Vixen Scuff Moment!!! It came to my attention that Neuvillette's first passive only needed one type of reaction, BUT I stated it wrong in the video. You do need 3 separate types of Hydro reactions to get the full 160% buff to his CA. Ty to all of you who brought it to my attention. This does bring even more credibility to his C1 being an amazing piece to his kit though. This is why getting his C1 helps with interruption resistance but further helps Neuvillette to pair him with Furina since the other two characters can create the necessary reactions. KEEP IN MIND! This does not mean he is not good or useless if you do not have 3 reactions occurring. Pairing him with Furina will do you much better at c0 than using that teammate slot as a different unit most likely. This doesn't really change his teams too much, just that his damage will not be that much more increased. Ty and sorry again!!!
10:01 you actually need all 3 reactions not 1 reactions 3 time to get full stack. Although you don’t need 3 different elemental teammates as long the enemies are different elements. If that was the case c1 would be pointless and his best team would be double hydro and geo
Btw for neuvis passive talent it actually does need to be different hydro reactions to get the 3 stacks if you have his c1 then you’ll only need 2 different hydro reactions instead of 3.
I agree with you the passive specifically states "the stacks created by each kind of elemental reaction exist independently" yeah he's definitely wrong on this
Vixen that's not correct on how neuvillette first passive works. It has to be 3 different reactions. You can't use kazuha for all 3 neuvillette reaction to be activated regardless how many times u do kazuha swirl on hydro That's why his c1 was created to eliminate this limition. I believe you mistakenly for Clorinde passive instead
I think the math is that Neuvilette's Discipline of the Supreme Arbitration buff gets it's maximum buff when Neuvilette is at at least 80% HP, since it's a 0.6% buff for every 1% of his HP above 30% max HP, for a maximum Hydro Damage Bonus of 30%. 30%/0.6%= 50% HP, 50% HP for full buff + the 30% HP baseline needed to start counting = 80% HP needed for full buff.
Nice guide overall, been watching your guides lately, don't really watch guides that much, but I like the way you explain things :) Also! I wanted to point out that I think you might have gotten his first passive wrong, you do actually need to trigger three different reactions to get three stacks of Past Draconic Glories (C0, at C1 only 2 different reactions). I actually went ahead and test it when you said that, first I used Neuvillette with one anemo (In this case Sucrose) and tried triggering hydro swirl three times and never got two nor three stacks of Past Draconic Glories, then I tried triggering 3 swirls but with 3 different anemo characters (Sucrose, Wanderer and Heizou) but still didn't get past one stack of Past Draconic Glories. Did the same with Lisa and then a full electro team with Neuvillette and got the same result tho. His C1 only helps you with generating one stack and thus only needing to generate two more stacks yourself, that's also why a lot of people don't really recommend a second hydro that much for C0 unless it's Furina.
Any character with the Natlan support set and any with VV combined, will give you about as much value as a Kazuha. So with Kazu yoi "save" a party slot, at least in terms of resistance shred and bonus elemental damage. In this aspect Xilonen does pretty much the same thing. Then there's also his crowd control which is extremely useful, or not at all, depending on the team and enemies. In Neuvilette teams it isn't really needed since Neuvi's AOE is so big. In other teams, on the overworld, or combat events it can be amazing. Overall I think Kazuha is amazing and fun to have, but if you only want to make your Neuvilette stronger, then Xilonen might be the more important unit to get.
In terms of just VV, it's not that needed if you have Xilonen. If you don't then VV will make a big impact against enemies with high resistance (bosses, elite enemies etc). Best anemo options are Jean, Xianyun (healers), and the upcoming anemo shielder. But honestly you can even just use a level 1 Lynette and give her low rarity VV artifacts with random stats, it'll work.
@@alexprus7953actually if you look at calcs and TC kazuha is better. Just because of the grouping that goes toward himself so neuvilette can have all his bubble near him. And if u play neuvilette against ennemies that moves a lot yes. You want kazuha. But for damage I have xilonen R1 she does help more for damage. But anyway you mostly want kazuha for neuvilette just because of the grouping
Is it alr to use Furina and Kazuha in Co-Op with him? I'm aware of the Furi/Neuvi/Kazu/Xilo team, which is why I use them. However, once I've used their skills and bursts, I feel like a deadweight just spamming Kazuha's normal attacks in an attempt to do some form of dmg (both at C0)
It might be worth it to find another DPS to play if the other players are all supports and Neuvillette. Using a DPS to either help the Neuvillette like a Cryo DPS for fun freeze reactions or even better, find a Pyro DPS to constantly vaporize off of his insane Hydro application. Either way, it works and what you're experiencing is the basic gameplay of Co-op as a support. Not much to do outside of constantly buffing
@V1xenV1ctoryVT Ah alr then. I'm the "bored and high AR" type, so I drop in on people who might need it or assist friends, hence why I tend to go for supports over DPS chrs. Thanks for the feedback!
tbh i know the 4 piece marechaussee hunter is the set for him but im currently using 4 piece wanderer's troupe which in my opinion a best set if u want more damage on his charge attack which is 35%...my crit number is quite decent with 75% crit rate & 272% crit damage with crit rate circlet with his signiture weapon
@ it depend...if i use mualani in the abyss i would use HP goblet on neuvellette if not i used hydro goblet but i used hydro goblet more since i dont have xilonen
@@Bifragura how's only give 20% when i double check it is 35% charged attack dmg...the only thing which make marechaussee hunter so good is the normal & charged attack dmg bonus & the crit rate increase which i dont need...eventually i will farm for those artifacts anyway
@ Marechausse gives 15% so the difference between the two sets is only 20%. 90% of Neuvs damage comes from his charged attack. And if you don’t have 100% CR you need CR, what are you saying?
Your advice is awful when you try to sell pulling for Furina to a Furina hater. I won't play Furina. Xilonen is debatable whether I'll pull for her, since I find her cool and likeable despite being geo, but still being geo.
Vixen Scuff Moment!!!
It came to my attention that Neuvillette's first passive only needed one type of reaction, BUT I stated it wrong in the video. You do need 3 separate types of Hydro reactions to get the full 160% buff to his CA. Ty to all of you who brought it to my attention. This does bring even more credibility to his C1 being an amazing piece to his kit though. This is why getting his C1 helps with interruption resistance but further helps Neuvillette to pair him with Furina since the other two characters can create the necessary reactions.
KEEP IN MIND! This does not mean he is not good or useless if you do not have 3 reactions occurring. Pairing him with Furina will do you much better at c0 than using that teammate slot as a different unit most likely. This doesn't really change his teams too much, just that his damage will not be that much more increased.
Ty and sorry again!!!
10:01 you actually need all 3 reactions not 1 reactions 3 time to get full stack. Although you don’t need 3 different elemental teammates as long the enemies are different elements. If that was the case c1 would be pointless and his best team would be double hydro and geo
Just to make sure I 100% understand, with Furina, Kazuha and Baizhu he should only be able to get two of the buffs from bloom and hydro swirl, right?
@@CryomancerMK1 Yes, as long as they are swirling and Blooming
Btw for neuvis passive talent it actually does need to be different hydro reactions to get the 3 stacks if you have his c1 then you’ll only need 2 different hydro reactions instead of 3.
I agree with you the passive specifically states "the stacks created by each kind of elemental reaction exist independently" yeah he's definitely wrong on this
Vixen that's not correct on how neuvillette first passive works. It has to be 3 different reactions. You can't use kazuha for all 3 neuvillette reaction to be activated regardless how many times u do kazuha swirl on hydro
That's why his c1 was created to eliminate this limition. I believe you mistakenly for Clorinde passive instead
I think the math is that Neuvilette's Discipline of the Supreme Arbitration buff gets it's maximum buff when Neuvilette is at at least 80% HP, since it's a 0.6% buff for every 1% of his HP above 30% max HP, for a maximum Hydro Damage Bonus of 30%.
30%/0.6%= 50% HP,
50% HP for full buff + the 30% HP baseline needed to start counting = 80% HP needed for full buff.
Nice guide overall, been watching your guides lately, don't really watch guides that much, but I like the way you explain things :)
Also! I wanted to point out that I think you might have gotten his first passive wrong, you do actually need to trigger three different reactions to get three stacks of Past Draconic Glories (C0, at C1 only 2 different reactions).
I actually went ahead and test it when you said that, first I used Neuvillette with one anemo (In this case Sucrose) and tried triggering hydro swirl three times and never got two nor three stacks of Past Draconic Glories, then I tried triggering 3 swirls but with 3 different anemo characters (Sucrose, Wanderer and Heizou) but still didn't get past one stack of Past Draconic Glories. Did the same with Lisa and then a full electro team with Neuvillette and got the same result tho.
His C1 only helps you with generating one stack and thus only needing to generate two more stacks yourself, that's also why a lot of people don't really recommend a second hydro that much for C0 unless it's Furina.
@@UnWeyCualquiera Yeah, i put a pinned comment in already. Sorry for the late reply
I wanted to ask how much is Kazhua needed in teams. Like how much of his power just comes from VV because i don’t have an anemo character with vv
Any character with the Natlan support set and any with VV combined, will give you about as much value as a Kazuha. So with Kazu yoi "save" a party slot, at least in terms of resistance shred and bonus elemental damage. In this aspect Xilonen does pretty much the same thing.
Then there's also his crowd control which is extremely useful, or not at all, depending on the team and enemies. In Neuvilette teams it isn't really needed since Neuvi's AOE is so big. In other teams, on the overworld, or combat events it can be amazing.
Overall I think Kazuha is amazing and fun to have, but if you only want to make your Neuvilette stronger, then Xilonen might be the more important unit to get.
In terms of just VV, it's not that needed if you have Xilonen. If you don't then VV will make a big impact against enemies with high resistance (bosses, elite enemies etc). Best anemo options are Jean, Xianyun (healers), and the upcoming anemo shielder. But honestly you can even just use a level 1 Lynette and give her low rarity VV artifacts with random stats, it'll work.
@@alexprus7953actually if you look at calcs and TC kazuha is better. Just because of the grouping that goes toward himself so neuvilette can have all his bubble near him. And if u play neuvilette against ennemies that moves a lot yes. You want kazuha. But for damage I have xilonen R1 she does help more for damage. But anyway you mostly want kazuha for neuvilette just because of the grouping
@@alexprus7953don’t forget she boosts Hydro resonance increasing Neuvs damage even more.
Don't need the reaction, just need 2 geo 2 hydro for HP buff or 1 geo 1 anemo with virendscent 2 hydro
Is it alr to use Furina and Kazuha in Co-Op with him? I'm aware of the Furi/Neuvi/Kazu/Xilo team, which is why I use them. However, once I've used their skills and bursts, I feel like a deadweight just spamming Kazuha's normal attacks in an attempt to do some form of dmg (both at C0)
It might be worth it to find another DPS to play if the other players are all supports and Neuvillette. Using a DPS to either help the Neuvillette like a Cryo DPS for fun freeze reactions or even better, find a Pyro DPS to constantly vaporize off of his insane Hydro application. Either way, it works and what you're experiencing is the basic gameplay of Co-op as a support. Not much to do outside of constantly buffing
@V1xenV1ctoryVT Ah alr then. I'm the "bored and high AR" type, so I drop in on people who might need it or assist friends, hence why I tend to go for supports over DPS chrs. Thanks for the feedback!
tbh i know the 4 piece marechaussee hunter is the set for him but im currently using 4 piece wanderer's troupe which in my opinion a best set if u want more damage on his charge attack which is 35%...my crit number is quite decent with 75% crit rate & 272% crit damage with crit rate circlet with his signiture weapon
That’s an excellent build 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 do you have him HP goblet too?
@ it depend...if i use mualani in the abyss i would use HP goblet on neuvellette if not i used hydro goblet but i used hydro goblet more since i dont have xilonen
It's not even 35% it's only 20% because 2p Marechaussee Hunter also gives you 15%. So you get 20% damage vs. 36% CR. It's not even close.
@@Bifragura how's only give 20% when i double check it is 35% charged attack dmg...the only thing which make marechaussee hunter so good is the normal & charged attack dmg bonus & the crit rate increase which i dont need...eventually i will farm for those artifacts anyway
@ Marechausse gives 15% so the difference between the two sets is only 20%. 90% of Neuvs damage comes from his charged attack. And if you don’t have 100% CR you need CR, what are you saying?
Thanks for the vid Vixen, just a question. Are refinements on Prototype Amber needed/very useful?
It's helpful but not very useful. Wouldn't see it as necessary at all. It's just like 2 more energy and 2% HP more
Can i use neuvi, furin, ororon (cinder city), and kazuha?
Yeah for sure! Ororon's love for Electro-charged is very helpful in that team. I do like Fischl or Yae Miko over him, but it works and could do well
Have you tried Ashen-graven drinking Horn?
@juliusericksonbaclig4865 Haven't used it personally, but I've heard it's ok. Main stat is nice and the ability is ok
What if I dont have Furina? You didn't ask that.
@@juliusericksonbaclig4865 Still worth. Not Perfect, but worth
This weapon banner looking kinda bad tho
Yeah... Zhongli's weapon is just useless imo and Fav sword is really the only pretty good weapon for 4 stars
Your advice is awful when you try to sell pulling for Furina to a Furina hater.
I won't play Furina. Xilonen is debatable whether I'll pull for her, since I find her cool and likeable despite being geo, but still being geo.
who hurt you??😭
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