Aye. But the weird thing is after the Franks raid the Viking camp, Bjorn tells Torvi that it's somehow Ragnar's fault. Did that dumbass forget who left Rollo in Frankia in the first place?
@@tremaynemillner Most likely, Ragnar, after raiding Paris, told Bjorn to leave someone as the leader of the "presence" they wanted to leave there (the superby and arrogance of these two...disgusting), anyone except Rollo (as for the Seer's prophecy about the Bear crowned by the Princess). But Bjorn, who didn't know that prophecy and believed in his uncle, left him. So, the fault is both of Bjorn and Ragnar, because they were so arrogant and naive enough to believe that the Franks would have left those forces safe and sound in their lands after Ragnar has broken the deal with them by playing dead, until their coming back in spring; massive error, especially from the Norse king, who was very well aware that something similar had already happened somewhere else: ie, the extermination of his colony in Wessex by Aethelwulf (and Ecbert); but differently from that one, the Franks were totally justified to eliminate the Vikings left behind who didn't accept Rollo's deal with the Emperor.
What is the most interesting about season 4 is that while Ragnar is struggling and loosing himself, Rollo gets everything he deep down always wanted and finds himself.
@@cristinademartini1284 but ragner fell with his honor but rollo with disgrace among his people. even if it was his dream, your honor, family should be greater
@@abdirahmanabdirashid3767 I understand what you say, but I doubt Ragnar fell with honor, because he had promised his people that they would have sacked Paris a second time, and after he failed, he exiled himself for a while. By "downfall", i simply meant that Ragnar was not a "hero", "a legend", but above all, we saw him as ruthless barbarian who wanted to take something which didn't belong to him (Paris) and he never mentioned wanting lands there in Frankia, because he believed, after the Wessex matter, it would never have been a chance of coexistence between their two people and faiths (and for some aspects, he was right). Rollo instead fell in dishonor among his people far before Paris and getting Normandy: he fell in disgraced (and he deserved it) when he first rebelled and fought against his brother in s2, for he had wanted something that didn't belong to him (Kattegat and Lagertha, his brother's wife). But, at the same time, during s2 e s3, he tried to make amends and searched for forgiveness from his brother and people; but they gave it very few, as Ragnar did not do anything to him when Rollo had defended Kattegat and his family from Jarl BorgNow, in Frankia he didn't take away nothing from his sibling (for Normandy and princess Gisla did not belong to Ragnar) and he was trying to defend what was legittimately his, as Ragnar and co. were not forced to attack absolutely Paris: they could have gone anywhere (maybe in Wessex, avengening the slaughter of his colony, of which is duty as their king); but Ragnar, not accepting that Rollo was successfully gaining what he had dreamed once, a place in what he considered Athelstan's world, and because he wasn't the one famous admired by people of a different culture (as Charles and Gisla surely did not admire him, contrary to Ecbert and Cwenthrith), decided otherwise. And Rollo, as the first Duke of Normandy acted by conseguence.
@@cristinademartini1284 reasonable point of view, eventhough ragnar was not right and went after things he didnt own, there is nothing dishonourable in invasions, it was there from start of humanity until our last day. ragnar could have gone to paris due to jealousy of rollo getting what he wanted but i think and as seen through ragnar's pain that he just couldnt bear a brother's betrayel which involves sadness and anger hence attack paris. lastly, losing is never dishonourable, its part of war and life so i believe eventhough ragnar didnt have a very strong cause, he was just an adventerous man who didnt want to settle in one place
@@abdirahmanabdirashid3767 Your point of view is also reasonable, and i agree with you that invasions are a much important part of mankind's history (although, i despise the raping, like the one the two norse brothers did to the frank farm's family... but sadly that's the other coin of war: it is always the innocents who pay the most), but i think you'd be agreeing with me that as it is "allowed" to invade another country, and Ragnar as you said he felt justified doing it because of the pain of Rollo's brother (but i honestly believed it would have been avoided if he had rewarded his sibling with something for his loyalty in s2 e s3; still, it is also true that the foundation of Normandy is an historical fact and it would have happened anyway), it is also justified and, imho, more honorable, doing everything in order to defend yourself from being pillaged, or worse, invaded: hence, the Franks taking Rollo to their side to better know the Norses' tactics of war. One part or another was fated to lose and to win: about Paris, it was fated that the Vikigs would loose, and that the Franks would win.
You can see how many pf the viking warriors weather they hated Rollo or not , family, friends, rivals, enemies were surprised, angry, and even disgusted that one of their own people sided with the Frank's.
Rollo: "Why so angry, brother? Because i obtained what you didn't? The city you dreamed of with Athelastan? Lands for our people? The princess? The real trust of a Christian monarch? Well, If you had treated me better and with honor and respect when I helped you regain Kattegat, this would have never happened."
@cristina demartini "When everyone wanted you dead, I kept you alive." -Ragnar Lothbrooke Rollo was jealous of Ragnar, when he became earl. " How will be ever be equals now brother. " -Rollo Rollo is a treacherous scumbag and even wanted Ragnars wife. He laters on admitted to having sex with her and Bjorn might be his son.
@@teezieb6735 that was in the past; but after Rollo's first betrayal, Rollo: -defied Jarl Borg in kattegat -kept safe Ragnar's wife and children (ie heirs) from Borg -helped his brother regain Kattegat What did Ragnar do to reward these actions: nothing. Loyalty and respect at those time were something to give even in small measure in order to obtain them back. Rollo was loyal to his brother: but after seeing that he never obtained anything, but only staying as his "dog", well he was fed up and change sides. Rollo's second betrayal was in much part Ragnar's fault.
@cristinademartini1284 I hear ya but I'm not feeling it. Once trust is brokenn, it takes forever to regain it. Rollo did all that before he betrayed Ragnar. He betrayed Ragnar more than once. Back in those days traitors were exiled or beheaded. He should be grateful for that alone.
@@madampluto3092that's a good thought that I never captured, it's ironic it took everyone he loved and the man he was to die to finally think differently about life
@@madampluto3092 true that, and from rollos perspective he honestly didnt have anything really going(in his mind) also I think the tragedy isn't merely he betrayed ragnar twice, but the fact that ragnar really loved him and was truly hurt both instances of the betrayal but Moreso the second time
Rollo was only the apex of Ragnar's "break": first, the death of his best friend Athelstan and then the slaughtering of his settlement in Wessex he had worked so hard to achieve by the hands of Aethelwulf. Here Rollo is just defending what rightfully belongs to him.
@@hulkbeast8759 I wish to remind you that it was also thanks to this traitor that Ragnar was still count of Kattegat in s2 and then he became king. I'm sorry to say it, but at this moment Ragnar was reaping what he sowed, as he never showed Rollo honor after he helped him regain kattegat and following him everywhere, even getting almost killed in Wessex. Ragnar took for granted Rollo's loyalty and this is the outcome; the Emperor didn't even after Rollo had defended Paris for the first time by giving the iron hand before the entire frank court; the outcome? Rollo stayed loyal to his father-in-law and even respected him.
Ragnors ambition to take Paris proved to be a disaster... afterwards he lost himself, friends..at the end he was nothing more than an empty shell...the same way Rollo did in season 2... ironically Rollo went the opposite direction in this season.
Funny how one and only one viking changes sides can bring the fear into his former side is that really all it took get some vikings on your side and you put the fear of death into them wow
Ragnar saved his life when rollo killed his own people, I don’t care about their relationship, Rollo killed his brothers so many times while Ragnar was fighting for them
@@katerina9159 and Rollo saved life of his brother's wife and children as well. Did he Ragnar recognized that? Yeah: by disohonoring him in Front of their people by refusing him to sacrifice Jarl Borg's attendant. Loyalty is not something to take for granted, especially in those times: Ragnar did that mistake and he had paid it with his brothers second betrayal.
@@cristinademartini6653 that’s not what I’m saying, I don’t care that he betrayed Ragnar, but he gave the order for his people to be killed, innocent lives, little children, that’s why he has brown eyes
@@katerina9159oh, i'm so sorry: i must have misunderstood what you were saying :-(. I offer my sincere apologies to you. About "giving" the order to kill his people: well yes there were children and women, but major part was hostile men who had refused to accept his deal with the Franks which would have given them lands to settle in and farm (see that eirik going to Rollo at the Paris palace in ep. 1 in order to inform him that _some of them_ weren't content of him becoming Christian and a frank noble), so they were enemies in the Franks eyes who had broken the deal made of not raiding Paris and they were paid for it, and were going to do the same. Therefore the Franks would have done it the same, with or without Rollo's help: Rollo, knowing the dangerous position they were in, instead of them, acted consequently.
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Anyone else notice the look Ragnar gives the back of Bjorn's head. He's like what did I tell you about leaving Rollo behind in Paris?!
Aye. But the weird thing is after the Franks raid the Viking camp, Bjorn tells Torvi that it's somehow Ragnar's fault.
Did that dumbass forget who left Rollo in Frankia in the first place?
@@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 that’s what im saying i was so confused on how that was ragnar’s fault
@@tremaynemillner Most likely, Ragnar, after raiding Paris, told Bjorn to leave someone as the leader of the "presence" they wanted to leave there (the superby and arrogance of these two...disgusting), anyone except Rollo (as for the Seer's prophecy about the Bear crowned by the Princess). But Bjorn, who didn't know that prophecy and believed in his uncle, left him. So, the fault is both of Bjorn and Ragnar, because they were so arrogant and naive enough to believe that the Franks would have left those forces safe and sound in their lands after Ragnar has broken the deal with them by playing dead, until their coming back in spring; massive error, especially from the Norse king, who was very well aware that something similar had already happened somewhere else: ie, the extermination of his colony in Wessex by Aethelwulf (and Ecbert); but differently from that one, the Franks were totally justified to eliminate the Vikings left behind who didn't accept Rollo's deal with the Emperor.
@@cristinademartini1284 i did not understand why they needed that camp . Why not return all together?
Damn thats a sick notice!
What is the most interesting about season 4 is that while Ragnar is struggling and loosing himself, Rollo gets everything he deep down always wanted and finds himself.
You're absolutely right: season 3 and season 4a did a wonderful job in portraiting Paris as the city of both Ragnar's downfall and Rollo's rise.
@@cristinademartini1284 but ragner fell with his honor but rollo with disgrace among his people. even if it was his dream, your honor, family should be greater
@@abdirahmanabdirashid3767 I understand what you say, but I doubt Ragnar fell with honor, because he had promised his people that they would have sacked Paris a second time, and after he failed, he exiled himself for a while. By "downfall", i simply meant that Ragnar was not a "hero", "a legend", but above all, we saw him as ruthless barbarian who wanted to take something which didn't belong to him (Paris) and he never mentioned wanting lands there in Frankia, because he believed, after the Wessex matter, it would never have been a chance of coexistence between their two people and faiths (and for some aspects, he was right).
Rollo instead fell in dishonor among his people far before Paris and getting Normandy: he fell in disgraced (and he deserved it) when he first rebelled and fought against his brother in s2, for he had wanted something that didn't belong to him (Kattegat and Lagertha, his brother's wife). But, at the same time, during s2 e s3, he tried to make amends and searched for forgiveness from his brother and people; but they gave it very few, as Ragnar did not do anything to him when Rollo had defended Kattegat and his family from Jarl BorgNow, in Frankia he didn't take away nothing from his sibling (for Normandy and princess Gisla did not belong to Ragnar) and he was trying to defend what was legittimately his, as Ragnar and co. were not forced to attack absolutely Paris: they could have gone anywhere (maybe in Wessex, avengening the slaughter of his colony, of which is duty as their king); but Ragnar, not accepting that Rollo was successfully gaining what he had dreamed once, a place in what he considered Athelstan's world, and because he wasn't the one famous admired by people of a different culture (as Charles and Gisla surely did not admire him, contrary to Ecbert and Cwenthrith), decided otherwise. And Rollo, as the first Duke of Normandy acted by conseguence.
@@cristinademartini1284 reasonable point of view, eventhough ragnar was not right and went after things he didnt own, there is nothing dishonourable in invasions, it was there from start of humanity until our last day. ragnar could have gone to paris due to jealousy of rollo getting what he wanted but i think and as seen through ragnar's pain that he just couldnt bear a brother's betrayel which involves sadness and anger hence attack paris. lastly, losing is never dishonourable, its part of war and life so i believe eventhough ragnar didnt have a very strong cause, he was just an adventerous man who didnt want to settle in one place
@@abdirahmanabdirashid3767 Your point of view is also reasonable, and i agree with you that invasions are a much important part of mankind's history (although, i despise the raping, like the one the two norse brothers did to the frank farm's family... but sadly that's the other coin of war: it is always the innocents who pay the most), but i think you'd be agreeing with me that as it is "allowed" to invade another country, and Ragnar as you said he felt justified doing it because of the pain of Rollo's brother (but i honestly believed it would have been avoided if he had rewarded his sibling with something for his loyalty in s2 e s3; still, it is also true that the foundation of Normandy is an historical fact and it would have happened anyway), it is also justified and, imho, more honorable, doing everything in order to defend yourself from being pillaged, or worse, invaded: hence, the Franks taking Rollo to their side to better know the Norses' tactics of war. One part or another was fated to lose and to win: about Paris, it was fated that the Vikigs would loose, and that the Franks would win.
Floki: why am I not surprised?
Man i felt that unclee
Watching these old scenes again reminds me how much Vikings declined in the last 2 seasons
Maybe season 5 was bad but the second half of season 6 was realy good actually .
The decline started with this season. It’s still a decent show but it never reached its former height.
@@halfbloodprince5246 I agree that it declined after season 4 but the 2nd half of season 6 was pretty decent...
@@halfbloodprince5246 no season 6 was garbage
Rollo's like that cop that sees the gang on the street corner and tells them to move it along in this scene.
Watching and seeing how powerful this series is
You can see how many pf the viking warriors weather they hated Rollo or not , family, friends, rivals, enemies were surprised, angry, and even disgusted that one of their own people sided with the Frank's.
Rollo: “I’m the Norman Duke now, not a Viking.”
Ragnar: **triggered** “TRAITOOOOOR!!!!”
Rollo: "Why so angry, brother? Because i obtained what you didn't? The city you dreamed of with Athelastan? Lands for our people? The princess? The real trust of a Christian monarch? Well, If you had treated me better and with honor and respect when I helped you regain Kattegat, this would have never happened."
@@cristinademartini1284
Oof
@cristina demartini "When everyone wanted you dead, I kept you alive." -Ragnar Lothbrooke
Rollo was jealous of Ragnar, when he became earl. " How will be ever be equals now brother. " -Rollo
Rollo is a treacherous scumbag and even wanted Ragnars wife. He laters on admitted to having sex with her and Bjorn might be his son.
@@teezieb6735 that was in the past; but after Rollo's first betrayal, Rollo:
-defied Jarl Borg in kattegat
-kept safe Ragnar's wife and children (ie heirs) from Borg
-helped his brother regain Kattegat
What did Ragnar do to reward these actions: nothing.
Loyalty and respect at those time were something to give even in small measure in order to obtain them back. Rollo was loyal to his brother: but after seeing that he never obtained anything, but only staying as his "dog", well he was fed up and change sides.
Rollo's second betrayal was in much part Ragnar's fault.
@cristinademartini1284 I hear ya but I'm not feeling it. Once trust is brokenn, it takes forever to regain it. Rollo did all that before he betrayed Ragnar. He betrayed Ragnar more than once. Back in those days traitors were exiled or beheaded. He should be grateful for that alone.
Floki like I already knew this shit was gon happen
I think Floki knew from the moment Rollo was baptized. That event clearly foreshadowed this.
@@madampluto3092that's a good thought that I never captured, it's ironic it took everyone he loved and the man he was to die to finally think differently about life
@@uglyass9084 Ironic, yes, but not that unusual. That's what makes Rollo one of the most realistic and interesting characters.
@@madampluto3092 true that, and from rollos perspective he honestly didnt have anything really going(in his mind) also I think the tragedy isn't merely he betrayed ragnar twice, but the fact that ragnar really loved him and was truly hurt both instances of the betrayal but Moreso the second time
@@uglyass9084 but ragna had it coming , he really never cared about Rollo's life and happiness , all he cared about was Athelstan ,
yes, I'd been looking for this scene! love the music
in the end rollo broke ragnar so bad he ran away for 10 years ragnar was a failure while rollo rose to greatness
Rollo was only the apex of Ragnar's "break": first, the death of his best friend Athelstan and then the slaughtering of his settlement in Wessex he had worked so hard to achieve by the hands of Aethelwulf. Here Rollo is just defending what rightfully belongs to him.
@@cristinademartini1284 rollo is a traidor
@@hulkbeast8759 I wish to remind you that it was also thanks to this traitor that Ragnar was still count of Kattegat in s2 and then he became king. I'm sorry to say it, but at this moment Ragnar was reaping what he sowed, as he never showed Rollo honor after he helped him regain kattegat and following him everywhere, even getting almost killed in Wessex. Ragnar took for granted Rollo's loyalty and this is the outcome; the Emperor didn't even after Rollo had defended Paris for the first time by giving the iron hand before the entire frank court; the outcome? Rollo stayed loyal to his father-in-law and even respected him.
@@cristinademartini1284 and i wish to remind you that ragnar spare hes life so he could go to paris and become what he became.
@@cristinademartini1284 he stayed loyal because he recieved power from the father in law
Ragnors ambition to take Paris proved to be a disaster... afterwards he lost himself, friends..at the end he was nothing more than an empty shell...the same way Rollo did in season 2... ironically Rollo went the opposite direction in this season.
Well crafted boats
I don't know why but this soundtrack reminds me so much The Witcher.
Funny how one and only one viking changes sides can bring the fear into his former side is that really all it took get some vikings on your side and you put the fear of death into them wow
It wasn't any Viking, otherwise they would of been laughing, it was Rollo a great Berserker who was believed to of descended from Odin him self.
@@righteoussavage1316and brother of the modt famous viking
Its betrayal yes. But ragnars own fault, he never gave Rollo the credit he deserved.
In this case, Ragnar had it coming.
Ragnar saved his life when rollo killed his own people, I don’t care about their relationship, Rollo killed his brothers so many times while Ragnar was fighting for them
@@katerina9159 and Rollo saved life of his brother's wife and children as well. Did he Ragnar recognized that? Yeah: by disohonoring him in Front of their people by refusing him to sacrifice Jarl Borg's attendant. Loyalty is not something to take for granted, especially in those times: Ragnar did that mistake and he had paid it with his brothers second betrayal.
@@cristinademartini6653 that’s not what I’m saying, I don’t care that he betrayed Ragnar, but he gave the order for his people to be killed, innocent lives, little children, that’s why he has brown eyes
@@katerina9159oh, i'm so sorry: i must have misunderstood what you were saying :-(. I offer my sincere apologies to you. About "giving" the order to kill his people: well yes there were children and women, but major part was hostile men who had refused to accept his deal with the Franks which would have given them lands to settle in and farm (see that eirik going to Rollo at the Paris palace in ep. 1 in order to inform him that _some of them_ weren't content of him becoming Christian and a frank noble), so they were enemies in the Franks eyes who had broken the deal made of not raiding Paris and they were paid for it, and were going to do the same. Therefore the Franks would have done it the same, with or without Rollo's help: Rollo, knowing the dangerous position they were in, instead of them, acted consequently.
You are not my brother... never have been.
Guess I’m the only one who hates Rollo.
Oh I fucking despise Rollo.
what's the song
What s The song name?
FATE AWAITS -- TREVOR MORRIS
thanks
The sound track is probably what a person who’s high would jam to.😂
@@drecdec Grazie Andrea, non sai quanto l'ho cercata ;-)
Song name please
that was not suprise for me
1:58
Theme Song name??
Name of the soundtrack??
Trevor morris - Fate awaits
Yuck