Sir Greil vs The Black Knight, but he uses his 'proper weapon' - Fire Emblem Path of Radiance
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- Опубликовано: 29 мар 2024
- Disclaimer: The subtitles were taken from the English dub and do not represent an accurate translation of the Japanese dialogue.
The debugging map in Path of Radiance has both Greil and the Black Knight on opposing sides, allowing this fight to take place with minimal modding. By default, this version of Greil comes with the Reinforce skill (disabled prior to Tanith's recruitment in Chapter 18), but I swapped this out for Aether. Unlike Ike's Lord class, Greil's Hero class performs separate Aether animations for the Sol and Luna hits, resulting in the strange back-to-back attacks seen in the video. Greil's level has also been increased to 20, and his stats have scaled accordingly:
HP 60 | Str 26 | Mag 10 | Skl 27 | Spd 28 | Lck 20 | Def 24 | Res 22
The Black Knight's stats were inflated as well, but I reduced these back to their in-game levels to make for a more interesting fight:
HP 60 | Str 30 | Mag 17 | Skl 30 | Spd 27 | Lck 11 | Def 30 | Res 22 
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if only the black knight learned that tossing your sword in the air gives you hp back too, he could've surpassed his teacher.
I don’t know. Eclipse is pretty Strong. A god couldn’t stand against that.
@TheMilhouseExperience sadly in this game, it's only Luna, so it isn't any better than 1/2 of aether.
Lets be real, in that armor I doubt he could toss well much less even see, be dangerous for him
Yet, Ike learns Aether from the swordmaster Stefan
@trueblade3636 your name is very appropriate. Technically Stefan just helped ike master greil's swordsmanship as ike already had his father's teachings.
imagine how the story of the game would go if greil did this.
Ashnard be like "so wheres the black knight?"
petrine: "oh he ran after gawain and got rekt"
Ashnard: "oh....uhh....the medallion?"
petrine: "gawains daughter has it"
Ashnard: >.>
Petrine: "don't look at me..."
Petrine wouldn't even know that, most likely, so Team Daein would just have no fucking idea where it was for the rest of the game
Plus, isn't Asnard's objective just to make each race/country battle anyway? I don't remember what the Fire Emblem was used in the first game (and based on the second, it wouldn't have mattered)
@@icarue993 he wanted it because to further serve his desire to plunge the world into war and reshape it into something driven by strength alone, he did want the "dark god" released. He did a lot of damage without achieving that but he seemed pretty fixated on regular war not being enough if he couldn't release the god as well, and it seemed like he had limited understanding of Yune or the release conditions.
He *also* uses it to juice his power in the final boss on most difficulties.
@@TheJokerAkaCirqueI thought thats why he made the dragon laguz fight for him. Oh well.
Ike just loses his Main Character Privileges, sad ending
And Shinon and Gatrie never leave the company.
Not that Dunce Cap Ike deserves any less for leaving Elincia hanging. What's more is that he does continue his lineage in newer canon, so he indeed just...didn't choose Elincia. Bloody fool.
@@SJtheMFZBNah it was likely Mister that continued the legacy. Ike was so dumb for not becoming the King of Crimea and making Elincia his wife. Biggest missed opportunity for a main FE protagonist.
This happens, and then Volke shows up just to perform lethality and then disappear.
A contract is a contract
Picture this: this fight, HOWEVER, the Luna the black knight does kills Greil, thus not changing the story but giving big Z the feeling of actually besting his former master in combat only to be told later by Ike that he had Crippled his sword arm so even though the fight was a close call it was against a crippled guy and thus inflict maximum emotional damage.
That's dowright evil
close call... against a crippled guy with weapon triangle disadvantage
Honestly, knowing his skill, the Black Knight might have picked up on the fact that Greil wasn't at his best even equipped with his sword.
Would've been sick seeing Greil wield Ragnell. Though who knows how well he'd have been able to wield it since the tendons in his sword hand were sliced, so he would've needed to use his other hand or two-hand it.
Had his tendons not been sliced though, he would've diced up the BK relatively easily.
Yeah he couldn't wield a sword.... had to rely on a massive mega axe, sword was just too heavy I guess
@bobowon5450 Well he could technically use swords, he just wouldn't be as able to put as much strength into his swings as he could in the past. He's stronger with Urvan than he is with a standard sword because can two-hand Urvan. He's still able to utilize swords, just less proficient due to his sliced tendons. Which is why, according to in-game data, he has an S in Axes and an A in Swords (despite being a renowned swordsman in the past) which reflects how he crippled himself to relying on his two-handed axe.
@@AmirPrinceling If Ike can two hand the ragnell so could he but Greil I assume used a hand handed stance since the two people he trained do so two handing it likely would mean he'd still have no where near the power he used to have since his off hand likely wouldn't be that developed not to mention he wouldn't be used to two handing sword and likely lacked the skill he had when one handing as a result.
@Koppu1doragon Exactly yeah. In all the art we've seen of Greil when he was young, he one-handed his sword. He'd still be good if he two-handed a sword, but as you said, he wouldn't be as good as he was at his peak, would be more limited. Since his whole style relied on just one-hand.
Greil outright didn't want to wield swords in battle ever again. That's why he slashed his tendons. He was too skilled with a sword. When he grabbed the medallion he slaughtered his entire batallion, presumably full of skilled, handpicked veterans. It was because he was so good with it that Elena ended up dead.
Training his off-hand or two-handing it were not options in his mind, because he would never use a sword to fight again, just to train Ike. Even if he's skilled with Urvan, he will never be as skilled as he was before. Should he grab the medallion again, he will be easier to bring down. That's his bottom line in that aspect.
I can't believe we still don't have Legendary Gawain from his Great Rider days in FEH. How cool would that be?
Actually my number one most wanted unit 😭 emblem Ike was a nice add though
I’ve been saying this for yearssss, legendary Zelgius would be cool too
Would be nice to actually have a PoR Legendary, of which he's basically the only viable choice unless they open it up to villains and give us Ashnard (sorry Lord Ike, it'd be too weird if you were better than Vanguard Ike now). Splitting PoR and RD in Heroes was a dumb idea.
Please don't tempt us recovering whales with ideas like this... yes, it'd be cool AF, however, I'm not sure my self-control could handle it.
PS- also, I think they'd simply use Ike since everyone likes Ike... and he can just cameo as his dad instead.
Actually, not to be a party pooper, I think Greil wouldnt have won because he cut his tendons. Maybe before that, he definitely would have won
tbf, the guy just wanna die and let bk kill him faster without the ragnell so that he can meet his wife again
If I'm right greil can't actually use sword in real combat do to his severed tendon.
He cut the tendons of his _sword arm_ specifically, he didn't cut them all entirely. You don't see him train Ike and wield his axe that good for no reason.
He did the FE6 Marcus nerf on himself. Significantly weaker than before, but he probably still could have said "Nah, I'd win" if he wanted to.
@@lpfan4491 Indeed he could.
"Use Ragnell."
"No."
"Use it."
"No!"
"Use it!"
"Alright! Fine!"
Metaknight moment
*less than 5 minutes later*
"Why did I tell him to use it?"
You can tell the Black Knight is doomed because it's not even playing _Against the Black Knight._
Now he's the one who hears boss music!
This was the fight the Black Knight had hoped Greil would give him.
That was one of the most epic Fire Emblem-related things I have seen in a while, thank you
Lotta folks in the comments bringing up how Greil cut some of tendons acting like he wasn't training Ike in swordfighting anyway for many years. He did that to try and weaken himself enough for Volke to kill him if he ever went berserk again, and even THEN Volke wasn't feeling confident. Greil has a legit chance to beat Black Knight with Ragnell (and Aether) as much as Ike does, folks.
damn.
We have access to Greil's actual PoR stats (not his prologue boss fight, his real stats). He doesn't have Aether, at least at base. He can probably learn it with an occult scroll.
@@Jotari Yeah, he is programmed to get it iirc. I always love when unused data actually represents and extends what is already canon.
@@Jotari What I mean is that by all accounts he would be as skilled as Ike in lore at _worst._ But yes, if you can Debug/Hack the game, he WILL get the version of Aether seen in this video where Sol and Luna proc as separate hits instead of both right away.
Should be worth noting that by checking his actual stats, he was Lv10, meaning he legit still had room to grow with unused yet decently competent growth-rates, unlike many characters like that; Some of his stats would cap quicker while others slower than Ike's on the same levels even. There was a very real shot at taking on Black Knight _legit_ as he comes.
@@MrMarket1987I would not say that by all accounts he would be as skilled as Ike at worst. The first question that needs to be asked for that is "which Ike". Because Radiant Dawn says Ike reached Greil in his prime by the end of that game. So tendon cut Greil would be significantly weaker than that Ike. And if it's end game Path of Radiance Ike, then bear in mind The Black Knight let Ike win that fight precisely because Greil had cut his tendons and wasn't as skilled as he should be (or in Japanese some warp powder nonsense). So if tendon cut Greil is on par with Lord Ike then the Black Knight could probably beat him relatively easily even with Ragnell. And let's not pretend that Urvan is some crappy iron axe either. It's a really, really good weapon, better than Ragnell in many situations. That weapon triangle disadvantage isn't going to hurt much with such high accuracy. Ragnell has the range and the ability to actually cut through the armour, of course, but the Black Knight wasn't attacking at range and it's not like Greil got a solid hit in that the Black Knight needed to use his armour to tank. Sword or axe, the Black Knight beat Greil because Greil was older and with an intentional handicap. Ragnell would have helped him marginally at best.
I like how he does a mjolnir with ragnell like it's rightfully his
This is why its a tragedy that in Smash Ultimate they removed the older Ike Greil color costume. They put it on younger Ike who looks nothing like Greil.
Anyone else notice the myterious teleportation at 0:46?
I call hax
Or, I dunno, what if Greil used a Swordreaver (or Swordslayer, but BK isn't a Myrm/Merenary) if reaver weapons existed in Tellius?
EDIT: That is, a Swordreaver that has the ability to bypass the invincibility blessed hax from the BK's armor.
Just play Radiant Dawn and use a Hammer with Ike on 4-F-2. Same concept.
Way to save Ike and Mist some trauma.
lo que habría pasado realmente si Greil no se hubiera cortado los tendones de la mano dominante y no se reusara a usar espadas...
Mate eso nunca pasó
This should have been the alternate ending! 😢
Part of me thought Black Knight was gonna take all those beatings and then Black Luna to one-shot Greil so the ending doesn’t change lol
Holy shit, Greil knows Aether?
Greil is a hero, and according to the game, only Ike and the Hero class can learn Aether
Sadly greil couldn't have used the sword effectivly in real combat but it would of been a cool to have what of pre injury greil vs the black knight.
too bad he couldn't actually wield swords (due to having severed the tendons in his right arm)
See i knew With Us was better as a battle theme than recruitment
Bro did not fumble aether twice no way
Nah, that's actually legit how Greil uses Aether when you hack the game, give him the skill, and use him. He wasn't programmed to do both hits like Ike, so if you watch closely, you'll see that he's using Luna on the second strike; That's because internally Aether is meant to do Sol _and_ Luna in that order.
@@MrMarket1987 thank you nerd
Hand tendons matter
Yet, Ike learns Aether from the swordmaster Stefan
Stefan said that he see's Ike's foundation in sword play is strong but unfinished and so finishes Ike's training, resulting in him learning aether
yo I know its sorta unrelated but why does the cutscene look insanely crisp??
i like how he uses Aether but its not quite as efficient as Ikes version, kind of showing the different level of skill ike achieved compared to his father.
うわーこれは楽しい
What if you copy over gawking stats
Fake