liter Bikes. Espaccially on the smaller european roads.
Isn’t it mind boggling that the mt07 and gsx8r are considered “slow bikes” when they do 0-60 in less than 4 seconds. It’s crazy because they are slow in terms of bikes but they’re faster than 90% of the vehicles on the road
Without electronic aids such as ABS and traction control, 80 HP is indeed stupid-fast, but with those aids such 80 hp bikes are now merely "kinda fast but far safer". Interestingly, I looked at bikes with low insurance rates and picked a Suzuki GSXS1000F which Progressive rates as "low risk" with ridiculously low insurance rates. Nope, that bike is stupid-fast so I sold it and bought an XSR900 which has even lower insurance rates. 117 HP is a bit beyond my comfort level even for a track day but it's ok.
Agreed. Even certified beginner bikes like 300-500ccs are considered "baby" bikes. Like yo its a fuckin motorcycle. The fact that you learned how to ride it and then got one should be enough. Plus even THOSE are fast. Maybe not top speed-wise, but certainly in terms of acceleration.
This is what I've been always thinking, we dont need more power. Bikes from 20 years ago still blow pants away we just need innovationdns in handling, brakes, safety and the experience they provide.
Yammie, as 30+ yr veteran, having been a road racer, MSF instructor, owner of over 35 bikes and 500K+ miles of riding experience on some of the best roads in America and living in over 15 states; I won’t say I’ve seen it all but I have seen and experienced quite a bit. I’ve owned some of the top rides out there. Busa’s, R1s, FZ1, 1200/1250 GS, S1000XR, ZH2, CBR 900RR, CBR 600s, ZZR. I can honestly say some of my most fun and non-scary rides were on the bikes with lower HP. I obviously do like high HP bikes but trying to ride them at even 80% on the road requires, focus, skill, experience and a bit of luck not to eat it or get arrested. This is especially true because I ride for the twisties. 90% of my 1/2 million miles were to nowhere;) I never got a rush like a lot of these knuckleheads on RUclips that weave in and out of traffic on interstates going 175mph+ and actually stupid enough to film it. Couldn’t agree with you more, love your content keep up the good work!!
Great comment! I am curious: if you had to choose a lower HP bike that gets you personally revved up, what would it be? No wrong answers. Just genuinely curious what you choose. Be well!
Great reply, I agree about the knuckleheads in traffic showing off. Especially the idiots riding wheelies through traffic and these damn street takeovers. Too many drivers that can mess you up by swerving, hitting the brakes, etc.
us kiddos still gonna start on 600s and 6 months later buy a litre bike (06 cbr100rr) and rip at 110 on 35 mph roads with plate flippers bruh. we kinda dont care that much if we die.
Great video as always. Thanks. I agree 100%. I came down from a Gen 1 1290 Super Duke at 180hp which was stupid fast and I'm not a good enough rider to control that beast, to a new Suzuki GSX 8R. Perfection!!! 83 hp and as fast as I could ever want. I control the bike rather than the other way around. It's sooooo much fun!
I've heard those are very comfy! Considered upgrading to one from my baby ninja, but honestly I love this little 400 so much that I think I'll just stay where I'm at.
I guess I have a "proper, widow making, squid killer machine" but comfort edition, a 2000 ZX-9R. 140rwhp and 170 top speed, track bike. I agree 100%. It is all I can handle and as much usable power as I will ever need. Yammie is growing up, good to see his perspective on power.
The reason for inline 4s was the lack of sudden torque in racing. There were no driver aids like wheelie control, engine retarding, etc to use going into and coming out of corners. Therefore, torque was a net negative for a rider if it wasn’t gradual like it is in an inline 4 versus today’s “newer” higher torque, lower rev bikes. It’s not speed that people want less of. It’s needing more control while certain people proclaim street riding needs more torque when you already had the answer to that with the inline 4 without electronics. The torque band was purposefully wide and long where the bike is already moving before the pull kicks in. This is much safer for the rider and provides a consistent level of control.
Great points. Now they are building torquier bikes but making them usable via electronics for us mere mortals. I'm ok with that... but I dont want to see the end of the inline 4's.
Yeah, before motoGP went to four stroke engines they had the 500 two strokes that as Valentino Rossi said in a racing video the first time he rode one and it hit the powerband he said to himself FUCK! They had a habit of breaking the rear tire loose. Another interesting quote from him was when someone asked what he rode on the street and he said it's way too dangerous, he doesn't ride on the street.
Been riding 20 years and I'm a motorcycle fanatic. I love a bike that has too much power 😂. I 💯 agree it's unusable, don't care. My most recent bike was a 2005 zx10r that i had geareed down a bit. My new bike is a 1098 streetfighter that quite frankly I've been a little underwhelmed with the power. But i will say this, that's why we all need multiple motorcycles in our lives, because they all check different boxes and provide vastly different riding experiences. 👍
I've had an MT-09 for four years now, I ain't craving no power. Torque still gives me a rush. If I decide to get an R1 it ain't for power it's for the character of the bike. More importantly it's about the roads and the destination, just getting out and riding.
I own 2 ancient Suzuki 750 motorcycles with a combined age of 78 and a combined horsepower of 186. Either can kill me dead but only if I let them. I got them to have fun, not die.
It goes back to a saying in the car community. You wanna drive a fast car slow? - Or a slow car fast? Who's having more fun? The guy in the Miata who can toss it into twisty roads all day - or the guy in the hellcat red eye who can't use 70 percent of his power unless he wants to catch felony traffic violations or a 'Surprise!' tree that popped up out of thin air?
Why not both? That’s the real question. The Miata driver loves flinging that thing around curves, feeling every bump in the pavement and using nearly all of its potential without fear of instantly breaking the sound barrier. Meanwhile, the Hellcat can peel rubber on demand and roar like a beast if you can find a straight stretch long enough to tap its true muscle. But here’s the thing having power on reserve isn’t wasted it’s reassuring. You might only use 30% of a Hellcat on your daily commute, yet knowing you’ve got that extra 70% whenever you want it is thrilling in its own right. And if you ever do get to a track, or a deserted back road, you’re set to unleash the beast responsibly. At the end of the day, it’s about personal taste in adventure. Some folks want to ring every ounce out of a smaller engine, others want to tame the mighty horsepower lurking under their hood. One approach isn’t better, just different and there’s plenty of fun to be had on either side of the speedometer. Also literally just seen a sxt do lose control so u definitely don’t need 1000hp to wrap a tree it’s all about discipline
@@erenyeager2947 True that. I have a 1290 Super Adventure that 90% of the time is riding pretty tame on the roads, not using much of its power, but when I find an empty stretch of straight road, man does it feel good to let it loose and stretch its legs a little bit. :) The extra reserve power is also nice when I need to get quickly away from annoying dangerous cars that are driving erratically, get around slower traffic faster, or get away from big trucks because.....well never good to be near big trucks.
agreed. I've also found that there are a number of very different mindsets about this. Some people just wanna go fast and that's that, so they're always gonna get the faster toy. That's fine, but it's also impractical if you don't actually go fast all the time. I guess it comes down to the priorities of the individual. Personally I cannot see the point in a liter bike (or a Hellcat) but I am also someone who enjoys motorcycling for the feel rather than just the speed so that makes sense.
@@ara7450 Oh ya for sure. Though having a bigger more powerful engine I don't think is a complete waste, even if you are not maxing it out. Taking my 1290 SAS for example, I usually ride with the RPMs pretty low in the 3000-3500 range for the better fuel economy, but if you look at torque and power curves at 3500rpm, it's still putting out ~50hp and ~80ftlbs of torque at the wheel. Now that's not a whole lot (for hp anyway), but compare for example to my previous bike, the husky 701, which is considered still a pretty punchy bike and has peak figures around ~72hp. That bike liked to rev more and I always rode it 1000RPM higher than my 1290 at 4000-4500 RPM. Looking at curves for 4500 RPM, it puts out ~28hp and ~33ftlbs at the wheel .That's nearly half the hp and less than half the torque my 1290 is giving me, all the while the 1290 is also doing it at 1000 RPM less (meaning if I took it to match at 4500, it'd be further outpacing the smaller 701). My point is, a lot of people see bigger engines and only look at peak figures, then either gooch themselves at the numbers or say "what's the point?" when they realise they won't actually use it. A lot of people miss looking at the bigger picture (the power and torque curves) and fail to realise that it isn't about maxing out the power figures at their peak values, but having more power and torque available throughout the entire rev range, including most importantly, at the lower revs where most street riding is done. Yeah I'm almost never pumping out the full 160 ponies of my 1290, but I am pumping out 50-60 just casually zipping around at a leisurely 3500-4000rpm in my normal riding as compared to a smaller mid size bike's 30-40. Even more so for torque, at least with this engine. I would say the benefits are most felt on the street with that massive torque gain than the hp gain. Anyway, you're not wrong. I do agree with the sentiment that 70hp-100hp is a good place to be and more is not needed. My 701 got around just fine everywhere I went. I'm just merely pointing out that having a bigger engine that can peak higher, but isn't being used that way isn't still a waste as you do still gain benefits across the rev range regardless of how aggressive or docile you are being with the bike vs. a smaller bike, is all. Though admittedly much of that does depend on engine configuration. A parallel twin or v-twin as is this case, will yield different results than an inline 4, for example.
I had to go against so many comments to buy a "small" cb500 hornet as a newly full license holder. Friends, bike instructors, sellers all told me to buy at least 650cc! I kept tight and bought the 500, that's plenty enough for in and around town and the low consumption motivates me to use it for each commute. I'll likely find the opportunity to ride bigger one day but so happy for now plus I'll have another exciting discovery time when I ride bigger later.
Yeah i had the same advice. People left and right were telling me I was an idiot for wanting a ninja 400 and that I should def get at least a 600 instead. Luckily I'm immune to peer pressure because I got the ninja 400 anyways and have absolutely no regrets. I've had it for a year already, and while I've considered upgrading in the near future once or twice, I've ultimately decided against it in favor of the ninja every time because this little champion is just that good. I already don't use all of its power and its such an absolute joy to ride and light enough that I can actually pick it up if it falls over.
I have 15 bikes and my dream bike was a zx10r and I finally got a 2020zx10r and that has to be hands down the best 👌 bike for the money has such great power handling and probably the last bike that just touches you soul but for us people that have lots of experience on bikes because yes it's a monster and will bite you in a second
I miss the Ninja 250 I started with about 8 years ago. Full throttle every where and not breaking the speed limit. I could bang through gears and even cruise on the highway at 75 with a pull that tops out at 90! Full circle man!
Too Fast? Last time I checked, a bike will only go as ‘fast’ as the rider allows via the throttle… LET FREEDOM REIGN! Why should the TurboBusa/H2/215 mph guy tell us that we should never ride a bike over 99 HP or 999cc? So, only old guys who’ve been riding since 1900 have valid opinions on riding motorcycles? Are they better than Marquez, Bagnaia, or J. Martin? If we continue to follow this logic we’ll all be riding e-bikes next week!
@@Rickmac22 no,no,no, bro. Level 2 is Doc in the Box. Not just Level 1, but which Level 1 matters. 30+ years in the trenches w/ L1 er med school faculty....
I CAN'T believe all the doom & gloom going on here. Truma Center levels, REALLY people?? The UNIT we ride is under OUR control-We control IT, not the other way around. It's no different than a weapon, they don't KILL😮, a spoon doesn't make us FAT & a pencil doesn't misspell words. Of course we AB-SO- CERTAINLY have idiots out here & I'm one from time to time. Point is, it's up to the individual to NOT get himself 6ft under pushing daisies. How about we all take some ACCOUNTABILITY for our own actions. As a group, we have seen or know of folks who push the envelope, that's that persons free will as an AMERICAN. As a veteran I believe with everything in me that WE all are guaranteed the freedom to persue happiness as long as the repercussions & consequences are accepted for said pursuit. Look, I understand the message here & I personally wouldn't want ANYONE to suffer a tragedy especially an innocent bystander/pedestrian as I am almost positive someone is going to mention. As serious as this subject is, let's not forget that this hobby by & large should be an exciting, fun & relaxing way of enjoyment.
I am with ya Yam’ster. I am an old school 50+ year old metal bike rider using a 2019 Himalayan as my daily. While I did do a few engine upgrades it’s still slow as all hell. But… it’s a rolling sofa and feels good to just cruise. Thanks!!
I picked up a little 451cc Ninja 500 (2024) and absolutely love the Hell out of it. Small displacement bikes are my vibe, and with enough upgrades and maintenance, you've got yourself a nice daily-driver / sport bike. I couldn't imagine being stuck in traffic on a liter bike.
I own the Sportster S. The top end HP has been reduced to 124 but it will hold up against the H2 in the 0-60 range because they tuned the engine for torque. Torque just makes a bike fun while HP just makes the bike dangerous. My 2 cents.
I just bought a 2022 MT 10 and fully agree with the video. You never need that amount of power. I would say a motorcycle with around 100 HP and a good amount of torque is all you ever need. I bought the MT 10 over a MT 09 because I love how it rides and I paid about the same I would have payed for a new MT 09.
I was looking at a Suzuki 800 DE or RE after selling my FJR but there was a GSX S 1000 GX next to them. Glad I got the GX - a lighter well equipped and comfortable bike for my old bones. 1000ccs is my sweet spot.
You’re 💯 right, my Speed Triple 1200Rs had 180 bhp ……. I never went over 7000 rpm , I didn’t need to it’s so fast it’s a waste of a bike, totally unusable
@@Cartsp70 it's absolutely worth finding out if it's for you, if you like the speed triple but wanted something that was a little dialed down in nearly all aspects it's a sweet spot of a bike. It's a very well built machine.
Eventually, all surviving cyclists realize that the TurboBusa is fun as hell, but essentally useless. It's like when you graduate from trying to get blotto on PGA as fast as possible, to sipping really good Scotch with close friends.
@@yammienoobYouvr been preaching character over being a stat warrior for years. Glad to have watched your expertise be formed by all the types of riding you’ve shared with us. Seems like an inaccurate assessment of how You analyze bikes imo. Looking forward to stunt grom content
Like the video man! Love my trident sometimes want to trade it but when I go out by myself really don’t want to trade it. So yeah I’m cool with my motorcycle and enjoy it don’t need 200 hp to prove to nobody!
I own an s1000r and it’s so funny to see RUclips reviewers hop on one and say “it’s pretty fast but doesn’t have the thrill of some of its competitors.” Maybe it’s because I’ve only been riding for a few years but power wheelies in 3rd gear at 100mph and doing 80 in first gear in a matter of seconds will never not make me smile, and it’s already such incredible overkill for normal roads that I can’t imagine actually wanting to ride something more insane. That’s just me though, maybe this really is tame in comparison to other bikes which would just prove your point in this video.
I started on an MT-09, full bolt ons + Vcyclenut tune, ended up trading it in for my current 2023 MT-10 SP which also has full bolts on a custom tune. Not sure why Yammy acts like powerful bikes aren’t fun but…here is me, grinning ear to ear with my MT-10 SP putting down 153 to the rear wheel
@PrestoninParadisus I'm 62, so I will just be happy with the mt09. But I have sat on one, and I can see the allure. I'll never use the HP it gives you, so I'll just save my money.
My fav bike is now a 90 degree twin Moto Guzzi. Max torqye at 2,700 rpm and max hp at less than twice that. To me it's all about powerband delivery. And the Guzzi people know this. These beauties are a joy to ride.
Motorcycles are not too fast. You just live in the area with too well funded police. If you disregard any legal consequences and have long enough straights, these bikes are just awesome.
I personally don't like breaking past 100. On a road, you're going too fast to respond to anything and the road runs out so goddamn fast. I like short bursts of 100
@@logangodofcandy I also used to do like this. Once you get used to the bike, road and speed, you will feel ok holding wide open throttle for a long time in a row.
I took my 700 Interceptor down a long straight country road with nothing but farms around so visibility was good for about a mile, no possible surprises, with a group of sport bike riders and hit redline in 6th gear at 155 mph (Probably actually 145 or 150 with speedo error factored in). Roads like that are getting real hard to find anymore with all the development.
@@manstersr that really depends on the geography you live at. I have a couple of such roads near me. And I am sure no new developments will happen any time soon in my area.
Its like buying a Ferrari. You’re not gonna use all the horsepower, and the electronics are needed to make it useable. However, I bought my Ducati V4 streetfighter not for the 200+ horsepower. Rather, it was the looks, the engineering, the styling, the sound etc. There’s a lot more to these bikes that make them appealing. I’ll never use all the BHP, and that’s okay. I was around when the first Yamaha R1 came out, but couldn’t afford it at the time. I’m very lucky to be able to own the streetfighter now. Great time to be riding.
My 2022 Kawasaki Concours with Delkevic headers, Akrapovic slip on's and an sweet Ivan's tune. 160+hp. top end 150+. Love it and I'm turning 70 this year.
I carefully compared a 380 LB 600RR, 410 LB 1000RR and 355 LB 1000RR (all wet weight with 1 gallon fuel), on the street and it is HANDS DOWN the most fun to ride the 355 LB 1000RR due to the snappy throttle and incredible suspension performance. It makes the 600RR feel slow and loud and you can never go back. A stock 1000RR did feel heavy in the hand and sluggish by
Came back to riding after a bit of a break had loads of Sports Bikes in 80’s, 90’s, noughties (no rider aids or even abs) Got a Street Triple 765r in May, so small & light but goes like stink & OMG the build & finish is amazing. Don’t need anymore for the roads… especially in Ireland!
Picked up a brand new Suzuki GSXS1000Gt at the start of December... it has 150bhp stock. And that's considered a "Sports Tourer".... its quite fast and powerful enough for ANY situation that I can think of. With a tune they're capable of a lot more, but yeah... it really doesn't need it. The last few days I've been pottering around on my partner's 2022 R3. It's such a fun little bike to ride!
I have to have a beast machine in my stable and right now that’s a 2024 Ducati Panigale V4S. My other bike is a 2017 Ducati Hypermotard that I ride more for everyday use. But it sure is nice to hop on my Panigale from time to time 💯
i started on a grom, six months later i upgraded to a ninja 500. it's been 6 months since then and i love it, i probably won't buy another bike until i can afford to have a crazy 250 hp bike sitting in a garage 350/365 days of the year.
yes... and it is even more frustrating that sales are offering up 1000s to beginners... with no consideration of the threat for the rider or others on the street.
@@MrYutoob nah, I think it needs to be understood that it is not all about the $ for these dealerships.... dead/cripple customers don't keep motorcycle sales in business. alive customers, who had a great growing experience do. Statistically, majority of casualties in our hobby is user error... speeding and not knowing your bike.
We are watching Yamie get old and aging out, lol. I’m 63, among my bikes are a Ducati streetfighter v4s and a MV Agusta brutale 1000rr. Can I use that all on the road? Of course not, but my right hand easily controls how much of it that I need. It’s just the satisfaction of what the bike is that thrills. I remember being wary of the horsepower that my Honda Rc51 made when I first bought it, my Buell X1, or CBR 600f3. I’ve taking them all to the track, but wouldn’t never push them to their limits, I have race bikes for that, crf250s and sv650s, that I use for that. You don’t need to push a bike to its limits to have fun.
As much as i want a 200hp superbike, i have to admit that 70-100hp is honestly plenty. And still seriously fast. Anyone saying an R7 type bike is 'slow' has lost the plot. My R1200GS has 108hp and even with a passenger and bags accelerates from 30kph to 130kph a LOT faster than basically any normal car on the road. Faster than anyone realistically needs would ever need it to. And that's a massive all road touring bike.
Maybe ride a modern V4 - it’s not about using all of the 200+ hp, it’s about how every aspect of the bike is better in every way. You will be surprised. The Ducati SFV4 is a narrower fit, has a wider torque curve, handles traffic better and has suspension and modes in the S Model that rival the top super cars. It’s not all about power. 👍🏼
Hommage to you Yammie AND YOUR TEAM! Only a few seasons under my belt or chain. Started on a KTM 390 Duke now ride a RSV4 (both 2019) Definately need restraint but love the speed and power. Still find value in both bikes. Just my 2 cents.
I ride a crf 450 & just got a trident 660 2 months ago for road duty. The crf is ripping fast for this gray beard & the Trident is imho, a great canyon carver w/ plenty of ponies & torque. Love the 3 cylinder thing Triumph does.
Went from a 150hp Multistrada to a 120hp Tracer 9 GT. For the twisty California roads I mostly ride I don't need more power. But on the Tracer I feel like I'm using most the power more often
Seriously the best starting machine I could have asked for is the MT07, plenty of power for the twisties and the gearing is sick for fundamentals. Sure could have more top end, but it gets where it needs to go, and gets there quick
Good choice,hopefully you got the sp model, this could be my next bike if iam able to get it, honda dealer sucks where I live,you can only find the low cc hornets 125,250 etc for delivery boys!!might try to source it from somewhere else!!
Very well said, I've owned about 20 bikes of all shapes and sizes and after 40 years of riding I no longer care about what others think, and I'm loving life on a 75hp middle weight.
I had a cbr600f4 when i was younder. Wrecked it about 15 years ago. 6 years ago i started riding on a cbr500r, now i have a cbr650r & i like it. Recently got crf300l too. Alot of fun off road. But even thet cbr500r is alot of fun on the street.
I own two bikes, both have about 75 HP, the first is a 2005 Ducati Monster S2R 800, the second is a 2008 BMW F650 GS Twin. I drove my Ducati during last years vacation almost 3800km all over Germany, without one mile on the Autobahn, twisty roads are much more fun. After this trip spending up to 8 hours a day in the saddle averaging 50kmh, my conclusion was, its doable but I'm to old (almost 60) for this kind of torture. So when a nice little BMW F650GS (having the twin cilinder 800cc Rotax engine) showed up on Ebay Kleinanzeigen (Our version of craigslist) in the village next to us, I had to buy. With about the same power as the Ducati for me it is about as fast as the Duc but the riding is completly different, no more back pains, just comfort and the ability to do some gravel roads to. I'll never sell the Ducati because it is my dream bike, will take her out on shorter rides, for vacations and longer trips I sure will take the BMW. Of course I tried the top speed on the Ducati, but I stopped a around 195kmh (about 120mph), because it didn't felt like fun anymore on a naked bike. For me something under/around 100 HP fits the bill.
I've had my fun with a 400cc, 56hp Honda CB-1 , as i did on a 100hp VFR750. Even on the 400 i could do illegal speeds in 3rd gear and keep up with the big boys in the twisties. The VFR V4 was nice and torqy down low for some touring and fast enough if you dropped a few, to carve some corners. Everything above 60hp is fun and you don't need more than 80 to keep it that way. Everything above 100hp is overkill.. I've seen the R1 coming, selling like hot cakes and be back on the showroom floor a few weeks later, with barely 1000 kilometers on the clock. To be followed by the Blackbird, the Hayabusa and the ZX14, that was capped at 299 kph, to keep it safe. I have called those bikes madness and i still do. Everything that needs rider aids to make them ridable is.
This is exactly why I’m lookin to find a 600 class sport bike. Now am i saying that having an R1M or a Ninja H2 isn’t still a dream bike? Not at all. I just feel like I could have all the fun and speed I need on a Kawasaki 636 or a older (08-12) R6. Heck even a gsxr or a cbr sounds great to me at the moment. Bottom line is I miss the fun of being on two wheels and I think I’ll definitely be looking for a 600 class sport bike. Appreciate the video yet again Yammie! Hopefully I’ll be back on a bike soon!
You nailed it. I had a Vmax...it was fun? Yes, but I barely survived it. It was impossible to ride that bike in a relaxed way. Now I use a Z400 as everyday transportation, complete stress free riding. I don't feel the bike is just waiting for one little mistake to take me down.
I ride a cbr 1000rr-r sp on the street and on track. I just turned 23. Couldnt imagine being more blessed than being able to ride this motorcycle. Before getting that a rode a 48hp naked bike since i didnt have the permission for the bigger bikes yet. And let me tell you, most of the time more horse power simply means more fun. It just is what it is. Then you also have the incredible sound that no other type of motorcycles could ever get close to. Of course its not the most convenient bike to ride and if you just want to drive to work or in a straight line then the motorcycle might just not be for you. But if you know how to ride it i cant Imagine having more fun on any other motorcycle.. Also when you have a powerfull bike even the straights are fun when you kind wind out that kind of power its a different kind of adrenaline pump you get than what a naked bike like yours could ever deliver. No hate. And no i wouldnt want my bike to have less power as due to the great electronics it doesnt feel unrideable in any way shape or form. Even on the streets.
I went from a current gen SV650 to a new Aprilia Tuono 660 Factory, and I have found that 100hp is plenty for the road! 70 was enough with the Suzuki, but the sweet spot is 100, and I can’t even use all of it except on the track. And, I don’t feel like it’s trying to kill me!
I currently ride a 2016 Moto Guzzi V7 II Stone that puts out around 50 horsepower at the rear wheel. It's got plenty of torque and cruises fine on the freeway and backcountry roads I ride. As an older rider, this suits me fine.
I 100% agree with you. Im getting my first bike this summer. Im extremely excited and yet a little nervous . Im gonna take the msf course once it gets a little warmer. I want an R9. And I know people are like , I shouldn't get that for my first bike. But its just gonna happen lol. 117 horsepower I feel is a little overkill. But i think that once i get used to it, it will be enough for me for awhile. Eventually I plan on getting something cheaper for the track when I reach that level. Im so tired of people bitching about more horsepower more horsepower. But they never mention torque. Anyway...love the content. Good luck on your MSF journey. Im sure people can learn alot from you with your riding experience. Laterz
I agree, been riding for 2 years now and started looking for a bmw s 1000rr, then i hopped on a mt 09 for a test ride and changed my mind real quick 😂 even the 09 is so powerful it is insane
My 2000 ZX12R with full Muzzy exhaust K&N and Power Commander was dyno at 173 hp and unlimited with NO NANNY electronics. It's was a HANDFUL you had to know what you was doing, at 65 I enjoy my tuned 2013 KTM990SMT way more than ZX12R. Cars are the same as in the Dodge Hellcat at 800 hp
I love your videos, and I somewhat agree with what you’re saying, 200+hp is pretty insane. I have a 23 S1000RR with a stage 1 that I primarily use in the mountains or on the track, and I have a 24 XSR900 that is my “around town” bike. Banging through the gears on the XSR is fun, and it has more than enough power, but there is something about that BMW that always puts a huge smile on my face no matter how I’m riding It. I also think the S1K is one of the safest motorcycles I’ve ever ridden, but that’s just my humble opinion. Of course, I’m probably just a 50 year old squid.
After MANY years of not riding, and then getting back in a bike, I was determined to get a litre bike. After much research, including your videos, I got a GSX-8R. So glad I didn’t bite off more than I can chew.
I just got my very first bike back in December a royal Enfield interceptor 650 and immediately got told I should have bought a faster bike. honestly at 48hp I figured that's just fine for someone who's never been on a bike before.
I agree 100%. I currently own a 2002 Kawasaki ZX9R and love every minute of it. And of course, I don't ride it like a squid. When I was much younger I owned a 1990 Yamaha FRZ1000 that I never was able to realize the full potential. Too much motorcycle.
Here in the south west of the uk we have the shittest, tightest, bumpiest roads that are always cold and wet. I ride a k5 gixxer 1000 and never get out of second gear. I feel stupid every time I ride it but I love it so it’s staying put.
I sometimes take my daughter's bike out for a little spin. She has retro-tastic 1990 Honda VTR250 Interceptor. By all accounts, this is a slow bike, but boy is it fun to wring out to red-line all the time while barely breaking the speed limit. It's also super toss-able in the twisties and a nice change from my Speedmaster (also not particularly fast).
I haven't had any (new )motorcycles like the R1M, R1, Ducati, CBR, BMW. But I have ridden a 2024 Benelli 500cc. I've owned a 2014 Yamaha Vstar 650 which only had 40hp. Fun bike, but definitely not fast. Got my 2005 Yamaha FZ1 and this bike is absolutely fun with its 148hp+ and fast and handles amazingly and I knew I enjoyed the power and speed. Then my R1 2010 with 182hp. I've had absolute fun on all these motorcycles. Rode my R1 for hours without any back issues or wrists. I don't think they've gotten too crazy with BHP. Maybe the HP at the crank says 200+ but the BHP is probably closer to the 150+ range. Either way, I enjoy cruising these faster Moto's. 👊🤘😎
Last May I bought a GSX-8R. Max hp = 73, max torque = 52. For me it’s a very fun motorcycle. First, it weighs 452 lbs, meaning the engine has less to push. Second, 90% of the torque arrives below 5000 rpm, making it very user friendly. Since my previous bike was a Honda VFR800 with that incredible V-4 engine producing 105 hp I thought I’d be disappointed with the Suzuki. But it’s anything but - if anything, although I loved the VFR, the GSX-8R is even more fun.
I agree with what you say. I have a s1000r i got in 2018 and its been moving further back in the garage as even its 160bhp or whatever it is, is really too much for the road. Anywhere from 80-120(depending on engine configuration and torque)i think is perfect for fast fun road riding. Its not possible to fully wring the s1000r neck on the road much.
If you want to have fun on a bike, look to the torque figures more than outright HP. You'll find you are more comfortable and quicker in real road use. Well done yammynoob for talking some sense.
I thoroughly enjoy the M1000R. That being said at 61% of the power you can have more fun on a Street Triple. The M1000R Competition weighs almost the same as the Street Triple.
Makes sense it costs over twice as much. Yet lap times wouldn’t be half. Maybe 1.5 seconds back for $12k and bragging rights is what people are really paying for usually
@@danieldoyle253 the speed at which it accelerates above 90mph is very noticeable. So high speed sweepers the M is by far and away the better bike because it gets to speed and holds speed. If you are under 120mph the Street Triple is rips the M because it isn’t as rough on tires and is better on fuel.
Yammy, you should try the older 2000's Triumph Sprint RS 955i. It's a "litre" bike but with manageable power and great street drivability and comfortable as heck.
Now that it’s 2025 I’ve been riding 50 years!! I had a Yamaha 1100 and an XL 500 in the 80’s as a teenager and now at 55 I have a GasGas 700 and a Ducati Streetfighter V2 (and have been testing V4’s). This is nothing new Young Man Yam! Being free is being fast and in the right hands a litre bike makes life tolerable!! Haha
You are spot on mate and totally agree with you. Most young men go for the best and greatest of bike not because they ride them properly but it just to brag about how powerful their bikes are
I'm a big guy, putting my butt on an SV650 would look like a gorilla riding a football. I have to ride a big bike so it doesn't feel like a bicycle, and so I don't look ridiculous. That being said I sacrifice a lot of handling because of it. Current ride is a new Z H2, the size is perfect the power is beyond anything I can use and it's twitchy as hell. Why Kawa didn't put a steering stabilizer on it I don't understand. But it takes that big a bike for me to be comfortable.
After getting a GS (1200) even liter bikes feel like scooters now The thing pops a power wheelie in 1st gear at 2000 RPM The thing that makes the bike so fun to ride is the insane amount of torque at all the time (around 100nm at 5k) and max rpm at 9k I've done 100mph in first gear on a s1000rr and it felt slow at first and very fast at the end, something that you don't want and need on the street
23 gsx-s750z 2wheelsdynoworks tuned and -1/+4 sprockets. it makes 100hp @ 10k rpm and 55lbs/ft @ 9krpm TO THE WHEEL. it's a brilliant smooth power delivery, beautiful intake, deep grunt to powerful high rev scream exhaust sound/notes, robust and sexy design with the legendary k5 gsxr based engine and chassis make it the most desirable bike in its class.... except everyone ignored it and got the mt09 hooligan wheelie machine.
I have about 140 horses on my early 2000's 1050 speed triple It's absolutely enough for street even in track it's enough. On track sure could be more but I don't race. I do track only to become better on street and I don't have to squid so much on street. Because as Yammie said in some very very old video on 7 something something riders you'll meet "Life is not behind the corner it is the corner" and realistically you have way more fun on around 100 horses on a twisty road
I think the Street Triple RS is the limit of comfortable riding for the streets. Anything less or equal to it is fun, anything more and you better have great skills and insurance.
My ninja 400 is not the most powerful thing out there, but its really fun to open it up and ride it to its limit sometimes, even if the limit doesn't seem that great to some. Most people cant ride a powerful bike to its limit, only due to the lack of ability of the rider. Get a bike you can push to the limit of your ability I am sure you'll have more fun.
@Yammie Noob youre right. but theres also another perspective, price. modern bikes cost an insane amount. in my local currency a ducati would cost around 2 mil. thats more expensive than a house. if i had the money i sure would buy one. for the passion. even a new kawasaki zx25rr is like 500k. you could get a proper car for that price. me, id choose the bike because thats what i like. but any random person would choose the car. thats why in my country having a 250 is seen as owning a beast of a motorcycle. thats why liter bikes are dying. the price. admit it if you could choose between a s1000 and a 300, youd choose the s1k any day. if only you could. that what the market needs bikes that are accessible. things that wont cost you 10 years of life savings. admit it, the screams of a four cylinder liter bike will send chills through you too bad affording one is so hard. respect.
I've been riding here is Scotland for for 26 years. I've never been on track, but I have seen 160+mph on the speedo a few times, and honestly, theres no point. After many faster bikes, and with the bugetary constraints of a mortgage and kids, I find myself owning an 18 year old Ninja 650, and I fckin love it! It's fast enough to overtake anything on my local moutain roads with ease, and it's midrange punch is way better for the road than the high end power 600 supersport I used to own.
I am happy to ride with 56hp motorcycle, and i can have much more fun with much less pressure than if i had over 100hp. I sometimes think that i should upgrade to something around 70-80hp, but then again my fun is to have machine that gives me plenty of options to correct my own and mistakes of others without much pressure. Not to have machine where without electronics i would need to stress out ecery second about yhe amount of power that i should use to be reasonably safe.
i'm turning 20 this summer and then i can finally buy my first motorcycle. i'm going to buy a Ninja 500 se with good clothes of course. the only thing is that here where i live in the netherlands there aren't really nice routes with long roads to ride on and i don't really have the people or friends around me to ride with but im still very exited!
That's why I own a 650 and a 1000. 650 can be used for anything and still be enjoyable. The 1000 is when you just want to open up on some back roads or at a track. I live in ohio. There are some way out there roads you can ride on where zero people go, and you can really just fly. I'll admit I love my 650. The main reason I got my 1000 was for a cruise control being bmw s1000rr plus it was always my dream bike.
Torque > HP My 1st gen MT-03 (660cc 1 cylinder) only makes 48hp but it also makes 58Nm (43ft-lbs) stock which makes it loads of fun to ride (and some simple performance mods really makes it a lot better as well). 80% of my riding is on twisty back roads with not the best roads (gravel, dirt, etc. from farmers) so it consists mainly of accelerating and braking and that's where that torque is so much fun. I did my lessons on a MT-07 (we have mandatory riding lessons) and I wouldn't say that MT-07 was much more fun than my MT-03. At the end of the day, you're riding to have fun. Constantly going through the gears is part of which makes it fun. On my roads, a 1000 would 80% of the time be in first gear. Only long highway riding is where it's struggling but it's a big thumper coming from a supermoto, it wasn't meant for that.
Spite’s recent video of the CB-1000R did very well. I think more people are starting to realize that less is more, especially when it comes to riding on the street. That 140hp is plenty and more than you would ever need. Im sure it will last 100k miles as well
I’ve always had this want to go to a motorcycle dealership demo day and just test ride all the bikes from beginner to advanced performance. Than at the end just see which I prefer as a whole.
I heard busa, useable power, having fun, beginner bikes all in the same video. Thank you for making it clear to me. I’m gonna be starting on a turbo busa
My 25 yr. old Busa is way too powerful for the street and it's all stock. The only way I'd ride one that's got a turbo would be on the drag strip. Like he said in the video, it's no fun tooling around town in second gear or first (up to 90 mph). When I got it I was talking to a friend that's a pro drag racer and he told me my busa has the same HP as his drag bike. I'm going to sell it and clean the carbs and tank of my 700 Interceptor, it's much more enjoyable to ride and still is quick and will hit 155. The Busa is way too easy to do triple digits plus and get into trouble, both with the law and speed.
🤣🤣🤣😆 That's what I heard too.
The disclaimer is in his name.
Just got hired at my first real job. 23 an hour so I’m going to be able to get my first bike by this summer! I’m so excited, going to get a ninja 400
I bought one 3 Months ago and its everything you think it is. one of the best beginner bikes out there!
Buy good gear before you get the bike!!
Take the MSF course and get a full set of gear.
@@bryceedwards8544you’ve tried all the others?
Ninja 300s aren't too old yet, you'll feel much better after crashing this instead of a new 400.
been riding for 4 years, i'm not ready for a 200hp bike
Same
Been riding a 125 cc bike for a while it was dog shit slow , everyone said oh 65hp that's nothing you'll handle that I test rode a 1977 kz650 ,I was not ready but all that time practicing and riding the 125 helped but jeez that thing is fast ,way too fast I wasn't expecting it ,numbers on a sheet don't tell you the whole story I have alot more respect for 200hp bikes now if that's 65 I can't comprehend a 200hp one ,jeez
You need plenty of track experience to feel comfortable pushing a 200hp bike around.
@ayowser01 for sure😅
I've been riding 26 years but my brother finally joined me and my dad and got his licence at 37 years old. He rode the cb650 I sold him for one year and then went a bought a 1290 Super Duke.😂 It's way faster than any bike I've owned in 26 years. He's a level headed dude so I'm not worried about him, and I can still get away from him on my little 18 year old Ninja 650 through the twisties. This shows me that he's not willing to put him self at risk by Tring to keep up. I've owned way faster bikes than my 650, but there's really nothing it can't do.
120ish hp with good mid range torque seems to be the sweet spot for the road IMO.
r9 and zx6r
@@bille.334 Even that is overkill, but if you want to keep power on tap to overpower traffic (for safety or ego reasons) then yes 110 to 150 is probably the maximum reasonable figure. 240+ hp liter bikes are just stupid, plain and simple. Unless you are riding track, u wont use it.
@andrewcarnegie5805 in FL, we have tons of long straight flat roads. Totally can use it. Just saying for around town, 120hp is enough to still feel fast, and your able to really ring the bike out.
Agree - came back to riding after a bit of a break had loads of Sports Bikes in 80’s, 90’s, noughties. Got a 765r in May, so small & light but goes like stink & OMG the build & finish is amazing. Don’t need anymore for the roads… especially in Ireland!
@@bille.334 I guess so but I really feel it's too much power for public roads, liter bikes that is.
Definetly getting very fast. I mean, come on, we consider 80 HP Bikes that do 0-60 in less than 4 seconds as "Beginner Bikes". If you think about that it is already absolutely stupid fast. But now there are 200+ HP Bikes. Imo those "Beginner Bikes" are much more fun on a street than Liter Bikes. Espaccially on the smaller european roads.
MT 07 for the road, R1 for the autobahn
Isn’t it mind boggling that the mt07 and gsx8r are considered “slow bikes” when they do 0-60 in less than 4 seconds. It’s crazy because they are slow in terms of bikes but they’re faster than 90% of the vehicles on the road
Without electronic aids such as ABS and traction control, 80 HP is indeed stupid-fast, but with those aids such 80 hp bikes are now merely "kinda fast but far safer". Interestingly, I looked at bikes with low insurance rates and picked a Suzuki GSXS1000F which Progressive rates as "low risk" with ridiculously low insurance rates. Nope, that bike is stupid-fast so I sold it and bought an XSR900 which has even lower insurance rates. 117 HP is a bit beyond my comfort level even for a track day but it's ok.
Agreed. Even certified beginner bikes like 300-500ccs are considered "baby" bikes. Like yo its a fuckin motorcycle. The fact that you learned how to ride it and then got one should be enough. Plus even THOSE are fast. Maybe not top speed-wise, but certainly in terms of acceleration.
Just imagine the price of a 4sec 0-60 car and somehow you can sleep better at night. Except electric car, thoose dont count.
This is what I've been always thinking, we dont need more power.
Bikes from 20 years ago still blow pants away we just need innovationdns in handling, brakes, safety and the experience they provide.
Maybe some new engines with self adjusting valves 🤷♂️. Thats my pick. Why we still deal with it is ridiclulous.
Yammie, as 30+ yr veteran, having been a road racer, MSF instructor, owner of over 35 bikes and 500K+ miles of riding experience on some of the best roads in America and living in over 15 states; I won’t say I’ve seen it all but I have seen and experienced quite a bit. I’ve owned some of the top rides out there. Busa’s, R1s, FZ1, 1200/1250 GS, S1000XR, ZH2, CBR 900RR, CBR 600s, ZZR. I can honestly say some of my most fun and non-scary rides were on the bikes with lower HP. I obviously do like high HP bikes but trying to ride them at even 80% on the road requires, focus, skill, experience and a bit of luck not to eat it or get arrested. This is especially true because I ride for the twisties. 90% of my 1/2 million miles were to nowhere;) I never got a rush like a lot of these knuckleheads on RUclips that weave in and out of traffic on interstates going 175mph+ and actually stupid enough to film it.
Couldn’t agree with you more, love your content keep up the good work!!
@stephenharvey913 man, I loved my 1250 Bandit. But I get the same power in my 3 cylinder mt09. Mucho funo.
Great comment! I am curious: if you had to choose a lower HP bike that gets you personally revved up, what would it be? No wrong answers. Just genuinely curious what you choose. Be well!
Great reply, I agree about the knuckleheads in traffic showing off. Especially the idiots riding wheelies through traffic and these damn street takeovers. Too many drivers that can mess you up by swerving, hitting the brakes, etc.
us kiddos still gonna start on 600s and 6 months later buy a litre bike (06 cbr100rr) and rip at 110 on 35 mph roads with plate flippers bruh. we kinda dont care that much if we die.
@@stephenharvey913 Literally everyone on the internet has ur resume.
Yammies next video. "I just bought an NC750x. And I love it"
Great video as always. Thanks. I agree 100%. I came down from a Gen 1 1290 Super Duke at 180hp which was stupid fast and I'm not a good enough rider to control that beast, to a new Suzuki GSX 8R. Perfection!!! 83 hp and as fast as I could ever want. I control the bike rather than the other way around. It's sooooo much fun!
I've heard those are very comfy! Considered upgrading to one from my baby ninja, but honestly I love this little 400 so much that I think I'll just stay where I'm at.
I guess I have a "proper, widow making, squid killer machine" but comfort edition, a 2000 ZX-9R. 140rwhp and 170 top speed, track bike. I agree 100%. It is all I can handle and as much usable power as I will ever need. Yammie is growing up, good to see his perspective on power.
The reason for inline 4s was the lack of sudden torque in racing. There were no driver aids like wheelie control, engine retarding, etc to use going into and coming out of corners. Therefore, torque was a net negative for a rider if it wasn’t gradual like it is in an inline 4 versus today’s “newer” higher torque, lower rev bikes. It’s not speed that people want less of. It’s needing more control while certain people proclaim street riding needs more torque when you already had the answer to that with the inline 4 without electronics. The torque band was purposefully wide and long where the bike is already moving before the pull kicks in. This is much safer for the rider and provides a consistent level of control.
It's also a matter of training and clout chasing today.
Great points. Now they are building torquier bikes but making them usable via electronics for us mere mortals. I'm ok with that... but I dont want to see the end of the inline 4's.
Thats why the 05-06 gsxr1k is so popular. Very pure riding experience, huge low to mid range power that you can use on the street
4 cylinders def have their place
Yeah, before motoGP went to four stroke engines they had the 500 two strokes that as Valentino Rossi said in a racing video the first time he rode one and it hit the powerband he said to himself FUCK! They had a habit of breaking the rear tire loose. Another interesting quote from him was when someone asked what he rode on the street and he said it's way too dangerous, he doesn't ride on the street.
Been riding 20 years and I'm a motorcycle fanatic. I love a bike that has too much power 😂. I 💯 agree it's unusable, don't care. My most recent bike was a 2005 zx10r that i had geareed down a bit. My new bike is a 1098 streetfighter that quite frankly I've been a little underwhelmed with the power. But i will say this, that's why we all need multiple motorcycles in our lives, because they all check different boxes and provide vastly different riding experiences. 👍
I've had an MT-09 for four years now, I ain't craving no power. Torque still gives me a rush. If I decide to get an R1 it ain't for power it's for the character of the bike. More importantly it's about the roads and the destination, just getting out and riding.
I own 2 ancient Suzuki 750 motorcycles with a combined age of 78 and a combined horsepower of 186. Either can kill me dead but only if I let them. I got them to have fun, not die.
It goes back to a saying in the car community. You wanna drive a fast car slow? - Or a slow car fast? Who's having more fun? The guy in the Miata who can toss it into twisty roads all day - or the guy in the hellcat red eye who can't use 70 percent of his power unless he wants to catch felony traffic violations or a 'Surprise!' tree that popped up out of thin air?
Why not both? That’s the real question. The Miata driver loves flinging that thing around curves, feeling every bump in the pavement and using nearly all of its potential without fear of instantly breaking the sound barrier. Meanwhile, the Hellcat can peel rubber on demand and roar like a beast if you can find a straight stretch long enough to tap its true muscle.
But here’s the thing having power on reserve isn’t wasted it’s reassuring. You might only use 30% of a Hellcat on your daily commute, yet knowing you’ve got that extra 70% whenever you want it is thrilling in its own right. And if you ever do get to a track, or a deserted back road, you’re set to unleash the beast responsibly.
At the end of the day, it’s about personal taste in adventure. Some folks want to ring every ounce out of a smaller engine, others want to tame the mighty horsepower lurking under their hood. One approach isn’t better, just different and there’s plenty of fun to be had on either side of the speedometer.
Also literally just seen a sxt do lose control so u definitely don’t need 1000hp to wrap a tree it’s all about discipline
@@erenyeager2947 True that. I have a 1290 Super Adventure that 90% of the time is riding pretty tame on the roads, not using much of its power, but when I find an empty stretch of straight road, man does it feel good to let it loose and stretch its legs a little bit. :) The extra reserve power is also nice when I need to get quickly away from annoying dangerous cars that are driving erratically, get around slower traffic faster, or get away from big trucks because.....well never good to be near big trucks.
agreed. I've also found that there are a number of very different mindsets about this. Some people just wanna go fast and that's that, so they're always gonna get the faster toy. That's fine, but it's also impractical if you don't actually go fast all the time. I guess it comes down to the priorities of the individual. Personally I cannot see the point in a liter bike (or a Hellcat) but I am also someone who enjoys motorcycling for the feel rather than just the speed so that makes sense.
@@ara7450 Oh ya for sure. Though having a bigger more powerful engine I don't think is a complete waste, even if you are not maxing it out. Taking my 1290 SAS for example, I usually ride with the RPMs pretty low in the 3000-3500 range for the better fuel economy, but if you look at torque and power curves at 3500rpm, it's still putting out ~50hp and ~80ftlbs of torque at the wheel. Now that's not a whole lot (for hp anyway), but compare for example to my previous bike, the husky 701, which is considered still a pretty punchy bike and has peak figures around ~72hp. That bike liked to rev more and I always rode it 1000RPM higher than my 1290 at 4000-4500 RPM. Looking at curves for 4500 RPM, it puts out ~28hp and ~33ftlbs at the wheel .That's nearly half the hp and less than half the torque my 1290 is giving me, all the while the 1290 is also doing it at 1000 RPM less (meaning if I took it to match at 4500, it'd be further outpacing the smaller 701).
My point is, a lot of people see bigger engines and only look at peak figures, then either gooch themselves at the numbers or say "what's the point?" when they realise they won't actually use it. A lot of people miss looking at the bigger picture (the power and torque curves) and fail to realise that it isn't about maxing out the power figures at their peak values, but having more power and torque available throughout the entire rev range, including most importantly, at the lower revs where most street riding is done. Yeah I'm almost never pumping out the full 160 ponies of my 1290, but I am pumping out 50-60 just casually zipping around at a leisurely 3500-4000rpm in my normal riding as compared to a smaller mid size bike's 30-40. Even more so for torque, at least with this engine. I would say the benefits are most felt on the street with that massive torque gain than the hp gain.
Anyway, you're not wrong. I do agree with the sentiment that 70hp-100hp is a good place to be and more is not needed. My 701 got around just fine everywhere I went. I'm just merely pointing out that having a bigger engine that can peak higher, but isn't being used that way isn't still a waste as you do still gain benefits across the rev range regardless of how aggressive or docile you are being with the bike vs. a smaller bike, is all. Though admittedly much of that does depend on engine configuration. A parallel twin or v-twin as is this case, will yield different results than an inline 4, for example.
sounds like a skill issue if you cant ride a fast bike fast or drive a fast car fast.
I had to go against so many comments to buy a "small" cb500 hornet as a newly full license holder. Friends, bike instructors, sellers all told me to buy at least 650cc! I kept tight and bought the 500, that's plenty enough for in and around town and the low consumption motivates me to use it for each commute. I'll likely find the opportunity to ride bigger one day but so happy for now plus I'll have another exciting discovery time when I ride bigger later.
Yeah i had the same advice. People left and right were telling me I was an idiot for wanting a ninja 400 and that I should def get at least a 600 instead. Luckily I'm immune to peer pressure because I got the ninja 400 anyways and have absolutely no regrets. I've had it for a year already, and while I've considered upgrading in the near future once or twice, I've ultimately decided against it in favor of the ninja every time because this little champion is just that good. I already don't use all of its power and its such an absolute joy to ride and light enough that I can actually pick it up if it falls over.
I have 15 bikes and my dream bike was a zx10r and I finally got a 2020zx10r and that has to be hands down the best 👌 bike for the money has such great power handling and probably the last bike that just touches you soul but for us people that have lots of experience on bikes because yes it's a monster and will bite you in a second
I miss the Ninja 250 I started with about 8 years ago. Full throttle every where and not breaking the speed limit. I could bang through gears and even cruise on the highway at 75 with a pull that tops out at 90! Full circle man!
Too Fast?
Last time I checked, a bike will only go as ‘fast’ as the rider allows via the throttle…
LET FREEDOM REIGN!
Why should the TurboBusa/H2/215 mph guy tell us that we should never ride a bike over 99 HP or 999cc?
So, only old guys who’ve been riding since 1900 have valid opinions on riding motorcycles? Are they better than Marquez, Bagnaia, or J. Martin?
If we continue to follow this logic we’ll all be riding e-bikes next week!
@@Rickmac22 You're right. Lets follow your logic so we can all ride helicopters to the nearest level 1 trauma center instead.
@user-gm4kv2my4u never level 1, level 2, they have an actual trauma surgeon on call, not just a bunch of fellows...
@@Rickmac22 no,no,no, bro. Level 2 is Doc in the Box. Not just Level 1, but which Level 1 matters. 30+ years in the trenches w/ L1 er med school faculty....
I CAN'T believe all the doom & gloom going on here. Truma Center levels, REALLY people?? The UNIT we ride is under OUR control-We control IT, not the other way around. It's no different than a weapon, they don't KILL😮, a spoon doesn't make us FAT & a pencil doesn't misspell words.
Of course we AB-SO- CERTAINLY have idiots out here & I'm one from time to time. Point is, it's up to the individual to NOT get himself 6ft under pushing daisies. How about we all take some ACCOUNTABILITY for our own actions.
As a group, we have seen or know of folks who push the envelope, that's that persons free will as an AMERICAN. As a veteran I believe with everything in me that WE all are guaranteed the freedom to persue happiness as long as the repercussions & consequences are accepted for said pursuit.
Look, I understand the message here & I personally wouldn't want ANYONE to suffer a tragedy especially an innocent bystander/pedestrian as I am almost positive someone is going to mention.
As serious as this subject is, let's not forget that this hobby by & large should be an exciting, fun & relaxing way of enjoyment.
I think you missed the point of the video
I am with ya Yam’ster. I am an old school 50+ year old metal bike rider using a 2019 Himalayan as my daily. While I did do a few engine upgrades it’s still slow as all hell. But… it’s a rolling sofa and feels good to just cruise. Thanks!!
I picked up a little 451cc Ninja 500 (2024) and absolutely love the Hell out of it.
Small displacement bikes are my vibe, and with enough upgrades and maintenance, you've got yourself a nice daily-driver / sport bike.
I couldn't imagine being stuck in traffic on a liter bike.
Beginning the year with some hot coffee and stepping on other people's vanity that's a bold move but fun.👍👍👍👍
I own the Sportster S. The top end HP has been reduced to 124 but it will hold up against the H2 in the 0-60 range because they tuned the engine for torque. Torque just makes a bike fun while HP just makes the bike dangerous. My 2 cents.
I just bought a 2022 MT 10 and fully agree with the video. You never need that amount of power. I would say a motorcycle with around 100 HP and a good amount of torque is all you ever need. I bought the MT 10 over a MT 09 because I love how it rides and I paid about the same I would have payed for a new MT 09.
I was looking at a Suzuki 800 DE or RE after selling my FJR but there was a GSX S 1000 GX next to them. Glad I got the GX - a lighter well equipped and comfortable bike for my old bones. 1000ccs is my sweet spot.
Trident 660 has become one of my favorite bikes, just easy to ride and it'll do anything I'm willing to go along with.
Are they good ? I’m considering getting one 🙂
You’re 💯 right, my Speed Triple 1200Rs had 180 bhp ……. I never went over 7000 rpm , I didn’t need to it’s so fast it’s a waste of a bike, totally unusable
@@Cartsp70 it's absolutely worth finding out if it's for you, if you like the speed triple but wanted something that was a little dialed down in nearly all aspects it's a sweet spot of a bike. It's a very well built machine.
Congratulations you've finally matured to realize there's more to life than paper stats
Eventually, all surviving cyclists realize that the TurboBusa is fun as hell, but essentally useless. It's like when you graduate from trying to get blotto on PGA as fast as possible, to sipping really good Scotch with close friends.
I've been saying this for years, nothing new. You watch me on RUclips, you don't know me - remember that.
@@yammienoobYouvr been preaching character over being a stat warrior for years. Glad to have watched your expertise be formed by all the types of riding you’ve shared with us. Seems like an inaccurate assessment of how You analyze bikes imo. Looking forward to stunt grom content
He’ll be an ADV DAD before we know it
@@yammienoobbruh 🤣🤣🤣 rEmEmBeR tHaT
Like the video man! Love my trident sometimes want to trade it but when I go out by myself really don’t want to trade it. So yeah I’m cool with my motorcycle and enjoy it don’t need 200 hp to prove to nobody!
I own an s1000r and it’s so funny to see RUclips reviewers hop on one and say “it’s pretty fast but doesn’t have the thrill of some of its competitors.” Maybe it’s because I’ve only been riding for a few years but power wheelies in 3rd gear at 100mph and doing 80 in first gear in a matter of seconds will never not make me smile, and it’s already such incredible overkill for normal roads that I can’t imagine actually wanting to ride something more insane. That’s just me though, maybe this really is tame in comparison to other bikes which would just prove your point in this video.
congratulations this means u have a brain and they dont
My 3 cylinder mt09 produces more than enough power for the street but doesn't go out of its way to kill me 😊
Agree. I have a street triple r and its really fast without being totally insane. Its the sweetspot for the road
I started on an MT-09, full bolt ons + Vcyclenut tune, ended up trading it in for my current 2023 MT-10 SP which also has full bolts on a custom tune.
Not sure why Yammy acts like powerful bikes aren’t fun but…here is me, grinning ear to ear with my MT-10 SP putting down 153 to the rear wheel
@PrestoninParadisus I'm 62, so I will just be happy with the mt09. But I have sat on one, and I can see the allure. I'll never use the HP it gives you, so I'll just save my money.
@@firehouse6226 to each their own but I can 100% without doubt say the MT-10 SP is a much better bike and the weight feels basically the same
@@firehouse6226 although I’m at the fuel pumps often. Might as well call it the “Empty-10”
My fav bike is now a 90 degree twin Moto Guzzi. Max torqye at 2,700 rpm and max hp at less than twice that. To me it's all about powerband delivery. And the Guzzi people know this. These beauties are a joy to ride.
Motorcycles are not too fast. You just live in the area with too well funded police.
If you disregard any legal consequences and have long enough straights, these bikes are just awesome.
I see we livin
I personally don't like breaking past 100. On a road, you're going too fast to respond to anything and the road runs out so goddamn fast. I like short bursts of 100
@@logangodofcandy I also used to do like this. Once you get used to the bike, road and speed, you will feel ok holding wide open throttle for a long time in a row.
I took my 700 Interceptor down a long straight country road with nothing but farms around so visibility was good for about a mile, no possible surprises, with a group of sport bike riders and hit redline in 6th gear at 155 mph (Probably actually 145 or 150 with speedo error factored in). Roads like that are getting real hard to find anymore with all the development.
@@manstersr that really depends on the geography you live at.
I have a couple of such roads near me.
And I am sure no new developments will happen any time soon in my area.
Its like buying a Ferrari. You’re not gonna use all the horsepower, and the electronics are needed to make it useable. However, I bought my Ducati V4 streetfighter not for the 200+ horsepower. Rather, it was the looks, the engineering, the styling, the sound etc. There’s a lot more to these bikes that make them appealing. I’ll never use all the BHP, and that’s okay. I was around when the first Yamaha R1 came out, but couldn’t afford it at the time. I’m very lucky to be able to own the streetfighter now. Great time to be riding.
The important thing here is you’re listening to HEALTH. Solid moto music.
My 2022 Kawasaki Concours with Delkevic headers, Akrapovic slip on's and an sweet Ivan's tune. 160+hp. top end 150+. Love it and I'm turning 70 this year.
Of course I ride it like a grandpa,, cause I am one. Speed limit Billy + a little extra.
You the man! I hope I can still ride when I'm your age. Very cool. My mom's 62 and she still rides too!
Bruh... this is like the 5th video I've noticed your subtle clues. JANUS. 🤙
😂😂😂
I carefully compared a 380 LB 600RR, 410 LB 1000RR and 355 LB 1000RR (all wet weight with 1 gallon fuel), on the street and it is HANDS DOWN the most fun to ride the 355 LB 1000RR due to the snappy throttle and incredible suspension performance. It makes the 600RR feel slow and loud and you can never go back. A stock 1000RR did feel heavy in the hand and sluggish by
My favorite all time bike made 100HP VFR800 5th gen with gear driven cams.That engine is unbreakable and sounds intoxicating
Came back to riding after a bit of a break had loads of Sports Bikes in 80’s, 90’s, noughties (no rider aids or even abs) Got a Street Triple 765r in May, so small & light but goes like stink & OMG the build & finish is amazing. Don’t need anymore for the roads… especially in Ireland!
Picked up a brand new Suzuki GSXS1000Gt at the start of December... it has 150bhp stock. And that's considered a "Sports Tourer".... its quite fast and powerful enough for ANY situation that I can think of. With a tune they're capable of a lot more, but yeah... it really doesn't need it. The last few days I've been pottering around on my partner's 2022 R3. It's such a fun little bike to ride!
I have to have a beast machine in my stable and right now that’s a 2024 Ducati Panigale V4S. My other bike is a 2017 Ducati Hypermotard that I ride more for everyday use. But it sure is nice to hop on my Panigale from time to time 💯
i started on a grom, six months later i upgraded to a ninja 500. it's been 6 months since then and i love it, i probably won't buy another bike until i can afford to have a crazy 250 hp bike sitting in a garage 350/365 days of the year.
yes... and it is even more frustrating that sales are offering up 1000s to beginners... with no consideration of the threat for the rider or others on the street.
Sounds like you need to immigrate to england
@@MrYutoob nah, I think it needs to be understood that it is not all about the $ for these dealerships.... dead/cripple customers don't keep motorcycle sales in business. alive customers, who had a great growing experience do. Statistically, majority of casualties in our hobby is user error... speeding and not knowing your bike.
My local dealership will absolutely not sell someone a bike over 600cc as a first bike.
We are watching Yamie get old and aging out, lol. I’m 63, among my bikes are a Ducati streetfighter v4s and a MV Agusta brutale 1000rr. Can I use that all on the road? Of course not, but my right hand easily controls how much of it that I need. It’s just the satisfaction of what the bike is that thrills. I remember being wary of the horsepower that my Honda Rc51 made when I first bought it, my Buell X1, or CBR 600f3. I’ve taking them all to the track, but wouldn’t never push them to their limits, I have race bikes for that, crf250s and sv650s, that I use for that. You don’t need to push a bike to its limits to have fun.
As much as i want a 200hp superbike, i have to admit that 70-100hp is honestly plenty. And still seriously fast. Anyone saying an R7 type bike is 'slow' has lost the plot.
My R1200GS has 108hp and even with a passenger and bags accelerates from 30kph to 130kph a LOT faster than basically any normal car on the road. Faster than anyone realistically needs would ever need it to.
And that's a massive all road touring bike.
Maybe ride a modern V4 - it’s not about using all of the 200+ hp, it’s about how every aspect of the bike is better in every way. You will be surprised. The Ducati SFV4 is a narrower fit, has a wider torque curve, handles traffic better and has suspension and modes in the S Model that rival the top super cars. It’s not all about power. 👍🏼
Hommage to you Yammie AND YOUR TEAM! Only a few seasons under my belt or chain. Started on a KTM 390 Duke now ride a RSV4 (both 2019) Definately need restraint but love the speed and power. Still find value in both bikes. Just my 2 cents.
I ride a crf 450 & just got a trident 660 2 months ago for road duty. The crf is ripping fast for this gray beard & the Trident is imho, a great canyon carver w/ plenty of ponies & torque. Love the 3 cylinder thing Triumph does.
Went from a 150hp Multistrada to a 120hp Tracer 9 GT. For the twisty California roads I mostly ride I don't need more power. But on the Tracer I feel like I'm using most the power more often
Seriously the best starting machine I could have asked for is the MT07, plenty of power for the twisties and the gearing is sick for fundamentals. Sure could have more top end, but it gets where it needs to go, and gets there quick
Right but... I preordered a new Hornet 1000✊
You should update us on your opinion...
Good choice,hopefully you got the sp model, this could be my next bike if iam able to get it, honda dealer sucks where I live,you can only find the low cc hornets 125,250 etc for delivery boys!!might try to source it from somewhere else!!
Wish we could get these in the US this year...
Very well said, I've owned about 20 bikes of all shapes and sizes and after 40 years of riding I no longer care about what others think, and I'm loving life on a 75hp middle weight.
I had a cbr600f4 when i was younder. Wrecked it about 15 years ago. 6 years ago i started riding on a cbr500r, now i have a cbr650r & i like it. Recently got crf300l too. Alot of fun off road. But even thet cbr500r is alot of fun on the street.
Never been on a liter bike… but I imagine highway rolling is quite fun. I can’t imagine using that kind of power on the curvy roads though.
I own two bikes, both have about 75 HP, the first is a 2005 Ducati Monster S2R 800, the second is a 2008 BMW F650 GS Twin. I drove my Ducati during last years vacation almost 3800km all over Germany, without one mile on the Autobahn, twisty roads are much more fun. After this trip spending up to 8 hours a day in the saddle averaging 50kmh, my conclusion was, its doable but I'm to old (almost 60) for this kind of torture.
So when a nice little BMW F650GS (having the twin cilinder 800cc Rotax engine) showed up on Ebay Kleinanzeigen (Our version of craigslist) in the village next to us, I had to buy. With about the same power as the Ducati for me it is about as fast as the Duc but the riding is completly different, no more back pains, just comfort and the ability to do some gravel roads to. I'll never sell the Ducati because it is my dream bike, will take her out on shorter rides, for vacations and longer trips I sure will take the BMW. Of course I tried the top speed on the Ducati, but I stopped a around 195kmh (about 120mph), because it didn't felt like fun anymore on a naked bike. For me something under/around 100 HP fits the bill.
I've had my fun with a 400cc, 56hp Honda CB-1 , as i did on a 100hp VFR750.
Even on the 400 i could do illegal speeds in 3rd gear and keep up with the big boys in the twisties.
The VFR V4 was nice and torqy down low for some touring and fast enough if you dropped a few, to carve some corners.
Everything above 60hp is fun and you don't need more than 80 to keep it that way.
Everything above 100hp is overkill..
I've seen the R1 coming, selling like hot cakes and be back on the showroom floor a few weeks later, with barely 1000 kilometers on the clock.
To be followed by the Blackbird, the Hayabusa and the ZX14, that was capped at 299 kph, to keep it safe.
I have called those bikes madness and i still do.
Everything that needs rider aids to make them ridable is.
This is exactly why I’m lookin to find a 600 class sport bike. Now am i saying that having an R1M or a Ninja H2 isn’t still a dream bike? Not at all. I just feel like I could have all the fun and speed I need on a Kawasaki 636 or a older (08-12) R6. Heck even a gsxr or a cbr sounds great to me at the moment. Bottom line is I miss the fun of being on two wheels and I think I’ll definitely be looking for a 600 class sport bike. Appreciate the video yet again Yammie! Hopefully I’ll be back on a bike soon!
Great Vine !!!! Old Dude here, Still lovin riding and love all the content u put out.Thanks Again
You nailed it. I had a Vmax...it was fun? Yes, but I barely survived it. It was impossible to ride that bike in a relaxed way. Now I use a Z400 as everyday transportation, complete stress free riding. I don't feel the bike is just waiting for one little mistake to take me down.
I ride a cbr 1000rr-r sp on the street and on track. I just turned 23. Couldnt imagine being more blessed than being able to ride this motorcycle. Before getting that a rode a 48hp naked bike since i didnt have the permission for the bigger bikes yet. And let me tell you, most of the time more horse power simply means more fun. It just is what it is. Then you also have the incredible sound that no other type of motorcycles could ever get close to. Of course its not the most convenient bike to ride and if you just want to drive to work or in a straight line then the motorcycle might just not be for you. But if you know how to ride it i cant Imagine having more fun on any other motorcycle.. Also when you have a powerfull bike even the straights are fun when you kind wind out that kind of power its a different kind of adrenaline pump you get than what a naked bike like yours could ever deliver. No hate. And no i wouldnt want my bike to have less power as due to the great electronics it doesnt feel unrideable in any way shape or form. Even on the streets.
I went from a current gen SV650 to a new Aprilia Tuono 660 Factory, and I have found that 100hp is plenty for the road! 70 was enough with the Suzuki, but the sweet spot is 100, and I can’t even use all of it except on the track. And, I don’t feel like it’s trying to kill me!
I currently ride a 2016 Moto Guzzi V7 II Stone that puts out around 50 horsepower at the rear wheel. It's got plenty of torque and cruises fine on the freeway and backcountry roads I ride. As an older rider, this suits me fine.
I love my V7 Special, such a low strung approachable easy riding bike. It is enough for sure
I 100% agree with you. Im getting my first bike this summer. Im extremely excited and yet a little nervous . Im gonna take the msf course once it gets a little warmer. I want an R9. And I know people are like , I shouldn't get that for my first bike. But its just gonna happen lol. 117 horsepower I feel is a little overkill. But i think that once i get used to it, it will be enough for me for awhile. Eventually I plan on getting something cheaper for the track when I reach that level. Im so tired of people bitching about more horsepower more horsepower. But they never mention torque. Anyway...love the content. Good luck on your MSF journey. Im sure people can learn alot from you with your riding experience. Laterz
I agree, been riding for 2 years now and started looking for a bmw s 1000rr, then i hopped on a mt 09 for a test ride and changed my mind real quick 😂 even the 09 is so powerful it is insane
The most engrossing bike site i'm aware of. Thank you, Sir.
My 2000 ZX12R with full Muzzy exhaust K&N and Power Commander was dyno at 173 hp and unlimited with NO NANNY electronics. It's was a HANDFUL you had to know what you was doing, at 65 I enjoy my tuned 2013 KTM990SMT way more than ZX12R. Cars are the same as in the Dodge Hellcat at 800 hp
I love your videos, and I somewhat agree with what you’re saying, 200+hp is pretty insane. I have a 23 S1000RR with a stage 1 that I primarily use in the mountains or on the track, and I have a 24 XSR900 that is my “around town” bike. Banging through the gears on the XSR is fun, and it has more than enough power, but there is something about that BMW that always puts a huge smile on my face no matter how I’m riding
It. I also think the S1K is one of the safest motorcycles I’ve ever ridden, but that’s just my humble opinion. Of course, I’m probably just a 50 year old squid.
I commute on a 1050 Speed RS , its way too much but I love it . 30 min trip to work and can basically do the whole trip in third . :).
After MANY years of not riding, and then getting back in a bike, I was determined to get a litre bike. After much research, including your videos, I got a GSX-8R. So glad I didn’t bite off more than I can chew.
I just got my very first bike back in December a royal Enfield interceptor 650 and immediately got told I should have bought a faster bike. honestly at 48hp I figured that's just fine for someone who's never been on a bike before.
I agree 100%. I currently own a 2002 Kawasaki ZX9R and love every minute of it. And of course, I don't ride it like a squid. When I was much younger I owned a 1990 Yamaha FRZ1000 that I never was able to realize the full potential. Too much motorcycle.
Here in the south west of the uk we have the shittest, tightest, bumpiest roads that are always cold and wet. I ride a k5 gixxer 1000 and never get out of second gear. I feel stupid every time I ride it but I love it so it’s staying put.
I sometimes take my daughter's bike out for a little spin. She has retro-tastic 1990 Honda VTR250 Interceptor. By all accounts, this is a slow bike, but boy is it fun to wring out to red-line all the time while barely breaking the speed limit. It's also super toss-able in the twisties and a nice change from my Speedmaster (also not particularly fast).
Yammy has really graduated to ADV Uncle.
Good for him
I haven't had any (new )motorcycles like the R1M, R1, Ducati, CBR, BMW. But I have ridden a 2024 Benelli 500cc. I've owned a 2014 Yamaha Vstar 650 which only had 40hp. Fun bike, but definitely not fast. Got my 2005 Yamaha FZ1 and this bike is absolutely fun with its 148hp+ and fast and handles amazingly and I knew I enjoyed the power and speed. Then my R1 2010 with 182hp. I've had absolute fun on all these motorcycles. Rode my R1 for hours without any back issues or wrists. I don't think they've gotten too crazy with BHP. Maybe the HP at the crank says 200+ but the BHP is probably closer to the 150+ range. Either way, I enjoy cruising these faster Moto's. 👊🤘😎
Last May I bought a GSX-8R. Max hp = 73, max torque = 52. For me it’s a very fun motorcycle. First, it weighs 452 lbs, meaning the engine has less to push. Second, 90% of the torque arrives below 5000 rpm, making it very user friendly. Since my previous bike was a Honda VFR800 with that incredible V-4 engine producing 105 hp I thought I’d be disappointed with the Suzuki. But it’s anything but - if anything, although I loved the VFR, the GSX-8R is even more fun.
I agree with what you say. I have a s1000r i got in 2018 and its been moving further back in the garage as even its 160bhp or whatever it is, is really too much for the road. Anywhere from 80-120(depending on engine configuration and torque)i think is perfect for fast fun road riding. Its not possible to fully wring the s1000r neck on the road much.
If you want to have fun on a bike, look to the torque figures more than outright HP. You'll find you are more comfortable and quicker in real road use.
Well done yammynoob for talking some sense.
I thoroughly enjoy the M1000R. That being said at 61% of the power you can have more fun on a Street Triple. The M1000R Competition weighs almost the same as the Street Triple.
Makes sense it costs over twice as much. Yet lap times wouldn’t be half. Maybe 1.5 seconds back for $12k and bragging rights is what people are really paying for usually
@@danieldoyle253 the speed at which it accelerates above 90mph is very noticeable. So high speed sweepers the M is by far and away the better bike because it gets to speed and holds speed. If you are under 120mph the Street Triple is rips the M because it isn’t as rough on tires and is better on fuel.
Yammy, you should try the older 2000's Triumph Sprint RS 955i.
It's a "litre" bike but with manageable power and great street drivability and comfortable as heck.
Now that it’s 2025 I’ve been riding 50 years!! I had a Yamaha 1100 and an XL 500 in the 80’s as a teenager and now at 55 I have a GasGas 700 and a Ducati Streetfighter V2 (and have been testing V4’s). This is nothing new Young Man Yam! Being free is being fast and in the right hands a litre bike makes life tolerable!! Haha
You are spot on mate and totally agree with you.
Most young men go for the best and greatest of bike not because they ride them properly but it just to brag about how powerful their bikes are
I'm a big guy, putting my butt on an SV650 would look like a gorilla riding a football. I have to ride a big bike so it doesn't feel like a bicycle, and so I don't look ridiculous. That being said I sacrifice a lot of handling because of it. Current ride is a new Z H2, the size is perfect the power is beyond anything I can use and it's twitchy as hell. Why Kawa didn't put a steering stabilizer on it I don't understand. But it takes that big a bike for me to be comfortable.
After getting a GS (1200) even liter bikes feel like scooters now
The thing pops a power wheelie in 1st gear at 2000 RPM
The thing that makes the bike so fun to ride is the insane amount of torque at all the time (around 100nm at 5k) and max rpm at 9k
I've done 100mph in first gear on a s1000rr and it felt slow at first and very fast at the end, something that you don't want and need on the street
23 gsx-s750z 2wheelsdynoworks tuned and -1/+4 sprockets. it makes 100hp @ 10k rpm and 55lbs/ft @ 9krpm TO THE WHEEL. it's a brilliant smooth power delivery, beautiful intake, deep grunt to powerful high rev scream exhaust sound/notes, robust and sexy design with the legendary k5 gsxr based engine and chassis make it the most desirable bike in its class.... except everyone ignored it and got the mt09 hooligan wheelie machine.
I have about 140 horses on my early 2000's 1050 speed triple It's absolutely enough for street even in track it's enough. On track sure could be more but I don't race. I do track only to become better on street and I don't have to squid so much on street. Because as Yammie said in some very very old video on 7 something something riders you'll meet "Life is not behind the corner it is the corner" and realistically you have way more fun on around 100 horses on a twisty road
I am going to buy a new Duke 390 and having fun all day long.
For 3 months and then you will be back for the 890. Fair warning.
I ran a 2010 B KING for seven years loved that motor ; )
I think the Street Triple RS is the limit of comfortable riding for the streets. Anything less or equal to it is fun, anything more and you better have great skills and insurance.
My ninja 400 is not the most powerful thing out there, but its really fun to open it up and ride it to its limit sometimes, even if the limit doesn't seem that great to some. Most people cant ride a powerful bike to its limit, only due to the lack of ability of the rider. Get a bike you can push to the limit of your ability I am sure you'll have more fun.
@Yammie Noob youre right. but theres also another perspective, price. modern bikes cost an insane amount. in my local currency a ducati would cost around 2 mil. thats more expensive than a house. if i had the money i sure would buy one. for the passion. even a new kawasaki zx25rr is like 500k. you could get a proper car for that price. me, id choose the bike because thats what i like. but any random person would choose the car. thats why in my country having a 250 is seen as owning a beast of a motorcycle. thats why liter bikes are dying. the price. admit it if you could choose between a s1000 and a 300, youd choose the s1k any day. if only you could. that what the market needs bikes that are accessible. things that wont cost you 10 years of life savings. admit it, the screams of a four cylinder liter bike will send chills through you too bad affording one is so hard. respect.
I've been riding here is Scotland for for 26 years. I've never been on track, but I have seen 160+mph on the speedo a few times, and honestly, theres no point. After many faster bikes, and with the bugetary constraints of a mortgage and kids, I find myself owning an 18 year old Ninja 650, and I fckin love it! It's fast enough to overtake anything on my local moutain roads with ease, and it's midrange punch is way better for the road than the high end power 600 supersport I used to own.
I am happy to ride with 56hp motorcycle, and i can have much more fun with much less pressure than if i had over 100hp. I sometimes think that i should upgrade to something around 70-80hp, but then again my fun is to have machine that gives me plenty of options to correct my own and mistakes of others without much pressure. Not to have machine where without electronics i would need to stress out ecery second about yhe amount of power that i should use to be reasonably safe.
I'm sort of prejudiced, with my 118hp Street Triple 765 R, but I think right around 120-ish HP is where it's at.
i'm turning 20 this summer and then i can finally buy my first motorcycle. i'm going to buy a Ninja 500 se with good clothes of course. the only thing is that here where i live in the netherlands there aren't really nice routes with long roads to ride on and i don't really have the people or friends around me to ride with but im still very exited!
That's why I own a 650 and a 1000. 650 can be used for anything and still be enjoyable. The 1000 is when you just want to open up on some back roads or at a track. I live in ohio. There are some way out there roads you can ride on where zero people go, and you can really just fly. I'll admit I love my 650. The main reason I got my 1000 was for a cruise control being bmw s1000rr plus it was always my dream bike.
Torque > HP
My 1st gen MT-03 (660cc 1 cylinder) only makes 48hp but it also makes 58Nm (43ft-lbs) stock which makes it loads of fun to ride (and some simple performance mods really makes it a lot better as well). 80% of my riding is on twisty back roads with not the best roads (gravel, dirt, etc. from farmers) so it consists mainly of accelerating and braking and that's where that torque is so much fun.
I did my lessons on a MT-07 (we have mandatory riding lessons) and I wouldn't say that MT-07 was much more fun than my MT-03.
At the end of the day, you're riding to have fun. Constantly going through the gears is part of which makes it fun. On my roads, a 1000 would 80% of the time be in first gear.
Only long highway riding is where it's struggling but it's a big thumper coming from a supermoto, it wasn't meant for that.
I've got an 06 Kawasaki er-5, it makes plenty of power to gap anything in traffic 😂
My Z650 with its 67hp is a blast! This is the perfect bike for me. 100mph is rare and so I can use all of its power and have a great time.
Spite’s recent video of the CB-1000R did very well. I think more people are starting to realize that less is more, especially when it comes to riding on the street. That 140hp is plenty and more than you would ever need. Im sure it will last 100k miles as well
I’ve always had this want to go to a motorcycle dealership demo day and just test ride all the bikes from beginner to advanced performance. Than at the end just see which I prefer as a whole.
Word! Yamminoob... 👍🏻 Even though I'm 54 and been driving for 36 y😮😬 and still driving my Cbr600 😅