Depends on the subject, the purpose of the outline, whether I needed to know cases themselves, etc. If I had to average everything, I would say about 40-50 pages for a typical 1L class. Some people include WAY more detail, and some much less. I would also make a summary 2-3 page mini outline before the exam with barebones checklist of the key issues to look for. Look at samples from 2L's and 3L's at your school and see what works for you. Its the process that counts, and not the end product
In general, IRAC is smart to use. Its the most clear and time-tested approach. It doesn't need to be very formal, since you sort of internalize IRAC as a general form of analysis. So it all flows, but IRAC allows you to present everything with clarity. (For those who don't know, IRAC is an acronym for presentation of legal argument/analysis that stands for Issue, Rule, Analysis, and Conclusion)
I apologize for the abrupt ending of the video, but I had also included a portion about study tips which I felt could be improved, so I cut it out and will make a new video on that topic
Well, you need all the important legal doctrines and rules in your outlines. Typically, the most important things are discussed in class, and that is the bulk of the outline. If there were things from your reading that your professor never covered, then it likely isn't important. I would review your book notes just to fill in the holes. The final outline should be combo of lecture materials, supplement/hornbook tips, and your own notes from studying and reading that you think may help
Roughly, how long would you say outlines are? I've seen opinions that range from 10 pages to 200 pages so I'm curious as to what your take on it is. Thanks
Work experience, absolutely. They will want to know detailed work history, and you will be submitting your resume also. I believe most apps have places to discuss volunteer/extracurricular activities
Rick Wagner I don't recall the technical part of the app process, but I believe that you upload docs such as resume and personal statement as PDFs, which you can select and attach to a given app
Yes, nearly all professors allow you to bring your outlines and notes with you to the exam, along with your casebook. But this is really more of a false comfort than anything else. You won't have time to really search through your notes and casebook. Even the outline is a bit of a false crutch. As I mention in the video, its the process, rather than the finished product, that is key. You ideally want to know almost everything in that outline by the time you walk in, and would only consult it for small details, bulletpointed lists, etc.
It depends on the law school. Very few of my professors, especially during my first year, allowed any outside materials. Ask your professors what materials they allow into an exam, because it will change how you outline significantly.
No doubt. Clarify these things with your professor WELL in advance, within a few days of beginning the course. You can then tailor your approach based on what your professor allows. But at its core, the idea is the same. The true value of an outline is the process of making it, and if yor did things right, you should have little need for it come exam time anyway
Actually all of your videos are great and very useful. But the point is that you don't need to spend 13 minutes and use thousands od the words to justify your audience that why the outlining is important!! If an audience is not convinced, he/she can ask you! please speak directly and concisely. just tell us your main idea! Both of your time and our time is valuable! again thank you for the time you spent to share your great tips.
+Arya Golsorkhi Thanks for the input. I do tend to ramble when I'm speaking off the cuff. In any future videos, will try and make it more concise. Thanks again for watching, and glad you found the advice helpful.
Depends on the subject, the purpose of the outline, whether I needed to know cases themselves, etc. If I had to average everything, I would say about 40-50 pages for a typical 1L class. Some people include WAY more detail, and some much less. I would also make a summary 2-3 page mini outline before the exam with barebones checklist of the key issues to look for. Look at samples from 2L's and 3L's at your school and see what works for you. Its the process that counts, and not the end product
Thank you so so much for taking the time to make these videos! All of your videos are extremely helpful :) YAY!!
In general, IRAC is smart to use. Its the most clear and time-tested approach. It doesn't need to be very formal, since you sort of internalize IRAC as a general form of analysis. So it all flows, but IRAC allows you to present everything with clarity. (For those who don't know, IRAC is an acronym for presentation of legal argument/analysis that stands for Issue, Rule, Analysis, and Conclusion)
I apologize for the abrupt ending of the video, but I had also included a portion about study tips which I felt could be improved, so I cut it out and will make a new video on that topic
Well, you need all the important legal doctrines and rules in your outlines. Typically, the most important things are discussed in class, and that is the bulk of the outline. If there were things from your reading that your professor never covered, then it likely isn't important. I would review your book notes just to fill in the holes. The final outline should be combo of lecture materials, supplement/hornbook tips, and your own notes from studying and reading that you think may help
Roughly, how long would you say outlines are? I've seen opinions that range from 10 pages to 200 pages so I'm curious as to what your take on it is. Thanks
Sure, I can do a video on general study tips
Hello, the applications are not available to view yet does the application for the law school have spots for work experience and volunteer work?
Work experience, absolutely. They will want to know detailed work history, and you will be submitting your resume also. I believe most apps have places to discuss volunteer/extracurricular activities
So I submit a resume through lsac.orrg
Rick Wagner I don't recall the technical part of the app process, but I believe that you upload docs such as resume and personal statement as PDFs, which you can select and attach to a given app
so you're allowed to refer to your outlines and notes during the exams??
Yes, nearly all professors allow you to bring your outlines and notes with you to the exam, along with your casebook. But this is really more of a false comfort than anything else. You won't have time to really search through your notes and casebook. Even the outline is a bit of a false crutch. As I mention in the video, its the process, rather than the finished product, that is key. You ideally want to know almost everything in that outline by the time you walk in, and would only consult it for small details, bulletpointed lists, etc.
It depends on the law school. Very few of my professors, especially during my first year, allowed any outside materials. Ask your professors what materials they allow into an exam, because it will change how you outline significantly.
No doubt. Clarify these things with your professor WELL in advance, within a few days of beginning the course. You can then tailor your approach based on what your professor allows. But at its core, the idea is the same. The true value of an outline is the process of making it, and if yor did things right, you should have little need for it come exam time anyway
Actually all of your videos are great and very useful. But the point is that you don't need to spend 13 minutes and use thousands od the words to justify your audience that why the outlining is important!!
If an audience is not convinced, he/she can ask you!
please speak directly and concisely. just tell us your main idea! Both of your time and our time is valuable!
again thank you for the time you spent to share your great tips.
+Arya Golsorkhi Thanks for the input. I do tend to ramble when I'm speaking off the cuff. In any future videos, will try and make it more concise. Thanks again for watching, and glad you found the advice helpful.
thats the video I want to see "study tips"