Doctor Who Only Has 7 Episodes

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  • Doctor Who only has 7 episodes. Not literally (although it's not far off by this point.) But in terms of story types, the modern show only features 7 episode concepts it regularly draws from. But what are these story types, how do they work and why is this actually a good thing?
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  • @HarboWholmes
    @HarboWholmes  9 дней назад +26

    Vote Harbo
    www.patreon.com/harbowholmes

    • @thogthemighty7960
      @thogthemighty7960 8 дней назад +1

      Add a link to the tierlist so I can look at it?

  • @gullyfeather4330
    @gullyfeather4330 9 дней назад +198

    I think that there is a rare eighth category - trial / test of character. Examples include Turn Left, Heaven sent, 73 yards. I think it should be it's own category because they all have a pretty distinct plot - doctor/companion are split up, with one or the other mostly missing, the character is forced to go through trials that test their character on their own, ending with them demonstrating their strength of character through doing the right thing despite hardship, ending with their death, resurrection and a loss of memory.

    • @harkinmassopust948
      @harkinmassopust948 8 дней назад +17

      would “the girl who waited” count in this category too? i think it meets a lot of the requirements

    • @gullyfeather4330
      @gullyfeather4330 7 дней назад +7

      @@harkinmassopust948 yeah, good point! I think it does fit the some plot points

    • @veradux6374
      @veradux6374 6 дней назад +3

      I think for there to be an eighth category there needs to be an episode that fits only that category. All of the examples above are character studies within mystery stories.

    • @LisaBeta-42
      @LisaBeta-42 6 дней назад

      Isn't that something "Rebirth" coveres? The old Assyrians (who claimed "there is nothing new under the sun" 5k years ago) had only 5 different plotlines, missing in the "wibbely wobbely timy wimey" department and probably putting quest & voyage in the same group together. Heavily relaying on supernatural intervention to put meaning into their tales.
      But that is all about "stories".
      The need to write something down came from planning provisions, raising (fair) taxes, finding dates for farming or hunting, keeping track of time and history - numbers and dates came before heros and quests- Religions had to sort out the powers of their gods and the rules of worship. Also the rules for punishment, if people misbehaved or ehat kind of reward was to be expected, if the gods smiled upon you and let you have a good life. Next step: how to behave if difficulties bring turmoil into your life.
      From rags to riches is a grat reward for any poor fairytale farmboy with arrogant elder brothers: HE gets the princess and is allowed to rule the land after fulfilling several impossible quests - but from the princesses point of view, it becomes a total nightmare: the land in shambles, you might be the next virgin to be fed to the dragon and "Mister smelly-bump" flounces in, overcomes the monster and gets married to you! Pardon me??? Free choice of husband? Oh no, not for princesses, they are bred to get offered to likely allies in an arranged wedding 😅

    • @azaleacolburn
      @azaleacolburn 2 дня назад +1

      I agree, and they often hybridize with other stories, like how turn left is also timey wimey.

  • @EGGY3994
    @EGGY3994 9 дней назад +285

    Time shenanigans = Wibbly Wobbly, Timey wimey

    • @matthiasschulz3569
      @matthiasschulz3569 9 дней назад +12

      That's the obviously correct answer :)

    • @raffausfaus
      @raffausfaus 9 дней назад +4

      That’s the correct name

    • @DaleRibbons
      @DaleRibbons 8 дней назад +4

      That's perfect!

    • @photelegy
      @photelegy 8 дней назад +2

      Yes, exactly.
      I wanted to write this but was sure someone already did 👍🏻

    • @mrafton9457
      @mrafton9457 5 дней назад +3

      @@photelegy Just go back in time and put it down before they do. But if you did it first, I wouldn't have given you the idea. And if I didn't give you the idea, you wouldn't have gone back in time to do it. And if you hadn't gone back.....

  • @ramen-numerals
    @ramen-numerals 9 дней назад +328

    I would change mystery to "The Doctor doesn't know", as the reason they ARE mystery's are because we aren't given an instant solution and the Doctor's goal is to learn what he needs to do.

    • @SomeUsernameSomeoneElseTookIt
      @SomeUsernameSomeoneElseTookIt 9 дней назад +4

      True...

    • @fazolis2024
      @fazolis2024 9 дней назад +6

      Mystery is a genre so yes, that name change would work

    • @frostpatch2347
      @frostpatch2347 9 дней назад +16

      Well it doesn't have to be the doctor. In 73 yards, Ruby doesn't know, and that episode is still a mystery. We could also end up with another doctor-lite episode where the companion is the one trying to solve the mystery

    • @SomeGuy-fi9rz
      @SomeGuy-fi9rz 8 дней назад +5

      ​@@frostpatch2347Yeah and there's also Blink, a classic mystery episodr and the Doctor's like the only one who knows what's going on the whole time

    • @frostpatch2347
      @frostpatch2347 8 дней назад +3

      @@SomeGuy-fi9rz Oh yeah, I wasn't sure if he put blink in base under seige, but it could also count as another example of hybridization

  • @MrSimpleton
    @MrSimpleton 9 дней назад +89

    I really thought this video was going to be reducing the entirety of New Who into 7 episodes that still tell an understandable story. But this is good too!

  • @ShadowSearcher31
    @ShadowSearcher31 9 дней назад +162

    You know, the 11th doctor’s era makes at least some more sense when you view it as The Doctor trying to make the most of his last life

    • @arthemis1039
      @arthemis1039 8 дней назад +13

      Yes but upon rewatch the fact it was supposed to be his last life is very unclear. The only times it has been clear was in Let's Kill Hitler and Time of the Doctor - in those two episodes he was supposed to be unable to regenerate. But in Season 6 Episode 1, when River shoots him he starts to regenerate !
      Also in Nightmare in Silver he threatens to regenerate to kick out the CyberPlanificator. I don't believe it was bluff.
      DW has always been very weird about regeneration rules ; don't forget the Valeyard is supposed to be an post 12th incarnation. So the Doctor had to know that he did not die here. Same with the Curator that he met in DOTD.
      TC atleast put an end to the cycle limit ; the only question is : did the fobwatch only rob the Doctor of his memories, or did it also turn him into a Gallifreyan ? Maybe if the Time Lords did nothing on Tranzalore, in cannon the Doctor would have regenerated anyways because he is the TC.

    • @Kephy_
      @Kephy_ 7 дней назад +7

      @@arthemis1039 River shoots at a fake robot Doctor so it doesn't count bruh

    • @scurrilousss
      @scurrilousss 6 дней назад +1

      The regeneration limit might be the very worst thing that was ever added to the canon.

    • @tardissins7512
      @tardissins7512 6 дней назад +3

      @@arthemis1039the easy answer is that the Timeless Child isn’t canon, because it’s a poison that robs stories of meaning and destroys canon. In time it will be retconned and the show might return to its prime.

    • @gnockgnock6965
      @gnockgnock6965 3 дня назад

      @@tardissins7512 Yet right now the current showrunner is running with it.

  • @TheBeastBoss04
    @TheBeastBoss04 9 дней назад +98

    "187, by my rough count" as if there's a chance that's not the right number

    • @TheBeastBoss04
      @TheBeastBoss04 9 дней назад

      @@Kesteen true

    •  9 дней назад +11

      The possibility is that two parters (that have the same title and dubbed part one and part two) might be considered a single episode, or each an episode in its own right. Power of the Doctor, for example, was aired first as a single ninety minute episode in its premiere, and then they split it in half for the reruns (that might not be the case everywhere, but in Turkey BBC First did so, and it's very much official because the title sequence and credits were all modified accordingly); it wasn't the same for End of Time, but still some might consider it a single episode. And then there are the "webisodes", children in need specials etc., which make it even more complicated...

  • @dw7704
    @dw7704 9 дней назад +49

    One of my favourite misunderstood monster stories in Doctor Who is Time Heist.
    It has elements of mystery and even base under siege in reverse (The Doctor is besieging), but misunderstood monster is at the heart of the story

    • @something1600
      @something1600 9 дней назад +9

      Yeah, a lot of stories tend to have multiple of these elements (like The God Complex).

  • @SoulSloth147
    @SoulSloth147 9 дней назад +157

    Time shenanigans should be called 'Nathan Gibson' to honor the guy that's disappeared from wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff.

    • @ellibobble1655
      @ellibobble1655 9 дней назад +28

      I figured out where he went… Harbo stepped on a butterfly. It is the same thing that happened with Pete

    • @nathxn05
      @nathxn05 9 дней назад +14

      @@ellibobble1655 who's pete?

    • @designationmax6097
      @designationmax6097 9 дней назад +10

      @@nathxn05that’s right!

    • @ellibobble1655
      @ellibobble1655 9 дней назад +12

      @@nathxn05 you know, Bill’s best friend Pete

    • @sacrificiallamb4568
      @sacrificiallamb4568 7 дней назад +3

      @@ellibobble1655 I remember Pete. He's the bald guy from River Song, right?

  • @aeloswindrunner
    @aeloswindrunner 9 дней назад +28

    I like how this framework works to summarise the episodes without feeling limiting. There's plenty of variety within each type, even without hybridisation

  • @truthhertz10
    @truthhertz10 9 дней назад +25

    I didn't know Harbo was in so many episodes, guess a rewatch binge is in order!

  • @guillaumecrener4159
    @guillaumecrener4159 9 дней назад +41

    Let's say Dot and Bubble is a " Misunderstood monsters" story

    • @stephjovi
      @stephjovi 9 дней назад

      so because they`re racist a holes, the monster is ok to eat them the dot ok to kill them? I guess :)

    • @hued2542
      @hued2542 7 дней назад +4

      Monsters gotta eat too 😢

    • @MusicMeltsReal
      @MusicMeltsReal 3 дня назад

      The racist eating space slugs did nothing wrong

    • @franchementjesaispas5861
      @franchementjesaispas5861 5 часов назад +1

      I'd say humans are the misunderstood monsters here

  • @debrahanes4439
    @debrahanes4439 9 дней назад +38

    Temporal dysfunction is a little better name.

    • @StaceyGreenstein
      @StaceyGreenstein 9 дней назад +4

      Some of these are highly funcitonal! XD

    • @debrahanes4439
      @debrahanes4439 8 дней назад +1

      @@StaceyGreenstein I meant it more dys as dystopian because most of them happen in dystopias

  • @cmbeadle2228
    @cmbeadle2228 9 дней назад +88

    Very bold of you to introduce the "actually good unlike all the other terrible episodes" category just for Love and Monsters.

  • @milky7257
    @milky7257 9 дней назад +19

    Call it Timey-Wimey. My favourite Timey-Wimey is Blink, but Before the Flood is also a great Timey-Wimey.

  • @AmelityshTV
    @AmelityshTV 9 дней назад +33

    The editing is so so good here

  • @lambdafish291
    @lambdafish291 9 дней назад +59

    I actually think there is one more story type that isn't covered here, that being "Character Study". There are stories that fit into the existing 7 categories vaguely but doing so misses the point of the episode. Girl in the fire place is both a historical and time travel story, but both of those only cover the backdrop of the story. The real heart of the story is a study of the character of Madam de Pompadore.
    Girl in the fireplace wasn't even the episode that drew me to this extra story type though, Human Nature was, since the entire focus is studying who the doctor is.
    Love and Monsters, and the character of Elton (and Jackie) also fits here really well, as does the new episode Dot and Bubble

    • @alexanderrobertson9297
      @alexanderrobertson9297 9 дней назад +4

      I agree because I was trying to place dot and bubble and didn't think it was a invasion or bace under seage or mystery.

    • @Wedge_Khan
      @Wedge_Khan 8 дней назад +2

      Vincent and the Doctor also fits perfectly

    • @richardgurney1844
      @richardgurney1844 7 дней назад +1

      Nah, "Character Study" just isn't specific to Doctor Who so misses the point of this video. Any of the '7 episode types' could do a character study
      Such as:
      Girl in the Fireplace (time-travel shenanigans)
      Love and Monsters (Supervillain)
      Human Nature/Family of Blood (Base Under Seige)
      Vincent and The Doctor (celebrity Historical)
      Dot and Bubble (Invasion)

    • @Kephy_
      @Kephy_ 7 дней назад

      @@richardgurney1844 Dot and Bubble isn't an Invasion story and Human Nature is everything but a Base Under Siege it's probably Invasion instead

    • @richardgurney1844
      @richardgurney1844 7 дней назад

      @@Kephy_ The slug monsters in Dot and Bubble have literally conquered the home world, and are about to do the same to "Funtime" - it's clearly an invasion story, plain and simple.
      And I'm treating Human Nature & Family of Blood as 1 story (so I'll edit my previous comment to make it clearer). In this story, The Family aren't trying to invade Earth they're just tracking The Doctor down. In Human Nature, the Family make plans and make a move and amass an army of scarecrows; in Family of Blood, The Doctor has the school children defend the school. So yes I personally think 'base under siege' is the best category for this story

  • @CrikeyItsDan
    @CrikeyItsDan 9 дней назад +27

    Random but I was playing RuneScape in the background whilst watching the video.
    And I kept wondering why random RuneScape songs keeps playing, when I've been in the same location the entire time.
    Finally clicked on you're using the music in your video!😅🤣

    • @GreenPixelz
      @GreenPixelz 8 дней назад

      Same exact thing happened to me. Was chopping some Teak trees and wondered what was going on.
      Paused the video out of confusion, then I realised lmao.

  • @justanormalhumanbeing1903
    @justanormalhumanbeing1903 9 дней назад +9

    I love the editing of this video with harbo just popping up all over time and space... harbo is Susan twist confirmed????

  • @jaziybabe
    @jaziybabe 9 дней назад +8

    Base under siege is so interesting! That definitely is a classic DW narrative but I never really thought about the fact that it is fairly unique to this show

    • @cliffhomewood
      @cliffhomewood 2 дня назад +1

      I would have said Base under Seige is an invasion story, they are trying to invade somewhere and we are stopping them. Its a subset of Invasion. In a normal invasion storyline Earth could be the base under siege

    • @Meritania
      @Meritania 2 дня назад

      I think the classic none-who version is the Agatha Christie “and then there were none” which would then inspire the other murder-mystery mansion settings. Usually a bunch of victims trapped with a murderer and the detective has to find them before they kill again.

    • @pokechimp88
      @pokechimp88 15 часов назад

      A lot of the classic Cybermen stories (Tenth Planet, Moonbase, Wheel in Space) are good examples of this.

    • @jaziybabe
      @jaziybabe 14 часов назад

      @@cliffhomewood yeah that makes sense to call it a subset, but definitely still it’s own thing

    • @jaziybabe
      @jaziybabe 14 часов назад

      @@Meritania hmm yeah kind of a cross between invasion and closed location mystery

  • @LordLemming47
    @LordLemming47 9 дней назад +23

    Harbo is on the FBI's Most Wanted list now...

  • @fanthonyfictions
    @fanthonyfictions 9 дней назад +8

    Should Family of Blood not be a base under siege? They were just attacking one small town, and they didn't really attack the town itself until the last five minutes outside of one pub.
    Most of the focus was on the school.

  • @shayforest
    @shayforest 9 дней назад +4

    as a Whovian who LOVED The Seven Basic Plots as a kid, I'm in awe of how well you accidentally catered directly to me here xD

  • @dashylongfoot
    @dashylongfoot 9 дней назад +8

    If I were to pick 7 episodes to hook fans, I think a good listing would be:
    Rose
    The empty child
    Blink
    The eleventh hour
    Oxygen
    World enough in time
    Day of the Doctor

  • @carsonclay2965
    @carsonclay2965 9 дней назад +5

    I think there should be an "all is lost" category where the world already ended in a previous episode and the main goal is to reverse it. e.g Last of the Time Lords, The Big Bang, Wedding of River Song, Lie of the Land, Flux, and now Empire of Death.

    • @thekiss2083
      @thekiss2083 4 дня назад

      Most of those are invasion plots, just scaled up because they're also the season finale.

  • @emperordalek102
    @emperordalek102 9 дней назад +8

    dalek emperor is definitley part of a super villain catagory in parting of the ways

  • @johnjekyllson28
    @johnjekyllson28 9 дней назад +5

    The Eleventh Hour doesn’t feature an invasion; the earth was being threatened with destruction if they didn’t track down and give up Prisoner Zero.

  • @something1600
    @something1600 9 дней назад +4

    I would say that "Mummy on the Orient Express" and many other Mystery stories are also Base under Siege stories.
    (an isolated area (the Orient Express), a monster to do the sieging (the Foretold) and a cast of characters).

  • @albertoporygatto3764
    @albertoporygatto3764 9 дней назад +2

    Very interesting video! You chose a pretty distinctive subject to analyse, I haven't seen people talk about Doctor Who genres and I didn't knew I needed it. It gives pleasure to my obsessive need for organisation. 😂
    I think you nailed it, it seems pretty accurate and the diversity of stories, with 7 main archetypes+different combinations, is the reason I love Doctor Who and when I don't like 1 episode, 3 episodes, 4 episodes... I'll never drop Doctor Who because the masterpiece is right behind the corner. All stories are so different and unique and this is what makes Doctor special. ❤
    Good job with the video!

  • @StaceyGreenstein
    @StaceyGreenstein 9 дней назад +11

    I think it would be interesting to look at the highly- and lowly-rated episodes and see how well or poorly they implement a category. I'm thinking Spyfall... it has Invasion, Supervillain, Mystery, Historical, and Time Travl Shenanigans all in nearly equal mix, making it overall a rather weak story.

    • @user-ef7kt5sf6o
      @user-ef7kt5sf6o 9 дней назад

      IMDb can be very unreliable for doctor who though, I mean name of the doctor is for some reason a 9/10

    • @PosthumanHeresy
      @PosthumanHeresy 9 дней назад +2

      @@user-ef7kt5sf6o Plus anything from the most recent series is review-bombed.

    • @user-ef7kt5sf6o
      @user-ef7kt5sf6o 9 дней назад

      @@PosthumanHeresy exactly it’s the whole “new thing bad, old thing good”

    • @PosthumanHeresy
      @PosthumanHeresy 8 дней назад +2

      @@user-ef7kt5sf6o Not in this case. In this case it's "he's black and queer".

    • @richardgurney1844
      @richardgurney1844 7 дней назад

      ​@@user-ef7kt5sf6oThat episode is awesome! I gave it a 9 myself on IMDb
      But yeah the general point of some episode ratings are skewed/unreliable is true. I have no idea at all why The Woman Who Fell To Earth has a rating as high as 7, for instance!

  • @rockbandny
    @rockbandny 9 дней назад +4

    I fucking love the monk trilogy

  • @frostwing1899
    @frostwing1899 9 дней назад +4

    you could’ve called time travel shenanigans wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff

  • @cosmichobo4216
    @cosmichobo4216 9 дней назад +3

    Wonderful video, the many story archetypes this show does, is the reason why I love it so much. Also possibly another name for the Time Travel shenanigans could be called Timey Wimey Stuff, a reference to Blink

  • @isaaccate1623
    @isaaccate1623 9 дней назад +4

    New editing style is going hard 👍🏼👍🏼

  • @AmelityshTV
    @AmelityshTV 9 дней назад +7

    Absolutely wonderful choices for music. Historic version Toothless Dances meme, a version of We Are Number One. It makes the video seem a lot more upbeat

    • @troytab6089
      @troytab6089 9 дней назад +3

      ...It's not from the Toothless Dances meme. The music is from Pokémon Black/White.

    • @AmelityshTV
      @AmelityshTV 9 дней назад +1

      @@troytab6089 Still, Toothless Dance. Fun song

  • @captainstage2009
    @captainstage2009 2 дня назад +1

    I’d love to see more episodes of the Doctor actually using his time traveling abilities to benefit the episode. We often see the doctor go to someplace at sometime at the beginning of the episode, but I’d love it if he could utilize his TARDIS for more specific, in-story purposes.

  • @loyalcarpark4642
    @loyalcarpark4642 9 дней назад +2

    Was not expecting that Todd Howard jumpscare

  • @db7541
    @db7541 9 дней назад +11

    15:05 I agree all stories fall into at least one of these, but yeah they don’t all fall into only one as you say. Waters of Mars, for example, is a celebrity historical AND a base under siege. Power of Three is an invasion and a mystery. But I agree that that’s what helps make it good :)

    • @StaceyGreenstein
      @StaceyGreenstein 9 дней назад +7

      Waters of Mars is not a Historical: Historicals are restricted to events in the past as of the story's airing. While for the Doctor it is historical, what matters is the audience perspective. Power of Three I think is somewhat weaker as it blends Invasion and Mystery poorly, and with an especially weak Supervillain ending.

    • @db7541
      @db7541 9 дней назад +5

      @StaceyGreenstein I don’t really see why WoM wouldn’t be considered a celebrity historical, there’s nothing that differentiates it in that sense from an episode like the Unquiet Dead, with Adelaide Brooke filling much the same role as Dickens in that. I get she’s not a real person but I don’t see why that’s relevant or where Harbo said that. The whole episode is treated like it’s a historical.

    • @troytab6089
      @troytab6089 9 дней назад

      ​@@db7541 The Celebrity Historical type of episodes specifically refer to IRL famous figures.
      If you want to argue that Waters of Mars is a Celebrity Historical, then you'd have to say that 72 Yards is one too, because of Robert Ap Gwilliam. And so is Kaboom! because of the Kaboom company.
      And, on the more extreme end, it'd make the Face Of Boe episodes, and Liz 10 in Beast Below, and more count too, because they're characters who are famous in the Doctor Who universe.
      Celebrity Historicals - or just Historicals as most call them - in Doctor Who, specifically refers to when the Doctor time travels back, and interacts with a real world historical figure as the main premise of the episode.
      Charles Dickens, William Shakespeare, Vincent Van Gogh, Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, whichever Queen it was in that werewolf episode.
      This also means that the Queen in Day of the Doctor doesn't count as a celebrity historical. She was in the episode, but not the main focus. Same goes for Isaac Newton in the second of the 14th Doctor's specials.

    • @troytab6089
      @troytab6089 9 дней назад +2

      ​@@db7541 Another thing -
      Waters of Mars isn't treated like a Historical.
      In Historicals, the Doctor is usually changing things intentionally to make sure things go as they're supposed to. Stopping the undead from killing Dickens before his time, stopping witches from killing Shakespeare before his time, et cetera. The Doctor is in the right, because he's stopping a monster and putting time right.
      In Waters of Mars, the focus is on the Doctor's morality. Does he save Adelaide, or does he preserve the timeline? He spends most of the episode as a watcher, saying he can't save them because he's preserving the timeline,
      But in the end he goes against that, saving Adelaide anyway, and goes morally off the rails.
      If you want to compare it to another episode, you'd have been better off comparing it to Fires of Pompeii. Even the titles are similar.
      The Doctor is there, watching, but refuses to save people as it'd be against the timeline. Until the very end when he goes back on that and saves a small few people.
      But even with that, that's where the similarities end.
      Waters of Mars wasn't about Adelaide, or about some metaphor they told using Adelaide, or about Adelaide's impact on the world.
      Waters of Mars was about the Doctor becoming the Time Lord Victorious, and realising how messed up he was.

    • @richardgurney1844
      @richardgurney1844 9 дней назад +3

      ​@@troytab6089I would argue that Waters of Mars can still count as a historical - just one that subverts expectations. The Doctor is supposed to let time happen as it should (as per the formula), but he doesn't - but then time gets back on track anyway
      (Not that it matters what the "correct" answer is, it's just a great story we love)

  • @AnythingMachine
    @AnythingMachine 9 дней назад +7

    Shh, you're gonna end up on the RTD, Moffat or Chibnall kill list

    • @LeviPennington-vv2kq
      @LeviPennington-vv2kq 9 дней назад +3

      Yeah, right at the top of Chinball’s kill list, right up there with Doctor Who

  • @AlephSharp
    @AlephSharp 6 дней назад +1

    "I won't use pre established genres. They must be specific to doctor who, for obvious reasons."
    Roughly 20 seconds later:
    "...Mystery .... Historicals"

  • @Faux_rl
    @Faux_rl 9 дней назад +1

    Love how you edited yourself into the show makes it way more fun to view! Really makes ya think, personally time travel shenanigans is my absolute fav!

  • @nicka3697
    @nicka3697 9 дней назад +2

    I think you could get 8 by splitting historicals into character and settings there is a lot of difference between Rosa or Vincent and Demons of the Punjab or fires of Pompeii.
    I was wondering if old who might bring up another option that new who hasn't focused on. Maguffin hunt perhaps.

  • @MrZoay
    @MrZoay 9 дней назад +2

    Love your editing style in this one! Wasn't expecting to see you popping up in the shots!

  • @SebTheNoob314
    @SebTheNoob314 9 дней назад +1

    I’d change Time travel shenanigans to Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey stories

  • @TJWehse
    @TJWehse 9 дней назад +3

    Personally I just call them “Timey-Wimey episodes”

  • @bryangillis1362
    @bryangillis1362 9 дней назад +3

    I feel like it's hard to cleanly fit 73 Yards into any of these categories. The closest is a mystery, but it really isn't structured like a mystery - there's no progress towards an explanation, and that's largely the point of it. I think it makes a good argument for one more category: Horror. This could also include the other famous unsolved mystery episode, Midnight, and many, many others.

  • @SteveSmith-wk9dx
    @SteveSmith-wk9dx 9 дней назад +1

    "Timey-wimey stuff" was right there for time-travel shenanigans, and you didn't use it?

  • @harveybowen806
    @harveybowen806 9 дней назад +1

    A medieval rendition of the driftveil city music? Top marks

  • @blindguygamer
    @blindguygamer 9 дней назад +2

    Great list. 7 episode types, 7 chords. I think my favorite type is the base under siege, Horror of Fang Rock being my number 1.

  • @markwaddington5185
    @markwaddington5185 9 дней назад +1

    Surely 'wibbly wobbly, timey wimey' fits the time travel shenanigans story type best 😂

  • @swattofficer6624
    @swattofficer6624 9 дней назад +1

    "Time travel shennanegins?" Surely you mean "Wibbly wobbly, timey wimey...stuff"

  • @sarahandthesafeword6632
    @sarahandthesafeword6632 4 дня назад

    I love the idea of "Midnight" being the setup of a Misunderstood Monster that progresses into a Supervillain episode by the end.

  • @doro626
    @doro626 8 дней назад +1

    X-Files was like this. They even made a special explaining it. I cant remember them all, but it was something like: Government Conspiracy, Alien Abduction, local legends and Weird human with abilities and I think it actually helps to not go all Willy Nilly.

  • @christopherspencer8110
    @christopherspencer8110 9 дней назад +1

    Organizing Doctor Who stories by setting is absolutely valid, but I wonder if using theme as the commonality would perhaps better capture the breadth of the show.
    The Empty Child takes place during the Blitz, but it’s about abandonment. The Waters of Mars is set in a base under attack, but what’s important in the episode is the Doctor embracing the godhood of the Time Lord victorious. The Family of Blood has a lot in common with Casablanca: sometimes we are called upon to sacrifice love for the greater good.
    These are among the highest rated episodes, and I think that’s because Doctor Who, at its very best, uses setting/genre as a tool for exploring the nature of humanity. The structure of the show and the heart of the show are different things, and as if to emphasize which one is more crucial, they gave the Doctor two hearts.

  • @daraghokane4236
    @daraghokane4236 9 дней назад +1

    They should give the Doctor a Dalek companion, The way Daleks kill the defected impure ones have one of them get saved by the Doctor and go on adventures. We had a few good Darlexs Clara and Rusty so why not at least for a few Episodes

  • @olived9560
    @olived9560 9 дней назад

    Ooo very good video! And editing yourself into scenes was HILARIOUS I loved it so so much

  • @Reginald425
    @Reginald425 9 дней назад +2

    Nice editing and analysis!

  • @olaoluwapowilliams5169
    @olaoluwapowilliams5169 9 дней назад +1

    Just change from “Time Travel Shenanigans” to “timey-wimey”

  • @LucyDay1
    @LucyDay1 8 дней назад

    love the editing on this one, great video!

  • @Rose337
    @Rose337 5 дней назад

    just have to say your background music choices for this video are fantastic :)

  • @danielcaswell6273
    @danielcaswell6273 9 дней назад +4

    Mystery and base episodes overlap a lot

  • @JoshWiniberg
    @JoshWiniberg 9 дней назад +1

    I don't know who coined the term "base under siege" but I first heard it about 20 years ago, used to describe Terry Nation's stories (ie most early Dalek stories). So as a description of DW stories it probably goes all the way back to the 60s or 70s.

  • @wiloto
    @wiloto 9 дней назад

    Loved the video and the editing is top notch!

  • @emmiannon1266
    @emmiannon1266 9 дней назад +1

    They shouldnt be seen as catagories, instead as labels. this makes much more sense than having to justify pretty much every episode as "hybrid" just add the labels that apply to the episodes they apply to.

  • @carinseein
    @carinseein 7 дней назад +1

    What I would like to see doctor who do to play with these reused "plots"
    1) invasion. Have the invading force be human or timelord. The doctor lands in England as the Roman invade or north America for the British or Spanish invasions. Or to keep better with sci-fi, earths expansion to other planets or galifreys emperial age.
    2) base under seige. Have the doctor try to contain an enemy team, and have the episode be from their perspective, having us debate his morality until we reveal his actions were completely necessary and reluctant.
    3) mystery. The false mystery, where we start with the answer as the doctor works against his oppositions from finding out the truth. The easiest and best way to do this is "there is an alien amoung us" watching everyone create methods and test who is and isn't human as the doctor over comes each test with the aid of his companion.
    4) time travle shenanigans. Don't reveal it to us at all, play the episode as a meta deconstruction full of reality and canon contradictions that would normally pull heavy criticism only to reveal a time traveler with a paradox machine At the end.
    5) historical, having it played in universe as the doctor is someone else's historical legendary figure, like blink or river song, but having only heard of them and fully knowing how this story and event will play out in the long run.
    6) super villian. The doctor vs companion. Either recent or long past, no brain control or manipulation, full disagreement into war. Like if Martha was there for timelord victorius "you've gone to far doctor"
    7) misunderstood monster. Just have it be the doctor. Hell, even pair it with the mystery episode "there's an alien amoung us" from before for a solid 2 part episode.

  • @timothybarnett1006
    @timothybarnett1006 2 дня назад

    Base Under Siege's has it's origins in 60s budgetary requirements, when during the Troughton era the production team established that they could maximise a story's budget by having limited guest stars and limited sets - a corridor, central control area and a smaller room that could function as multiple roles, such as sleeping quarters, lab etc. I think the term was popularised during the 80s in fan criticism/analysis.
    One of my favourite BUS of the modern era, which hybridises with the mystery type is _Wild Blue Yonder,_ where the Base in question is reality, and the only actors are the principals and their stand ins, taking place completely in a studio, thereby absolutely minimising any leaks. Remember the completely wild fan speculation around it prior to broadcast?

  • @BlakeGamer-qy6ve
    @BlakeGamer-qy6ve 7 дней назад

    Wow, great editing in this video.

  • @VictoriaStewart
    @VictoriaStewart 9 дней назад

    The editing in this is too good 🙌🏼

  • @CineScarborough
    @CineScarborough 7 дней назад

    Another story type I'd add is 'The Doppelganger'. There are a few stories like The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People and The Zygon Invasion/The Zygon Inversion where the Doctor and/or the characters around him have doppelgangers.

  • @thomasbarnett2425
    @thomasbarnett2425 8 дней назад

    Now someone needs to take these and watch the whole show, and see what combos each episode is

  • @ItsMeGPZ
    @ItsMeGPZ 9 дней назад +1

    I thought this video was something else so I figured I'd suggest a video: If you could only have one episode from each Doctor, which ones would it be?

  • @thomasoa
    @thomasoa 8 дней назад

    "Not a monster" and "humans are the monster" twists usually come in mystery episodes. Since these episodes aren't narratively evident until the twist, it isn't really a story type, it seems more like a twist on another story type. It is definitely a trope, and an important Who pattern, but not a story type.

  • @nothingtoreport1918
    @nothingtoreport1918 9 дней назад

    I love how much Siivagunner music you used in the intro lmao
    All joking aside this is a really cool video!!!

  • @lazulenoc6863
    @lazulenoc6863 День назад

    This is my most anticipated video from your channel.
    Edit: Didn't expect to hear We Are Number One.

  • @archief1783
    @archief1783 9 дней назад +2

    I’ve always wondered, is the waters of mars a historical episode set in the future?

    • @thekiss2083
      @thekiss2083 4 дня назад

      Historical / Base Under Siege / Timey-Wimey

  • @K-o_S
    @K-o_S 3 дня назад

    Here's my favourite episode of each category, not that anyone asked;
    Invasion - Army of Ghosts/Doomsday (Army of Ghosts is definitely more of a mystery but I think it gets a pass for the invasion category since it's set up for Doomsday which is a lot more invasiony wasiony)
    Base Under Siege - World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls
    Mystery - Heaven Sent
    Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey Stuff - The Day of The Doctor (this is also my favourite episode overall)
    Historical - Vincent and The Doctor/The Shakespeare Code/Tooth and Claw
    Supervillain - The End of Time/The Eleventh Hour/Smith and Jones
    Misunderstood Monster - The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances

  • @lewischudley2621
    @lewischudley2621 9 дней назад

    ‘Temporal trouble’ isn’t of ‘time travel shenanigans’

  • @321puca
    @321puca 7 дней назад +1

    The only one I can think of maybe not fitting is Hell Bent? Though maybe you could say it's an invasion story and the Doctor *is* the invading alien

  • @brobs0463
    @brobs0463 9 дней назад +1

    Could you count episodes like New Earth as a historical? Its going somewhere in history, it just happens to be after us

  • @MadScientist512
    @MadScientist512 День назад

    Heaven Sent could be described primarily as poetic existential/philosophical musings, the mystery is secondary and only resolved in the next episode, and the Last Christmas was more about dreams and beliefs than the alien or mystery aspect.

  • @Comicbroe405
    @Comicbroe405 9 дней назад +1

    I have noticed this sort of pattern too but love the way its presented in this video.

  • @stephengray1344
    @stephengray1344 7 дней назад

    New Who didn't create the celebrity historical. It goes back all the way to 1964's "Marco Polo". Though that was also in the "pure historical" genre, which is exclusive to the classic series and non-TV stories where the only science fiction element is the presence of the TARDIS crew.

  • @H_D_A
    @H_D_A 7 дней назад

    I was thinking there would be a new form category. Because there have been a few episodes of the doctor regenerating(or just before) and then having to get used to their new self.

  • @tom_4615
    @tom_4615 8 дней назад +2

    Gotta just commend you on such an original idea for a video tbh

  • @camcramer22
    @camcramer22 9 дней назад

    We need a video where you make a 14 episode season with two episodes from each category

  • @thatotherted3555
    @thatotherted3555 8 дней назад

    I think most or all of these fit OldWho pretty well too. Historicals go back to the very first story, "An Unearthly Child," although that's technically a prehistorical; maybe "The Aztecs" is a better example. Off the top of my head, I can think of Supervillain, Base Under Siege, and Invasion types from just the Fourth and Seventh Doctors' eras, which are the ones I'm most familiar with, but I'm pretty sure there are Mystery ones too (maybe Third Doctor era?). Not as sure about Misunderstood Monster and Time Travel Shenanigans.

  • @hrh4hthegqrht203
    @hrh4hthegqrht203 7 дней назад

    I think there is only one episode which doesn't have enough in any single category to be categories properly in my opinion.
    Which is journey to the centre of the Tardis, which has elements of Time Travel Shenanigans, Base Under Siege and Mystery

  • @3dpprofessor
    @3dpprofessor 3 дня назад

    And then Jodie Whittaker's era comes along and adds "Character Drama".

  • @junotaylor
    @junotaylor 9 дней назад

    watching this and relating them to my planned doctor who series

  • @thekiss2083
    @thekiss2083 4 дня назад

    I'd propose an eighth category, "Lore Dump", wherein the episode's events are really more of a vehicle for advancing the overarching story of the series. Moffat loved these: "A Good Man Goes to War", "Hell Bent", "Day of the Doctor", and I'd say "The Timeless Children" qualifies too. They're some of the more memorable episodes in the show, but not because of the actual conflict between the Doctor and the villains.

    • @thekiss2083
      @thekiss2083 4 дня назад

      You could also call the category "Major Plot Point" if you wanted.

  • @oscarsmusiclab7201
    @oscarsmusiclab7201 9 дней назад

    Base under seige is by far my favourite type of doctor who episode l, such great action packed episodes

  • @antpearson9676
    @antpearson9676 7 дней назад +2

    Why oh why oh why do YT creators have to use the phrases "deep dive or dive in"?
    Brilliant YT channel.
    Ant p

  • @JTD95
    @JTD95 9 дней назад

    Great video! Instantly a favorite! Really wanna check out that book now by mr Booker as well.

  • @kdizzler8381
    @kdizzler8381 8 дней назад

    I’m loving the references in this vid, gaming channel incoming?

  • @samuelreed6640
    @samuelreed6640 9 дней назад +1

    I feel like 'docter light' episodes could be the last one

    • @ThyLfz
      @ThyLfz 7 дней назад

      doctor lite*

  • @eow4317
    @eow4317 9 дней назад

    I feel like a lot of mystery episodes also fit into other catagories

  • @OxbowisaMstie
    @OxbowisaMstie 7 дней назад

    I would argue Doctor-Lite episodes are their own type of episode.
    Slice of life should definitely be considered at least a subcategory.

  • @sjacpswbs03162005
    @sjacpswbs03162005 8 дней назад

    Do you have a link to the graphic I need to refer to it throughout the video

  • @lucas_oreki5287
    @lucas_oreki5287 2 дня назад

    missed opportunity to not call the 4th type "timey wimey stuff" ngl

  • @watermelonvolcano9999
    @watermelonvolcano9999 9 дней назад

    Do you have a list of all the episodes in a category? That would be really great !