In my opinion, Mos Def was saying that hip hop is being reduced to its lowest form. Hip hop stood for lyricism, word play and the intelligence of putting words together in a ghetto poem or story. We used to applaud the lyrics, now hip hop has been debased to a beat, a dance and simple rhymes. RIP hip hop.
We still got J Cole Kendrick just to name two who stimulate our collective consciousness and when in need listen to Ra some Public Enemy public radio college stations also give a better 360 of the art form not being commercial we got options my brother
😂😂😂😂 He dissing that man and it was funny what he said but it’s not Drakes fault that his music can be played from NY to Berlin ,Kids from all different backgrounds like him plus not everyone is from the ghetto
@@sdotsimbaaa1624Drake perfected the mainstream algorithm, and accepts, all narrative pushing subjects from the labels. Bigger discussion etc. The issue with Drake, and many other "big names " thruout history is character. For example, The groups, "Earth wind and fire" and "the gap band", members were at the L.A. riots, so was dmx. LL Cool J didn't step up, Mc hammer didn't, Not wutang.. etc... Hip-hop, is character, being genuine. That's what Mos Def wanted to point out. I don't defend pedophiles or murderers, do you. Is a greater analogy.
@sdotsimbaaa1624 You don't have to be from the ghetto to appreciate lyrical art or to enjoy storytelling. Clearly it didn't take long for hip hop up to and including rap to speed like wild fire and be embraced by suburbia America and eventually the planet. Think poetry. It is enjoyed all over the world. Now add a beat.
Everyones comprehension skills is low. Mos def said specifically 'Where is the Message I can use" its not about him being played in target or donating money, its about drake being the biggest artist in the world with no message.
@@itsuknoro Mos Def was asked specifically about Drake, he is the focus of this convo. What Jay, Wayne or anyone else didn’t do is irrelevant. However, it does expand on his point about having a useful message in music. Drake and all big artists alike should strive to influence the culture/humanity in a more meaningful way.
@@teeeeee3606 are u dumb?? We had a black president and he couldn’t do shit.. the fuck u think these rappers can do? Artist are not world leaders no matter how much influence u think they have.. they dont have the power to change shit.. kendrick speaks up every album about that shit.. what has that done besides make him richer?? What has Kendrick changed or influenced for the greater of humanity????
When they're only comeback is calling you a crackhead...you kind of won. That’s like telling someone "they lack the ability to use emotional intelligence due to their disconnect with self" and they respond with "That’s why you ugly" 😂😂😂
Drake is just upset because the interviewer asked Mos Def a question and He paused and gave a honest answer He basically was saying Drake is not a rapper He is not really the culture Mos Def is a living legend Drake intelligence isn't in on Mos Def level Mos Def got Writing and Freestyle ability
In all honesty Most and Drake shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence. This is ridiculous. This is like comparing the photographer that takes family photos at Walmart to Picasso🤦🏿♂️
I kinda feel bad for Joe having to have these hip-hop conversations with Ish and Ice, you kinda miss the old cast in times like this, Mel even has more understanding of the art form and the context
All of this back and forth has only completely confuddled Mos Def's main point.This level of talk transcends the music, it's about impact on the culture and humanity at large. Everyone is translating Mos's comments as hate when objectively speaking it's just factual. Drake, who is literally my favorite artist, is creator of amazing, globally digested and loved music. But he has never been a prominent voice for humanity. He's influenced many after him in the artistic space but has yet to challenge his listeners to be better people. These are qualities that separate the MC's from the rappers. Those who do it for the culture vs. those who do it for the flowers.
When are you guys are going to wake up and see the truth .... these guys are THEM and like them they paid to brainwash you with light-skinned black faces to be ok with them dumbing down and weaponizing our music and culture the fact that Drake is a GUEST and a industry built rapper in our culture, he is not even from this country and he could disrespect one of our icons? - Drake who hand delivered Sexy Red to your children? THIS is why we as a people get no respect ... they can give us MONEY and we will except anything from them.
Nobody wants to hear Drake speak on humanity.. yall barely wanna hear the shit he’s actually great at! What has any rapper speaking up done?? Barack Obama couldn’t even change shit around this bitch but yall want Drake to step up??? For what???? The fuck is Drake gonna do?? Kendrick give messages every album.. the fuck has that done besides make him richer???
He literally had a 5 year run. 98-03. Year of the dog came out in 06, went #2, 125k sold first week. Cool. Didn’t drop another album for 6 years and it didn’t do well. That’s a 5 year run lol
@@drewlavayand real talk and then there was X was like 60% garbage maybe 70% for real I was freakin hurt after those first 2 albums. 3 album was living off those and the single period.
I'm the one who interviewed Mos Def in the now viral clip. The full 2HR interview lives only on my Patreon, which most people won't watch in full. But Joe seems to be the only one who understood the breadth of what Mos was saying. Some of the co-hosts think Mos was defining hiphop *sonically* in which case, YES Drake's music obviously qualifies as hiphop. But Mos was talking about the messaging of hiphop not just the sound. Instead, to use hiphop as a tool (not just an entertainment device) to speak on behalf of disenfranchised people. Not necessarily all the time, but for sure when the time calls for it (such as current crisis in Palestine). I'm a Drake fan too but when push comes to shove, I find Mos Def's music more valuable. Joe also caught the undertones of Mos being muslim and drake being jewish. I've watched a lot of discourse on this topic and Joe Budden's show is one of the few platforms to engage the topic with any kind of nuance and complexity.
It’s ok love mos was speaking to us who understand like Joe said they only speak hip hop aka dumb shit real new they know nothing about make you think why we support them
Although his feature with Wayne on his last album Exodus, you could literally hear the excitement about working with Wayne. I really love that song Who Let the Dog Out. I really love that last album and he got to work with so many great artist in even in his interviews you could tell how humble he was to realize so many artists respect him so highly. It's like he never fully appreciated how amazing he was. There will never be another x.
Mos said Drake doesnt make music that speaks about the communities that hip hop represents and originated from. And DMX definitely was world wide but his deals were garbage. Drake is being carried to the top by the suburbs.
DMX, for all his fame and success, was a victim of the same system that Mos described. He spoke about it. Drake is a product pushed by that system because he stands where they tell, raps about what they approve of and shuts the hell up on cue.
Disrespecting Mos Def is blasphemy “Black on Both Sides” is a hip hop classic Mos always kept it conscious he’s the real deal he is hip hop he can say what ever he wants he earned his keep in this shit. When is the last time drake stood up for oppression or said anything conscious in his music? Where’s his Brenda got a baby or Keisha song? He just plays it safe he’s nothing more then a MC hammer or a puffy with a bunch of ghost writers making his music nothing comes from him. it’s like what Tupac said there’s gonna be rappers with little nuts playing it safe or there’s gonna be the one with big nuts that’s gonna rap against the system
@janetsmith682 His father is black. But point taken I guess. The fact is he is mixed and Canadian. Hip hop at its core is African American expressive genre and culture. Yet Eminem managed and he is fully white but American and grew up in Detroit immersed in our culture. So yeah Drake is missing the components.
Mel was talking about Mos Def “Ecstatic” album. And she’s right, you can’t find it on platforms because he pulled all his albums to be on his website. You can actually RUclips search and listen to it though. It’s still up.
Mos Def wasn’t talking about what Drake should do with his money, he was saying what Drakes obligation as a hiphop artist is. Which is to use his voice to promote change system wide. To critique society at some point. That’s something Drake has never done. He’s an amazing artist, a great rapper.. but hiphop comes with the previously mentioned responsibility .. at least from Mos Defs view.
Drake not obligated to use his voice that way. Boys will say that shit about him, but they not holding boys like Wayne to that standard. Most popular blacks rappers don’t use their voice in that way. And even if Drake did, boys will accuse him of being fake.
Rap and hip-hop are not the same they rap on sesame Street Rakim speaks to elevation of self not glorifying drug selling being righteous holding sisters down not old school but eternal
Drake just mad Cause Yasin Bey is right about Drake, Drake has no message to his music and that's what Kendrick Lamar exposed about Drake. Drake is a no message having Colonizer
Drake has no real rebuttal to what Mos said because he knows he makes commercial hip hop, this is just one of those "its not what he said its how he said it" idk how calling him names is gonna change facts. Just get in the booth and "say whats real"
It's interesting, the way that I understood Mos Def's critique of Drake's music was that it wasn't political. When you view Hip Hop through a historical context, the music, the aesthetic is rooted in being anti-establishment. Where as Drake's music is more palatable to mass consumption: it's packaged beautifully for mass appeal. It's pop music as he stated. Hip Hop is revolution, it's speaking truth to power.
This guys are paid to trick us into being ok with they destroying and weaponize our culture ... they disrespect in your face and you THINK its a constructive conversation .... NO ONE on this panel every have a REAL supported opinion.
Every time someone says something someone else says "that's not the point Mos Def was saying" but none of these clowns actually says what Mos Def was trying to day.
Commercial bops devoid of lyrical content that speaks truth to power or uplifts or resonates with the marginalized in a meaningful way, in the spirit of hip-hop, is what Drake's music can be credited for. THAT is the point Yasiin Bey was making in that conversations, and I'm embarrassed that this group wouldn't identify that for the sake of the listeners.
Mos called his ish garbage! thats it. no sugar coating it! If drake is garbage and most is no where near the level of drake on real hip hop ish or on the world stage , which means that Mos is that drug dealer who is on his block and think he is the ish, but even then, he wasnt that dude that was even the best on his block doing what he did when he did it, and drake is that cartel that runs the entire ish. Drake started where MOS started and got to be the head boss while MOS is that loser who is still stuck on the block claiming the cartel boss is soft when the cartel boss was on the same block but rose up to be the guy calling the shots instead of the loser taking orders. DMX was hating when he said so! dmx is at the top, but its like saying Jay z is at the top because he is a billionaire, but, they are levels to it. In the world of billionaires, Jay z, is the guy taking out the trash and cleaning the bathrooms so again dmx might have been world wide, but drake is way bigger than he would ever be aned the numbers prove that point
DMX Never in his fuckin’ life had a GHOSTWRITER, 1… Mos Def Never had a GHOSTWRITER, 2… Mos Def was pulled into sharing his thoughts and what most of the assumptions on this show about his opinion was wrong, completely.
Mos Def is extremely calculated in his intentions. He knew calling out Drake would shine a very bright light on him. Thus creating a moment for his words to be heard by all. The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion
It bugs me that media is scared to speak out against Drake, Because they know that followers are going to troll them. Drake fans and Swiftys have so much in common online. Most deaf is one of hip-hop icons. and the fact that they don’t even know that he sings is ridiculous.
My Goodness! The effort people are putting forth to conflate, confuse, and dilute what he clearly said reiterates everything Yasiin said (Bangin the Pom Poms). If having the most money and the most success puts you in a space where everyone has to always only ever speak favorably of you. Then the point of everything Yasiin said is made again. If Drake responds with a diss. It validates the point even further. This is a sick society, and it is quite telling.
But that's all the youngest generations bring up when debating about their fav artists because that's all they can fall back on for today's well known artists. Particularly for today's rappers, the content isn't there. So they can't argue on that point.
This conversation reveals who true hip hop fan are and aren't. Bottom line is, Drake is a pop artist at his core. Mos Def aka Yasin Bey is a true hip hop artist. Bottom line. Drake doesn't like people stating this fact because he's got an identity crisis complex.
Mos was specifically talking about the CONTENT of the music which i think has gone over alot of people's heads including some on this podcast. At target, the music is there in the background as white noise. One is typically not paying attention to the CONTENT. You don't need to sit and reflect to listen to drakes music. The substance is lacking its the same women, money, clothes all the time in a new package. Some of the music gets you going. Hes able to talk about those topics effortlessly, however, wish he would expand his content given all of his great abilities. Hip hop historically is speaking about real cultural events in combination with more superficial things. Mos was speaking to the substance of the songs. its not a diss just a weakness in cuz game which he doesn't have many weaknesses. Probably his only one.
It's not about numbers! I hate that somehow people can equate skill and influence 2 copies sold and money. this is the exact reason mainstream hip-hop is in the situation it is now
I mean that's the point though. She anticipated that Mos' answer would great some shock wave of some kind and get some significant attention (think Katt in Club Shay Shay).
I can understand the questio. Mainstream Hip Hop is in a sexmollydemonicWAPcoachella coma. I'd ask an OG something similar. Like "Yo Lady Bug, Bahanadia, Salt, LBuggy etc. what you think about today's dick-breath female MCs??,
You just saying that because you're a hater and can't actually explain why he's a joke you're just talking. Anytime there's more than two laughing emojis at the end of a comment 9 times out of 10 he's a clown.
That was a clown response to Joe's question bringing X into the picture. "A 5 year run" for DMX is CRAZY?! Ish OUTTA POCKET AF for the X talk. Good convo 😂👏🏾
There’s no reason for an artist like Mos to be jealous of a Drake when if he wanted to be a “Drake” he could’ve been. It’s obvious that Mos is less concerned with sales and more concerned with content. Neither are wrong but to call his criticism hate is an easy out of the convo.
Drake can probably go toe to toe with Mos Def if its just on some surface level (hip hop) type of back and fourth. But in dealing with someone like Mos Def, you better know that it wont be surface level, he would pick him apart like Pusha T did Drake. that diss was a master class, no it may not have the same replay value as back to back. But it did re arrange drake, if Drake goes in that dungeon he better be ready for that energy to visit him again. Mos Def just might be the one to finish peeling Drake Layer by layer (pause) lol.
Drake is not an emcee, he’s a rapper/singer. He would never embarrass himself by attempting to take part in a cypher or one on one battle, that is unless reading your lyrics off of your iPhones is allowed.
If you too scared to speak on Palestine, you immediately lose. You immediately shouldn't be a part of Hip Hop. And it immediately makes the Mos Defs original point correct
Ish is buggin to say it's corny if Yasin brings it to geopolitics. His whole point was that Drake makes frivolous music. If Drake is unwilling/unable to address that subject matter then it proves the point. Drakes only only avenue for response is to attempt to big bank his opps.
Drake's response "went over your heads" /s Drake literally mentioned "Mi Umi" in his response because Mos' sold Mi Umi to clothing brands. That ain't commercial? That ain't "conducive to shopping"?
Dudes caping for Drake because Mos says his music is soft and lacks substance… is exactly why Mos is correct… Drakes music has helped produced a gang of soft in ur feeling dudes …, Hip Hop is Hip Hop…it’s combat… we forgot that…., and Ice music takes have become more and more trash….. Mos would massacre Drake lyrically
Because he doesn't rap about klling other Black Men, doing drugs, how big his gun is,....he just raps about relationships and pop culture. And that's ok, too
@@venusbaptiste8210wtf mos def doesn’t rap about that shit either. God damn niggas just be talking to hear themself say something. If anything most rapped about how to avoid those situations, he talked about what hip hop is and where it could go. You can be dope without being a bitch just look at Kanye
@@venusbaptiste8210Drake doesn’t rap about killing people? Have you heard the song “Daylight?” Have you heard him talk about popping half a pill, popping the other half if it gets live, haha. Bey simply stated that Drake’s music feels empty. I like Drake’s music but man he ain’t said SHIT for years…
🤦 you know I was thinking about this yesterday and I’m mad as hell I didn’t see this earlier. When this jigga tried to turn “back that ass up” into and R&B song on his second album. Smh 😭 why didn’t I see it then
Guess making money in hip hop equates to great rapper thought rap was about skill/lyricism 1st how many of these rich rappers today are actually great rappers
"There are places where TB* is common as TV cos foreign based companies go and get greedy..." Mos Def / Yasiin Bey. Drake cannot write like that. Drake cannot THINK like that. Drake will just clown you cos your girlfriend's birthday party is less expensive than his side chicks. He makes shallow music. It's okay. (*TB = tuberculosis - it's an illness.)
It’s not okay because the masses don’t understand this. It was a time when we as hip hop did . One example that comes to mind is that dmx, mos def, big pun, and canibus cypher. All thought different and had different styles but sat at one table as hip hop. Now idk what this shit is
Drake is definitely commercial and the fact that og hip hop heads are calling him out on it is really eating away at his soul, something that all the money in the world can't fix, the respect of those you respect the most.
@@samanthadavis2892 he wants the praise for it but can’t take the criticism. he needs to stop bitching & get on with it. his name is already cemented in the game
Kendrick Lamar is right there with Drake but K got a message for the youth Drake doesn't drop jewels he just chases waves like Caribbean or Afro beats n the English man's 🌊
Joe made a solid point, DMX was once the biggest Rapper and the guys on the left couch started trying to dispute a simple fact. Talking about a billion and how many years he was number one smh
@@moxictasculinity Drake is a culture vulture planted by the industry . He’s controlled by the labels who are responsible for paying the ghost writers and who invest in all the promotion plus distribution . Image going to a Drake studio session with all them white folks in the room trying to pick the best writers for the next record . SMH . How many bad albums has Drake released so far . To many .
If anything Mos- giving Kendrick the playbook Kendrick use the Juneteenth concert for a message on unity in the West The Kobe shoutout. and Nipsey and unity across gangland and groups- powerful
I don’t know how old Ice is but it’s seems like he has the thought capacity of a 14 year old. It’s hard to listen to his takes most episodes. He defends the silliest shit.
These guys don’t know music history. They think money is what separates artists. They are completely ignorant. Joe, please sit around with people who know the truth and have ability to add value to your podcast. This is nonsense that no one should be exposed to. Some people just want to speak in order to be heard. No substance whatsoever.
In my opinion, Mos Def was saying that hip hop is being reduced to its lowest form. Hip hop stood for lyricism, word play and the intelligence of putting words together in a ghetto poem or story. We used to applaud the lyrics, now hip hop has been debased to a beat, a dance and simple rhymes. RIP hip hop.
facts…
We still got J Cole Kendrick just to name two who stimulate our collective consciousness and when in need listen to Ra some Public Enemy public radio college stations also give a better 360 of the art form not being commercial we got options my brother
😂😂😂😂 He dissing that man and it was funny what he said but it’s not Drakes fault that his music can be played from NY to Berlin ,Kids from all different backgrounds like him plus not everyone is from the ghetto
@@sdotsimbaaa1624Drake perfected the mainstream algorithm, and accepts, all narrative pushing subjects from the labels. Bigger discussion etc.
The issue with Drake, and many other "big names " thruout history is character.
For example, The groups, "Earth wind and fire" and "the gap band", members were at the L.A. riots, so was dmx. LL Cool J didn't step up, Mc hammer didn't, Not wutang.. etc...
Hip-hop, is character, being genuine. That's what Mos Def wanted to point out.
I don't defend pedophiles or murderers, do you. Is a greater analogy.
@sdotsimbaaa1624 You don't have to be from the ghetto to appreciate lyrical art or to enjoy storytelling. Clearly it didn't take long for hip hop up to and including rap to speed like wild fire and be embraced by suburbia America and eventually the planet. Think poetry. It is enjoyed all over the world. Now add a beat.
Drake is disrespectful as hell! Disrespecting Mos Def who is a legend?!! Drake deserve everything he’s getting now
Drake is a legend stop minimising he entitled to feel that way
@@CookinJumbo🤡
This aged perfectly 😊
We still going in 😂
Exactly
Everyones comprehension skills is low. Mos def said specifically 'Where is the Message I can use" its not about him being played in target or donating money, its about drake being the biggest artist in the world with no message.
“Comprehension” but yes I agree
@@t-god2439 That's what I get for texting and driving, but they was getting me heated lol
Why only hold Drake to that? What message did Jay have when he was #1 or Wayne or whoever else??? What was the messages from them??
@@itsuknoro Mos Def was asked specifically about Drake, he is the focus of this convo. What Jay, Wayne or anyone else didn’t do is irrelevant. However, it does expand on his point about having a useful message in music. Drake and all big artists alike should strive to influence the culture/humanity in a more meaningful way.
@@teeeeee3606 are u dumb?? We had a black president and he couldn’t do shit.. the fuck u think these rappers can do? Artist are not world leaders no matter how much influence u think they have.. they dont have the power to change shit.. kendrick speaks up every album about that shit.. what has that done besides make him richer?? What has Kendrick changed or influenced for the greater of humanity????
If you ever hear "Mathematics" at a target, then the song has either been co-opted or snuck in by a rogue employee.
A rougue employee 😂 shout out to them type of dudes
@@Ceez.TheGallantMy favorites!
Ah ah true dat.
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facts, or I am the manager
When they're only comeback is calling you a crackhead...you kind of won. That’s like telling someone "they lack the ability to use emotional intelligence due to their disconnect with self" and they respond with "That’s why you ugly" 😂😂😂
Where did he said that? People are saying he called him crackhead but I cannot see anywhere he said that
@@jeanpierregabiro1424 A "bohemian bucket" is slang term for "crackhead"
Drake is just upset because the interviewer asked Mos Def a question and He paused and gave a honest answer He basically was saying Drake is not a rapper He is not really the culture Mos Def is a living legend Drake intelligence isn't in on Mos Def level Mos Def got Writing and Freestyle ability
Or they're like, "fight me then!!!" 😂😂😂
Most Def is a legendary lyricist
And he writes his own shit.
That nobody knows 🤷🏾♂️
mos def is trash
@@iamdragonettatooWeirdo, like extra weird
yet here we are @@cliffordescott
The fact that anyone thinks Drake can speak on Mos on any level besides money is wild.
In all honesty Most and Drake shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence. This is ridiculous. This is like comparing the photographer that takes family photos at Walmart to Picasso🤦🏿♂️
I kinda feel bad for Joe having to have these hip-hop conversations with Ish and Ice, you kinda miss the old cast in times like this, Mel even has more understanding of the art form and the context
@@jeromejenkins151 Mos spoke about Drake not the other way round let’s be clear
@@sdotsimbaaa1624 he was asked a question and he answered it wasn't the other way around he didn't just randomly pull Drake's name out his azz
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All of this back and forth has only completely confuddled Mos Def's main point.This level of talk transcends the music, it's about impact on the culture and humanity at large. Everyone is translating Mos's comments as hate when objectively speaking it's just factual. Drake, who is literally my favorite artist, is creator of amazing, globally digested and loved music. But he has never been a prominent voice for humanity. He's influenced many after him in the artistic space but has yet to challenge his listeners to be better people. These are qualities that separate the MC's from the rappers. Those who do it for the culture vs. those who do it for the flowers.
Well said
Very well said
Beautifully said.
When are you guys are going to wake up and see the truth .... these guys are THEM and like them they paid to brainwash you with light-skinned black faces to be ok with them dumbing down and weaponizing our music and culture the fact that Drake is a GUEST and a industry built rapper in our culture, he is not even from this country and he could disrespect one of our icons? - Drake who hand delivered Sexy Red to your children? THIS is why we as a people get no respect ... they can give us MONEY and we will except anything from them.
Nobody wants to hear Drake speak on humanity.. yall barely wanna hear the shit he’s actually great at! What has any rapper speaking up done?? Barack Obama couldn’t even change shit around this bitch but yall want Drake to step up??? For what???? The fuck is Drake gonna do?? Kendrick give messages every album.. the fuck has that done besides make him richer???
Mos Def’s “Ecstatic” album is amazing all the way through.
I hate talking to people who lack the ability to reason …. Dude in red is such a cornball
Dude with the red hat as well.
He don’t know SHIT 😅😅…..this is why I can’t watch these podcasts …a bunch of UNEDUCATED and UNQUALIFIED ppl behind a MIC …🥴
BIG FACTS!
Mos has whole Singing joints with the Isley brothers . Thats 🔥🔥
Kalifornia on the biker boyz soundtrack is 🔥 too
Contet
And you knoooow. Yes you kn-ow. My name black Dante. I can not resist when you walk my way. Your name beauty in the dark. Love that song
Drake would NEVER be able to get a feature like that
How dare y'all say DMX had a 5year run. His catalog will live forever. I understand certain people like Drake, but let's not be ridiculous
First album was 98
Grand champ was 03.
Everything after missed the mark.
Ice is 100% correct. What are we talking about?
98-03 was X run hasn’t went gold since he a legend his music will live forever but that was his run 5 years
He literally had a 5 year run. 98-03. Year of the dog came out in 06, went #2, 125k sold first week. Cool. Didn’t drop another album for 6 years and it didn’t do well. That’s a 5 year run lol
Because its facts. This is an objective convo with ppl who are fans of both and seen both and studied both in real life. Thats how.
@@drewlavayand real talk and then there was X was like 60% garbage maybe 70% for real I was freakin hurt after those first 2 albums. 3 album was living off those and the single period.
Drake don’t want it with Mos Def lmao
At all!
Please stop lmao
@@kcxsmooth stop what?
Mos ain’t doing shit and retired stop gassing people up bunch of instigators
Here yall go…
Drake is not about to fry Mos, he never recovered from Pusha T.
I'm the one who interviewed Mos Def in the now viral clip. The full 2HR interview lives only on my Patreon, which most people won't watch in full. But Joe seems to be the only one who understood the breadth of what Mos was saying. Some of the co-hosts think Mos was defining hiphop *sonically* in which case, YES Drake's music obviously qualifies as hiphop. But Mos was talking about the messaging of hiphop not just the sound. Instead, to use hiphop as a tool (not just an entertainment device) to speak on behalf of disenfranchised people. Not necessarily all the time, but for sure when the time calls for it (such as current crisis in Palestine). I'm a Drake fan too but when push comes to shove, I find Mos Def's music more valuable. Joe also caught the undertones of Mos being muslim and drake being jewish. I've watched a lot of discourse on this topic and Joe Budden's show is one of the few platforms to engage the topic with any kind of nuance and complexity.
It’s ok love mos was speaking to us who understand like Joe said they only speak hip hop aka dumb shit real new they know nothing about make you think why we support them
This comment deserves way more likes
Make it available on RUclips dawg
Joe does a great job with handling hip hop discussions.
Put it on RUclips so we all can enjoy it. Most of us aren't going to patreon
Hard to qualify how disappointing this conversation was.
Like!! 😭😭 It went downhill fast!
I stopped with Ish's hypothetical questions, Didn't wait for any responses. I see the direction this is going. I'm good. ✌🏾
“Quantify”
@@dougedoug2105 No, qualify. If I wanted to quantify it, I'd want to describe my disappointment numerically, which I do not.
Careful who you have expectations of
Mos was asked a question and he answered. He responded to a question about a ninja that insulted his fan base. Drake had it coming.
Mos' argument went way over heads...
No it didnt it made no sense
It definitely made sense...
Whats his argument?
It made perfect sense, but it wasn't that deep.
It made perfect sense, it was deep. STAND for something besides fucking dollars….
Mos Def is a God tier MC... Drake gonna need all his Ghost.
They acting like they don’t know it’s crazy
He did Kendrick
Dmx run was crazy. Boi tripping.
And x did it with no social media, no streams, and no Lil wayne.
Although his feature with Wayne on his last album Exodus, you could literally hear the excitement about working with Wayne. I really love that song Who Let the Dog Out. I really love that last album and he got to work with so many great artist in even in his interviews you could tell how humble he was to realize so many artists respect him so highly. It's like he never fully appreciated how amazing he was. There will never be another x.
DMX Lives😊
DMX was the definitely the biggest rapper in the world at one point and he was representing hardcore hip hop in a heavily conscious manner!
Dmx was never conscious
@@jfraz1992 No he was when he wanted to be, actually.
And the biggest crackhead too, his art was dope but the man had some demons
significantly less of a run than drake. that's ish's point.
@@jfraz1992you don’t know the definition of conscious 🤣.
Mos said Drake doesnt make music that speaks about the communities that hip hop represents and originated from. And DMX definitely was world wide but his deals were garbage. Drake is being carried to the top by the suburbs.
Facts
DMX, for all his fame and success, was a victim of the same system that Mos described. He spoke about it. Drake is a product pushed by that system because he stands where they tell, raps about what they approve of and shuts the hell up on cue.
To adlib.. ppl forget Drake is Jewish and music is Jewish ran. Dont forget Jewish ppl take care of they own
That has some truth to it. Not saying you wrong
The suburbs carry rap in general .
Some clearly doesn't know about Mos Def
This podcast could be so much better without the ignorance from Ish. He just brings the conversation down to a basic level everytime.
Childish sh.. fax. He always say sh.. like he saying something profound too. Like boy stop.
Every time! 😂
Dude in red would drink and savor drake's toilet water
I was thinking same smfh
Least favorite. Very temperamental and immature.
funny asl after the drake kendrick beef lmaoo
3 months later….
or salty bath water (IYKYK)...
Drake is the epitome of not being educated but the truth hurts that’s why he called Mos Def a name…Mos Def is in his head
Mos def in his head. After mos def mentionned him and hated on him and it trended for a week.
Mos Def is in the internets head and everyone repeated it thousands of times. Mos Def didn't say this at a party and Drake sought it out.
Right exactly
U niggas kill me yall ask for more from rappers then people u know
and rent free
Disrespecting Mos Def is blasphemy “Black on Both Sides” is a hip hop classic Mos always kept it conscious he’s the real deal he is hip hop he can say what ever he wants he earned his keep in this shit. When is the last time drake stood up for oppression or said anything conscious in his music? Where’s his Brenda got a baby or Keisha song? He just plays it safe he’s nothing more then a MC hammer or a puffy with a bunch of ghost writers making his music nothing comes from him. it’s like what Tupac said there’s gonna be rappers with little nuts playing it safe or there’s gonna be the one with big nuts that’s gonna rap against the system
Yep but the thing is he's not black so he's not going to
@janetsmith682 His father is black. But point taken I guess. The fact is he is mixed and Canadian. Hip hop at its core is African American expressive genre and culture. Yet Eminem managed and he is fully white but American and grew up in Detroit immersed in our culture. So yeah Drake is missing the components.
drake is a white boy with a tan
The Ecstatic is a masterpiece too. 💯
Seriously, Mos Def is the truth! Drake have several seats
several thousand seats
The Newark boys took turns passing Drake's meat around. Nasty work.
Mel was talking about Mos Def “Ecstatic” album. And she’s right, you can’t find it on platforms because he pulled all his albums to be on his website. You can actually RUclips search and listen to it though. It’s still up.
and Ecstatic is still my shit. “Quiet Dog Bite Hard” is one of my favorite songs ever
Whenever drakes name is brought up these dudes turn into top tier glazers
So why do other men keep talking about Drake during THEIR interviews???😭😭😭
@isontiller7423 idk but I think they asked him about Drake
@@craigwatlerj6114 “next question move along “
Kinda proves my point
@@isontiller7423great question
They acting like Mos wouldn't bar up Drake 😂
Mos is COLD…. 🥶
Bro im sitting here asking myself have any of them actually ever heard Mos Def's music?
It's a new world . Bars don't matter.
I don’t even wanna see that happen because you already know who’s gonna “win” by default, because they have a bigger army of fans
Mos Def would finish Drake
Mos Def wasn’t talking about what Drake should do with his money, he was saying what Drakes obligation as a hiphop artist is. Which is to use his voice to promote change system wide. To critique society at some point. That’s something Drake has never done. He’s an amazing artist, a great rapper.. but hiphop comes with the previously mentioned responsibility .. at least from Mos Defs view.
Drake is a pop artist. It's going to sound disengenuise if he just gets in his political activist, Assata Shakur phase.
That’s not obligation nor his brand, every rapper doesn’t speak on issues, majority of rap is about the streets
@jfraz1992 Why you think all the OGs been saying it’s dead?
Drake not obligated to use his voice that way. Boys will say that shit about him, but they not holding boys like Wayne to that standard. Most popular blacks rappers don’t use their voice in that way. And even if Drake did, boys will accuse him of being fake.
Rap and hip-hop are not the same they rap on sesame Street Rakim speaks to elevation of self not glorifying drug selling being righteous holding sisters down not old school but eternal
This didn't age well for drake 🤣
Drake just mad Cause Yasin Bey is right about Drake, Drake has no message to his music and that's what Kendrick Lamar exposed about Drake. Drake is a no message having Colonizer
Mos always speaks to elevation
How the fuck can anyone say DMX was never at the top? Even over here in Nigeria DMX was the man!
He maybe lacked longevity, but the guy was global!!!
No one said DMX wasn’t at the top! But he was never Drake!!! Are you being serious?
Drake’s whole life story is Ms Fat Bootie 👀😜
Drake has no real rebuttal to what Mos said because he knows he makes commercial hip hop, this is just one of those "its not what he said its how he said it" idk how calling him names is gonna change facts. Just get in the booth and "say whats real"
It's interesting, the way that I understood Mos Def's critique of Drake's music was that it wasn't political. When you view Hip Hop through a historical context, the music, the aesthetic is rooted in being anti-establishment. Where as Drake's music is more palatable to mass consumption: it's packaged beautifully for mass appeal. It's pop music as he stated. Hip Hop is revolution, it's speaking truth to power.
BIG mistake saying DMX wasn't international . On the international stage DMX is right under 2Pac trust me.
This guys are paid to trick us into being ok with they destroying and weaponize our culture ... they disrespect in your face and you THINK its a constructive conversation .... NO ONE on this panel every have a REAL supported opinion.
Exactly broo
Yea the song up in here and his work on the big screen made him global. 💯
X is second to no one foh
Lol that's a big lie.
50, Snoop, Em, Drake and Wayne are above him internationally
Every time someone says something someone else says "that's not the point Mos Def was saying" but none of these clowns actually says what Mos Def was trying to day.
Commercial bops devoid of lyrical content that speaks truth to power or uplifts or resonates with the marginalized in a meaningful way, in the spirit of hip-hop, is what Drake's music can be credited for. THAT is the point Yasiin Bey was making in that conversations, and I'm embarrassed that this group wouldn't identify that for the sake of the listeners.
Flip literally said it.
That’s because Mos already said it.
They discussed it on the last pod already
Mos called his ish garbage! thats it. no sugar coating it!
If drake is garbage and most is no where near the level of drake on real hip hop ish or on the world stage , which means that Mos is that drug dealer who is on his block and think he is the ish, but even then, he wasnt that dude that was even the best on his block doing what he did when he did it, and drake is that cartel that runs the entire ish. Drake started where MOS started and got to be the head boss while MOS is that loser who is still stuck on the block claiming the cartel boss is soft when the cartel boss was on the same block but rose up to be the guy calling the shots instead of the loser taking orders.
DMX was hating when he said so! dmx is at the top, but its like saying Jay z is at the top because he is a billionaire, but, they are levels to it. In the world of billionaires, Jay z, is the guy taking out the trash and cleaning the bathrooms so again dmx might have been world wide, but drake is way bigger than he would ever be aned the numbers prove that point
DMX did reach that level of success world wide
& he wrote all his sh.. it's not even a conversation
Dude is a real Drake cheerleader 4real!!!😂😅
Drake never gonna have a single moment anywhere close to DMX owning a Woodstock stage
Ice meat ridin Drake like this is hilarious
?
He definitely is
And we supposed to value his opinions on hip hop and he dont see the difference in Mos Def and Drakes career.. LMAOOOOOO
No he’s just not going with the popular narrative
@@jfraz1992 Not going with the popular narrative is one thing…altering or changing someone’s statement to make them look a way is another
DMX Never in his fuckin’ life had a GHOSTWRITER, 1… Mos Def Never had a GHOSTWRITER, 2… Mos Def was pulled into sharing his thoughts and what most of the assumptions on this show about his opinion was wrong, completely.
It’s not that deep .. Mos was saying he purposely makes Poppy music
Mos Def is extremely calculated in his intentions. He knew calling out Drake would shine a very bright light on him. Thus creating a moment for his words to be heard by all. The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion
well said!
Nah calling the same man that made black fantastic a crackhead is Arkham asylum type crazy work
THIS ALL DAY
It bugs me that media is scared to speak out against Drake, Because they know that followers are going to troll them. Drake fans and Swiftys have so much in common online. Most deaf is one of hip-hop icons. and the fact that they don’t even know that he sings is ridiculous.
lol the entire internet calls drake trash repeatedly
You need to get a life
💯% Facts 🫡
The internet clown and hate drake more than any artist in hip hop lol, period
Son with that red beanie is a professional pipe smoker
Both in red d(ck ride harder for Drake than the femalez
🎯
My Goodness! The effort people are putting forth to conflate, confuse, and dilute what he clearly said reiterates everything Yasiin said (Bangin the Pom Poms). If having the most money and the most success puts you in a space where everyone has to always only ever speak favorably of you. Then the point of everything Yasiin said is made again. If Drake responds with a diss. It validates the point even further. This is a sick society, and it is quite telling.
Finances and selling records don’t define quality my G
But that's all the youngest generations bring up when debating about their fav artists because that's all they can fall back on for today's well known artists. Particularly for today's rappers, the content isn't there. So they can't argue on that point.
@@pArtyiNfo4aLLBecause you can’t argue opinions but facts are irrefutable
This conversation reveals who true hip hop fan are and aren't. Bottom line is, Drake is a pop artist at his core. Mos Def aka Yasin Bey is a true hip hop artist. Bottom line. Drake doesn't like people stating this fact because he's got an identity crisis complex.
100% and it’s incredibly sad to see how Mos Def’s point goes completely over their heads
Mos Def told the truth about Drake 💯 1:13
Mos was specifically talking about the CONTENT of the music which i think has gone over alot of people's heads including some on this podcast. At target, the music is there in the background as white noise. One is typically not paying attention to the CONTENT. You don't need to sit and reflect to listen to drakes music. The substance is lacking its the same women, money, clothes all the time in a new package. Some of the music gets you going. Hes able to talk about those topics effortlessly, however, wish he would expand his content given all of his great abilities. Hip hop historically is speaking about real cultural events in combination with more superficial things. Mos was speaking to the substance of the songs. its not a diss just a weakness in cuz game which he doesn't have many weaknesses. Probably his only one.
Well said
It's not about numbers! I hate that somehow people can equate skill and influence 2 copies sold and money. this is the exact reason mainstream hip-hop is in the situation it is now
This conversation was so low frequency I don’t know what to say. 🤦🏾♂️
If Drake thought KDot roasted his ass, the last thing he wants is Mos Def to get started. Stay in your lane Drake… your Hip Pop at best!!
This debate does nothing but show me how hilarious and sensitive drake fans really are 😂🤦🏾
And shows how corny Drake haters are😂
@@EazyRocko I don’t hate drake so can’t relate 🤷🏾♂️
@@EazyRocko Damn, you fell right INto the trap 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦♂️
Just like Drake is, lol.
These neccas are crazy if they think Drake can just fry Mos.
Mos def is in my top 5
Mine too, along with black thought, raekwon/ghost, Jadakiss, Andre 3000.
Mos Def writes his own music unlike Drake.
Mos Def is real hip hop unlike Drake.
Mos Def doesn’t Cosplay as a gangsta like Drake.
Now this debate comes full circle after the kdot drake diss
Now we have a Clear example of a Reall lyricist
Long live hip hop 🙌
DMXs 5th album Grand Champ (2003) was number 1. He had 5 straight number 1 albums. The next one was number 2. Legendary run.
I don’t understand why shorty who interviewed Mos, even asked about Drake. All these new kids know how to do is start a fight.
I mean that's the point though. She anticipated that Mos' answer would great some shock wave of some kind and get some significant attention (think Katt in Club Shay Shay).
That’s a trash take. He chose to say that about Drake. Hold him accountable and have him stand on what he said.
She most likely knew that would be his response.
1000% Right.
I dont know why Drake had to come up.
I can understand the questio. Mainstream Hip Hop is in a sexmollydemonicWAPcoachella coma. I'd ask an OG something similar. Like "Yo Lady Bug, Bahanadia, Salt, LBuggy etc. what you think about today's dick-breath female MCs??,
Ice and Ish are such fanboys
It’s funny how ISH is laughing now, but was tight faced as hell when Drake was getting stomped out in the public.
The project that Mos recently did was Blackstar highly anticipated 2nd album(No fear of time)which was released in 2022...Catch up, sheesh...Smh
Drake is a joke that writes itself 😂😂😂
What about you sis?
You just saying that because you're a hater and can't actually explain why he's a joke you're just talking. Anytime there's more than two laughing emojis at the end of a comment 9 times out of 10 he's a clown.
Def don’t write himself lol
@@SPACEKNOCKERZ76😂
@@SPACEKNOCKERZ76this!
This is similar to the DEE 1 conversation when he called out Ross, Jim and Meek. Now they are changing their tune when Mos Def called Drake out.
Agreed
Ice and Ish are fast becoming Lames
🗣️BEEN LAME
They are as deep as puddles 😖
It’s been that way from jump
They been lames 🤷🏾♂️
That was a clown response to Joe's question bringing X into the picture. "A 5 year run" for DMX is CRAZY?! Ish OUTTA POCKET AF for the X talk. Good convo 😂👏🏾
But DMX did have a 5 year run from 98 to 03. All the other ones after that missed the mark critically and commercially.
There’s no reason for an artist like Mos to be jealous of a Drake when if he wanted to be a “Drake” he could’ve been. It’s obvious that Mos is less concerned with sales and more concerned with content. Neither are wrong but to call his criticism hate is an easy out of the convo.
It's about content. It's not about sales. I don't think some of them get it.
Drake can probably go toe to toe with Mos Def if its just on some surface level (hip hop) type of back and fourth. But in dealing with someone like Mos Def, you better know that it wont be surface level, he would pick him apart like Pusha T did Drake. that diss was a master class, no it may not have the same replay value as back to back. But it did re arrange drake, if Drake goes in that dungeon he better be ready for that energy to visit him again. Mos Def just might be the one to finish peeling Drake Layer by layer (pause) lol.
Which is weird because Joe budden did the exact same thing to Drake as well
the last older MC he went up against, he got bodied. Idk
Highly over looked smh Joe did it to him lol @@t-god2439
But thats the difference though, Drake has not been an "MC" in a long min. Hes been pop. @@sonicsforrealfather
Drake is not an emcee, he’s a rapper/singer. He would never embarrass himself by attempting to take part in a cypher or one on one battle, that is unless reading your lyrics off of your iPhones is allowed.
Ice don't know anything about music 🤫 when he opens his mouth about music, he puts his feet in his mouth 3:09
If you too scared to speak on Palestine, you immediately lose. You immediately shouldn't be a part of Hip Hop. And it immediately makes the Mos Defs original point correct
“always rappin like you tryna get the slaves freed” - drake
Not only has he lacked messaging for quite some time, he seems to disapprove of it.
Ish is buggin to say it's corny if Yasin brings it to geopolitics. His whole point was that Drake makes frivolous music. If Drake is unwilling/unable to address that subject matter then it proves the point. Drakes only only avenue for response is to attempt to big bank his opps.
Drake only gets played at kid's parties in the hood
Drake's response "went over your heads" /s
Drake literally mentioned "Mi Umi" in his response because Mos' sold Mi Umi to clothing brands.
That ain't commercial? That ain't "conducive to shopping"?
@@BERNARDO712the point is about the message in the music he not knocking Drake for making money
Lol you guys are stupid to think Drake doesn't have records where's he's rapping rapping
@@MightyBaja about what?
Dudes caping for Drake because Mos says his music is soft and lacks substance… is exactly why Mos is correct… Drakes music has helped produced a gang of soft in ur feeling dudes …, Hip Hop is Hip Hop…it’s combat… we forgot that…., and Ice music takes have become more and more trash….. Mos would massacre Drake lyrically
Because he doesn't rap about klling other Black Men, doing drugs, how big his gun is,....he just raps about relationships and pop culture. And that's ok, too
@@venusbaptiste8210wtf mos def doesn’t rap about that shit either. God damn niggas just be talking to hear themself say something. If anything most rapped about how to avoid those situations, he talked about what hip hop is and where it could go. You can be dope without being a bitch just look at Kanye
@@venusbaptiste8210Drake doesn’t rap about killing people? Have you heard the song “Daylight?” Have you heard him talk about popping half a pill, popping the other half if it gets live, haha.
Bey simply stated that Drake’s music feels empty. I like Drake’s music but man he ain’t said SHIT for years…
💯💯💯
@@venusbaptiste8210mos def never rapped about drugs and guns neither
Ima get called a hater by cornballs but I still can’t believe Drake is this big , the amount of corniness is astounding
“I can’t believe Drake is this big “
🤦 you know I was thinking about this yesterday and I’m mad as hell I didn’t see this earlier. When this jigga tried to turn “back that ass up” into and R&B song on his second album. Smh 😭 why didn’t I see it then
It’s mind boggling to me
You definitely corny
💯💯🤣😂😭 HE ass🗑 and not hip-hop rap
I think Ish used to be in special ed. Must've been.
Guess making money in hip hop equates to great rapper thought rap was about skill/lyricism 1st how many of these rich rappers today are actually great rappers
"There are places where TB* is common as TV cos foreign based companies go and get greedy..." Mos Def / Yasiin Bey.
Drake cannot write like that. Drake cannot THINK like that. Drake will just clown you cos your girlfriend's birthday party is less expensive than his side chicks. He makes shallow music. It's okay.
(*TB = tuberculosis - it's an illness.)
It’s not okay because the masses don’t understand this. It was a time when we as hip hop did . One example that comes to mind is that dmx, mos def, big pun, and canibus cypher. All thought different and had different styles but sat at one table as hip hop. Now idk what this shit is
@@t-god2439 WORD 😤👊
Drake is definitely commercial and the fact that og hip hop heads are calling him out on it is really eating away at his soul, something that all the money in the world can't fix, the respect of those you respect the most.
drake has stated countless of times that he doesn’t wanna just be in the hip hop bracket. then once he’s called out on it he gets sensitive. 💀
@@ideozublake8036 facts Drake always wanted to be bigger than just a rapper and globally he is
@@samanthadavis2892 he wants the praise for it but can’t take the criticism. he needs to stop bitching & get on with it. his name is already cemented in the game
💯
Eating at his soul?? 😂😂😂 Drake at one if his mansions with somebody girl eating on his ...his soul 😂😂😂 yeah right
Kendrick Lamar is right there with Drake but K got a message for the youth Drake doesn't drop jewels he just chases waves like Caribbean or Afro beats n the English man's 🌊
Being here after the Kendrick battle is so funny
Joe made a solid point, DMX was once the biggest Rapper and the guys on the left couch started trying to dispute a simple fact. Talking about a billion and how many years he was number one smh
DMX and Mos Def never have been accused of having a ghost writer . End of discussion .
Who is the stud that’s hating on drake ? I never heard his music. I bet he is angry cos he broke.
Hip hop wasn't base on how much money you got😮
@@moxictasculinity Drake is a culture vulture planted by the industry . He’s controlled by the labels who are responsible for paying the ghost writers and who invest in all the promotion plus distribution . Image going to a Drake studio session with all them white folks in the room trying to pick the best writers for the next record . SMH . How many bad albums has Drake released so far . To many .
@moxictasculinity one of Hip hop peeroners of hip hop, yea before your time. Do some research 🤔
@@anthonyhogan1058 bro you can’t spell pioneer ?
Ice is showing lack of comprehensive understanding for such a usually smart cat. He is talking about quality conversation
mmmm🤔...interesting how much he had to say here considering when they first spoke about this he didn't have this same energy!!????
Ice trippin but Ish's stance is sticking beside his light skin breden.
If anything Mos- giving Kendrick the playbook
Kendrick use the Juneteenth concert for a message on unity in the West
The Kobe shoutout. and Nipsey and unity across gangland and groups- powerful
the guy in the red sweatshirt is a bit stupid, in my opinion. cant believe joe budden was the only person in that room that understood any of this
Mos Gonna have substance no matter what... Drake don't
White powdery substance?
Mos been trying for years and nobody cares 😂😂😂
FACTS
Drake way better
Drake doesn’t have any substance in his music ? You either don’t listen to drake or don’t know the definition of substance
I don’t know how old Ice is but it’s seems like he has the thought capacity of a 14 year old. It’s hard to listen to his takes most episodes. He defends the silliest shit.
Real hip hop heads doesnt give a f about Drake..Mos Def is hip hop history…Mos Def must be really genius lyricist for a “crackhead”
Right fam thank you so much for being a smart individual
These guys don’t know music history. They think money is what separates artists. They are completely ignorant. Joe, please sit around with people who know the truth and have ability to add value to your podcast. This is nonsense that no one should be exposed to. Some people just want to speak in order to be heard. No substance whatsoever.
Mos living in Drake’s head rent-free.
Chill… DMX was so lit he was starrin in hit movies as the lead role.