170 - Bigger Than Uranus? - Mars - WW2 - November 27 1942

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  • @WorldWarTwo
    @WorldWarTwo  3 года назад +113

    Be sure to tune in at 7PM CET, Saturday, November 27th for our special Hearts of Iron IV livestream!
    ruclips.net/video/HcueLvPFI1k/видео.html
    Rules: community.timeghost.tv/t/rules-of-conduct/4518).

    • @stupidminotaur9735
      @stupidminotaur9735 3 года назад +6

      Are you gonna to talk about the British officer who swam from a sunken submarine HMS Perseus he swam to a near by island and was sheltered by the Islanders for 18 months.

    • @greenkoopa
      @greenkoopa 3 года назад +1

      Noting is bigger than Uranus

    • @arekofpoland8735
      @arekofpoland8735 3 года назад +5

      Yeah - Paris was called open city so it is stupid propaganda by Czujkov

    • @IndianaDel1
      @IndianaDel1 3 года назад +2

      No the game is boring

    • @robertjarman3703
      @robertjarman3703 3 года назад +1

      I´m detecting a trend with these operation names. At least we get some anime out of that.

  • @gustavchambert7072
    @gustavchambert7072 3 года назад +406

    Given the complete lack of references to "deep penetration of the german rear" and the "hard pounding" the soviets are inflicting on the "exposed backside" of the german lines when talking about operation Uranus, I can only admire Indys restraint.
    And be childishly disappointed XD

    • @Ralphieboy
      @Ralphieboy 2 года назад +24

      As Soviet forces push the German out of Buttyawnovsk

    • @jaredneilsen
      @jaredneilsen Год назад +15

      At least he said they faced “some stiff resistance”…

    • @Nmax
      @Nmax Год назад +2

      Too many innuendos lol 😂

    • @saddleyouruniverse
      @saddleyouruniverse 11 месяцев назад +2

      After the war Stalin had the operation renamed "Urectum"- to end these silly puns once and for all.

    • @stevensamuels4041
      @stevensamuels4041 6 месяцев назад

      Om german for me operation uranus sounds powerful

  • @DrTelf
    @DrTelf 3 года назад +1051

    Fun fact, this footage of the two Soviet pincers meeting was shot long after the actual event. The Soviets fought so fast and took ground so quickly that they didn't have time to photograph any of it until long after their victory, the footage was acted out sometime later.

    • @abdurrahmanqureshi3030
      @abdurrahmanqureshi3030 3 года назад +14

      Must be nice taking credit for Russian winter halting the German advance. Some people have all the luck I suppose

    • @nakaimoore6548
      @nakaimoore6548 3 года назад +209

      @@abdurrahmanqureshi3030 the soviets fought hard and lost blood for those gains.

    • @konstantinriumin2657
      @konstantinriumin2657 3 года назад +53

      Actually not long after, i think it was done few days later after the event actually happened

    • @exharkhun5605
      @exharkhun5605 3 года назад +77

      Indeed. If you see Russian footage from Stalingrad you can pretty much assume that it was reenacted later. Funnily enough some footage from the fighting in the ruins was reenacted with the actual surviving soldiers that had fought there, but I don't know if that was common practice.
      A lot of effort went into these propaganda/morale things so I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it happened more than we'd think. (After all, the people that fought there needed a long time recuperating anyways)

    • @DrTelf
      @DrTelf 3 года назад +22

      @@konstantinriumin2657 I think you're right! I remember watching The World at War when they showed that exact footage, the narration said how they had to reenact it at least a few days afterwards.

  • @thijsminnee7549
    @thijsminnee7549 3 года назад +226

    That part of Hitler not wanting to give up all armygroup A's gains of the summer and autumn made me think of Ludendorf in August and September 1918 not wanting to retread to the Hindenburg line because he didn't want to give up all the gains of the spring and summer.

    • @Julianna.Domina
      @Julianna.Domina 3 года назад +35

      Germany seems to have a problem playing land for time

    • @yt_geezuz785
      @yt_geezuz785 3 года назад +15

      @@Julianna.Domina Tbf, Soviets also had a problem playing land for time during the early stages of Barbarossa. Red Army kept defending on ALL fronts, executing counter attacks after counter attacks to defend every inch of land of the union. It failed. But it had the side effect of bleeding the Wehrmacht dry by December '41.

    • @qjnmh
      @qjnmh 3 года назад +14

      Hitler in 1942 in some ways had a better strategic vision than Ludendorf in 1918. There was a purpose to trying to hold the Caucasus (oil) even if it was really challenging / impossible to achieve. In contrast, one of the most surprising things about the March 1918 offensive was how strategically pointless it was. Tactically, it was an unprecedented success and resulted in unheard of gains. Operationally, it destroyed 5th Army. But the offensive was undertaken in an area where British defenses could collapse, the army esstentially rout by an unheard of 50 miles, and ... nothing significant was lost. The greatest German victory in the West achieved nothing but the destruction of most of German reserves, the fatal depletion of its assault formations, and the creation of a vulnerable, overstretched and underresourced front that was simply begging to be destroyed in detail. Hmm, sounds somewhat familiar.

    • @qjnmh
      @qjnmh 3 года назад +7

      @fuckyoutubepolicy staff I don't think that is really true. 1941, Germany could attack on the entire Russian front, aiming at Rostov, Kiev. Moscow and Leningrad essentially simultaneously. By 1942 (after 1m casualties in the winter of 41/42) they had enough strength to maintain one assault - towards Stalingrad and the Caucasus, and they achieved this by stripping the manoeuvre units from AG Centre and North.
      Red Army in summer 1942 performed better than in had in summer 1942, in that it (mainly) evaded the huge encirclements of 1941. Not great, but better. Plus, when it committed to battle in Stalingrad, it could fight that battle AND prepare reserves for both Uranus and Mars. While Germany only could fight in Stalingrad, and only by ignoring its flanks and the need for a reserve. One week's Hitler inspired traffic jam in the summer does not change the reality that the Red Army could hold Germany in Stalingrad city AND massively outnumber them elsewhere.

    • @jrus690
      @jrus690 2 года назад +3

      The Red Army up to that point had had very little luck with pincer movements due to a lack of training. The Whermacht probably thought the Russians unable to do as well as they did and therefore pulled back almost too late.

  • @sirbillius
    @sirbillius 3 года назад +390

    “Stalingrad is now surrounded.” I got chills from that. I’ve been waiting 3 years for that moment and now it feels like the fate of the world was just decided.

    • @jasondouglas6755
      @jasondouglas6755 3 года назад +4

      We all do

    • @connorbranscombe6819
      @connorbranscombe6819 3 года назад +11

      Just give it a year or so, we'll get Tunisgrad, and Kursk, the Wehrmacht will start crumbling on every front.

    • @jonasmejerpedersen4847
      @jonasmejerpedersen4847 3 года назад +7

      @@connorbranscombe6819 wtf is tunisgrad

    • @connorbranscombe6819
      @connorbranscombe6819 3 года назад +8

      @@jonasmejerpedersen4847 Google is your friend, Tunisgrad was the destruction of the Afrika Korps at the end of the Tunisian Campaign.

    • @gursehajsingh2029
      @gursehajsingh2029 10 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@jonasmejerpedersen4847maybe he is Russian grad means city in Russian it is used in every city name

  • @oOkenzoOo
    @oOkenzoOo 3 года назад +547

    Some precisions about the scutlling of the French fleet at Toulon.
    Since Case Anton on 11 november 42, the harbor of Toulon was surrounded by German troops and was technically under siege. The entrance of the port was mined and blockaded by ships and submarines preventing any escape attempts.
    The Vichy government tried to negociate with the Germans that Toulon and its fleet strictly stayed under French authority as the last French enclave against any Allied aggression. As such the French officers commanding the fleet received those strict orders :
    1- Oppose, without spilling of blood, the entry of foreign troops in any of the establishments, airbases and buildings of the Navy.
    2- Similarly oppose entry of foreign troops aboard ships of the Fleet and find settlements by means of local negotiation.
    3- If the former proved impossible, to scuttle the ships.
    Admiral Laborde, commander of the French fleet in Toulon, was called by Darlan to set sail and join the Allies but he declined since he didn't receive any strict orders from Vichy to do so. In fact as pro-allies sentiments grew more and more amongst French sailors and civilians, Vichy made sure that the officers stayed loyal to its governement, making them pledge a vow of loyalty and dismissing anyone who showed signs of sympathy towards the Allies or the Free French.
    Also, under the armistice treaty of 1940, fuel was strictly monitored by the Germans and as such most of the French ships had not enough fuel to reach North Africa or even just set sail. Just a very few ships managed to smuggle enough of it, thanks to their crew, and tried to escape under German fire such as the 5 submarines Casabianca, Marsouin, Glorieux, Iris and Vénus but only 3 of them will succeed to join the Allies (Casabianca will later illustrate itself during the liberation of Corsica).
    When the Germans attacked Toulon in the middle of the night (4h25 am), it was a total surprise for the French officers there who thought that negociations were under way and a compromise with the Germans would be found and who prepared more against an Allied attack from the sea. Still they did as they were ordered to and gave the order to scutlle the fleet when the first german tanks entered the harbor. Everywhere clashes occured between the French sailors and the Germans for 2 hours and one by one, the ships were put out of action by their crew. When the sun finally peeked out in the morning of 27 November and calm returned in Toulon, The French fleet was no more. Only a sea of spilled oil and burned metal was left.
    The German navy officers were very disappointed with this outcome and the last semblance of power and authority the Vichy governement had went away that night. From there on, they will truly become a puppet under german rule. The English and Americans for their part, saluted with enthousiasm the act accomplished by the French sailors.
    The Wikipedia article is not complete but still gives a bit more context and details on what happened there.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuttling_of_the_French_fleet_at_Toulon

    • @cosmedelustrac5842
      @cosmedelustrac5842 3 года назад +28

      Thanks for the explanation.

    • @fieldmarshalbaltimore1329
      @fieldmarshalbaltimore1329 3 года назад +14

      Thank you sir

    • @Zen-sx5io
      @Zen-sx5io 3 года назад +7

      Thank you.

    • @jetwash7
      @jetwash7 3 года назад +2

      Why didn't Germany get that fleet with the fall of France--after surrendering a much larger fleet a few decades before?

    • @oOkenzoOo
      @oOkenzoOo 3 года назад +3

      @@jetwash7 I'm sorry i don't quite understand your question. What do you mean by "surrendering a much larger fleet a few decades before" ? Can you try to rephrase it please ?

  • @alexamerling79
    @alexamerling79 3 года назад +181

    "We are encircled. It was announced this morning that the Fuehrer has said: "The army can trust me to do everything necessary to ensure supplies and rapidly break the encirclement."- WIlhelm Hoffman, November 29, 1942

  • @gunman47
    @gunman47 3 года назад +632

    An interesting note this week on November 26 1942 is that the Hollywood romantic drama movie, *Casablanca* has its premiere at the Hollywood Theatre in New York City. It had a good though not very spectacular initial run at first as it was partly rushed into release to take advantage of the recent attention arising from the Allied invasion of French North Africa. However, it would eventually go on to win many awards at the Academy Awards, including Best Picture and Best Director. It is now considered to be among the greatest films of all time, along with its memorable theme song, *As Time Goes By* .

    • @ErikHare
      @ErikHare 3 года назад +77

      This explains the sudden Allied success. Rick Blaine has joined the fight!

    • @Ramzi1944
      @Ramzi1944 3 года назад +10

      Based

    • @SamAronow
      @SamAronow 3 года назад +22

      I was of the understanding that its release was _held back_ until after _Torch_ in order to avoid inadvertently tipping off potential German spies.

    • @cosmedelustrac5842
      @cosmedelustrac5842 3 года назад +14

      Play it again Sam.

    • @kevinramsey417
      @kevinramsey417 3 года назад +32

      Of all the two-bit historical channels in all of RUclips, you had to come walking into mine.

  • @ReclinedPhysicist
    @ReclinedPhysicist 3 года назад +182

    This series drives home the fact that this is a world war. It can be overlooked when you're studying individual battles. When I studied Stalingrad, I did not consider Guadalcanal and North Africa and Vichy France was occurring at the same time. Likewise when I studied Guadalcanal it was if that was all that was happening.

    • @robertkras5162
      @robertkras5162 3 года назад +30

      That's one more thing to the list of what makes this channel so amazing.
      Even high-level books on WWII will cover the 'war in Europe' and 'war in the pacific' in isolation. Biographies rarely rate to both theaters. Here, it's like you are picking up a weekly newspaper in 1942.

    • @colinmerritt7645
      @colinmerritt7645 3 года назад +13

      Exactly. We are taught battle by battle, campaign by campaign. Here we see WW2 for what it really was; a huge, planet wide furball.

  • @radishinglad998
    @radishinglad998 3 года назад +145

    A small local note- this week in 1941 a small engineering company in my town finally got their metal stampers installed - the company was, as I said, small enough that it wasn't big priority for these machines.
    The machines helped stamp parts for the R-2800 engines, used in plenty of American planes once the US joined the war. Most would go into the F6F Hellcat, and B26 Marauder planes.
    I interned at the company a year or so ago, and the machine still runs! It's stamping very different parts but the operators are all pretty proud of the machines age. Apparently it never broke down once during the whole war.

    • @warhorse03826
      @warhorse03826 3 года назад +16

      where I work we have a row of drill presses that originally were used on the grumman avenger production line. they all still work really well, and haven't required a bit of maintenance in years.

    • @mojrimibnharb4584
      @mojrimibnharb4584 Год назад

      We used to build really good stuff...

    • @JoshuaTootell
      @JoshuaTootell 25 дней назад

      We used to pay for really good stuff. High quality comes with a price that no one wants to pay ​@@mojrimibnharb4584

    • @JoshuaTootell
      @JoshuaTootell 25 дней назад

      We used to pay for really good stuff. Good stuff costs a lot, and no one is willing to pay ​@@mojrimibnharb4584

  • @Rickinsf
    @Rickinsf 3 года назад +116

    I like the animated "outlining" of unit markers on the maps, it makes things clearer.

  • @gunman47
    @gunman47 3 года назад +238

    Another sidenote this week on November 23 1942 is that Poon Lim, a Chinese working as a second steward on the British armed merchant ship SS Benlomond, is the only survivor after the ship was sunk near Belém, Brazil due to a torpedo attack from the German submarine U-172. He would eventually spend 133 days adrift at sea (a record at the time) in his wooden raft until he was rescued by Brazilian fishermen on April 5 1943.

    • @logiconabstractions6596
      @logiconabstractions6596 3 года назад +20

      Poon Lim! I thought that was last week and made the comment on last week's video. He's a true hero - how can one not die of thirst/hunger is baffling. Yeah I know he condensed see water & did some fishing.... still. I wonder out of a 1000 people in the same conditions, how many would make it?

    • @mikhailiagacesa3406
      @mikhailiagacesa3406 3 года назад +15

      Honestly, I would rather be a Red Army soldier at Stalingrad.

  • @Rauschgenerator
    @Rauschgenerator 3 года назад +196

    This was by far the best phonecall of any episode :-D "Does Pluto count" - I waited for that...and then "1930!" - and you just know what was asked :-D

    • @elektrotehnik94
      @elektrotehnik94 3 года назад +7

      Am I the only one a bit daft, to not get it? O.o
      What was asked?

    • @Rocketsong
      @Rocketsong 3 года назад +32

      @@elektrotehnik94 Pluto was discovered by Clyde Tombaugh in February of 1930.

    • @tobybartels8426
      @tobybartels8426 3 года назад +16

      @@Rocketsong And demoted in status to a ‘dwarf planet’ in August of 2006. But it had a good run!

    • @Ken-lv8ej
      @Ken-lv8ej 3 года назад +14

      Neil Degrasse Tysen has an entire book about the controversy surrounding Plutos demotion. He also has many, many angry and upset letters from school children, and adults, for some reason.

    • @alexandermcclintick9225
      @alexandermcclintick9225 Год назад +1

      @@elektrotehnik94ya, I was a bit lost too, but I love the phone calls, they are the best

  • @orestisbe6978
    @orestisbe6978 3 года назад +103

    That scene of the Soviet soldiers meeting each other and closing the encirclement is almost emotional somehow. You really feel their joy in knowing a long battle has ended.
    Even if, the actual footage is from a later recreation of the scene.

    • @ДанилаОгородов
      @ДанилаОгородов 3 года назад +6

      A very emotional scene of a meeting between two Soviet Fronts is showed in the wonderful film “Liberation. The last assault”, where 1st Ukrainian and 1st Byelorussian Fronts meet in a house in Berlin, encircling the city. Actors, script, song “The last battle” - everything is amazing

    • @HJ_Extravaganza
      @HJ_Extravaganza 3 года назад

      That footage was actually a reenactment.

    • @edmundcowan9131
      @edmundcowan9131 2 года назад

      Communist love propaganda

    • @Dilley_G45
      @Dilley_G45 2 года назад

      @@ДанилаОгородов nobody got liberated only occupied and raped there. Even French volunteers fought til the end against the soviet war criminals....the same kind we see currently in Ukraine.....slava ukraini

    • @ДанилаОгородов
      @ДанилаОгородов 2 года назад

      @@Dilley_G45 stop reading lies about the Red Army‘s effort in liberating Europe from Nazis.
      Героям слава!

  • @funkervogt47
    @funkervogt47 3 года назад +163

    2:46 - "He held it for just a couple of days..."
    It says a lot about the savagery of the fighting in Stalingrad that some Red Army soldiers were dismissive of a commander who defended a house against furious German attacks for "just a couple of days." I can't imagine how hellish and emotionally scarring it would be to be in that house for just a couple hours.

    • @Palora01
      @Palora01 3 года назад +42

      I wouldn't say dismissive but more angered that his name was attached to the house and not the man who held it for a lot longer afterwards.

    • @TheDa6781
      @TheDa6781 3 года назад +7

      @@Palora01 most of the heavy fighting during those 60 days was in the northern part of Stalingrad

    • @lausenteternidad
      @lausenteternidad 3 года назад +14

      I would struggle to hang in there for _minutes_

    • @patrickstephenson1264
      @patrickstephenson1264 Год назад +1

      ​​@@slyasleepShit's so bad **you** get paid rent to live there

  • @stevekaczynski3793
    @stevekaczynski3793 3 года назад +148

    The capture of the bridge was achieved with a ruse, as German engineers had it set to blow. Then what looked like German vehicles approached. But in fact they were captured, and Red Army submachine-gunners poured onto the bridge and killed or captured the engineers before they could blow the bridge.

    • @caryblack5985
      @caryblack5985 3 года назад +23

      I believe they knew it was Soviet tanks but what fooled them the Germans were using captured Soviet tanks and this far behind the lines the Germans on guard assumed they were just captured tanks.

    • @michaelschmid9567
      @michaelschmid9567 3 года назад +9

      Wow, the Soviets was much more successful then the British or US at Operation Market Garden. These Soviets should teach the British and US troops, how to do it right.

    • @wildfire5181
      @wildfire5181 3 года назад +32

      @@michaelschmid9567 Yes, great success capturing a bridge from a few Engineers... totally the same thing as fighting against TWO German SS Panzer Divisions guarding a bridge.

    • @CK-nh7sv
      @CK-nh7sv 3 года назад +11

      @@wildfire5181 Market Garden was just an overreach out of hubris by Allied Command. You're correct that it can't be compared to taking the Don bridge at Kalach. Btw, the Americans did take the Ludendorff Bridge at Remagen in 1945 (were the germans just used too little explosives), so it's not like they were bumbling fools who can't take bridges.

    • @michaelschmid9567
      @michaelschmid9567 3 года назад +6

      @@wildfire5181 At Market Garden, there was 9th and the 10th SS Panzerdivision. The 9th had a strength of 3.300 men and ZERO Panzers (they had to give there remaining Panzers to the 10th), while the 10 SS Panzer division had 34(!) Panzers and around 6.300 men. These both divisions was taken out of the frontline, because the losses of them was so high, that that they was not seen as in a divisional state anymore. They was waiting for re-fill up with men an tanks.
      On the other side, there was
      1th British paratrooper (10k)
      82th US airborne (10k)
      101 US airborne (10k)
      30th corps British, with 1000+ tanks, and 60k men
      Belgium pioneer battalions
      Polish paratrooper (10k), what arrive at day 5.
      The 82th US airborne had several hours, to take a complete empty bridge at Nimwegen, but they didn't. Instead they fought a ghost army in the Reichswald. If the 82th would have just sended a few men, they could have won the operation.
      The 1th British paratrooper, did as soon as they landed, held breakfast. And lost with this the absolute critical time. After breakfast, the Germans had assembled a ultra thin defence line, where only around 750 men made it to the bridge.
      For unknown reasons, the 30th corps of the British needed 5(!) days to reach Nimwegen, for just 50km behind enemy lines. Rommel, for example, made 240km behind enemy lines in 24h. Zhukov troops similar. but British armour was slow, and within the 5 days, the German could bring in even the SS division Viking from the Ruhr area, and then it was over.
      So, yes, Market Garden was show of incompetence, from Gavin, Horrocks, and Monty. If they only would go to a Soviet school......

  • @patton3338
    @patton3338 3 года назад +25

    I only found this channel recently.
    Im pretty damn impressed, the level of detail and sense of scope in these videos is more than the WW2 history nerd in my head could have ever hoped for. Thank you!

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  3 года назад +12

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  • @colinmerritt7645
    @colinmerritt7645 3 года назад +20

    More seriously, I wanted to say that I love the week by week format. We all know, at least generally, what's going to happen but this format makes you feel like you're at ground zero.

  • @MrRemicas
    @MrRemicas 3 года назад +19

    At the German HQ:
    "Stalingrad is now surrounded..."
    Hitler:"Finally!"
    "... by the Soviets."
    Hitler:"SHIESSE!"

  • @aaronrigney5351
    @aaronrigney5351 3 года назад +62

    Thank you so much for covering Pavlov’s house! This made me extremely happy and I love how much you guys listen to the community, I’m so glad I found this channel over a year ago!

    • @dongately2817
      @dongately2817 3 года назад +2

      I think Tik has a couple videos about Pavlov's House, if you can get past his poor estimation of the Wehrmacht they're pretty informative. Stalingrad Battle Data also has an episode covering Pavlov's House, plus he's a little more impartial than Tik.

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад +4

      Thank you for watching! Stay tuned for more:)

  • @noellopez4341
    @noellopez4341 3 года назад +55

    -German spy network: "yeap, the soviets are in the brink of collapse with no capacity of launching any kind of offensive action"
    -meanwhile the soviets: "fitting Mars and Saturn inside Uranus"

    • @ricojes
      @ricojes 3 года назад +1

      I'm guessing it helps to relax?

    • @sweeeetteeeeth
      @sweeeetteeeeth 3 года назад +7

      this is honestly an incredibly incisive yet succinct assessment of it all

    • @sweeeetteeeeth
      @sweeeetteeeeth 3 года назад

      really puts the assssssss in assessment, knowwutimsayin?? HA HAAAA!!!

  • @GirlThatLovesCannons
    @GirlThatLovesCannons 3 года назад +69

    Whoever makes the thumbnails for the videos probably have a lot of fun making them!
    Oh and your content and channel in general is great World War Two. I hope to see more of your fantastic work!

    • @tonyhorrocks9142
      @tonyhorrocks9142 3 года назад +1

      Look up the other channel "the great war" it's a masterpiece

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  2 года назад +4

      Thank you so much, we really appreciate your support.

    • @GirlThatLovesCannons
      @GirlThatLovesCannons 2 года назад +2

      @@WorldWarTwo World War Two responding?? That's the best predicament I've been in a long time. Oh and you are welcome!

  • @Danbutch24
    @Danbutch24 3 года назад +14

    This month really is the turning point of WW2.

  • @PhillyPhanVinny
    @PhillyPhanVinny 3 года назад +251

    Per General Indy's command I will not talk about Operation Mars in the comments again this week. It has been my favorite topic over the last few episodes since feel like it is never given the coverage it deserves in WW2 talk.
    I'll instead bring up the historical misnomer that it was Göring's idea to resupply the Axis troops in Stalingrad via the air. Herman Göring was more of the front man for the Luftwaffe. When it came to actual technical and military decisions Göring would go to his staff of military men who went through the German air force ranks properly to get the experience and knowledge it takes to run a military branch. So what actually happened was Gen. Hans Jeschonnek was with Hitler when Stalingrad was surronded and Göring' was not there. Jeschonnek told Hitler during that meeting without looking into how the Germans would supply Stalingrad through the air and just told Hitler the Luftwaffe could do it. Jeschonnek and Hilter thought this during that meeting because the Germans had successfully supported other Axis forces through the air when they were surrounded until they could be releived.
    After the meeting though Jeschonnek looked into the situation at Stalingrad in detail and determined that the Luftwaffe could not supply that many Axis forces to their maximum supply capacity. When Jeschonnek let his superior Göring know this though he refused to let Hilter know that the Luftwaffe couldn't supply the forces in Stalingrad to their maximum supply capacity. Instead Göring gave Hitler more of a best case possiable answer of what the Luftwaffe could do to help the Axis forces that were surrounded. Göring did this because he didn't want to be the one to tell Hilter that his forces couldn't do something that his junior officer had told Hilter the day prior that the Luftwaffe could do. This is what would lead to Hitler no longer trusting Göring and rarely asking him to attend meetings with Hitler anymore. Which was a major change being that Göring was one of Hitler's strongest and earliest supporters. To the Luftwaffe's credit (in a strictly military aspect) they did actually do a very good job of supplying the forces in Stalingrad for a time considering the very limited tools they had to execute the supply. The Luftwaffe allowed the Axis forces within Stalingrad to hold out there way way longer then they would have held out had the Luftwaffe not been attempting resupply of the Axis forces there. On the other hand the Luftwaffe's job doing the resupply of their troops that were surrounded cost the Axis resupply plane wing incredibly heavily. By the end of Stalingrad the Germans has basically lost almost all of their resupply planes.
    General Jeschonnek would then commit suicide because of what happened in Stalingrad being the final straw to him. Jeschonnek felt that him and the rest of the Luftwaffe commanders had failed Geramny and that it was their fault that German lost the war. Jeschonnek suicide was covered up by the Nazis in order to prevent the morale of the nation from being hurt.

    • @edipires15
      @edipires15 3 года назад +19

      Thank you for this very informative comment. I personally did not know that it was a misnomer.
      I'm sure that I'm not the only one that read this with Indy's narration voice in our minds 😅

    • @chrisvowell2890
      @chrisvowell2890 3 года назад +3

      That is entirely credible!

    • @lycaonpictus9662
      @lycaonpictus9662 3 года назад +23

      Jeschonnek's suicide would not come until August of 1943 and the final straw seems not to have been the Luftwaffe's failures at Stalingrad, but rather it's failure to defend Peenemünde from RAF bombers during Operation Hydra. RAF bomber command had dispatched diversionary raids to confuse the German aerial defense, and it succeeded in deceiving them that Berlin was the intended target, resulting in 100 night fighters being sent there instead of to Peenemünde. To make matters worse some of those fighters were then shot down by anti-aircraft fire around Berlin, when they were mistaken for British planes. His suicide was on the heels of being informed of the debacle.

    • @johnkinsella5358
      @johnkinsella5358 3 года назад +6

      Interesting, especially as the popular version conforms to the image of Goring as the fat clown of humorous Allied propaganda when a laugh was needed. This overlooks how central Goring was to Nazi Germany, how smart and indeed strong he was (his nickname in high circles was 'der Eiserner'; the Iron Man). Either Jeschonnek or Udet (I forget which and don't have the material to hand to clarify) wrote on their suicide note to Goring; 'Iron Man, you betrayed me', I recall this from somewhere in Len Deighton's books Blitzkrieg or Fighter.
      Goring was no clown or fall guy, but central to the Nazi machine as early overseer to the extermination program. He was as smart, cruel, and monstrous as the other members of Hitler's gang.

    • @thebog11
      @thebog11 3 года назад +1

      @@johnkinsella5358 Weren't the major German defendants at Nuremberg given IQ tests, and Goering was found to be one of the smartest? I could be remembering this incorrectly, and some people don't put stock in IQ tests anyway.

  • @arthurarthur6813
    @arthurarthur6813 3 года назад +52

    I love how committed Indy and his team are to Uranus puns, great vid as always, probably my favorite RUclips channel

    • @robertkras5162
      @robertkras5162 3 года назад +7

      Never poke fun at Uranus puns... it's some serious shit

    • @colinmerritt7645
      @colinmerritt7645 3 года назад +2

      I liked it when the Soviets breached their flank.

    • @JeffStevens
      @JeffStevens 3 года назад +6

      I hate the Uranus puns. It's so overdone.

    • @AbbeyRoadkill1
      @AbbeyRoadkill1 3 года назад +1

      Gotta admire the committment... although it's a little irksome to a "grammar nazi" like me that he keeps pronouncing Uranus incorrectly.

  • @jss32422
    @jss32422 3 года назад +2

    Thanks!

  • @ual737ret
    @ual737ret 3 года назад +10

    This channel is paradise for a Ww2 historical buff. Thanks for the excellent job covering this history, Indy.

  • @lucasmetro
    @lucasmetro 3 года назад +7

    Don't think we missed the 16:01 voiceover. TBH I like that you guys would rather have accuracy in pronouncing names rather than audio fidelity. Practical set dicisions that emphasize historical accuracy (like the historically correct narrative for Pavlov's house) show that this is the real deal for a history show on WW2 rather than an entertainment based channel. &BTW I love the HOI4 content and partnership thats going on, really great work!

  • @adrianreid2055
    @adrianreid2055 3 года назад +22

    Great, shows that an immediate attempt to breakout out of Stalingrad was not the obvious choice. I read , and wanted to suggest a memoir you guys may well be aware of, The Blood Red Snow. The German machine gunner who kept this diary has a cinematic writing style that captures the chaos and terror of battle. He arrived at the Stalingrad front in late October. On November 19 , he is on the River Don , outside the pincer .
    The descriptions in the book , of the lethal efficiency of a Soviet sniper, being over run by t 34s or watching as a German anti tank gun races to fire on a Soviet tank 50 feet away
    Thanks again

    • @caryblack5985
      @caryblack5985 3 года назад

      Fortune really smiled on him on Nov 19th

    • @monjhunesacaguing7195
      @monjhunesacaguing7195 3 года назад

      Yup. Great book. Gives the reader chills. Imagine putting youre shoes on the guy, very scary. The retreats, and him almost giving up along the way, it was just a great read.

  • @JamesHillman-sirzethio
    @JamesHillman-sirzethio Год назад +3

    Hey Indy Neidell! I don't know if anyone has said this before but sometimes when you start sounding out the movements of troops, like in the Soviet encirclement of Stalingrad, you sound just the announcers at a horse race. Keep up the good work!

  • @basharabdelkarim9548
    @basharabdelkarim9548 3 года назад +12

    I feel the soviet triumph and challenges during the encirclement of Stalingrad, good presentation Indy & team !

  • @verevki3784
    @verevki3784 3 года назад +2

    5:54 with the soldiers meeting up and hugging gave me goosebumps

    • @lycaonpictus9662
      @lycaonpictus9662 3 года назад +6

      A reenactment apparently, because the Soviet advance had been so rapid that photographers couldn't get there fast enough to record it for posterity. Even so the image is quite stirring.

  • @thanos_6.0
    @thanos_6.0 3 года назад +14

    I just love this channel so much. So glad to be a timeghost army member. Keep up the amazing work guys.

  • @theoneduckson2312
    @theoneduckson2312 3 года назад +1

    Phone call was pristine up to the end where that was a lack of a goodbye. It was a great informative phone call never the less!

  • @thegreatemuwar3677
    @thegreatemuwar3677 3 года назад +8

    Polas: it’s an emergency sir.
    Hitler: come back when it’s a catastrophe.

  • @bromilous4773
    @bromilous4773 3 года назад +1

    The content done by this whole team is definitely the highest quality documentary series ever made about. It's crazy how good and well done despite the format and how detailed and specific everything is

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  3 года назад +1

      Glad you're enjoying is Bromilous

  • @linnharamis1496
    @linnharamis1496 3 года назад +13

    I have studied World War II history for 60 years. Nevertheless, your team’s coverage of WW2 on this RUclips channel Always makes the history fresh and interesting. Keep up the good work!👍

  • @baldpdeng2035
    @baldpdeng2035 3 года назад +73

    Really glad you mentioned operation Hartling and Gorgopotamos river. In Greece, we take a lot of pride on our resistance and guerilla fighters, having paid a huge price in lives during the ocupation. I would like to know if possible, if this success had any count of benefits to the war effort of the allies or if it was in vain.

    • @dimitrishormovitis4403
      @dimitrishormovitis4403 3 года назад +8

      The destruction of the railway bridge was supposed to hinter the axis supply line for the operations in Libya. By the time it happened the axis was already on the run, so it probably had little effect. In my view the assistance of the 1st greek brigade (composed of refugee and diaspora soldiers) and the air squadron was much more important in the allied success in the battle of El Alamein.

    • @828enigma6
      @828enigma6 3 года назад +9

      I'm not an expert, but it appears they kept a number of Germans tied up in antipartisan operations.

    • @Tecmaster96
      @Tecmaster96 3 года назад +3

      Its hard to say if one specific small
      Operation has long reaching effects, but it’s undeniable that the totality of resistance made the Nazi’s life very difficult. Heroes all.

    • @michaelschmid9567
      @michaelschmid9567 3 года назад

      "resistance and guerilla fighters" are regulated by international law, back then it was the The Hague treaty. Every killed occupation force, got killed by "resistance and guerilla fighters", allows the occupation force(here the Germans) to kill civilians as revenge action. And the occupation force have to do so, to keep authority.
      The US army general in Stuttgart, who commanded the US occupation force in this area after German surrender, let poster "The US army will shoot 100 civilians for every US soldier got killed by German resistance fighter". Compared with this, the German actions in greece was near human.
      Again: when a country surrender to an other country, and accept military occupation, "resistance and guerilla fighters" is against international law. It allows the killing of civilian as revenge action. I don't understand, what is to glorify on that.
      How about Afghan or Yemen or whatever "resistance and guerilla fighters", who blow up buildings in these countries who occupied them? Any sympathy for them? Or do we call these guys "Terrorists"?

    • @johnkinsella5358
      @johnkinsella5358 3 года назад

      Totally irrelevant aside; if gorgopatamos sounds like a great name for an animal (and it does) it's because 'potamos' means 'river' in Greek and so is appropriate for a river in Greece, hence the name 'hippopotamus' ('us' because it got Latinized, which sounds painful). Sorry, this is the wine typing.

  • @stc3145
    @stc3145 3 года назад +58

    Well guys, with the succes of Operation Uranus and with the victories in North Africa and with Midway earlier this year. I would say the tide has turned!

    • @lazarmihaljevic1817
      @lazarmihaljevic1817 3 года назад +3

      Steiner will take care of this.

    • @michaelschmid9567
      @michaelschmid9567 3 года назад

      Not completely. Spoiler: Von Mahnstein will strike back soon.

    • @michaelschmid9567
      @michaelschmid9567 3 года назад +1

      @@lazarmihaljevic1817 Steiner is just showing some other German officers, where the Iron Crosses are growing "ich zeige Ihnen, wo die Eisernen Kreuze wachsen"

    • @CK-nh7sv
      @CK-nh7sv 3 года назад +1

      Ah, 12 to 18 months until Soviet tanks reach Berlin, no way Germany can stop the Soviets once they get rolling.

    • @michaelschmid9567
      @michaelschmid9567 3 года назад

      @@CK-nh7sv wait for the second battle of Kharkiv.

  • @Valdagast
    @Valdagast 3 года назад +98

    I think it's time for Hitler to quit and reload his save game.

    • @jasondouglas6755
      @jasondouglas6755 3 года назад +34

      But he can’t, HE IS ON IRON MAN MODE!!

    • @pnutz_2
      @pnutz_2 3 года назад +18

      @@jasondouglas6755 he's just too hungry for achievements

    • @gunman47
      @gunman47 3 года назад +7

      Maybe it's time to bring in the console commands to turn the tide again...

    • @principalityofbelka6310
      @principalityofbelka6310 3 года назад +2

      Sadly he can't since he's probably playing in Ironman Mode and Expert difficulty.

    • @KaiserMattTygore927
      @KaiserMattTygore927 3 года назад

      Hitler would be a save scummer...

  • @gimmeadrink
    @gimmeadrink 3 года назад +26

    Have to admit, I'm really looking forward to the Battle of Brisbane...

    • @Aethelhald
      @Aethelhald 3 года назад

      Were any kangaroos involved? If not I don't care.

    • @gimmeadrink
      @gimmeadrink 3 года назад

      Nah, we were still smarting after the last war against our fauna. It was is a bunch of drunk aussies brawling with the yanks in the street. Or, as it is known here, just another Thursday night.

  • @TyrSkyFatherOfTheGods
    @TyrSkyFatherOfTheGods 3 года назад +15

    Bigger than Uranus? I hurt my eye muscles rolling them.

    • @b4nterontilt
      @b4nterontilt 3 года назад

      ??

    • @robertkras5162
      @robertkras5162 3 года назад +2

      That was the best embedded pun so far.

    • @Arashmickey
      @Arashmickey 3 года назад +2

      It's not just about size; the type and quality of the forces poured into Mars might not be a fit for Uranus.

  • @gunman47
    @gunman47 3 года назад +110

    1:38 Ah, the *Pavlov’s House level* , where it is notorious as *one of the hardest levels to complete on Veteran difficulty* in the 2003 video game Call of Duty 1. You will need to first clear out some snipers before going room to room to take out the enemies at an apartment nicknamed “Pavlov’s House”. “Pavlov’s House” must then be held against an onslaught of German assaults consisting of infantry and Panzer IV tanks.
    Before this, in the *Stalingrad Sewers level* , you will start out in the entrance to the Stalingrad sewers, and with orders to find Senior Sergeant Pavlov’s patrol, will need to fight through the Germans in the sewers throughout the level. Along the way, a German PA voice will keep blaring propaganda messages telling you that “the German army is well disciplined and will treat you with dignity and compassion”. This level shares some similarities with The Pipeline level from Call of Duty 2.
    "Pavlov's House" is also featured in the maps of the Red Orchestra video game series as well.

    • @nygarmik
      @nygarmik 3 года назад +6

      I _hated_ that mission! Thanks for reminding...

    • @pnutz_2
      @pnutz_2 3 года назад +3

      cod1 on veteran being such a rngfest was one of the reasons they put the health regen system in cod2. I threw in the veteran towel in the dam mission when I had to fight my way all the way back up without being shot once by anything

    • @gunman47
      @gunman47 3 года назад +6

      @@pnutz_2 Yeah, the fact that you have *no healthpacks on Veteran difficulty* and if on Call of Duty Classic on the PS3, checkpoints won't even activate if you have less than 1/3 of your health left was what made it so difficult. The *Dam level* gives me the nightmares too, easily one of the hardest (if not the hardest) levels on Veteran due to being a one man operation. The *Ship level* is also another one man operation level that is also notoriously difficult on Veteran especially once Captain Price is killed.

    • @pnutz_2
      @pnutz_2 3 года назад +4

      @@gunman47 I spent I think an hour even on on hardened trying to break out of below decks since there were so SO many angles you had to cover

    • @InfamousMedia
      @InfamousMedia 3 года назад +3

      Thanks for keeping the memories and details of COD 1 alive; I got it at release and played it extensively for a few years, even up until last year. The game taught me a lot about WW2

  • @guyh9992
    @guyh9992 3 года назад +9

    The US 32nd division actually crossed New Guinea on the Kapa Kapa trail which was longer and higher than Kokoda and reached Buna in terrible shape. The Ghost Mountain Boys by James Campbell is a good source. The 32nd spent more time in action in WWII than any other American division.

  • @nathanielnicol6262
    @nathanielnicol6262 3 года назад +11

    I thought no one else knew about the battle of Brisbane, glad to hear you'll be covering it.

  • @TheMetalChef38
    @TheMetalChef38 9 месяцев назад

    Best series on WW2 I've ever seen.

  • @timl.b.2095
    @timl.b.2095 3 года назад +5

    Now that was a clever opening! "Does Pluto count." Hee hee.

  • @ernestolombardo5811
    @ernestolombardo5811 3 года назад +2

    After all this time, all this misery TimeGhost has subjected us to, *the tide turns!*
    What a liberating sensation. If I'm feeling relieved, imagine how the Soviet military command is feeling this week. Intense and focused, but on the inside they're probably ready to break out in a Kazachok dance. A new twinkle in their eye as they pass and glance at each other in the HQ hallways.

  • @RJLNetwork
    @RJLNetwork 3 года назад +29

    My knowledge of WW2 is pretty extensive but the information on Pavlov's House was very informative. I did not know much about that story in Stalingrad. As always, the TimeGhost Army fights again with the best information you can get on the most horrific catalcysm which was World War II.

    • @Yuri_Burger
      @Yuri_Burger 3 года назад +1

      ME TOO!!! It’s truly injustice to call it pavlov’s house when he wasn’t even the one defending it!

    • @yoyomodiji
      @yoyomodiji 3 года назад

      You should watch Tik he has covered it too along with indy...

  • @Yuri_Burger
    @Yuri_Burger 3 года назад +1

    The way you say things makes it much more intense and exciting

  • @funkervogt47
    @funkervogt47 3 года назад +9

    Interesting to see how rapidly the Axis presence in North Africa collapsed.

  • @TheDa6781
    @TheDa6781 3 года назад +2

    That is some stronk house. The unsung hero is the architect.

  • @Dreadhead02productions
    @Dreadhead02productions 3 года назад +60

    Quick question - would the acquisition of the French Fleet at Toulon really have been that big a gain for the Axis, as would they have the fuel to actually do anything worthwhile with them? The Italian fleet has been fairly well crippled by an oil shortage throughout the war, so just having more ships wouldn't have helped them that much IMO.

    • @pnutz_2
      @pnutz_2 3 года назад +37

      Fleet In Being strategy is very useful - the Italian ships didn't do an awful lot of combat, but they were able to tie down significant british forces in the mediterranean to be hit with planes for the whole war, likewise ze germans with scharnhorst and tirpitz parked in norway - they barely ever left port, but they kept several battleships each parked in scapa flow manning-up in case they wanted to leave (and even getting convoys killed by going within 100NM and making their escorts leave) when those BBs could have been better used eg in Asia.

    • @mikedeck8381
      @mikedeck8381 3 года назад +1

      It's a good question. What would Germany do with the fleet? If they just used them to guard supply lines to Tunis maybe finding the fuel is easier then if they were used everywhere in the Mediterranean. Still I sort of agree that it wouldn't changed that much if the Germans had gotten the fleet somehow.

    • @TrickiVicBB71
      @TrickiVicBB71 3 года назад +4

      Don't think they (Kriegsmarine) would even have the manpower to field the battleships and cruisers.
      Probably the smaller patrol boats and destroyers.

    • @michaelkovacic2608
      @michaelkovacic2608 3 года назад +9

      They of course had nowhere near the fuel required to operate the ships, but even if they had, the Kriegsmarine would completely lack the required manpower.

    • @lycaonpictus9662
      @lycaonpictus9662 3 года назад +2

      Hitler regarded the scuttling of the fleet as an Axis success, as he had been more concerned about it joining the Allies in Africa than in obtaining it for his own use.

  • @mojobag01
    @mojobag01 3 года назад +1

    Indy's performance adds so much.

  • @ronalddekruif1182
    @ronalddekruif1182 3 года назад +4

    With the encirclement happening now, I would like to recommend the book “breakthrough at Stalingrad”, by Heinrich Gerlach. It is a memoir of the utterly confusing and bizarre experience from the eyes of a lower level intelligence officer. It really shows just how insane the scale of the fighting is and how almost everyone is constantly confused as to what is going on.

  • @hannahskipper2764
    @hannahskipper2764 3 года назад +2

    I love the clip of the different Soviets divisions linking up, running across the snow and hugging and kissing. Those are some happy guys!

  • @Blazcowitz1943
    @Blazcowitz1943 3 года назад +6

    On the 30th of November 1942, the X-P51B Mustang fighter takes its first test flights. This is a version of the P51 that has had its standard Allison engine replaced with a Rolls Royce Merlin engine similar to that used in the British Supermarine Spitfire. This engine gives the aircraft an astounding increase in performance, especially at high altitude where the standard Allison engine performs far less admirably. These tests show the Mustang can reach speeds of 440 mph at 30,000 feet and with external drop tanks, its range can be increased to nearly 1000 miles.
    The P51B will begin to enter service in late 1943, aircraft manufactured in Ingelwood California given the designation P51B while those built in Dallas Texas are designated P51C's. At a time when the unescorted USAAF bomber streams are suffering increasingly heavy losses, the Mustang will prove to be the miracle fighter they need to protect the bombers on deep penetration missions and bring the fight directly to the Luftwaffe. Further improvements will lead to the P51D, the most iconic model of the Mustang which will go on to become the standard fighter in the USAAF for the rest of the war. P51 pilots will ultimately go on to claim nearly half of all aerial victories (around 10,000 total) scored by the USAAF in the European theatre

  • @NiskaMagnusson
    @NiskaMagnusson 3 года назад +2

    we're starting to feel it lads, the change in course

  • @qjnmh
    @qjnmh 3 года назад +3

    It’s a very interconnected war. One of the reasons that the Luftwaffe couldn’t supply Stalingrad was that half its transport assets had just been committed to an air bridge operation to Tunisia. Absent the war in North Africa, they would have been able to make a much better fist of it.

  • @maciejkamil
    @maciejkamil 3 года назад +2

    Great episode, as always. I especially liked your information about Naumov's house.

  • @peterlynchchannel
    @peterlynchchannel 3 года назад +26

    That scuttling at Toulon was such a major event, kind of obscured by the happenings on the Eastern Front. France ceases to be a naval power at this point. Was it the right decision? I feel it was a massive own goal and the fleet should have crossed to North Africa.

    • @robertkras5162
      @robertkras5162 3 года назад +3

      It would have made more sense, but the command had accepted Vichy - at the cost of the Navy and eventually the French colonial aspirations.
      I wonder what those sailors felt. Certainly not pride.

    • @CK-nh7sv
      @CK-nh7sv 3 года назад +14

      The harbour was mined by the Germans in order to prevent escape. They rationed the oil too so the ships didn't have anough fuel to even try a breakout,

    • @MrAlex_Raven
      @MrAlex_Raven 3 года назад +5

      It really wasn't almost by any one's definition. Vichy's fleet had prepared for this contingency as well; reports in French showing they had tampered with their fuel gages to make the ships appear empty, but would have enough fuel for a retreat to North Africa if needed. Vichy still scuttled the fleet. Also this wasn't Mers-el-Kebir anymore where they could plausibly deny; "Well the Axis only wanted limited war" or "Peace with honor"; so the flat-footed reply to scuttle rather than flee to surrender to the US despite their anti British sentiments ruled the day.

    • @colinmerritt7645
      @colinmerritt7645 3 года назад +1

      @@MrAlex_Raven When the French scuttled their fleet, the Germans had entered Toulon harbor and there was fighting to buy the fleet time. Considering the lack of fuel and armaments as well as German mining efforts there was no hope of evacuating the whole fleet.

    • @qjnmh
      @qjnmh 3 года назад +3

      Don’t forget that the French hated the British at this point in the war for the earlier Dar es Salam sinkings. If the French capital ships had escaped Toulon they sure as hell weren’t going to surrender to the RN which might weLFL have led to one of the more surreal and tragic Naval battles of all time.

  • @ricojes
    @ricojes 3 года назад +1

    Another Uranus episode about the precarity of the German rears. Well done.

  • @MichaelBartleySocrates
    @MichaelBartleySocrates 3 года назад +4

    This feels like the week that changed the war in the Eastern front

  • @LightFykki
    @LightFykki 3 года назад +1

    A nice little tidbit about Pluto there at the beginning. Many people do not know, but Pluto was actually first confirmed back in 1930, which is relatively recent compared to the rest of the Solar system planets.
    On the other hand, another great episode! I would have liked if we did hear a bit more about the Yugoslavian partisans as well, since at that time between Nov. 1942 and Jan. 1943 they managed to establish the so-called "Bihac Republic", the first (relatively) large area of land in the Axis territory at that part of Europe that got free, after the initial Republic of Uzice of course. It was also the place and time of the first AVNOJ council, essentially when the first Yugoslavian federal resolution and future plans were established.

  • @talamioros
    @talamioros 3 года назад +18

    Ah yes, more Uranus titles, Indy, you are a man of culture

    • @clarencegreen3071
      @clarencegreen3071 3 года назад +1

      March 10, 1977: Rings discovered around Uranus. Around 1985-1986: An attempt to change the pronunciation to YOUR- a-nuss so newscasters around the world would not have to suffer the sniggers and giggles when reporting on the progress of a deep space probe that flew by the planet. I think the attempt was not totally successful outside the realm of physics and astronomy.

    • @McSlobo
      @McSlobo 3 года назад +1

      Pincers which are closing make a sphincter.

  • @leomduffy794
    @leomduffy794 3 года назад +2

    I live in northern Wisconsin we have some of the coldest winters in the Unided states. Whenever its very very cold I don't complain. Cuz I always think of the solders that faught on the Eastern front. Excpecly the winter of 1941 was the coldest winter in over 100 years. I could not imadgin fighting a war in weather thats 50 below 0.

  • @zhshsG7
    @zhshsG7 3 года назад +39

    Great video as always guys! I have a question for Indy & co: Why did the French admiral at Toulon scuttle his fleet instead of just escaping to Africa? Whether he had decided to fight with the allies or just park somewhere, he would've saved a great proportion of the French fleet. So why?

    • @patwiggins6969
      @patwiggins6969 3 года назад +15

      I heard that another reason they scuttled the fleet was because they didn't want the English to have the ships either. Don't know if that's true or just a story

    • @drrohanjacob
      @drrohanjacob 3 года назад +18

      I am not an expert on it but apparently the armistice forbade them from filling up the fuel tanks of the ships so they could not sail.
      However by deception many ships has got enough fuel to make it north aftica by many low level officers enganging in subtrefuge.
      The main explaination given was that there were not enough men to man the ships as they were ordered by the germans to man costal defenses.
      The actual reason in my opinion is that many of the superior officers in the french navy simply did not want to fight.
      Certainly not if it meant allying with the english.
      The sad truth is many of them hated the british more than the germans and would rather be a nazi province than help the british

    • @drrohanjacob
      @drrohanjacob 3 года назад +11

      @@patwiggins6969 Anglophobia was a huge part of it

    • @theoldar
      @theoldar 3 года назад +2

      @@patwiggins6969 I have also read that.

    • @drrohanjacob
      @drrohanjacob 3 года назад +6

      Truth is if u look at french society before the outbreak of war it was on the brink of civil war.
      No one could agree on anything.
      This is why many initially welcomed petain as dictator .
      They truly beileved he would fix things..
      However he abused his power to try and remake france in his image.
      As he hated the english and was always a closet fascit

  • @OrnluWolfjarl
    @OrnluWolfjarl 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for talking about Pavlov's House! My wish has been granted! I would still like to see a special about it (since so little content exists about it as a documentary), but nonetheless, you've made me happy :)

  • @kiandocherty3589
    @kiandocherty3589 3 года назад +4

    Whoever is naming the Uranus episodes must be getting a kick out of this lol.

  • @seanmcateer7982
    @seanmcateer7982 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for covering 'Mars'.

  • @downskated
    @downskated 3 года назад +34

    After some initial pounding, Uranus broke through resistance and rampaged into the German rear. Thus leaving the whole of a German army stuffed and stuck, and subject to the further pounding of the Soviets.

    • @robertkras5162
      @robertkras5162 3 года назад +3

      Indeed - half the Red Army was lined up behind the Germans, waiting for their turn to further pound Paulus in the most brutal fashion they could manage.

  • @Avatar2312
    @Avatar2312 Год назад +1

    Hitler goes: "No way José" while Stalin goes "Offensive is up Uranus".

  • @ShinobiHOG
    @ShinobiHOG 3 года назад +3

    TIK did a great video on Pavlov's house. It's basically textbook fortification defense......

  • @jasonmussett2129
    @jasonmussett2129 3 года назад

    The best twenty minutes in my Sunday. My fave ever WW2 series

  • @tenarmurk
    @tenarmurk 3 года назад +3

    10:08 not said by göring as widely believed but by the chief of luftwaffe staff jeschonnek

    • @caryblack5985
      @caryblack5985 3 года назад +1

      Cary Black
      Cary Black
      1 second ago
      Correct and Jeschonnek did go back to Hitler and told him it could not be done. Later Goering said it could be done even after his experts said it could not.

  • @maartengoutier2085
    @maartengoutier2085 3 года назад +1

    So much amazing footage and research go into these video's. It just gets better and better. Keep up this amazing work!

  • @Duke_of_Lorraine
    @Duke_of_Lorraine 3 года назад +24

    "it was at this moment I felt how painful Operation Uranus would have been for us" - Friedrich Paulus

    • @silvercorvidsmarketing
      @silvercorvidsmarketing 3 года назад

      This will never get old.

    • @colinmerritt7645
      @colinmerritt7645 3 года назад +3

      More lubricant would have helped

    • @robertkras5162
      @robertkras5162 3 года назад +1

      well hey - you have half the Red Army in your rear, and your flanks are tied down... just like the shawshank redemption...

  • @TSmith-yy3cc
    @TSmith-yy3cc 3 года назад

    Fantastic as always TG! The detail and drama you manage to get into each episode is so impressive; really helps give context to the situation across most theatres!
    Really appreciate the extra detail and the book recommendations from the community in the comments as well!

  • @KiraC-q8g
    @KiraC-q8g 3 года назад +17

    Harding: "I am facing a catastrophe of the first magnitude"
    Zhukov at Rzhev: "Hold my vodka"

  • @od1452
    @od1452 3 года назад +1

    Thanks To the WW2 Crew for another great episode. I just thought I'd say that as we viewers have come to expect your great coverage of WW2 as common place... and maybe not give you all the pat on the back you deserve often enough. Please keep up the good work. And extra gratitude for Sparty and his crew for the War on Humanity. I watch it faithfully but there are days I just know I need to wait a day or two before watching... It mush be way harder for your researchers.
    Question. Did the Germans make any effort to stealthily get control of the French Navy ? .

  • @fulcrum2951
    @fulcrum2951 3 года назад +5

    I swear the Soviets knew what they're doing when naming the operation

  • @TheShadowwalker007
    @TheShadowwalker007 3 года назад

    Happy you will cover the Battle of Brisbane

  • @thanos_6.0
    @thanos_6.0 3 года назад +6

    November 1942. The month in which the tide of war turned. For both the western allies and soviets.

  • @patrikcath1025
    @patrikcath1025 7 месяцев назад +1

    Tiny nitpick - at 15:51 you mention Gruppe Meyer being cut off, but the animation shows a different unit.

  • @KiraC-q8g
    @KiraC-q8g 3 года назад +31

    The battle of Rzhev is rightfully seen as "forgotten" during the Soviet era, it only recently got a proper memorial (it's really cool, look it up) which depicts a Soviet soldier turning into a flock of cranes and flying away, which is a reference to a Soviet song:
    It sometimes seems to me that all the soldiers
    Who never returned from bloody battlefields
    Do not lie in the ground where they fell
    But turned into white cranes
    From those distant times right up to now
    They fly and give us their voices
    Is this not why we often, and with sorrow
    Fall silent, looking to the skies
    The weary formation flies and flies on through the sky
    It flies in the mist at the end of the day
    And in that formation there’s a tiny space
    It could be - that place is for me!
    The day will come, and with the flock of cranes
    I’ll be flying in just such a grey gloom
    Calling from the skies in the language of the birds
    To all of you I’ve left behind on earth.
    Another great poem about Rzhev is Aleksandr Tvardovsky's "I was killed at Rzhev". Here's a part of that one:
    I was killed outside Rzhev
    In a foul, nameless marsh.
    In a left-flank attack
    When the fighting was harsh.
    I could hear no explosion.
    See no bright flash of light;
    As if into a chasm
    I just vanished from sight.
    And this wide world all over,
    Till it comes to its end,
    Not a shred of my tunic,
    Not a button will be found.
    I am where the blind rootlets
    Wriggle thirstily down,
    Where the rye and the dust cloud
    Sway upon the high ground.
    Where the cock-crow at morning
    Is heard over the dew,
    Where the air’s torn asunder
    As your lorries roar through.
    Where the stream twines the grasses,
    One green blade with another,
    Where no one pays remembrance,
    No, not even a mother...
    Tell me, you that are living,
    If it’s such a long time
    Since the word “Stalingrad”
    Was first heard in the line.
    Like a weal on the body,
    The front endlessly flamed.
    I was killed, never knowing -
    Was Rzhev ours in the end?

    • @thesayxx
      @thesayxx 3 года назад +6

      In 2019 a monument honoring Russian and Soviet soldiers fallen on Slovenian soil during ww1 and ww2 was erected. It too depicts 6 cranes from the song you mentioned.

    • @KiraC-q8g
      @KiraC-q8g 3 года назад +4

      @@thesayxx Ok you got me to read and learn about Russian soldiers in Slovenia in WW1, apparently those were POWs who died while building a road for the Austro-Hungarians at the Isonzo front?
      Thanks for the prompt!

    • @thesayxx
      @thesayxx 3 года назад +4

      @@KiraC-q8g Yes. There was a massive landslide that burried allot of them. There is a Russian ortodox chapel built at mountain pass Vršič (the road they were building) in their honor. There is a ceremony held there every year, and i think in 2019 Putin attended.

    • @derrickthewhite1
      @derrickthewhite1 3 года назад +2

      I'm glad to see coverage of the eastern front on its other sectors. The thing is huge!

  • @HEKVT
    @HEKVT 3 года назад +1

    Such a swift and important operation.

  • @zoukoutelos
    @zoukoutelos 3 года назад +4

    it would be usefull if you can zoom out the maps so we can have a picture of the whole front changing between germany and soviet teritories

    • @qjnmh
      @qjnmh 3 года назад

      Go look at Eastory’s channel. He does the maps for these and has them in annual chunks. They are brilliant.

  • @GunnyKeith
    @GunnyKeith 3 года назад +2

    LMAO. Phone call at beginning is priceless.

  • @chaso4937
    @chaso4937 3 года назад +5

    GOOD SHOW INDY!! ESPECIALLY, GOOD JOB PRONOUNCING THOSE VERY NUMEROUS AND DIFFICULT ( at least for a non- Russkie ) TO PRONOUNCE RUSSIAN CITIES AND GENERALS NAMES!! ( and a couple tough French and Greek ones, too!! ) YOU MUST HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME RESEARCHING, PRACTICING, REHEARSING THE PROPER WAY TO SAY THEM!! IT SHOWS ARE MUCH YOU REALLY CARE, AND HOW DEDICATED YOU ARE TO TEACHING AND EDUCATING WITH THIS SERIES!! THANKS INDY!!! CHAS ORVIS, PLAINVILLE, CT.

  • @codykolis7577
    @codykolis7577 2 года назад +1

    I still remember Pavlov's House from CoD Classic on Veteran

  • @macleunin
    @macleunin 3 года назад +3

    About that title: the middle-schooler in me greets the middle-schooler inside you all.

  • @procyonant6805
    @procyonant6805 3 года назад +2

    Roosevelt and Churchill call Stalin: "Joseph, leave the name Neptune untouched", "Why?", "You'll find out later"

  • @zoomertoast3703
    @zoomertoast3703 3 года назад +6

    Not quite tired of laughing at all the Uranus jokes yet

  • @doomed1673
    @doomed1673 3 года назад

    Stripes and checkerboard combo?! Bold move Indy, bold move.

  • @82dorrin
    @82dorrin 3 года назад +4

    Always great to dive into Uranus.

    • @robertkras5162
      @robertkras5162 3 года назад +4

      Uranus is a pretty sizable subject.

  • @stewarti7192
    @stewarti7192 3 года назад +2

    It really is remarkable to see on the map the speed of the collapse of Axis control in North Africa. Almost as rapid as the elimination of Italian East Africa.

  • @TheLoyalOfficer
    @TheLoyalOfficer 3 года назад +8

    I want Stalingrad to end so I don't have to see any more cheesy "uranus" jokes.

  • @mohammedsaysrashid3587
    @mohammedsaysrashid3587 3 года назад

    Nice Video in showing tactical Maps of Mars Operation thanks for sharing

  • @Starkada
    @Starkada 3 года назад +18

    Anybody else been watching these episodes for over two years where it feels like you're actually living thru the war?

    • @colinmerritt7645
      @colinmerritt7645 3 года назад

      Absolutely.

    • @alecmiddleton1842
      @alecmiddleton1842 3 года назад

      Yes, it kind of connects me to my grandparents who lived and fought through the actual WW2.

  • @TheAngelOfDeath01
    @TheAngelOfDeath01 3 года назад

    "Does Pluto count?" Haha! Man, that takes me back some 16 years, to the Japanese Anime Sailor Moon, and to people's reaction when Pluto (iconised by Sailor Pluto, being the Guarding Senshi of the planet/Kingdom of Pluto) was demoted into a dwarf-planet!
    I love you, you guys!