WONDERFUL 𝜋ntegral! A Putnam Extravaganza [ Basel Problem Integral Representation ]

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    Today we are going to derive a crazy popazy integral representation for pi^2/6, namely the integral from 0 to infinity of x/(e^x-1). We are going to see, that it evaluates to zeta of 2 times the gamma function, it's going to be amazing! Just wait for the generalization, it's going to be gucci as hell! Enjoy :3
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Комментарии • 167

  • @turtlellamacow
    @turtlellamacow 5 лет назад +88

    The cheap physicist way of doing it: recognize it as the integral representation of the Bose-Einstein function g_s(z) with s = 2 and z = 1 (times an irrelevant Gamma(2), which is one). As is clear from the series definition of the functions, g_s(1) = Zeta(s). Hence the integral is Zeta(2)!

    • @iridium8562
      @iridium8562 4 года назад +11

      Hahaha omg i literally recognized it from the thumbnail! Shit’s in my blood! 😂

    • @oni8337
      @oni8337 3 года назад

      ik this identity from blackpenredpen lol

  • @pranayvenkatesh8815
    @pranayvenkatesh8815 5 лет назад +96

    Exam day after tomorrow.
    Hm.... nah, 13 minutes of Papa Flammy can't hurt....

    • @shahinaa7425
      @shahinaa7425 5 лет назад +5

      Same here lol

    • @pranayvenkatesh8815
      @pranayvenkatesh8815 5 лет назад +6

      JEE mains in 2 days, why am i watching putnam exam solns? The result is absolutely beautiful tho, no doubt.

    • @parthpawar7837
      @parthpawar7837 5 лет назад +2

      @@pranayvenkatesh8815 Same here boi. Which shift?

    • @ashuthoshbharadwaj6703
      @ashuthoshbharadwaj6703 5 лет назад +3

      lolol #flammyflammily

    • @muneebahmad7729
      @muneebahmad7729 5 лет назад +1

      @@pranayvenkatesh8815 me too i have my exams tomorrow 😂

  • @pedrolourenco9520
    @pedrolourenco9520 5 лет назад +22

    I'm guessing the answer is π^2/6 (I haven't watched it yet), blame Dr.Peyam for that :D (he made a video of an integral very similar to this one but the x term is raised to the power of s, where s is a complex number, it's great

  • @karolakkolo123
    @karolakkolo123 5 лет назад +49

    *Papa Flammy:* This integral is breathtaking!
    *Keanu Reeves:* YOU are breathtaking!!

  • @tommasobruggi6614
    @tommasobruggi6614 5 лет назад +14

    This is absolutely wonderful. I can already imagine sort of what is about to come and I can’t wait!!

  • @mark_tilltill6664
    @mark_tilltill6664 4 года назад +2

    I feel so grateful that as an old man, i get to see this before I die. I can hear the symphony that you conduct. Thank you!

  • @kirasguardian6328
    @kirasguardian6328 5 лет назад +29

    Do we have time for *_BONUS INTEGRAL_*?

  • @zaheeruddin323
    @zaheeruddin323 5 лет назад +50

    Gauss or GauB xd

    • @livedandletdie
      @livedandletdie 5 лет назад +4

      Let me help you, Gauss or Gauß

    • @zaheeruddin323
      @zaheeruddin323 5 лет назад +10

      @@livedandletdie Yeah actually hace a spanish keyboard but i can do this, ñçÜl·l xd

  • @thelightningwave
    @thelightningwave 5 лет назад +7

    Hey, I saw this same integral on Let's Solve Math problems. It was done almost the same exact way. Papa Flammy is doing so many integral videos I'm starting to see repeats from other integral solving RUclipsrs.

  • @user-wu8yq1rb9t
    @user-wu8yq1rb9t 2 года назад +1

    *Papaaaaaa*
    It was great, I want to watch it again and again!
    Great
    Thank you so much *My Dear Papa Flammy Mathy*

  • @Rich-Richards
    @Rich-Richards 5 лет назад +1

    I’m quite new to mathematics of this level - this explanation was brilliant. I’m glad you deviate into simpler(ish) problems.

  • @patricksalhany8787
    @patricksalhany8787 5 лет назад +11

    You remind me of our friend who said "...and wheeler!!!".

  • @CarlosGomes-yc3nm
    @CarlosGomes-yc3nm 4 года назад +3

    Love you papa, love me back

  • @The_Professor_S_
    @The_Professor_S_ 5 лет назад

    Gotta love the merch Papa Flammy is putting out.
    That’s not a meme, I genuinely love your merchandise

    • @The_Professor_S_
      @The_Professor_S_ 5 лет назад

      Flammable Maths Papa, I know that me and my fellow mathematicians typically just meme in the comments but seriously, thank you for keeping my love of mathematics alive (despite my university’s maths department’s desperate attempts to make everyone hate maths). I always enjoy your videos, how you can educate and entertain at the same time. Thank you for what you do

  • @mr.champion7304
    @mr.champion7304 5 лет назад

    2:21, actually, this can be converted to a geometric series starts at k=1(which is, the sum of z^k, from k=1 to infinity). Since the formula for that is z / (1-z). Then, the summation can be moved outside of the integral. This gives us the integral of x*e^(-k*x) from 0 to infinity. As you can probably notice, this is the Laplace transform of x. So, the integral can be replaced with 1 / k^2. Now, this gives us the sum of 1 / k^2 from k=1 to infinity. Which it just pi^2/6.

  • @ANunes06
    @ANunes06 4 года назад +1

    "We can actually Fubini this shit." XD

  • @jensbauer1141
    @jensbauer1141 4 года назад +1

    I love your integeral science!

  • @jimklm3560
    @jimklm3560 4 года назад

    It was just incredible, i hate it when i see a solution that i could figure out myself (but quitted trying too soon).

  • @505steel
    @505steel 4 года назад +1

    That was beautiful

  • @wilhelmsarosen4735
    @wilhelmsarosen4735 5 лет назад +1

    Did a change of variables after the geometric series trick, ended up with the Besel sum times an integral that went to 1 nicely, despite the fact that it involved zero times infinity.

  • @shayangfkk7948
    @shayangfkk7948 3 года назад

    back in 17s if you where a master of this integarahl you would be an amazing physicist .
    this thing is everywhere in stat mech .

  • @shandyverdyo7688
    @shandyverdyo7688 5 лет назад +9

    Hey, are you Jens Fehlau?
    I saw u on quora's recommendation for no reason. LMAO.

  • @koenth2359
    @koenth2359 5 лет назад

    WOW Flammy is back! Welcome to anor video with the oiler macaroni consent.

  • @herrjonatan5436
    @herrjonatan5436 4 года назад +1

    Beautiful

  • @aymenkhiar1085
    @aymenkhiar1085 4 года назад +1

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  • @pradiptabora518
    @pradiptabora518 5 лет назад

    Papa there is a simpler solution by making the substitution e^x=u. After simplifying the integral that we obtain we find that it equals intergal from 0 to 1 of ln u/u-1. This is equal to intergal from 0 to 1 of ln(1-u)/(-u).
    Expanding ln(1-u) by its Taylor series we easily get Zeta2 as the answer.

    • @anasazeem2005
      @anasazeem2005 Месяц назад

      I too did it this way. Don't know why very few did this way.

  • @TheNinjaDwarfBiker
    @TheNinjaDwarfBiker 5 лет назад +4

    Boi what are you adding in that big sigma.

  • @ElDiarioLudita
    @ElDiarioLudita 5 лет назад +1

    I have so much homework... so, one video of integrals arent be bad.

  • @peterdriscoll4070
    @peterdriscoll4070 4 года назад

    Go papa flamy. You inspire me.

  • @haradhandatta4824
    @haradhandatta4824 5 лет назад

    Thanks. Nicely Explained.

  • @tiagonata1734
    @tiagonata1734 3 года назад

    Me, watching this without even finishing limits:
    I can't understand shit but I like it

  • @2neutrino
    @2neutrino 5 лет назад

    integral of x/(e^x+1) from 0 to infinity = pi^2/12 coool

  • @birupakhyaroychowdhury974
    @birupakhyaroychowdhury974 5 лет назад +1

    Wow man.....just loved it.....!!!!😘😘😘

  • @SloomFusion
    @SloomFusion 5 лет назад +10

    PAPA could you do this bad boi ?
    Integral from 0 to infinity of
    (sinx)^2/(1+x^2)

  • @guillaumedeplus7727
    @guillaumedeplus7727 5 лет назад +1

    Nice video as usual, i was thinking of another factorisation : x/e^x * 1/(1-e^-x) then using taylor series, you get the same result

  • @atraps7882
    @atraps7882 5 лет назад +43

    Can papa flammy bless me for my engineering entrance exam tmr???

    • @nootums
      @nootums 5 лет назад +9

      Mains? All the best!!

    • @shahinaa7425
      @shahinaa7425 5 лет назад +10

      Lol. That's what the flammily does, watch an upload with jee mains tomorrow.

    • @GeodesicBruh
      @GeodesicBruh 5 лет назад +6

      remember that Pi=e=2

  • @aengusroberts2685
    @aengusroberts2685 5 лет назад +1

    Papa Flammy gonna prove the Riemann Hypothesis next video confirmed?

    • @aengusroberts2685
      @aengusroberts2685 5 лет назад

      @@PapaFlammy69 Did you run out of margin space on the chalkboard?

  • @mohammedal-haddad2652
    @mohammedal-haddad2652 5 лет назад

    I enjoyed this integration as much as enjoy my favorite movie.

  • @perch3428
    @perch3428 4 года назад +2

    Isn't the integral from 0 to infinity of (x*e^(-kx)dx) the laplace transform of x? Wouldn't that be an option? (It's 1/(k^2) too soooooo)

  • @hebrewwolf6540
    @hebrewwolf6540 4 года назад

    Where did you buy that watch? It looks great. Maybe you should contact the manufacturer and have them sponsor you 🤣

  • @gloystar
    @gloystar 4 года назад

    5:02 Very smart move.

  • @williamallen9145
    @williamallen9145 5 лет назад

    This can be a quick infinity boi, any integral of this form with x^(s-1) on top is Gamma(s)Zeta(s). xD

  • @AndrewDotsonvideos
    @AndrewDotsonvideos 5 лет назад

    yata desu ne!

  • @process6996
    @process6996 5 лет назад +13

    You really should get into probability. I think you'd really enjoy it.

    • @neilgerace355
      @neilgerace355 5 лет назад +20

      Probably

    • @rot6015
      @rot6015 5 лет назад +5

      @@neilgerace355 i love you

    • @griffisme4833
      @griffisme4833 4 года назад +1

      Probability is the worst part of math.

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      @Ryan-gq2ji 4 года назад +1

      @@griffisme4833
      I love you

  • @OtiumAbscondita
    @OtiumAbscondita 5 лет назад +1

    What is that watch you have?

  • @1nd93dk3
    @1nd93dk3 4 года назад

    1st anniversary of this video!

  • @nellvincervantes3223
    @nellvincervantes3223 5 лет назад +1

    You should also make vids about physics. Named Flammable Physics. Or even chemistry.

  • @jony7779
    @jony7779 5 лет назад

    I really want one of those infinity boi shirts, but it seems like the merch site can't ship to where I live (California, USA)? Can I still get one somehow?

  • @rot6015
    @rot6015 5 лет назад

    madlad

  • @mudkip_btw
    @mudkip_btw 4 года назад

    This video helped me solve the same integeral but with x^2, gonna start doing more integrals i think, getting kinda rusty during the holidays >.< Also need to learn some of the rules like interchanging summation & integration more uhm.. yuck.. "rigorously"

  • @benjaminmcc5472
    @benjaminmcc5472 5 лет назад

    Just about to watch a Great Video

  • @user-kr6bp4zi2y
    @user-kr6bp4zi2y 5 лет назад +2

    e to the negative teeth power /o/

  • @averagegamer9513
    @averagegamer9513 Год назад

    The captions at 10:15.

  • @chikyushimin
    @chikyushimin 5 лет назад

    It would have been a lot easier if you had set the integral from 5:54 to be equal to the derivative with respect to k of the integral of e^-kx, using Leibniz's rule, and then solve the integral (which is 1/k) and take the derivative and ends up with the Basel Summation.

  • @Sarika428
    @Sarika428 4 года назад

    Who else first saw the pi-loroid and thought that 3 blue 1 brown is here, then realised it isn't true, but still stayed for it?😀

  • @Ryan-gq2ji
    @Ryan-gq2ji 4 года назад +5

    5:32
    wait what the hell you can do that??

  • @memyselfandi9051
    @memyselfandi9051 3 года назад

    I think that I love 😂❤️

  • @danpoles2864
    @danpoles2864 5 лет назад

    where do you learn all this??? do you have books or lectures that you could recommed for me to learn??

  • @shandyverdyo7688
    @shandyverdyo7688 5 лет назад +1

    More integral equation pleaseeeeeeee!

  • @oraz.
    @oraz. 5 лет назад

    Papa bless

  • @kizyzo1348
    @kizyzo1348 4 года назад +1

    That's actually the Bose Integral at n=2.

    • @PapaFlammy69
      @PapaFlammy69  4 года назад

      sure

    • @kizyzo1348
      @kizyzo1348 4 года назад +1

      holy cow I got a heart and reply from papa!!! My day is made :)

    • @PapaFlammy69
      @PapaFlammy69  4 года назад

      Sure thing my Kizyzo boi :p

  • @ShreyAroraev3
    @ShreyAroraev3 5 лет назад +1

    test: if papa flamy likes this, hes def using a bot

  • @leafbaguette
    @leafbaguette 5 лет назад +1

    6:26 I'd've used papa feynman, but okay

  •  5 лет назад

    Halfway, it would be faster if you used the gamma function or Laplace transforms. To learn more visit the Mathematical Facts group on Facebook.

    •  5 лет назад

      @@PapaFlammy69 Nice.
      Congrats on your channel. I am a mathematician from Brazil who loves solving integrals and series.

  • @juanpiedrahita-garcia5138
    @juanpiedrahita-garcia5138 5 лет назад +1

    could you use complex analysis?

  • @TheNachoesuncapo
    @TheNachoesuncapo 5 лет назад

    What a watch ma boi

  • @khemirimoez8661
    @khemirimoez8661 5 лет назад

    Consider my breath taken

  • @harrygreen9804
    @harrygreen9804 5 лет назад

    Papa

  • @excavator69931
    @excavator69931 5 лет назад +1

    Why didn't you just taylor expand e^x, cancel the two 1's then cancel the x's on the top and bottom, and just take the a.derrivative of a power

    • @excavator69931
      @excavator69931 5 лет назад +1

      @@PapaFlammy69 is this really putnam btw?

    • @excavator69931
      @excavator69931 5 лет назад +1

      @@PapaFlammy69 But great video as always

  • @JCResDoc94
    @JCResDoc94 5 лет назад +3

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  • @nathanielh4131
    @nathanielh4131 5 лет назад

    Did you check the interval of convergence for the geometric series? ;)

  • @mohammedahmed7126
    @mohammedahmed7126 5 лет назад

    awesooooome

  • @hyunwoopark9241
    @hyunwoopark9241 5 лет назад +1

    I am a simple person
    I saw RANDOLPH I clicked

  • @davydeprez642
    @davydeprez642 5 лет назад

    Why dont you solve this using complex integration? instead of using x use z^2 (yes squared, else you wil get a zero) and chose a rectangular contour with hight 2*pi*i

    • @davydeprez642
      @davydeprez642 5 лет назад

      so the function for the contour should be z^2/(e^z-1)

    • @davydeprez642
      @davydeprez642 5 лет назад

      this technique will also work for every odd power of x i think :)

  • @parthpawar7837
    @parthpawar7837 5 лет назад

    Papa putting those "Putnam" in the title again :v

  • @TheAvoca1989
    @TheAvoca1989 5 лет назад

    good

  • @aeroDidge
    @aeroDidge 5 лет назад

    do you know how to solve that equation algebratically: (4x+2)^(1/x) = 2. thanks for that ;) great stuff anyway

    • @ДмитроПрищепа-д3я
      @ДмитроПрищепа-д3я 5 лет назад

      2^x=4x+2
      k = -x - 1/2
      2^(-k - 1/2) = -4k
      2^(-k) = -4k*2^(1/2)
      2^k = -1/(k*2^5/2)
      k*2^k = -2^(-5/2)
      k = W(-2^(-5/2)ln(2))/ln(2)
      x = -W(-2^(-5/2)ln(2))/ln(2) - 1/2
      No solutions in elementary functions as far as I know. The Lambert's W-function gives us two solutions here.

  • @triton62674
    @triton62674 5 лет назад +1

    𝗪0𝗡de𝗥𝗙𝗨l

  • @atrimandal4324
    @atrimandal4324 5 лет назад

    Integrals ❤️❤️

  • @benjaminmcc5472
    @benjaminmcc5472 5 лет назад

    Papa Flammy you should do some question from the AIME exam!! Would be cool to see how you approach them.

    • @OtiumAbscondita
      @OtiumAbscondita 5 лет назад

      ANIME exam?

    • @benjaminmcc5472
      @benjaminmcc5472 5 лет назад

      @@OtiumAbscondita artofproblemsolving.com/wiki/index.php/AIME_Problems_and_Solutions

  • @sebastienlouchart2270
    @sebastienlouchart2270 5 лет назад +1

    Great video. I'm disappointed you don't take the steps to prove 1) the integral actually converge 2) you may express 1/1-exp(-x) as a serie and 3) you may exchange sum and integral signs. I guess it'd be boring and make a video too long, though. Anyway, I gave it a try myself and here's my approach (it's long), I give another more direct approach at the end.
    I = int (0, inf) x/exp(x)-1 dx
    f(x) = x/exp(x)-1
    fonction f is continuous over ]0, inf[ => can be integrated over it
    I isn't improper at x=0 because
    lim 1/f(x) = lim exp(x)-1/x = lim exp(x)-exp(x0)/x-0 = exp(0) = 1
    => f is continuous at 0 with f(0)=1
    I is improper at x->inf
    x > 1 => f'(x) < 0 => f is strictly decreasing over [1, +inf[
    x > 1 => f(x) > 0
    let g(x) = 1/x2
    lim (x->inf) f(x)/g(x) = lim x3/exp(x)-1 = 0
    => f(x) = o(g(x))
    f and g are of same sign (positif) for x > 1, g is riemann-integrable over [1, +inf[ with a convergent integral (Riemann)
    => a domination criterion is therefore met => I converges
    Calculation:
    I = int(0, inf) x.exp(-x)/1-exp(-x) dx
    we write 1/1-exp(-x) as a serie
    which is the geometric serie with ratio exp(-x) that converges for any x > 0 (the case x=0 is pesky)
    1/1-exp(-x) = sum(k=0, inf) exp(-kx)
    I = int(0, inf) x.exp(-x).sum(k=0, inf) exp(-kx) dx
    we put back the term exp(-x) into the serie and we rescale the index
    I = int(0, inf) x.sum(k=0, inf) exp(-(k+1)x) dx
    = int(0, inf) x. sum(j=1, inf) exp(-jx) dx
    we put back the term x into the serie as well (the serie is still convergent as exp(-kx) is always negligible before x
    I = int(0, inf) sum(j=1, inf) x.exp(-jx) dx
    We then prove the serie to be uniformly convergent before applying the serie-integral inversion theorem
    The serie sum(j=1, inf) x exp(-jx) converges uniformly toward f
    because
    norme_sup (fn(x) - f(x)) = sup(abs(x.exp(-jx) - x/exp(x)-1)
    = sup(abs(x.exp(-jx)(exp(x)-1) - x // exp(x)-1)
    = sup(abs(x(exp(-jx)(exp(x)-1) - 1) // exp(x)-1) = 0
    Let's exchange sum and integral signs
    I = sum(j=1, inf) int(0, inf) x.exp(-jx) dx
    let u=jx, x = u/j et dx = du/j, bounds don't change
    I = sum(j=1, inf) int(0, inf) u/j.exp(-u) du/j
    = sum(j=1, inf) 1/j2 int(0, inf) u.exp(-u) du
    we see int(0, inf) u.exp(-u) du = G(2) = 1! = 1 (Euler's Gamma function and factorial as you pointed)
    I = sum(j=1, inf) 1/j2 = z(2) = pi2/6 (Riemann's / Basel Problem as you also pointed)
    Another way
    let
    zeta(x, q) = sum(k=0, inf) (k + q)^-x for q natural integer and x real
    we prove that zeta(x, q)G(x) = int(0, inf) t^(x-1)exp(-tq)/1-exp(-t) dt
    immediately, it comes that I = zeta(2)G(2) with q=1 et x=2

  • @arkitray1543
    @arkitray1543 4 года назад

    Can u evaluate thia integral but instead of the x in the numerator can u have x^2, I want to see what a general result would be....

    • @PapaFlammy69
      @PapaFlammy69  4 года назад

      Alreafy done! Check the integrals Playlist :)

    • @arkitray1543
      @arkitray1543 4 года назад

      Is it the zeta gamma extravaganza

  • @carlosv.ramirezibanez3305
    @carlosv.ramirezibanez3305 5 лет назад

    GOD

  • @keithmasumoto9698
    @keithmasumoto9698 5 лет назад

    すごい! 登録しました。

  • @juanpiedrahita-garcia5138
    @juanpiedrahita-garcia5138 5 лет назад +2

    Can't you just use some complex analysis?

  • @giorgosbountouris6775
    @giorgosbountouris6775 4 года назад +1

    i cant understand complex calculus

  • @tszhanglau5747
    @tszhanglau5747 5 лет назад +1

    Hot. How about other values of zeta function times gamma function?

  • @yajurphullera9396
    @yajurphullera9396 5 лет назад

    Why is there -1/12 on your tshirt?

  • @benjaminmcc5472
    @benjaminmcc5472 5 лет назад

    Infinity Boi
    8

  • @abhinavmishra8923
    @abhinavmishra8923 4 года назад +1

    I'm in India, how can i buy it??

    • @PapaFlammy69
      @PapaFlammy69  4 года назад

      My Merch? Over on my Teespring shop

  • @yvangogh6655
    @yvangogh6655 5 лет назад

    >mfw sugoi desu

  • @juanjuan-mi4gi
    @juanjuan-mi4gi 3 года назад +1

    Bose Einstein integral for s=2.....!

  • @BC-zn2ur
    @BC-zn2ur 5 лет назад +1

    Can Papa Flammy bless me for my exam in 3 hours?

  • @postbodzapism
    @postbodzapism 5 лет назад

    Can you do a video on \zeta(4)

  • @TheRedfire21
    @TheRedfire21 5 лет назад

    mmm tasty basel boiiii

  • @daviskeene363
    @daviskeene363 5 лет назад +2

    Wow I'm here early...

  • @surajpalsingh1011
    @surajpalsingh1011 5 лет назад

    I got zero as the answer of this question

  • @靳歙-q9w
    @靳歙-q9w 5 лет назад

    OMG WTF QAQ I don't no what you say??

  • @ShreyAroraev3
    @ShreyAroraev3 5 лет назад

    pi creatures!!!

    • @ShreyAroraev3
      @ShreyAroraev3 5 лет назад

      do u use a bot to like everything? excellent move!

    • @ShreyAroraev3
      @ShreyAroraev3 5 лет назад

      Your channel is amazing! Where did you study math from?

  • @alse72
    @alse72 5 лет назад

    Have you ever thought about doing videos about tetration and other 🅱️S like that?

    • @alse72
      @alse72 5 лет назад

      @@PapaFlammy69 yes^yes^yes^... = -W(-ln(yes)) /ln(yes)