Understand Warhammer 40k with these books

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  • Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
  • Had a lot of requests recently asking which books to read so these are my top ones to understand Warhammer 40k. Also These links lead to them on Amazon and try out audible its the cheapest way to get the audios. Ebay is a good place or second hand book shops for some of the older suggestions. Cheers.
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  • @ABorderPrince
    @ABorderPrince  Год назад +32

    Missed a bunch out but I recommend these as a starter

    • @johnmcmanus7809
      @johnmcmanus7809 Год назад

      Have you read Konrad, Shadowbreed and warblade by David Ferring old school Warhammer from 1990. influenced highly by the witcher books like most of the Warhammer setting.

    • @ethanr7378
      @ethanr7378 Год назад +2

      Are you going to do a part 2 video with more book recommendations?

    • @BloodyShirtMusic
      @BloodyShirtMusic Год назад

      Hell yeah dude. I'm going to check these out. Also couldn't help but laugh at " my kid is asleep" then you proceed to cackle like a demon. Love it. Thanks dude

    • @SillyLegz
      @SillyLegz Год назад

      Oooh thank you ABD!

    • @stoneage3429
      @stoneage3429 Год назад

      I have loads of old stuff in e books. Contact me if your interested

  • @dcbluenose1873
    @dcbluenose1873 Год назад +25

    As an old, old, 40k guy I really appreciate the respect and love you show to the classic lore tomes. Your narration of The Eye of Terror is a must listen for those getting into the scene. Yeah, it's old, but classics like that really helped establish "grimdark".
    Also, can't recommend the Fabulous Bill novels enough.

    • @bruni5289
      @bruni5289 Год назад +1

      If we're gonna go Oldhammer I'd love to see someone do a narration of Inquisitor

    • @Misstucci
      @Misstucci Год назад +1

      Eye of Terror is just too good.

    • @dcbluenose1873
      @dcbluenose1873 Год назад

      @@bruni5289 Me too!!!

    • @bruni5289
      @bruni5289 Год назад

      @@dcbluenose1873 "who knows Ian, maybe this is my next movie"

    • @joshsickels
      @joshsickels Год назад

      @@bruni5289 Couple things, Warhammer is set in the far, far, future. If you go around carelessly miss appropriating with "Oldhammer" jokes it will scare anything born after 1999 away from easing into the grimdark. Lets face it, they need al the grimdark they can get, and we need a steady supply of fodder. What would be great is to get some female participants interested. That be a hard sell for sure. Maybe if Warhammer was to identify as Shoppinghammer, (a sexist would say) it would get us there. Plus we would get bonus points for accepting Warhammer's right to identify however he/she wants. Shopinghammer would be the door. Before you know it, you both will be calling it Sexhammer and everyone should be ok with that, even the table top.

  • @AuramiteEX
    @AuramiteEX Год назад +3

    I've read about 75% of the books mentioned and I agree.
    I would also add the Dark Imperium trilogy to the must-read list

  • @DamplyDoo
    @DamplyDoo Год назад +9

    It might be underrated, but "path of the warrior" gave me great insight into the Eldar mindset, their society, their military. I always enjoyed reading it...

    • @kimmogensen4888
      @kimmogensen4888 Год назад

      Yes it makes more sense when you get the reason for the way craft world Eldar are organized with only one path for each Eldar, really interesting, like humans and even more not at their peak of civilization but backwards grime dark, like everyone except maybe the Tau with their marvelous A.I technology, which like the warp only brings the grater good in Warhammer lore 😯

    • @itsaBoomer
      @itsaBoomer 11 месяцев назад

      Path of the Outcast is great too

  • @Paddy3115
    @Paddy3115 Год назад +5

    Yes, fantasy books please, especially Dwarfs!

  • @parkermaisterra8532
    @parkermaisterra8532 Год назад +3

    13:20 So fun fact but in Graham McNeills other work Forges of Mars the events of this novel are mentioned.
    Spoilers: Turns out there was an Imperial Guard who survived but because of how badly things went the siege was covered up/classified and the Guardsman was discharged and became super bitter.

  • @firedragon10
    @firedragon10 Год назад +5

    I wouldn't mind a video on your recommendation for Warhammer Fantasy to read since Warhammer: Old World is slowly being revive.

  • @Shagrat65
    @Shagrat65 Год назад +2

    ABP - I've always veered to the fantasy side of Warhammer but your videos over the years - which are of the most sublime and often hilarious quality (your review of the Vulkan Primarch book had me in stitches laughing) have me merrily digesting the books. Cheers fella for the work you do - its true brilliance.

  • @anthonywilkes8630
    @anthonywilkes8630 Год назад +1

    Re-reading Storm of Iron myself at the mo, and loving it just as much as I did the 1st time!
    Love the list ABP 👍

  • @joshwongwai3532
    @joshwongwai3532 Год назад +2

    I've read about half of those you've listed and can also vouch that they are wonderful reads.

  • @mossberg882
    @mossberg882 Год назад +1

    ABP, you're absolutely brilliant to watch n follow your channel. You add so much richness n knowledge n perspective to the 40k community.
    Especially with your knowledge of the "older" lore n books where things were more colorful n a delicious primordial soup of theories n intrigue. You know, before things started becoming more sterile n clean cookie cut ha!
    Great recommendations, I saw some older works that I started reading from my dad's collection when I first was getting into it as a teen n even some that I forgot n remember them being so good! (Like the Soul Drinkers series)
    Long winded, keep doin what your doin. You're great, I love your witt n maniacal twists of humor and imagination you bring to the table. Cheers 🍻

  • @saint_beefus1322
    @saint_beefus1322 Год назад +6

    Yes absolutely do the fantasy books, the old world is still my favourite fantasy world when it comes to aesthetics, the way it blends the gritty and familiar human factions and contrasts them with all the weird and out there races is something I still haven't seen in other media yet.

    • @Sara3346
      @Sara3346 Год назад +1

      The humans can get pretty weird too! Have you ever seen a grail relique or an amber wizard or a hag witch possessed by the widow?

    • @Anj28t
      @Anj28t 4 месяца назад

      Super old video and super late comment but I second the idea of a Fantasy video! Just started reading Grudgebearer as a loyal Dawi player, and would love your opinion on where to go from there

  • @sanchez444
    @sanchez444 Год назад +3

    Great recommendation on the gaunts ghost series, have a lot of non Warhammer buds from the army who absolutely love that series and nothing else. Seems to click with them.

  • @Tehquall
    @Tehquall Год назад +4

    Love the storm of iron recommendation, it was the first book I read back in the day and my copy is very battered. Would love to hear more of your recommendations/reviews!

  • @dfly27485
    @dfly27485 Год назад

    Love you, Miss you ABP,…
    My son was also just born too, so hearing your voice and content in between the chaos and craziness knowing you’re going through the same thing bring a sense of normalcy.
    Hope to hear more soon. Thanks

  • @matthewdavies986
    @matthewdavies986 Год назад +1

    I used to read loads as a kid, but in my mid teens I basically stopped, the book that got me back into reading was Double Eagle by Dan Abnett, which then led to me reading Gaunt's Ghosts. I can't recommend those books enough

  • @alexjenkins8231
    @alexjenkins8231 Год назад +1

    this is great.. thanks for the recommendations. I will definitely be added these to the list.. I only just started getting into the books a few months ago.. very cool stuff. I love watching all your lore and story narrations. if I could recommend The Infinite and the Divine, kinda funny witty bromance Necron story.

  • @socalastarte6727
    @socalastarte6727 Год назад +1

    Damn hit the nail on the head. I'm 40 books into the Heresy and I was just discussing yesterday how boring the perpetuals are. Everytime they appear, I can't get through that part of the book quick enough. I'd heard sooooo much praise about Legion, but it was awful. One of the slowest and toughest to get through for me. The HH series as a whole is fantastic, but as you said, a few clunkers here and there.

  • @Greycatuk
    @Greycatuk Год назад +1

    Great video, thankyou! No excuses needed either - if folk don’t like your opinions, then tough, cos it’s your channel! Love your enthusiasm too. So many of the books are excellent, and I’ve a few of these old editions too 😊

  • @johnsarmiento4980
    @johnsarmiento4980 Год назад

    30:20 the rant on the scale between the tau and empire is the most hilarious thing I’ve heard

  • @Mr.Glitch
    @Mr.Glitch Год назад +2

    Some cracking choices there! I forget that Realm of Chaos stuff isn't much in the lore anymore. I started talking about it in a vid I tried making earlier and ended up deleting loads of it. 😂
    Gaunt really shaped my teen years, he was someone to look up to. Absolute hero.

  • @MrJoshuiashoemaker
    @MrJoshuiashoemaker Год назад +1

    Apocalypse was a great book to read. Really made me enjoy the Word Bearers and the approach to combat and such.

  • @ImperatorSomnium
    @ImperatorSomnium Год назад +7

    Fantasy would be interesting, I'm not thrilled with the Age of Sigmar setting and I understand from people that are more experienced in the Warhammer universe - Fantasy was better.... Also, what is your opinion on the "Infinite and The Divine" ? One of the top pieces of lore + best random story imo .... Cheers!

  • @shitsandgiggles9996
    @shitsandgiggles9996 Год назад +2

    I got daemon world awhile back due to you teasing an audiobook for it.
    Love it because it's an old school sword and sorcery story set in what you'd expect to be a sci-fi setting. Plus I prefer the small scale stories in 40k. The large scale stuff tends to be underwhelming or even shit.

  • @OptimusJedi
    @OptimusJedi Год назад +3

    The Last Church is cringe! Hahahaha! Yes! Amazing. I like some of the Heresy stuff too but yeah it really gets too high on it’s own farts. Great takes, great suggestions. I dig the off the cuff format too.

  • @langshanhexachord8749
    @langshanhexachord8749 Год назад +1

    Mr Macniel's Ventris stuff was what got me into reading 40k! I was afraid it was nostalgic bias that made me believe he was one of the best, I'm glad to have it confirmed that he's actually one of the best.

  • @fraserwatson1723
    @fraserwatson1723 4 месяца назад

    lets go! Dark Eldar trilogy is criminally underrated! glad to see it get some love!

  • @watleythewizard2381
    @watleythewizard2381 Год назад +8

    Glad to hear more Old World lore

  • @jamesharrison142
    @jamesharrison142 Год назад

    Yeah, loved the suggestions. You've got a subscription! Interested to see if you do the fantasy equivalent you mentioned

  • @lgjm5562
    @lgjm5562 11 месяцев назад

    Liked that you care about the meaning of "decimated".
    Oh and the excellent review of the books too.

  • @carminedesanto6746
    @carminedesanto6746 Год назад +1

    I go back to hearing about the Rogue Traders game…man , I’m that old!

  • @shitsandgiggles9996
    @shitsandgiggles9996 Год назад +1

    Reading path of the dark eldar right now, great stuff. Something I personally enjoy about the books is that it reminds me of how a really good evil TTRPG campaign should work.

  • @eichler721
    @eichler721 Год назад

    Great list and Chris Wraight, Dan Abnett, and Graham McNeil are my favorite authors. Guy Haley had some phenomenal ones as well.

  • @houseadams4841
    @houseadams4841 Год назад +2

    I just started the Uriel Ventris series… Inhave gotten through books 1-3 so far…..
    I was the same way at first…. “Eh…Just boring ass Ultra Marines..”
    But it’s actually a very good series so far and Uriel isn’t your basic assumption of an UM.
    Book 3 is a trip…

  • @bruni5289
    @bruni5289 Год назад +2

    >understanding how Choas works
    The Inquisition would like to know your location

  • @tonybanks544
    @tonybanks544 Год назад

    Yes please Tales of the Old war great collection of stories

  • @christopherwinsor2069
    @christopherwinsor2069 Год назад +1

    Yes please for the old world books

  • @mimamo9214
    @mimamo9214 Год назад +1

    And btw: Get yourself hired by GW! We need someone who narrates all the old stuff! For us busy people audio books are the only way to enjoy a book in theses days...

  • @loupiscanis9449
    @loupiscanis9449 Год назад +1

    Thank you , Prince of the Border .
    🐺

  • @mimamo9214
    @mimamo9214 Год назад

    Always love your Warhammer 40k content! Warhammer Fantasy however, is not really my thing...

  • @JRMshadow260a
    @JRMshadow260a Год назад +1

    Yes, do the fantasy but make sure you really mention that it's the fantasy... I get them mixed up but I'm still new to War Hammer, only 3yrs into the lore.. Plus I only play the PC games and read the books when I have time...

  • @ehtrid7038
    @ehtrid7038 Год назад

    I didnt read 2 of them ,thx! It will last until The End and ..
    And yea mate do Old World books too pls and keep the great work

  • @goldenxan2567
    @goldenxan2567 Год назад

    A Warhammer Fantasy book list sounds good also!

  • @shitsandgiggles9996
    @shitsandgiggles9996 Год назад +1

    Yes
    Please cover old hammer.

  • @steevee4610
    @steevee4610 Год назад +2

    Ollanius and John are great, Malcador has to be there. But they didn't need to create a cabal of perpetuals beyond them

  • @MrPlainsflyer
    @MrPlainsflyer Год назад

    Yeah Id love to hear your list of Fantasy just to see what was good. I read the Felix and Gotten series (mostly) but what else is good?

  • @MrJoshuiashoemaker
    @MrJoshuiashoemaker Год назад

    For me the Tau were introduced as the "good guys" and That was all it took to gain the resentment for the 40K fan base. I remember vividly when the salesman for Gameworkshop visited our local game store(heros & dragons at the time) and pitched the new faction.

  • @Wimpiethe3
    @Wimpiethe3 Год назад

    Im not into warhammer fantasy sadly. But I will probably give it a listen to get a bit of a primer.

  • @houseadams4841
    @houseadams4841 Год назад +1

    I read reviews on Audible…. And for the most part the GW WH books get solid ratings/reviews….
    But I read some reviews to try and get a better understanding of the book.. One review will give it 1-star and say it’s horrible and boring… the next gives it 4/5 - stars and says it’s great…
    So hard to get a solid understanding of how the book is… I know we all like different things.. but ithe reviews are just so all over..
    And Audible gets weird if you start returning books “too often..”
    I’ve returned a handful and now I can’t return any… pisses me off.
    Anyway…. A video series like this would really help!!!

    • @TheXandeyn
      @TheXandeyn Год назад

      Give it a few months. They put a limit on how many books you can return on a quarterly or half year basis

  • @Dogboon-
    @Dogboon- 11 месяцев назад

    You missed 'Inquisitor' by Ian Watson and a nighthunter book where the chaos space marine winds up on a hive world

  • @Leman.Russ.6thLegion
    @Leman.Russ.6thLegion Месяц назад

    Emperor's Gift for Inquisition purge mentality.

  • @bak9451
    @bak9451 Год назад

    Thanks man 👌

  • @mariuszsz5986
    @mariuszsz5986 Год назад

    Best wishes for your family and you 😌

  • @aleksandarilic9806
    @aleksandarilic9806 Год назад +1

    Hi, I'm quite new to this, maybe 2 years into listening to your narration, {can't thank you enough for that}, but got a question, shoukd i read the books here in this order or i can read whichever order?

  • @TheMaxim10083
    @TheMaxim10083 Год назад +1

    The irst trilogy of the Gotrek, the Von Carstein trilogy, Empire trilogy, the Nagash trilogy and the Sundering trilogy should cover the old world

  • @christopherwinsor2069
    @christopherwinsor2069 Год назад

    Would you consider doing the ciaphas Caine books?

  • @goldenxan2567
    @goldenxan2567 Год назад

    I've been looking for good and deep insights on 40K books, but everywhere I looked had the few same names repeated on their lists, and most of them were just not that good in my opinion. Yours was the only list I've found that had varied titles, with good reasons for each. I have read some of them already and was not super inspired by them, but I still got to hear of some titles I had not heard of before, so thank you for making this.
    EDIT: The first novel I've read from Dan was following the release sequence, so Gaunt's Ghosts, and I did NOT like it. It was the first 40K book I didn't like. There are many reasons for that, including that it doesn't feel 40K to me (Gaunt is not a real commissar in my eyes), but I eventually read Eisenhorn, and then I started liking him as a writer. Still am not a fan of Gaunt's Ghosts.

    • @kimmogensen4888
      @kimmogensen4888 Год назад +1

      Space Hulk by Gav Thorpe.
      Yarrick: The Omnibus.
      Valdor: Birth of the Imperium by Chris Wraight.
      The Master of Mankind by Aaron Dembski-Bowden.
      Slaves to Darkness by John French.
      And then = Pawns of Chaos by Brian Stableford is one ABP has on the channel 10 hours I think, don’t know if you like it but it’s a different story from the rest, it’s canon but from a different angle. Tzeentch - The Changer of the Ways. Is as sneaky as the Emperor of mankind which the book of the Emperors name explains.

    • @goldenxan2567
      @goldenxan2567 Год назад

      @@kimmogensen4888 Thank you for the recommendations! I already have Pawns of Chaos with me, I'll be reading it in time for sure. I hoped to read Yarrick eventually, but had not heard of those others. And Gav Thorpe is one of my favorites. Thank you again!

  • @mr.spuddling4187
    @mr.spuddling4187 Год назад

    Oi is the RUclips store the only way to obtain your mugs or is there more direct way (idk if they get some of your earnings or what not)

  • @kimmogensen4888
    @kimmogensen4888 Год назад

    The Emperor as a God is a powerful tool and weapon in Warhammer 40.000 which is totally different from the 30.000 crusade, and Horus heresy at the end of the crusade. It is both making people more vulnerable to Chaos, but the strongest in belief of the Emperor as a God can be the strongest weapons in the battle against Chaos, and empower the Emperor and he can also use them for the fight against Chaos by empowering them it seems. And if you as a human in 40.000 don’t believe you probably have a bad time with the Adeptus Arbites = Judge Dredd like police. And if you’re heresy is as deep rooted as ABORDER PRINCE ☸️ the Inquisition might notice your activity 🫵

  • @Dogue83
    @Dogue83 Год назад +3

    Have you ever thought about covering battletech?

  • @HeckledMind
    @HeckledMind Год назад +1

    I stayed to the end! Yea wfb books. gotrex and felix books are just a given. Dead man's party cracked me up. Weekend at Bernie's in Marienburg! Konrad was my first wfb series and it was really good starting point. Needed one more book. My seconed was Drachenfels i feel like it get too much praise. I bought the audio book to give it anouther go.
    Blood on the Reik. slaves to darkness. Darkblade. The Marienburg Series. Brunner. Knights of brettonia. All great series.
    But Gilead, i read the whole series. Miserable elf is miserable. Give it a pass.

  • @totallylegit4092
    @totallylegit4092 Год назад +1

    I have to disagree. Even though the Emperium today is vastly different than it was during the Heresy, it still is part of it.
    From the nature of chaos, to the nature of the Primarchs to nature of, all have their origins there.
    With the return of the primarchs, the fact that the emperor didnt want to be a god is quite relevant, as his sons will have to cope with the new reality.
    Furthermore some chapters also dont believe him to be a god.
    As much as you say they are separate, they are not. It’s all interconnected and it just helps with fleshing out the universe, being able to see the evolution of it.
    But this is just my opinion.

  • @jabels4479
    @jabels4479 Год назад

    So I never heard of half of these older books. But how many have been retconned? Are they still canon in general?

  • @attemptedunkindness3632
    @attemptedunkindness3632 Год назад

    A hot take: Warhammer's Constant Drachenfels novel from 1989 depicts the present Emperor of Mankind who is all a self-insert for Rick Priestley, beloved by all.

  • @angelofthelight6650
    @angelofthelight6650 Год назад

    Is there a book that is nothing but short stories that are pieced together that evolve around the Imperial Guard but we'll factions example is there like a book that has one story that's about the catagen jungle Fighters, then the next story would cover Death Korps of Krieg, then move on to
    Tallarn Desert Raiders, Mordian Iron Guard
    Also this regiment confuses me as they're also known as the acid dogs. Then the Valhallan Ice Warriors & so on? As some of these regimens are almost obscure but they're also some of the most well-known if that even makes any sense.

  • @garrettandtammylauman3213
    @garrettandtammylauman3213 Год назад

    With that Gilgamesh comment you just got ten times more love and respect from me, not that you know me or care but just thought I'd say lol

  • @Hartmansgrad
    @Hartmansgrad Год назад

    I remember reading Old Warhammer Fantasy novels when I was far too young for them...I wonder if any of them stand up beyond my rose tinted glasses

    • @timsearle5837
      @timsearle5837 Год назад

      probably. I am rereading all the 40k stuff now, 20 years on, and its better than most of the drivel that u get released today.

  • @jeffhreid
    @jeffhreid Год назад

    Free wheeling ranting is the best

  • @benren7305
    @benren7305 Год назад

    Graham McNeil is League of legends main lore writer right now I think.

  • @cameronmorton6756
    @cameronmorton6756 Год назад

    Some great reads in that list ABP. Some read, some not. Getting back into BL books after long,long absence. Have an awful lo of catching up o do.
    Great channel, will recommend to any like minded lunatics who cross my path 💀☠👼

  • @GabrielWilliamsOfficial
    @GabrielWilliamsOfficial Год назад +2

    This guy gets 40k

  • @lfx2mlfx2m8
    @lfx2mlfx2m8 Год назад +1

    can you make an introduction to warhammer from scratch?

    • @timsearle5837
      @timsearle5837 Год назад

      hard to do, so big... Id go for his list of lore videos, starting with the Emperor and then the Astartes and guards, followed by any other imperium lore, and follow on with the types of aliens, then go into campaign stories... its all here for you, you have hours of listening to do.

  • @torlekjpec5708
    @torlekjpec5708 Год назад

    Interested in a book that goes into lizardmen lore in fantasy.

  • @jadenprice1463
    @jadenprice1463 Год назад

    my annoyance with tau is simple. They have quite a few books. BUT ME ORKSIES OINLY GOTZ DA WUN BUK!!

  • @bruni5289
    @bruni5289 Год назад +2

    30K is good but it's not for newbs, you gotta know what's up first to know how it got to where it is

  • @bebbenbaby5361
    @bebbenbaby5361 Месяц назад

    No offense, I disagree. I just got into the warhammer universe in the last year and I've read most of the books you mentioned.
    I tried to get into warhammer for years and had a lot of trouble.
    Warhammer lore, for some reason, has a huge difficulty starting point. Most of the books just assume you have a lot of starting knowledge.
    The Caine series really helped teach me a lot.

  • @eddie7893
    @eddie7893 Год назад

    Cool

  • @jeffhreid
    @jeffhreid Год назад

    ABP , your boy is gonna have an awesome bedtime story experience no doubt. Nobody tells a tale with as much panache as you

  • @carllonsdale4815
    @carllonsdale4815 Год назад

    you should do WHF stuff

  • @area609joe7
    @area609joe7 Год назад

    Best books have Captain Erasmus Tycho.

  • @TheFrankencrx
    @TheFrankencrx Год назад

    Not a single Ciaphas Cain novel.. interesting.

  • @thehobbypony4265
    @thehobbypony4265 Год назад

    There is very few Old World Lore on youtube. If you were to do some I would watch and follow. Just don't let your 40k stuff slide. I might suggest making a separate channel for the Old World/Fantasy stuff. Thanks for all the 40k vids you have made.

  • @SomthingNew0
    @SomthingNew0 Год назад

    Diamond boner when ABP says he's ranting. Once again: when "I'm just ranting now" t shirt?

  • @phantomjoker5
    @phantomjoker5 Год назад

    book gang

  • @jamescarter8693
    @jamescarter8693 Год назад

    We listen for your opinion in your voice and to question Crystal smoking cigarettes or not we're not sure

  • @olivernaumann3966
    @olivernaumann3966 Год назад

    Listen's to intro, *braces self for RANT*

  • @seffthechef4236bo
    @seffthechef4236bo Год назад +1

    Comment for algorithm

  • @BM-is5ei
    @BM-is5ei Год назад

    Major Rawne is cool? Lol

  • @benren7305
    @benren7305 Год назад

    Do not like the soul drinkers.

  • @theodoremccarthy4438
    @theodoremccarthy4438 Год назад +7

    The Emperor not wanting to be a god, while inevitably becoming one, is a critique of atheism not of religion. It’s infuriating how few people understand that.

    • @patchez058
      @patchez058 Год назад +2

      Do tell? How so?

    • @PodreyJenkin138
      @PodreyJenkin138 Год назад +5

      I think it's both, the emperor was correct about religion being a shackle but 40k and the church shows how strong faith can be, without the religious fervour of the imperium humanity wouldn't have survived without Big E and the Primarchs, the imperial truth is great when you have a golden avatar fighting and directing us all but once he goes you need something to hold people together
      Ironically the worship of the emperor saved his creations and his charges

    • @theodoremccarthy4438
      @theodoremccarthy4438 Год назад +1

      @@patchez058 in the context of the setting the implications of the outcome of the Emperor’s position are that strictly secular societies are:
      1. Based on a false ideology (i.e. the Imperial Truth)
      2. Maintainable only through brutality and mass murder (i.e. the purge of Monarchia)
      3. Sought not only in defiance of abstract evils (the Chaos “Gods”) but also in defiance of human nature (which fuel said “Gods”)
      Keep in mind that both the authors and audience of the HH novels knew the Emperor would fail in his goal. It’s telling that the authors set him up to fail for being a secularist who lied to his followers rather than for actively trying to set himself up as a god. If he had been portrayed as failing due to deliberately setting up a religious system then the underlying critique of the novels would have been aimed at religion. Instead the authors are implicitly telling us, “lying to your followers and enforcing secularism doesn’t work”.

    • @theodoremccarthy4438
      @theodoremccarthy4438 Год назад

      @@PodreyJenkin138 yes, but you have to remember that it was the lie of the imperial truth which doomed the Imperium to suffer the Horus Heresy, as it left the Emperor’s sons and followers unprepared and unprotected in the face of Chaos. Religion in the setting can be and has been abused, but it is also canon in the setting that real faith is the only defense against spiritual evil. The lesson there isn’t the religion is a shackle, but rather that like the Imperium itself it is a necessity which powerful men sometimes abuse for their own ends.

    • @PodreyJenkin138
      @PodreyJenkin138 Год назад +3

      @@theodoremccarthy4438 eh, unbelief in 40k has it's own virtue, the Great crusade ran into numerous warp and chaos effected humans and xenos and didn't suffer immediate corruption, mostly due to not having a faith based mindset to twist, their lack of emotionalism shielded them
      40k shows over and over that religious thinking is often the reason why humans can be twisted to chaos so suddenly, take logar for example, if he wasn't so desperate for a godhead to worship he wouldn't have been so misled by chaos, he said himself
      "These gods actually answer me and want me to worship them" if he was atheistic and loyal like the rest he wouldn't have drank the Kool aid which happens over and over again for many imperial citizens for 10k years
      The emperor was right primitive religion is a shackle for the mind if it's false, only when 40k reveals that belief has merit due to the warp does the imperial cult and chaos find value
      Are you religious irl by chance?

  • @GangusBong1
    @GangusBong1 Год назад

    No we all want to be sargent mkoll