Betfair trading software | How this new Bet Angel feature is going to change everything
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024
- Betfair trading software is a must if you want to Betfair trading is a very competitive market, but now and again something comes along that is a game changer.
If you betting in-play or doing any sort of Betfair trading in-play on Horse racing, we just launched a new feature for Bet Angel that will completely change the way you bet or trade these markets.
There are two key problems with in-play betting or trading on horse racing. The first is that camera angles can be deceptive and lead you into a trade when you can't clearly see the action of the horses.
The second is the infamous in-play delay. Because of the delay in transmitting TV pictures, there has been a turf war for the faster pictures available.
This has resulted in people even using Drones to get faster pictures than most people can see at racecourses.
This new feature in Bet Angel, now gives you the ability to benefit from racecourse telemetry. Each horse has a special device installed in the saddlecloth which can now transmit horse specific data, straight into Bet Angel.
Introduction to the new feature: -
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How to get live Horse Racing data into Bet Angel: -
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Anything that helps people make better informed decisions, about their in-running trades, has to be a good thing. Bet Angel is constantly improving/evolving and should be applauded for it.
That's the ideal. We are going to keep pushing forward to find new angles and ideas that will help our users.
Excellent addition to Bet Angel. As somebody has already pointed out an overview image of the course and the location of runners would be hugely beneficial, especially if a certain horse is either running on the rail or wide.
It will certainly change the way we trade in play. Seems to good to be true, but many thanks for this great addition to Bet Angel
Have you seen that on Betmover? They also show current race performance vs par for each runner. Need the reactions of a cat to make it pay I would imagine as you’re up against bots using the data too.
Bet Angel also contains par values. Both bits of software use the same data, but of course the automation is the key element in Bet Angel which is why we started there when integrating the data.
I've noticed a lot of 'inplay' advisors have appeared all over the place. So this will certainly mix things up a bit!
Plenty of upgrades on the way.
Have to admit, this is something that pro in-play traders would love. Me? I am purely pre-race, but the wonders of technology never cease to amaze. Wonder if Max Zorin could have used this along with his 'juice' therapy? That's one for the old uns .
Thanks for your comment. It's sort of built into Bet Angel's DNA to bring new tech to market. Let's hope we find more willing partners in the future.
Omg why you all so happy? This is a game changer for bots and game over for all people who click with mouse like me!!!!!!!!! omg
Will there be a new version of inplay trader running off TPD instead of exchange odds, like a virtual picture about where each horse is, with the ability to add in distance from leader and current speeds etc..?
There are a few videos to follow this which show some other enhancements. But we are already working on additional features on top of these enhancements.
Any suggestions are, of course, welcome.
@@betangeltv sounds good 👍
This seems like an awesome feature. Can't wait to set it up. Gonna take a while before we understand how to use the information to profitability. Simon Walton's gonna be fuming. Lol. Laughed at the Biff replica, one of my favourite films. For one second though I thought you had talked Betfair into allowing us to opt out of the 2-3 second IR bet placement delay on the ladders. Maybe one day. Good Work Team BA. Off to the forum....back from the forum.....I'm not sure how this information is going to be used to make a profit. except to confirm front runners early on. That being said I am looking forward to finding a way to use this new information. Good Job B.A.
Once you start looking at the data, you will find a lot of ways to use it. I've merged it into strategies that I couldn't find an edge in but I can now trigger on key variables such as distance remaining and how 'close' the race is.
Came here very dubious about what sort of impact it'd have, but actually, i think it's a very interesting addition.
The way we have done it is so it can give you the most valuable information. But we are going to make additions on top of this as well.
Great addition to BA... With the right automation could be brilliant outcome!
Absolutely!
Tried it out today for the first time, couple of glitches setting it up, use the info on the blog post, first race pretty big delay from prices to data, depending on race length pretty easy to scalp on the longer races, different on the shorter races, still a minefield imo. I would think you still need live pictures as a horse could fall, the price of yours shoots in which you have just layed and your wondering what the hell is going on, certainly very useful tool and actually really enjoyed using it, going forwards I do think showing the fences at the race marker indicator would be a good idea or when a horse was about to jump the fence the cell turns red, just a thought
More enhancements on the way in the new year.
Have experimented for 30 races or so , what is apparent is the time the horses start to run to the time of bet angel going into play or the live feed pictures is down to under second, what ive just witnessed at Newcastle really hasnt filled me with confidence, tried it on the place market, 8 runner race, 8th place horse 6 meters behind 3rd place in the late stages , trading at even money for a place, the horse was more or less travelling at the same speed at horses in front, in less than a second the odds went into 1.06 and suddenly it was 3rd. pretty impossible even if it was travelling at 1 mile per hour faster,
I’m a pre race trader but this is definitely a game changer. Only question is how to use all the data to one’s advantage
I think if you get in there quickly you will be able to fine a niche and make it yours.
Game changer!!!
Very much so
I wouldn't mind having a go at Bet Angel, but it's the plethora of training videos that puts me off somewhat, how long would it take for me to plough through all of those? Where would I start? Any advice greatly appreciated.
We try and help as much as possible. There is a walkthrough on the Academy site you can view - online.betangelacademy.com/courses/betfair-trading-software-bet-angel
But we do aim to refresh the content during the winter season as we have more time do to so then.
His videos are great and they are, in my opinion, just the right length too. Go through them all from the beginning....go check out the academy which has some course that are absolutely free.
TPD already partner with Betmover and plot the horses position on course maps. I can't really see how the speed and position in running is useful as a number flashing on a screen. If it was next to a graphical rep of a horse being displayed in realtime on a course map then yes it would be awesome. Betmovers price is very steep to commit and find out it's 5 seconds behind live although bet angel appears to have it reporting quick enough to have a reasonable representation of live action?
Any thoughts welcome?
You can use the TPD licence on either if you wish.
This is just the start for us and it seemed natural to make it available on Automation first as this immediately opens up a huge range of opportunties. I'm using it to trigger positions based on distance and how close the race is, or isn't. This is the great advantage of automation. Also it can alert me to opportunties.
ok you have sold me lol, i have been using geek toy for the last 3 months and its fine but bet angel just has so many more features i have not really been able to test bet angel but i have seen almost all of your videos using it and its just better
Welcome on board. Just in time for the next version, which is even better!
Imagine being in charge of data at TPD. That's what you call an edge. 🤑🤑🤑
You would be surprised how many people have data or knowledge, but can't use it.
Good video. It was a 9-10 seconds delay here. I'm not from the UK, but like if you watch a race live on TV, or a supposedly live stream, could it be delayed even by 10 seconds? I thought that would be 1 or 2, maximum 3 seconds. I mean if it is usually around 10 seconds or so, it should be easy then to win betting in-play when at the track (or the drone thing), right?
Another question: Could you do a video and show how you actually use this stuff for in-play betting, I mean like what data you consider when back or lay a horse, and how it is automatized (if it is)?
Thank you and good luck everyone :)
A live stream over the internet should cut out the final up and downlink to the final viewer. So a live feed should be a little faster than TV pictures, but still slower than a data feed direct from the course. TPD quote 200ms for the feed latency.
@@betangeltv Got it :) How about the other one? Could you do an explanation video about how you get an advantage knowing the live data feed only, how you use it for actual betting? Thx
If a horse fell/unseated, would its speed drop to 0 (or much lower than every other horse's speed) and it would be immediately obvious?
if the horse fell I imagine it'd drop to zero but if unseated the data feed would probably still show the horse running since the data is coming from sensors in the saddlecloth
That's an interesting question. Or, if a horse unseats the jockey but keeps running and presumably records a decent miles per hour figure.
I worked with the TPD about 14 months ago with my own software. Fallers were not immediately obvious and they require manual intervention from TPD operator at the course who will remove the faller from the list of runners once they notice it has fallen. At least, that's how it worked back then. I certainly wouldn't bother trying to lay a falling horse off the data
My understanding is that process is still the same.
Because there will always be a bit of jitter, I think backing or laying based on some micro data is likely to be the least interesting strategy. It's not something I've focused on.
But you can detect a sudden slow down in speed. I figured out fairly quickly that you could detect a jump just from the drop in speed and therefore ID where the jumps are and their impact on runners, which I found quite interesting.
Runners are removed from the data if they have fallen, so you shouldn't see them apart from immediately after a fall.
You will remember, i cant, there was a company offering a service which allowed punters to follow the horse around the track by a tracking method.( something placed in the saddle, from memory)This was about 10+ years ago, did not last long, did you ever subscribe to this service.
It was TurfTrax. The technology never really took off and was probably a little ahead of its time. They now focus on going reports and technology related to that.
Holy crap, my mind is running overtime thinking of uses.
All sorts of fun can be had.
I love this - I just feel its a matter of time before everyone is on it and doing the same thing.
Only hope is that people are bad at execution...
I think there are lots of angles and some of them very counter intuitive.
Very interesting peter thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it
have you always been aware of the delay of the off as shown by the Betfair in play? cant recall a comment made by you, at least in the videos ive watched
@Jon Jon, I always knew there was a delay and that it make be influencing the SP. But never figure just how big it was.
I notice TPD are at the courses broadcast by Sky Sports Racing; who provides the data at the other courses broadcast by Racing TV? Any plans to partner with them?
Yes, we have already spoken to them. But it really depends on their interest in monetising the data in this way. TPD were the first to really step up to the plate and make it happen. So we will have to wait to see if others follow suit.
When are you next doing in person training? Desperate for this!
I'll be completely honest, I'm not sure.
We had intended to restart after the Pandemic, but other things have piled on top of that. So it's still on hold for the meantime.
If they put gps on the rider, you could lay him when he fell off (mph dropped to 0
The data is good enough that you can see that in the speed data when the horse jumps or something else happens.
@@betangeltv wow im honoured, your like a celebrity to me and my friends 👍
Hello.
I do not fully understand the use of This. Can someone please give me an in-depth example, in horse Racing for instance. How does it work? Do I have to sit and watch an upcoming horse race, and Them place a Bet where I’m a little ahead of time?
And where is it possible to play “inplay”? That means live/when the race is ongoing, correct? Inlight me please
You can only bet in-play on a betting exchange on horse racing. In the UK we have a number of exchanges, but it's probably different in other countries.
Have these guys missed a trick Peter, by not creating their own exchange with these features?
There probably will be a lot of people acquiring the licenses to utilise the features, but with this amount of big solid data, theyd be better off doing an exchange on their own. Traders and even punters wont need anything else, even pictures.
They are there to help the racecourses commercialise data, so I don't think that's a path they would go down.
Hi Peter, is there any way to get stats on which races front runners are more likely to win and things like this? Like which sorts of races and which distances statistically? And information that could help you ascertain when horses may have gone off too fast and things like this? Because otherwise without this information how can you build successful strategies? I mean without keeping data of thousands of races which would take years and years of arduous data compiling (which I'm sure you've done), it's virtually impossible task for someone starting out. Thanks for any advice.
Use the par values in TPD to get this sort of information. But I also have done a video on this: -
ruclips.net/video/ROWhxLZgN2c/видео.html
@@betangeltv thanks I'll take a look.
@@betangeltv How do I find the par values in TPD?
@@betangeltv Please can you explain, I'm so confused. What are 'par values' and what does TPD offer? I have signed up to the live feed of Total performance data via bet angel (450 races) but how do I get the historic data? I just cannot work out via their site how to get the actual data. And can't find anything about par values.
Just catching up on old messages, sorry about that.
Drop a note to the thread on the forum to get a better explanation. We are looking to add additional information in the TPD fields in the next couple of releases. So that should help clarify and improve your understanding.
Generally speaking, Par values on TPD are the expected pace of a horse. So a delta between that and the current pace will tell you if the horse is running ahead of behind of the average. You can't access historic data from TPD at the moment.
Peter, you said you are looking at the data not at the picture itself. It is almost a thing from Matrix movie then! 😀
I sort of have an affinity with data. There is a sort of beauty in it.
Great integration 👍🏼.
a TPD in -play simulator ( off-line) in the making ? .. technology and the data collected should go a long way .
You can gather data already from Bet Angel to a file if you want to examine it in more detail after the race.
t ‘will be interesting to see what the data says on the effect of TPD on BSP.
I've been monitor how inaccurate BSP is compared to the start of the race since I got the data.
Lots of people are basing systems on BSP, but it's generally not a good mark.
@@betangeltv with more traders joining the in play trading cycle, I can foresee a case where the BSP is an entry price and the value being the in efficiency caused by the surge.
Bet is time to re evaluate things. Thanks for the info👍🏼
Great, however i watched one of your vids today which said ...dont ever trade in play !!
Because people were nearly always ahead of you. Not any longer.
Hi Peter, Are you going to do a video of this in action,Im literally drooling as an in running trader :)
There are so many ways to use this information, that it's almost impossible to cover all the methods. But I will produce some videos about its use and other things to give people some pointers.
We have further enhancements due as well. So you will see videos on those.
@@betangeltv Brilliant,Look forward to them
Will there be any history data logs available? Would be great to have it.
Maybe ask TPD that question as it's not something that is currently available.
Game changer.
It sure is!
Holy Moly!
Couldn't have put it better myself!
THE GPS guages knew! haha
🤣
Great sales pitch although I don't think this has any advantage or edge for the fact that most horses save plenty during a race especially NH, the naked eye beats these speed figures any day.
I've used the data to create my own models based on actual data from the races. That's been immensely helpful and something I couldn't have done without it. So I can now act on that information.
Biggest way to exploit this as I see it is laying horses going off too fast compared to average for that class at that course. As they say " horses are not machines " and they will run out of energy quickly.
There are loads of angles, some of them not obvious.
@@betangeltv Looking forward to the next vids. Sounds facinating.
That's a great strategy until a donkey makes all.
but how would you get that collated data of average speed for that class at that course etc?
Agree with that. But as well as par figures, you'd need par figures for the specific ground conditions and also need to be aware of rail movements changing the distance of races.
regarding camera angles, protocols need to be put in place. No side on gate shot when horses break from the stalls. No close ups. No shots from behind. No moving car angles. No low angle shots, no artsy-fartsy nonsense. The director/producer would be shot if they tried that garbage in Hong Kong, and I'll gladly be the trigger man. Each race course needs to install camera towers and protocols for how each race is shown. Absolute low-class garbage production from these people....as if they don't want you to see what is going on. Show us pan shots whenever available then after the replay, show us other angles. That's how it's done in the U.S. & HK.
I guess the problem is the production costs would be massive for that sort of coverage and most race meetings just don't justify that cost?
how can i make my betangel look like this?
forum.betangel.com/viewforum.php?f=74
How accurate is the gps data? Is it +/- 1.5m?
They have published FAQ's here - www.tpd.zone/faqs/
I guess Badger will have no choice and start using Bet Angel after all 😂
There is less chance of that than Badger actually coming clean about his long term track record.
I think this version of Bet Angel is what you would define as 'revolutionary' though.
Why is this software dedicated to UK and USA markets. Australian markets are 1000 times stronger then USA markets
It's all down to licensing. If the local bodies don't want to releae the data there is nothing TPD or we can do about that.
We have had discussions with other bodies, but the data is theirs unless they choose to publish it.
I think how the brain works it can interpret digital data quicker than visual data.
We are working on the next few versions now which will integrate more uses of this data. We intend to allow people to interpret and use it however they wish. So that should be helpful.
A lot of money to subscribe tho? If your going to do this you will probably have to go for £60+ a month depending on how many races you want
All that technology needs paying for. Ultimately though, the money ends up back in racing, so it's a nice cycle.
@@betangeltv fair point
Do you do any software for use on a mobile?
No, Bet Angel is too complex for a mobile solution.
ir is finnish..its automated bookmaker betting now controlled with few quid in every box. End of.
Too gloomy. Markets are made by a difference of opinion and that will always exist.
@@betangeltv markets in the last 3f are controlled by a robot. Simple as.
What makes you say that?
@@betangeltv probably playing every race for the last 17yrs. If you disagree post your p&l for the last 3mth.Its quite simple,takes about 10 seconds.
You have completely lost me there.
Any idea on the cost of the licence Key?
From £20 if you just want to have a play.
It’s £60/month if you want to do more than just weekend races.
@@betangeltv is a special license deal for BA users in the pipeline at all..? Sounds like a deal which would benefit all concerned.
We have provided the data intergation for free. You just license the data from TPD.
@@betangeltv I agree with J M, a special deal between BA and TPD with some sort of discount would be much appreciated.
Hi Peter like others have said a virtual picture would be great where you see the horses, there is another system that uses TPD and it has various colour schemes like the when the horse is winning it goes red etc here is a link to give you an idea ruclips.net/video/jzNmLSzxUPY/видео.html please delete if not allowed to post links
We are already working on new additions. This was just the start.
@@betangeltv Thanks for all your hard work and continuously improving the platform
Thank you for being a customer. Without your support we couldn't make these improvements.
What garbage is this? No wonder every one is on geeks toy, by far the best and is half the price
🤣 So wrong on so many levels. Bet Angel Trader which is a closer comparison to Geeks Toy is just £18 for three months, so it's actually cheaper.
Bet Angel Professsional has diverged massively from other software in the last ten years. So there is no comparison on that front.
Ultimately, just use whatever you want. But we are going to keep on adding new and innovative features like this to help our customers keep moving onwards and upwards.
Who is everyone ?😵💫
How do you equate evolution to garbage