Nektar CS12 - Modern DAW Control Surface for Less!
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
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⏰ Timestamps ⏰
» 0:00 What is Nektar!
» 2:33 Introducing the Panorama CS12!
» 7:30 Insert Buttons And Plugin Control!
» 8:20 Colour Coding!
» 14:11 3rd Party Plugins?
» 16:40 Fine Control?
» 18:38 The Select Button!
» 20:58 Sends
» 21:37 Channel
» 22:38 Special Automation Modes!
» 25:45 Final Thoughts!
» 26:42 Availability & Price!
» 27:50 Thanks For Watching!
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I bought it straight away. It's the first controller made to work deeply integrated with Logic. Other solutions never worked convincingly with Logic, so I'm happy to be an early adaptor in order to support Nektar for their development effort.
Well well ... the time has come for affordable DAW outboard controllers ... great approach to DAW HI (human interface) with knobs, a motor fader and a usable display
Thanks a lot for sharing
This is brilliant for those who don't just want a set of faders as most controllers offers.
I've used MCU devices in the past and the parameter control always seems to be a secondary thought, whereas this seems specifically designed for plugin parameters and has the colour coding, button per insert slot and 12 rotaries which really set it apart. Not to mention that parameter names are longer than MCU offers so they make sense.
Doesn't need a PSU either which is a real bonus. Could be onto a winner with this!!
I love my CS12. I've just scratched the surface so far, and other than some lag with the fader catching up when adjusting on a channel, this is a wonderful interface.
A superb demo & tutorial. The Nektar tech is a wonderful presenter. I bought one on the basis of this video. An excellent piece of equipment 👍😎
Looks excellent thanks for the great demo
this is awesome!!! if you know you shortcuts this may not be needed but this does give you the closest thing to a ssl that moterized almost like physical hardware.
I’m an SSL guy but I just got to say the single point automation thing is exactly what I’ve wanted for years in cubase
They had a panorama for cubase...I used it but check my other posr
I bought it because of this video
Had some questions, reached out to support one MONTH ago and NEVER heard back…….
i just sold my SSL Nucleus 1, and this is exactly what was missing , so i'm gonna get one of these soon , nice one thanks ,
I also had a nucleus, nothing but trouble for me. Traded it for a MacBook, an LA-210, and I don’t remember what else. Why did you sell yours, my friend? 🎹♥️
Can't wait to have it available for Cubase😍
Looks very promising !
Wow very clever! I usually work in Ableton but have Logic and this device would help me get over the initial problem from being fast in one daw and slow in another. Well done nektar. I have had my eye on the softube console but it’s outrageously expensive and I don’t have much space on my desk. But this is smaller. Albeit I’d prefer if it did work with Ableton also but I might get it for just learning logic. Logic is very pretty.
They will eventually add other DAW's down the road based on what they said at NAMM.
Thanks for the test,
don't get me wrong, I think the controller is very good and I'll buy it when it's set up for Nuendo.
What I absolutely don't understand is Nektar's mapping decision for the Logic internal EQ and Fabfilter Pro Q2. It is reported that Nektar has many years of experience with mapping.
With the Logic EQ, the order of the parameters on the graphical interface of the vst is from top to bottom:
- Frequency
-gain
-Q
and on the controller
-Q
- Frequency
- Gain
With Fabfilter Pro Q3 on the graphical interface:
- Frequency
-gain
-Q
and on the controller:
-Q
- Frequency
- Gain
Maybe there is a logical reason that I don't understand right now, but I would immediately remap it so that it works for me. Which isn't a problem since it's done very quickly, but I'm a little surprised about it.
If I look at the graphical interface on the monitor and then reach for the controller without looking at the display, I would first turn the wrong parameter, so I have to remember it or look at the CS12 display. This doesn't make the work any faster, it just makes it more confusing...
Agree 100%. Freq, gain, Q is far more intuitive and seems to be pretty standard
Wow, do they make Nuendo.
@@Gilyslas In the namm 2024 video from sonicstate, tim chandler reports that the next DAW integration will be Steinberg. I strongly assume that this means Cubase and Nuendeo, since the basic functions are the same.
Amazing this console. I think about to buying it. But I have one big question: It was mentioned that some 3rd party plugins are integrated. But which ones? Is there an overview/ list where I can see this? For example waves plugins. Are they integrated? Or can I map by myself the 3rd party plugins? This would be a great feature.
Well Done.
Incredible piece of gear which I‘d love to be part of a super keyboard controller like the P6 for instance. In German we‘d say the „eierlegende Wollmilchsau“, in English somewhat like „Egg-laying jack of all trades“. I‘d say it would be a MUST for all Logic users.
I want one!!
Been waiting for this for two decades
When can we expect FL Studio and Ableton Live support?
This is what I have been waiting for. I have been mixing on Logic Pro for 10 years…problem is this unit won’t work with my 2011 iMac running High Sierra 10.13.6 OS 🙁
There’s a foot switch output on it - I just saw on the website- did I miss that on this video?
This is important!!!cant wait to buy this!!!
Looks great! Can you use this thing to actually control the instrument on the channel itself ie have a knob for filter, resonance, attack etc? Or just the plugin effects?
Yes you can, and there are two pages allowing you to store the parameters you want to control
please is it possible to connect it to the new ipad Pro 7. gen? 🙏🙏🙏
Will it support MIDI2 plugins such as ROLI Equator 2?
Great idea, but once logic becomes version 11 or 12, will it be defunct
With Nektarine app, it is possible to map functions like: "Create a new Track", "Delete", "Cut on Playhead", etc.??????
It looks like it is well suited to manipulate everything withing a channel strip with ease but I'm not connived of the way how you navigate and manipulate on project level. Things like moving between track, selecting multiple tracks and manipulating multiple tracks will still let me to grab the mouse and keyboard. Maybe a touchscreen so it can show contextual content depending on wetter you are on Track leve or project level with tectonic Feedback (feeling the faders under your fingertips could solve that problem?
Looks nice. I use Cubase and there aren't many controller options for it. I hope, someday, Nektar will write a cubase script for it. Until then I'll take it off my short 'possible controller' list. Looks potentially great for Cubase.
Strange how ableton doesn’t have a high quality channel controller. They are all a big compromise where you need 2 of them. This looks like a perfect combination. I may look into using Logic again just to use this.
I believe it’s called Push 3
@NektarTechnology Thank you. Reason Studios is my main daw. I have Fl Studio but haven't invested the time in learning and using it. Reason is easier or maybe I'm more familiar and comfortable with it. Do you know when you will be mapping Reason Studios with it?I bought a mpc live 2 and when i registered it Akai have me the mpc software 2 with it. Which was cool. I have to learn it too. But Reason Studios is my main daw. Thank you.
How much is the CS12?
$400.
Looks dope but I still love my faderport16, vertical long faders that mimic actual mixers will always be preferable to knobs imo. There's just nothing like having your hands on the board and lining up/down/automation vs twisting knobs.
Yeah one fader is not gonna get it done.
Can i use it with my Harrison MixBus 32...?
Does it works as well with protools?
Will you add Bitwig Studio integration soon? That would be awesome!!!
It will come as a future support update, but I can't say how soon I'm afraid
Waiting for the Reaper version. Also wish the fader was on the right along with a jog wheel. Otherwise very promising.
We've been waiting for this for soooooo long.
....can you make integration for DaVinci Resolve Fairlight functionality please? It's a huge gap in the Blackmagic line-up and film-makers would gobble this up.
Does this controller work with Ableton ? .. without having to spend all day setting it up / mapping it ???
This is super dope. I’m interested to hear directly from a Nektar representative about plans to keep up with software/firmware updates. I love the idea of investing in a DAW controller, but the reality is that Apple, Logic, & plugin manufacturers (new & old) are continually bringing new features and updating. Will Nektar support this device 4,5,6 years from now after the majority of its core audience has already purchased theirs and sales are slowing down?
Glad you like the CS12! Nektar supports all our products released into the market. And yes, you're right that software platform developers and plugin developers are regularly updating their software. Like all other manufacturers and developers, we have to review all such instances based on a priority system, so for example an operating system update that causes ALL users to be unable to use their Nektar product will receive high priority in an update being issued by our development team. And on the other hand a very minor issue created by a plugin developer that affects a very small minority of Nektar users might end up further down the priority line. Applying such a methodology ensures we apply our resources as best possible to address the most impactful needs, and those of the majority of users. And if anyone wants to raise a query or report a possible fault then you can raise a support ticket at the following address, which will typcially be replied to within 24-48 hours (allowing for 24hour time zone coverage)...nektartech.com/submit-ticket/
@@NektarTechnology Hey, thanks for the reply. I definitely trust that Nektar has the resources to keep up with the majority of users' needs in this situation. However, if possible, I wanted to redirect to the core of my question/issue: How many years of software/firmware support are you pledging to provide for early adopters of this product?
Will this be released for Ableton?
Are they planning other DAWs beside Logic?
If yes, which one(s) and when?
He did mention Cubase support coming, but I couldn't find when in the video...
@@noakwesterberg too bad there's nothing for Studio One so far.
Does this work in Reaper?
Great 👍
When can we expect cubase support?
Hi - it's coming soon, actually Cubase and Nuendo are next in line for CS12 support I am told by our developers. I don't have a date yet - but it's likely to be in the next couple of months.
@@markporter4495 Will it be the same hardware for Cubase/Nuendo or is different hardware? (So can I buy already a CS12 and wait for the Cubase/Nuendo software update?)
Joystick on the gxp keyboards please. I daydream of an affordable 88 with a joystick.
Roland is the only one. Too expensive tho
Can I also control the parameters of my softsynths?
Yes
Ive been left with a Panarama P4 rendered totaly useless !! since the last update Nektar released for studio one, ive been waiting for some kind of update to rectify the bug that came along with the update.
I won't bother buying anything from Nektar until they get their act together . The P4 cost me around 400 pounds and now I can't use it as I had intended to use it.
That's really messed up I hope they get it sorted for you very soon.
Sorry to hear about this, did you log the issue with Support? If so, do you have a case ID and I'll be sure to follow up
@@NektarTechnologyI have multiple daw's. Will you be mapping for the other daw's soon?I have @Reason Studios , @FL Studios, @Cakewalk by Bandlab, @Akai Professional Mpc 2 software, @Presonus Studio One Artist... Thank you.
@@NektarTechnology Hello, Thanks for your response ,yes I opened support tickets, I do indeed have case IDS
1) (#56229) October 4, 2023 2:42 am
2)(#56965) October 12, 2023 2:13 am
3)(#56229) October 4, 2023 2:42 am
I hope this helps and I look forward to hearing from you soon. I will place the outcome of this issue here. Many thanks
I wish I could afford one of these bad boys
Having 16 endless controllers makes more sense than 12. The controll can be then purposed now or in the future to do a lot more in terms of sequencing etc.
I got a P6 and a P1 for Reason integration. Reason has never automatically picked these up.
Could you please say that a differetn way? Like the P6 does't work with Reason?
make this full mapped for UAD luna
I owned the previous unit and this looks greatly improved but they still haven’t stepped up to the mark
1. Encoders are not push just rotary, massive miss. 1 press button encoder should do at least freq, gain and q
2. No gestures eg double press etc
Nowhere improved enough for me to buy again
Tbh the support was amazing, product just not refined enough and ui/ux is not by pro mixers...still fatiguing to use
Are the buttons and knobs free assignable?
The 4 x 3 grid of 12 pots are yes, and the soft buttons (under the 4 columns) are yes, and the 4 soft buttons (under the display) are also assignable
@@NektarTechnology Thanks for your anser! I would love to replace the tempo pot. I'd much prefer a scroll function (change the song position) Any chance for a update in the future?
So where's Jack then?
Does this only work with Logic or will it eventually work with Bitwig and other DAWs?
When the software works, yes I think it does.
@@paulmint1775 I will wait then as I dont want to blow my money on something that don't work correctly.
My understanding is that they're rolling out to other DAWs but Logic is the first. It's because they have to integrated it directly to the DAW is why it takes time to get through them all I think.
@@Skijumptoes 👍
🎉
Is this compatible with LPX 10.6?
HOPEFULLY, nektar steps it up quality wise. I love their gear but sadly I went through (3) LX49s and each one of them started sending ghost notes and my modulation wheel and pitch bend wheel started going nuts. I kept buying the LX because I just liked it.. but after my third unit started having the same issues, I went a different route and decided not to look back.
My latest Panorama T6 arrived with aftertouch not working. It was a replacement for a T6 which had a faulty USB port. Dreadful experience.
I like the idea of this but they'll need to provide better evidence their products will actually ship without a shitstorm of issues.
Reaper?
This is okay I guess but to be honest with you the nectar P1 is far more Superior for my needs😮
If anything I really wish that they were making updated version of that😮
That looks nice. When I switch to Logic soon, I'll probably get this.
Ableton just will NOT get their s**t together, so gotta move on.
what is wrong with ableton_
@@cirisirpula152 Are you a serious Live user?
What does that have to do with me being curious what you think the problem with ableton is?
@@cirisirpula152 because I would answer differently depending on whether you've never used it vs a power user.
I am an Ableton user - what’s wrong with it? Despite being ugly? It does work and the dual session and arrangement view is one thing I’ll miss going elsewhere. I haven’t updated yet to 12 because I’m mid project but the only gripe is that it isn’t pretty like Logic. I want to learn Logic and I think this controlller would be a great way to get used to it without getting frustrated with different key shortcuts. I still think session view is a great composition tool and arrangement is great for printing them.
I have a few daw's. Reason Studios, FL Studios, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Mpc 2 software, and Studio One Artist... well this work well with all of them?
FL Studio yes and StudioOne yes, Reason and Cakewalk I'm not sure
@NektarTechnology Thank you. Reason Studios is my main daw. I have Fl Studio but haven't invested the time in learning and using it. Reason is easier or maybe I'm more familiar and comfortable with it. Do you know when you will be mapping Reason Studios with it?I bought a mpc live 2 and when i registered it Akai have me the mpc software 2 with it. Which was cool. I have to learn it too. But Reason Studios is my main daw. Thank you.
How much is the CS12?
The fader is on the wrong side.
Great if you happen to have the latest version of Logic but loads of us don't 😢
Why not? Don't you update?
No dedicated scroll wheel on this thing? Wow!!!
We have just added new support for this "Playhead (jog), Scrub, Nudge, Cycle, Vertical Zoom, Clip gain and of course Tempo" can be controlled via the Tempo knob
That's good to know. Hope it won't involve holding shift or some other button to access the playhead (jog). Look forward to a review showing how this works. Thanks.@@NektarTechnology
This looks very good :) But i have a real issue with buying products from Nectar as i bought P1 Keyboard when it was 1st out and thought it was great until they just stopped supporting it :( Very disappointing that the product was great until they stopped :( And it rendered it useless :( nearly £1k down the drain :(
Hi there, The P1 is still current in our product line and supported. If you have had issues, please contact support.
@@tim.chandler Hello Tim thank you for that but my mistke i have a Nektar Panorama P4 Keyboard Controller this is what i meant to say ... I take it support for this completely forgotten about now?
@@QFXmusic Not at all, we released updates for the P series (P4 included) Logic integration just last year. I'm also planning another P4 update for Presonus integration very soon.
@@tim.chandler Please except my appologie and this is great news as i am building a second studio for my children to use and will get this ingrated in it as the main controller :) Got to say that i may very well put one of these Nectar CS12 in my Atmos studio once it is working fully with cubase and Nuendo :) Thanks Tim
@@QFXmusic No Problem and thanks for your support!
Kinda wanted this until I realized it has no jog wheel...
Beautiful but not available for purchase anywhere in USA. No one has it in stock as of April 1st 2024 and this isn't an April Fool's joke.
What the home recording musician needs is a producer/engineer. Soundchecking your acoustic guitar/voice with two semi-close mics and ambient mic-cing from within a forest of mics is the most hugest pain in the keister ever. The second is programming a drum track. I tend to set the tempo then programme a kick drum rather than use Reaper's AWFUL metronome that leaks badly through cans and counts the bars in a way that I really don't need. I put in a closed hi hat for count ins and breaks. Fill in the rest of the kit afterwards. The biggest single benefit you get from going to a studio is the engineer moving mics in soundcheck trials.
Another thing - plugins is a hundred billion options in highly CPU-consumptive host software and mostly you just use one of about three go-to choices. SCROLL,SCROLL,SCROLL - through useless, useless sounds.
Once these "set-up/soundcheck" things are attended to, a mouse/screen control isn't a problem at all - all you need is the transport - STOP/GO. Three takes. Anything with a small screen display for desk-operation (or any screen at all) is missing the trick - it needs to replace entirely the DAW display on your monitor with analogue-style surface control - but I don't play at the desk. Why would I want to do that?
Otherwise put, the ideal arrangement is a mixing desk that's half the size of the Moon faced by near-field monitors. The DAW screen and midi is on the right hand side for it's occasional set-up use. Underneath this are the boxes-and-boxes of hook-up stuff such as headphone amps/whacking great playback amps/copying stuff/computer/printer/USB-DAT-CD - whatever you use - etc.... that sort of thing. You don't want to be looking at any screens, you need to be properly placed for your near-field monitors.
This Nektar thing is interesting but a "desk" covered in little half-way-house gew-gaws like this isn't where it's at. You may as well have a decent size analogue-style mixing desk hooked up to a DAW. It won't take up any more precious room space than all the shitty little gizmos that plague home set ups. What are you going to do with this? Use it on your lap? Place it in the middle of a large table?
Why does this have to be miniaturised? Who wants "soft touch" buttons or rotaries? When are face-down computer nerds and geeks going to realise that a screen is the last thing you need in your face when making/mixing music and multi function controls and menus are the most annoying, stinking-est thing ever?
What the home recordist needs is release from the desk and screen. The only really useful thing is to easily put up a full-screen display for all the amazing virtual stuff available. Since we must have a screen, make it as big as possible. I use Reaper and a wall-mounted large screen TV display. I can programme drums on a full-screen display without too much pain and I can operate it from anywhere in the room with the mouse for playing/singing to the drums through h/phones. I don't need the mixer for recording and can dump that until it's mixing time...which helps....but I can show the mixer and operate it from anywhere if I want.
There are compromises. My monitor speakers are to my left, I turn in my seat to mix/listen back. This puts my mouse-operated big-screen mixer (Reaper) to my right - not in my eye line but easily accessed. When I'm not recording, I have a clear desk for keyboard/mouse, pen-and-paper or watch football, the only other things are a small interface and a tiny passive mixer to select/blend my CD player, guitar practice amp and the computer audio. It's very "real world" - and annoys the neighbours no end.
Reaper, Logic, Cubase, Ableton etc - you do whatever you like. Why do I need a desk-bound gizmo with a tiny screen? If I want to adjust EQ, reverb on any selected track etc, it's f*ck-off BIG on my screen anywhere in the room and to my right for playback/ mixing.
shallap !!
I really Wish Reason embraced Nektar. more seamless Hardware integration is the missing link for Reason studios
It’s the other way around. Nectar was meant to work seamlessly with Reason.
Hm...I guess you could just use the mouse instead. It is just to much covered here. My opinion only. I think that you can improve workflow by having dedicated controls, and a knob per function system. I guess it is fun to use the nectar but it is much to much put inside this unit. For me, it is not the right thing.
Not a fan of Controllers mapped and tailored to one particular DAW
Works for Me. I use Logic and can use Reason and FL inside Logic
It’s released with Logic mapping but will be updated to work with many more.
@@hakeemsalaam6185Are you able to tweek Reason Rack paramters like the filter, resonance while using them within Logic?
Why are these mapper/controller companies discriminating against user choice of daw?
Because you have to discriminate in order to serve a single niche well and be competitive...
@@GingerDrums I guess it’s a round about way of facing the real issue, why not open it up to the user? All the daws on iPad or the beast of them can be used cooperatively. They would sell more if the device could be exploited in midi, especially with midi 2 fully set. Native Instruments have a keyboard boasted as midi 2. We don’t know the details of what midi 2 actually is. The manufacturers get to implicate the whole of it but from what I gather it’s about ports the adult above those 16 channels, which means there would likely be 128 children for each port, which means; 128 sets of 16 channels with the default 128 cc/pc’s per channel but that is a guess. Whatever the outcome it opens up a lot creative space to exploit with those myriad of creative apps, plugins and daws on an iPad. If they want to compete then competing means stopping monopolising and hedging their own apps and daws.
@@KandMe1 midi 2.0 specs has been published since over a year... Just Google it
SHOW THIS ON PRO TOOLS!!! i know for a fact this is going to fail on PT 😂! However product is great
Only mapped for Logic at the moment. They did say they will be rolling out for other DAW's as well.
@@ShoggyTechTv@ShoggyTechTv I do not think it is worth it. Pro tools is so buggy with third-party applications
Look! don't get me wrong! I love Nektar products but this unit was extremely designed for Logic, even the knobs reflect the colors of Logic's plugins which have no benefit in Cubase for instance. Bottom line, even if it will support other DAWs with of course some integration issues, it will still work flawlessly in Logic.
I would trash my ssl nucleus and buy it straight away if it didn't have that very cheap look
Meh... Nektar is just too far behind the curve. I tried to love my Aura/Aruba, but it's just not there in terms of anything usable and they really don't update to improve on it.
what would you recommend instead?
anything else that has powered faders... presonus, Icon, etc
The other guy looks so bored, poor fella.
WHY🤷♂️🤷♂️ AI is making music now..
No cubase, huh? Blahhh
Only works with Logic 👎
For now
We will be adding support for at least Cubase, Nuendo, StudioOne, Bitwig and FL Studio.
Cette présentation est une dès plus chiante qu'il m'est été donné de voir ici pas une note de musique n'a été joué on à vraiment la sensation que vous vendez tout est n'importe quoi et surtout des choses totalement inutile
Another useless controller when you realize its much faster to control plugins with a mouse.
Trust me, what you need is faders for automation, no fiddling with buttons and submenus.
ow to use NEKTARINE, was trying to Map some basic commands to my CS12 but I couldn't use Nektarine at all, please share a tutorial
So does this only work with Logic? Is it plug and play? I want a controller where I don't have to map every single thing, and to use it in Cubase, Protools, and Reaper! I don't have the patience for that. And it also has to be able to be used, plug and play with all the big plugin companies(put at least 30 different plugin companies in there like Fabfilter, UAD, Waves, Sonnible, Sonnox, Plugin Alliance, etc..). So it just works, plug and play, without a manual! If
When studio one??? When bitwig???