Pro Accused Of Motor Doping & Game Changing New Puncture-Proof Tyres - The Wild Ones Podcast Ep.15
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The guys reveal some cool new tyre tech developed with NASA that could mark the end of puncture problems for good. Plus they discuss motor doping accusations in the pro peloton, denim bib shorts, how to keep your training consistent over winter, Lachlan Morton and more.
Here’s the full breakdown:
00:00 Demin Bib Shorts Are A Thing
03:48 NASA Puncture-Proof Tyres
14:37 Pro Accused Of Motor Doping
20:59 Our Top Tips For Riding Over Winter
41:32 Overrated Or Underrated: Bianchi
44:30 Overrated Or Underrated: Lachlan Morton
50:55 Francis Can’t Look Left (FUOTW)
51:58 A Tinder Dating Story
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It’s actually nice that Francis has that “performance obsession” as Jimmy calls it, it adds something to the conversation
Looking good Cade Media. Production values stepping up, lighting, audio, editing all spot on.
Winter is a great time to go to the gym and work on strength. Strengthening core and working on flexibility is great for cycling. Working the leg machines to increase strength and doing lighter upper body workouts is also very helpful. You can save the cycling sessions for days when the weather is good. Variety during the year keeps you from getting stale and keeps you motivated to start training on the road come spring. In very snowy areas cross country skiing and snow shoeing will keep you very fit.
Some people, myself included, are motivated to cycle for the sensation of speed which is *just* as valid a justification to cycle as any other. Performance oriented products, ideas and mindsets absolutely have their place in cycling. I really want to enjoy this podcast as I thoroughly enjoy everything else that Francis, Jimmi and Emily do and create but this is starting to feel a little too awkward a conversation to be eavesdropping on. If I'm having a conversation with someone and they say "I don't care", as much as Jimmi has been in recent episodes, thats usually my social cue to change the topic of conversation pretty pronto. I fully appreciate it's done to introduce an alternative viewpoint but I don't think it'd quite having the desired effect. I dont want to be the harbinger of negativity but feel this is probably worth mentioning for the sake of (hopefully useful) feedback. Regardless of all that, please keep up the good work, I look forward to every upload.
This.
Totally agree with you. When talking about the airless tire being possibly too slow to be an all year tire, Jimmy scoffed as if it’s irrelevant. What’s the point of riding a road bike if you don’t care about optimal performance?
I wouldn’t have been able to put it so accurately, but this is exactl what I feel.
@@WarHammerWHcommuting, travel, health, fun, socialising, just seeing places from a different perspective - there are so many reasons to ride beyond performance and that's why Jimmy scoffed. Most cyclists aren't hyper performance oriented and it was like Francis couldn't even conceive of that!
@@BevandEdMusic Yes I agree, but for those types of cycling you have different types of bikes. If we’re talking road bikes, like racing or even endurance bikes, then performance is certainly important. I think Jimmy and Francis weren’t on the same page here. Francis was thinking of race bikes because that’s the type of biking he likes to do (I assume) and Jimmy was thinking of those other types of cycling you mentioned, but it was obvious what Francis was talking about and I feel Jimmy should have gotten it.
Dude (Jimmy), Lachy CRUSHED the Tour Divide FKT then competed in the Lifetime Grand Prix event 7 days later. Have you seen his Tour De France or GBDuro rides? So NOT overrated.
UPDATE: Payson McElveen, US Professional MTBer and fellow Lifetime Grand Prix competitor just said that Lachy “might be the greatest all-around cyclist in the world.” PM’s creds include…
2x Marathon National Champion 2017, 2018
2018 Singlespeed World Champion
2x The Mid-South Champion 2019, 2020
2x Leadville 100 podium
Bronze XC National Championship 2017
5th Unbound 200 2019 and current Lifetime Grand Prix
You know, I think Jimmy once talked about how gatekeeping is a terrible part of cycling culture, and I agree. But he is always very fast on dismissing as "cr*p" anything as that doesn't interest him. Seriously, I don't think I ever heard him compliment anything
Didn't he pretty much write a love letter to jorts and space-age tires in this very episode? He may not have a roadie mindset, but there's clearly stuff he likes.
He seemed grumpy today and was just saying the opposite to Francis! He does seem to want all riders to ride at 28kph on $4k bikes.
@@robertgale8694 Exactly. He is always grumpy and always saying people are riding the wrong way. "Oh no people want to ride fast that's not real cycling guys stoop 😫😫"
@@Frostbiker You're right, there's stuff he likes. But I guess my point is he is always telling what other people should like or not, or how should they ride their bikes. I gave up trying to listen to this podcast for this reason
He’s quite a negative Nancy and it’s almost awkward to watch. He’s a funny guy but a bit of banter would be nice not just being argumentative
Yes, Fiona is working as a MD at a University hospital. If I remember well, when she won the TCR she was about to or had just finished her doctoral thesis on a cancer related topic, all at the age of 24. With colleagues, she has also authored scientific research articles related to (ultra)cycling.
The thing with Cancellara that made it very suspicious was that he did multiple bike changes with bikes that weren't on the team car AND that his bike was 'stolen' after the race
The way he dropped Boonen on Kapelmuir in the Tour of Flanders was ridiculously suspicious as was his performance in Paris Roubaix also.
That's interesting !
@@urbanjungle9600 I have the full video of the Flanders race and Boonen was having a pretty poor day by his normal standards. He was barely hanging on even before the Kapelmuur.
The gruber assist, which was a hidden motor in the seat-post in the late 00s, provided 200W. This was very likely the motor used to cheat.
Sources???
My way of keeping riding in winter is to just love cyclocross. Mudguards, good winter riding kit, and a group ride with a nice warm cafe is great.
Lachlan demolished the GBDuro beyond belief. He blew away the estimates on his follow-the-TDF effort by multiple days. If he entered TCR he would probably kill it, since most of it is road. So, hard disagree with Jimmy this week.
If he wanted to enter the TCR he'd have to ride self-supported
They did a show on the motor in the frame back when the cancellara feud was going on in NL. The motor added 150 watts for 10-15 minutes.
Those airless tires are basically like wrapping big springs around your wheels, which means you may be able to get them in different stiffnesses to represent different tire pressures that you like. Really cool idea.
Jimmy seems pretty negative about anything performance based or related to pro cycling. I can relate to Francis, just because your not a pro, doesn’t mean your not interested in going fast or performance gear. Keep it up boyz
I live at 300m above sea level in the NW of England and my job requires me to be able to get to some pretty remote places locally so I run a pretty competent car. During the Christmas break a few years ago I had call to drive up the local 25% horror show. Someone head to toe in Rapha, no doubt taking part in the Festive 500, was front pointing up the thick ice on the road using his SPD-SL as crampons; absolute, total madness!
Thank you for the good job and passion. The discussion around the tires was getting on my nerves.
I think performance matters, always. Even for a city bike, you want a degree of efficiency. If the bike is crap, the experience is not agreable. All my familly is using bikes, my wife is going to the train sation with a 35 old 'allround' bike and if the bike is crap and slow, she'll not like it because the effort will be to much. So for example, I have equiped the bike with "old but descent alu road wheels" I had in stock from my old rim brake bikes and gp5000 all season tires that I bought to a friend at 20€ each. It's making a hudge difference to the previous set-up (heavy wheels and crap tires). She never had a puncture. I don't see the point of buyindg "solid slow crap tires" to make the experience less enjoyable ...
Jimmy saying he wears Jean shorts multiple times has given me a weird image of Jimmy rolling around in 'daisy dukes'
Could you guys try and source some motor doping kit for a video? I think that'd be fascinating to watch 😊
Love these podcasts. They are the highlight of my RUclips weekly algorithm! Keep it up Cade Media 🙏👍
Keep up the performance talk, Francis!
Claudio Chiappucci and Carrera entered the chat...
Why is Jimmy always so negative with the riding fast and have fast and comfortable tyres? The whole definition of a road bike is to be fast!! If he wants to ride slow with his grandparents groups he can do whatever he likes or, OR, hear me out he can ride a hybrid bike or commuter bike, way more comfortable. Why he has to sh*t in other's preferences???
If you have gp 4 seasons you can get the benefits of a puncture proof tyre all year round and the added grip.
I like speed but to be pedantic the definition of road bike is a bike that’s suitable for road use 🤔🤷🏻♂️
Hey guys! The podcast is my favorite format on your channel. Super glad you continue it.Topic for one of the next episodes: belt drives. Underrated or overrated? What do you think of them?
With or without gearboxes? Because the ultimate minimal maintenance commuter bike is probably a fixie with a belt.
Imagine denim bibs with a yellow jersey? You’ll look like a minion!!!
Denim bibs and yellow jersey for Halloween it is then 😂
Why is Jimmy SO anti people wanting to ride fast! Each to their own. Some people just want to ride. Many others want to ride fast.
Problem with airless tires on bikes is always going to be that rider/bike weight is always going to be highly differential which highly impacts ride quality. Manufacturers would have to make different tires and sell them based on weight categories to address this. Not sure how scalable is this.
It really depends on how hard it is to install new treads on the airless tire. If it's relatively simple then you can sell them separately, which avoids having to stock all possible combinations of stiffness and tread pattern.
@@Frostbiker good point, could be a modular system...still would need to support tire width/weight combos...but like they said this would be a target for specific categories where perhaps a ton of sizes wouldnt be necessary
For those who don't want to or can't train at home I recommend going to spin classes. You will at least maintain your fitness at the top end. And who knows you might get enough nice Sat / Sun to get endurance miles in.
Dedicated winter cycling shoes is a must - best winter riding investment
I have a pair of the Rossi Denim Bib shorts and they ROCK!!! I love them!
36:00 another bonus when training in hot temperatures: some research shows it can have almost the same effect as altitude training.
In Italian ch is pronounched "kuh." So Bianchi is pronounced "Bee-an-key"
Byang-ki
RYET Carbon Rims Bike build when- was excited for this!
I actually got myself a budget saddle from them and it feels great and is really stiff.
I had the steel rail one because I can't get myself to buy the Carbon one because I don't have a Torque wrench lol
A hotel shower cap is an underrated tool kit item. If its pissing down it normally fits over a cycle helmet and keeps most of the rain out.
Jean 'cutoffs' (shorts from full length jeans with most of the leg-length cut off) are excellent for cycling if worn with padded 'liners'. If you have a leather saddle, where all the seams on the cutoffs come together under the perineum can chafe the saddle, so use a dab of saddle dressing (Brooks Proofide or similar) on the jeans at that spot.
As well as being a lot tougher protection than Lycra for shorts, jean shorts have *pockets*...what an incredible invention...so that you can carry things like keys and money etc just like a normal person on your rides.
Jimmi: If it's not commuting or super hipster not-trying casual rides, it's crap.
The Smart tires would be a massive game changer for my e-bike since the rear tire pops like crazy when the pressure gets close to 50PSI (I ride 650x47 at 60PSI) due to the weight
Love my Bianchi Oltre from 2023 and archadex gravel bike also from Bianchi. The Oltre is so responsive, a noticeable improvement on my old colnago v3rs and 2020 giant propel.
Love you guys, but Jimmy is always such a baby about going fast. It can be fun to ride faster, u don’t have to be pro. Slow or heavy bikes don’t feel as good. If the tyres are slow rolling or heavy it makes th experience worse . I agree with Francis x
Most people who ride bikes are fine with going slow. If we want to normalize riding bikes as a thing we should do instead of taking a car, more bike companies need to realize the market is THERE for regular people on a bike - on bike trails, on errand runs about town. And more things should prioritize comfort and large gear range so that more people ride.
If those denim bib shorts have spandex in them then it could work. My 7-for-all-mankind jeans are about two percent spandex; enabled me to go on wearing them when I ballooned out at the waist prior to my recent surgery, and they fit all through that and now that I'm getting back down toward where I should be they still fit. It's great.
Great chat Team Cade Media. I'm sure there was a road e bike race before, during, or after this year's Giro. I think eurosport covered it during the giro race when the leaders approached the finish of this road e bike race........anyway have a good weekend, Jimmi, Emily & Francis 👍
"Ride with people who aren't dicks" ... brilliant Jimmy! 😂😂😂😂
Great tinder story Paul! :)
In winter I ride outside on the mountain bike on the wet days or if there is a high chance ice on the road. On the road bike on the dry sunny days, and we do have them right through winter. I reluctantly get on the turbo maybe 4 or 5 times a year if I've run out of light or if it's super windy perhaps. Luckily it doesn't get super cold here just around zero at its lowest. To stay motivated I do some sort of training plan every winter, I don't really care about the training goals. It's just a way to have some set riding I'm supposed to do on set days, also to have prescribed rest so I don't over do it. I find overdoing it is more of a risk than losing motivation to be honest. Riding around here ( foothills of the Pyrenees) is pretty fun even in winter.
Just a clarification, Femke was not caught riding the bike with a motor during a race, the bike was found in her pit area during a race, which was a huge violation.
Velotoze Tall Silocone Shoe covers, taped up shoe sole (on the inside) and a good pair of thermal socks works a treat boys 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
Riding in winter here in Sweden means studded tyres and a lot of clothing. This is going to be my second winter here and my first with a 28km commute. I'm not planning on taking the bike every day, but hoping I can maintain 3 days a week as a minimum.
Last winter was fine, though a learning experience. One tumble on ice (despite studs) and lessons learned. Down to minus 10 is fine. Below that is a little unpleasant, no matter what clothing you're wearing.
The British winter is just horribly wet. A very different weather, punctuated by brief periods of black ice and horrizontal snow. Not fun to train in.
I don't have a use for a puncture less tire but I hope it works well. Everytime i experience one on a tool it's nice that I never have to fill it up, but annoying that it's so much more jarring.
My winter riding is probably your summer riding, but full length mudguards are great. Also having a spare light since it can get dark quickly or just be very dark during the day.
Overrated or Underrated ideas: Fixed gear bikes, titanium bikes, brooks saddles, SMP saddles, carbon spokes, bike fits, strength training.
I have trouble finding the motivation to even take a bike outside during the summer, when it's 97f/36.1c and extremely humid, with no hint of a breeze and for some reason, and for some reason people drive worse when then temps go above 80 where i live. I hate summer so much.
Jimmy the “wet blanket “ seemed agitated, Francis keeping it enjoyable. Gary V has done the overrated- underrated for years, he also includes “Properly Rated” as the 3rd option, hint hint 👍🏼
If those airless tires are springy enough to be reasonably comfortable over typical road surfaces and/or "flowy" trails, and provide good traction, I'd be all for them. I have despised the flat tire (puncture) experience my whole life. Hope you can score a pair for testing.
Why not just have Emily as a co-host! 🤨
Seriously. Give her a camera andhave her be a part of it more
Maybe she doesn’t want to
@@rob-c. Yeah, and I could understand why. It just feels a little odd having someone chiming in with good contributions, but is off camera and feels a bit, one foot in and one foot out of the conversation. Plenty of other channels have staff you don't see and personally I think the content benefits when those characters become involved. I'm thinking the recent vids from Mapdec or over on JHS guitar pedals. If it's going to be Case Media and not just Francis. Makes sense to be a bit like Donut and expand the array of faces, keep things fresh
I was going to say the samething.
Need that
Put your turbo in a cold space thats unheated like a garage + single descent fans .... i start off with layers on and strip off .... plus sime people can loose up to 25% power on fixed turbo 😁
Denim is great for commuting. If you have to crash, they offer decent road rash protection. If you are wearing lycra it's only a half step better than naked.
Love the podcast and you both. I'd suggest now is the time for some guests or guest presenters. Locally you have Tony, Ben Chapman and of course Emily to call on for their opinions and their great personalities too.
Love the bike racing with "boost" option.
Where I live there's a lot of zero to sub zero weather in the winter. I get on well with Northwave winter shoes but when it's really cold I might even put overshoes or heat inserts inside. I thought Shakedry was discontinued but Gore sent me an email just this week advertising new jackets so perhaps they're back again.
Fully agreed on the 'have events in May' for winter training. I'll have had the Fred Whitton 3 years running to prep for, as well as my 'Cycle the Nation' challenge in June this year, and 2024 will have the Dragon Ride on top too, Zwift is essential for me, as is good winter gear for club rides at the weekend if it's not awful (in the Lake District - rare) so I can get the hours in and some decent 'hill' training. I've been up to 5 hours on it - but usually 35 -100k rides unless I really need the hours. All I want to do is ride my bike too - and don't need anywhere near £100k to do it!
About undetectable motors,, we only think about electric. But we have lots of ways to propel something further. While combustion engines would be really loud and hard to hide, thermal cameras will also detect anomalies like bearings without proper lubrication AND electric motors since they also generate heat.
But if you build the frame to hold copious amounts of pressure and then use 3 thousnd psi of air to hit some blades like an air tool? Just redirect the exhaust through some baffles and no noise is made, and no heat is created. Even easier, a long co2 canister on the downtube.
BianKey, my wife is from Lombardia , 2 children born there and one child is also called Edoardo !!
Very funny and enjoyable
Lachlan Morton is Bad Ass!
Main winter cycling tip I think you missed is: ride flat routes. Hills are killers in winter because you can't control your temperature, building up heat on the climbs and then freezing yourself on the downs. Plus going fast down hills when wet cold and dark is more hazardous.
I only commute by bike during the winter as it’s the only way I’m getting mid week rides in, 15km each way is better than nothing at all. Will always get a weekend ride in unless the roads are two icy, as I don’t mind riding in the rain.
Re: the e-bike road race kinda stuff and having irl power ups, this makes me think of how F1 has DRS and specific zones you can use it in. Would be cool to see a discipline where you can utilize tech or specific rules as “power ups” that can be tactically used. Super league triathlon has the course shortcut and penalty boxes… what could be done similar in our crit world? Interesting topic.
My go to for winter riding, neoprene socks. If you're in the North-west, you're going to get wet. I resigned myself to that, but at least your feet are warm. Same goes for gloves, If it's super wet, lightweight neoprene gloves will allow the water in, but keep you warm.
Lololol 😂. You two guys.... in your thirties and bemoaning aches and pains. If you're like this now what happens in your 60s or 70s? You guys are funny!
Also, much better content than last week's debacle IMHO, way to go Emily!
That Tinder story was so good!
OMG guys. Its not actual denim. It's normal bibshort fabric, just sublimated.
AG2r only used these for Strade Bianche where they had no top riders. They looked great IMHO. AG2R have influenced the Gravel scene through history. First to have brown bibs and now the jean bibs. They have a Nutella inspired jersey too. They are the forefront of cycling fashion.
"You don't need to be fit all year round, you need to be healthy all year round." Absolutely gold🔥 (titanium?🤔)
About the x-ray test and how often it is done. It’s done daily. The ASO has a van with a CT scan following the tour in which they test frames on a daily basis. Several frames are scanned on a daily basis. I assume they are picked random.
Love Jimmy but it’s ok if riders want to go at their speed with a few efforts or riders that want to push themselves and ride fast, we are all bike riders who have a choice how we ride! 😁
Welcome to Finland for some testing with keeping warm on a ride 😅
Emmily, try Schalbe Marathon plus. In 10 years with them, over all sorts of surfaces, I have yet to have even one puncture. So your comute is safe.
The motor testing can easily be done by hovering a magnet sensitive sheet (see through plastic sheets with integrated magnetic particles) over the bike, that makes it easy :)
UNIQLO has had stretchable denim for over twenty years and are brilliant to ride in.
The clip of the crashed bike on the ground has been explained. There is a video on RUclips of a guy recreating it and showing how easily it can happen
"maybe you're not as good as you thought" - love it.
Having cycled on icy days and crashed its a no go so I swim instead … its warm and the showers are hot ! I love Lachlan and also admire Jenny Graham … lots of films on GCN+… do love these podcasts ❤
Studded tires work great on ice.
Do we have a review on the Ryet carbon wheels yet? I have feedback about mine but I want to put it in the correct forum.
Jimmy's idea reminded me of an idea I had that could be mixed in with his e-bike crit racing idea, which would have the bikes have hybrid road and TT bars so that riders could strategically be more aero in certain parts of the race
That's just TT extensions/tribar clipons being allowed right? Most races ban them for group riding on the basis of safety. Gravel Worlds in the USA said TT bars are fine, but only when solo.
@@MxCraven my idea would be to have a dual brake line system for braking in both the TT bars and the drops bars 😂
Would be great if the spring in the puncture proof tyre could be developed separately as an insert to a normal tyre
Good to see someone not wearing a cap
GC KUSS! The hype is real!
Jimmy you are completely wrong about Lachlan! His FKT on the tour divide took a day of Mike Halls record! If you follow ultra cycling you will see that others in the scene are far more recognised than Lachlan
Never been to Mallorca? Go and make a Mallorca cycling series featuring some routes and spots. Get sponsorship from Mallorca Tourism Board (as if they need it) or just Garmin
Hey guys, testing for motors is really easy using a rebar tester. Very hard to get away with it. Person can just scan the bike. Takes seconds.
41:00 this is exactly what was running through my mind while you where talking about icy roads. MTB is great for all year riding and staying fit. Unless you have to go by car to reach the woods. Well I don't :P I just have to cross the street ;)
If it's icy; MTB and find a bike park. Four hours around Forest of Dean or Glentress will still get you sweaty in the middle of the Grimdark months
one thing that bugs me is people winging about tyre prices. If you've just spent £2,000 (which is a cheap bike in your circles) whats the problem spending £50 (or £100) every year or so on 2 bloody tyres? But its on every channel once a month - ?????
Or, Did you know that Ultegra chain I bought just cost me £40 ??????
Really enjoying these, cheer up Jimmy!
I do the jeans to homemade jeans shorts also. Is there anything that can be done with the waste leg bits?
I heard denim scraps are great for cleaning your drivetrain .
Hello from Canada 4:55
Tannus makes a 26x1.75 tire that is vastly more confortable than the 700c alternatives, albeit having the most rolling resistance i've ever encountered (solid or pneu).
I seem to remember a pro team having denim shorts in the 80s or 90s.
I've been riding late in the summer, but it's getting sketchy because of the dark. What can you say about that?
Metal shape memory alloy. It’s a spring
I once had a Plettenberg brushless motor, the size of roughly a large BB, that would do 1.5kw for 3 minutes on a 7.2 volt battery and a specific controller, that is 1500 watts in the size of half a red bull can. (This was for radio controlled vehicles back in 2005.) So I certainly believe that a 200 watt tiny motor/controller/battery would be no issue these days. Some shops can retrofit "seat-tube motors" to road-bikes for older or injured people, battery goes in a water bottle. I think for that target market it is nice. The capable (this includes me) should just pedal. :P Doubt this sees use in any pro teams, as it is too easy to detect these days. :)
I've recently discovered neoprene socks. Doesn't keep your feet dry, but does keep them warm
Sounds goodish 🤔
I get that Jimmy isn’t interested in the ‘performance’ tech side of it but I hate the constant negativity. This is a cycling podcast for enthusiasts! Would love some enthusiasm!
Not all enthusiasts care about going as fast as possible.
Stole my words here.
I love his cynical approach.
Non-performance people looking to spend £400+ on tyres limits the market a bit though.
I have to agree with Francis, if no-one cared about slow tires then everyone would be riding Marathon Plus and Vittoria Randonneur. I'm not super-tech guy, but I still don't want a tire that feels like I have a flat the whole time.