One funny strat I really want to have fun with is Wish Passing Salamence. Because yes, at some point in it's life, Salamence had Wish(which it should have, because the whole lore about it is that it wished to have wings and be able to fly)
Several gen 1 Pokemon have gone even further than just falling to ZU, finding no usage during current gens. Tauros, Rhydon, and Victreebel are all currently Sub-Zero Used, and Jynx and Exeggutor were SU in gen 8. Even Gen 1 Pokemon in OU in other gens like Marowak, Golem, and Dugtrio have fallen to SU in newer gens.
From what I played of Pokémon the game has changed a lot over the years and I only played gen 8 and played the others on showdown which shows me how the game evolved and how it changed. One of the things that changed me the most was Zacian from gen 8 it’s overpowered status at that time taught me a valuable lesson if you want to win study the meta before you play and use top tiers cause if a Pokémon has to rely on a specific niche than you will lose every single time.
Honestly Salamace is still strong in UU. It's weird it doesn't have sheer force while Bagon does It's funny you made a video about Thundurus because therian just rose up to UU while Incarnate is now being suspect tested in RU at the moment. Mew had to be nerfed in order for them to fall in gen 9. If Snorlax got guts and slack off, it would be doing better. Regular Tauros is no longer good but it's aqua and blaze forms are actually very good. They do have a lot of potential.
@@KitoAkari1612it doesn’t check either of those tho. Ogerpon outspeeds and OHKOs with play rough and Zama outdamages and 1v1s mence even with just body press
@@KitoAkari1612 is SD not the most popular set? And are you really risking a 70% against a pokemon that can 6-0 you off a single wrong turn? Just because an option exists doesn’t mean it’s a good option
Dusknoir and Electivire were two staples of gen 4 OU that have become completely unviable even all the way down in ZU in generation 9. These guys were so impactful on the metagame back in the day. It’s so sad.
Actually, these two guys aren’t even good in Gen 4 OU, however new players used them so much that they never dropped to UU, where they would’ve done well.
Both of those pokémon are considered "not worth using in OU" in gen4 and are only OU by technicality, for historical purposes. Maybe while DPP were current people thought they worked, but they aren't very good at all.
Well thats not their job. Their job is to create cool/unique pokemon that people will want to use. Strong pokemon just come around as an effect of that
@@sumirsookdeo9443 that is nowhere close to an applicable analogy. Smogon is not a part of game freak. And pokemon arent designed with competitive integrity in mind. This is like blaming the ingredient suppliers for the restaurant being dirty. They have nothing to do with it
Fornite does not have competitive integrity in mind either cause every season has something busted about it especially the newer seasons. That seems to be a common theme in competitive games it starts out simple but overtime overpowered strategies or certain things like overpowered Pokémon or overpowered weapons in shooters become the meta.
@@supermariomaker1734 there are two differences: firstly, pokemon is not a game based strictly around pvp. There arent balance patches and buffs/nerfs only happen between generation (3-4 years) and arent usually based on competitive results. Secondly is that game freak doesn’t control Pokemon’s competitive scene. Smogon is generally considered the more broken mode and it is a third party group that is not officially sanctioned. Even VGC is ran by TPCI and thus has different goals and values in comparison to game freak. Game Freaks only goal is to create cool and unique designs that players will want to use. Its up to organizations like TPCI and Smogon to make those mons fit into a competitive environment. This is very different from games like Fortnite or Tekken where the pvp environment is directly controlled by the developers
Heracross was OU for its first 2 generations to being NU in Gen 9. It was even in PU at one point in Gen 9
If Tauros had to describe his competitive carrier, he would do the Kratos falling meme
If Heracross was given an elemental punch, U-Turn and strength sap, it would be doing much better.
@@mandalorianhunter1 Or better yet…
First Impression
@@aldwych285 oh yeah I forgot that, yeah it needs that and definitely more priority moves
@@mandalorianhunter1 The powercreep makes me unsure if that its even enough
Snorlax never getting slack off is just sad, its the bare minimum they could do for it imo
They probably think Rest as a move is too iconic for Snorlax, a move that would be supplanted by Slack Off if it were availabe to it.
@@Alector12 But everything learn rest...
One funny strat I really want to have fun with is Wish Passing Salamence. Because yes, at some point in it's life, Salamence had Wish(which it should have, because the whole lore about it is that it wished to have wings and be able to fly)
Wish Mence is actually very viable in Advance OU. It’s not the best set imo but has its moments and is still pretty good
Several gen 1 Pokemon have gone even further than just falling to ZU, finding no usage during current gens. Tauros, Rhydon, and Victreebel are all currently Sub-Zero Used, and Jynx and Exeggutor were SU in gen 8. Even Gen 1 Pokemon in OU in other gens like Marowak, Golem, and Dugtrio have fallen to SU in newer gens.
@@annaangelic2318 Dugtrio is bad mainly because its main niche (Arena Trap) is banned in OU tho.
From what I played of Pokémon the game has changed a lot over the years and I only played gen 8 and played the others on showdown which shows me how the game evolved and how it changed. One of the things that changed me the most was Zacian from gen 8 it’s overpowered status at that time taught me a valuable lesson if you want to win study the meta before you play and use top tiers cause if a Pokémon has to rely on a specific niche than you will lose every single time.
Honestly Salamace is still strong in UU. It's weird it doesn't have sheer force while Bagon does
It's funny you made a video about Thundurus because therian just rose up to UU while Incarnate is now being suspect tested in RU at the moment.
Mew had to be nerfed in order for them to fall in gen 9.
If Snorlax got guts and slack off, it would be doing better.
Regular Tauros is no longer good but it's aqua and blaze forms are actually very good. They do have a lot of potential.
Salamence may be good in OU for a dedicate Waterpon / Zamazenta check.
@@KitoAkari1612it doesn’t check either of those tho. Ogerpon outspeeds and OHKOs with play rough and Zama outdamages and 1v1s mence even with just body press
@@sethdavis3046 Waterpon cannot OHKO with play rough unless it’s SD set. Zam doesn’t like Hurricane
@@KitoAkari1612 is SD not the most popular set? And are you really risking a 70% against a pokemon that can 6-0 you off a single wrong turn? Just because an option exists doesn’t mean it’s a good option
Wat r u talking bout ? Misdreavus didn't fell off. In fact it got banned to ubers and is dominant in vgc
Ur talking about its variant flutter mane. Literally the same Mon (stat distribution wise)except one has game freaks power creep.
@@xxcridonxx7614 did you not get the joke
@@ironredsword1618 joke is so corny I thought he was being serious too
@@ironredsword1618 it was even worded like a joke.
Lmao
Dusknoir and Electivire were two staples of gen 4 OU that have become completely unviable even all the way down in ZU in generation 9. These guys were so impactful on the metagame back in the day. It’s so sad.
Actually, these two guys aren’t even good in Gen 4 OU, however new players used them so much that they never dropped to UU, where they would’ve done well.
that's the joke
Both of those pokémon are considered "not worth using in OU" in gen4 and are only OU by technicality, for historical purposes.
Maybe while DPP were current people thought they worked, but they aren't very good at all.
@@geodude671 Damn. How’d that fly over me?
They were staples alright. for all the bad reasons
Salamence is still the goat for me
I was just thinking about Deoxy-s D
Rhydon's "unique" typing
Salamence will always be my goat
Blame the producers in Nintendo that can't shape or create a balanced meta!
Well thats not their job. Their job is to create cool/unique pokemon that people will want to use. Strong pokemon just come around as an effect of that
@@sethdavis3046 that's still their job. Everything in your restaurant food is the cooks fault.
@@sumirsookdeo9443 that is nowhere close to an applicable analogy. Smogon is not a part of game freak. And pokemon arent designed with competitive integrity in mind. This is like blaming the ingredient suppliers for the restaurant being dirty. They have nothing to do with it
Fornite does not have competitive integrity in mind either cause every season has something busted about it especially the newer seasons. That seems to be a common theme in competitive games it starts out simple but overtime overpowered strategies or certain things like overpowered Pokémon or overpowered weapons in shooters become the meta.
@@supermariomaker1734 there are two differences: firstly, pokemon is not a game based strictly around pvp. There arent balance patches and buffs/nerfs only happen between generation (3-4 years) and arent usually based on competitive results. Secondly is that game freak doesn’t control Pokemon’s competitive scene. Smogon is generally considered the more broken mode and it is a third party group that is not officially sanctioned. Even VGC is ran by TPCI and thus has different goals and values in comparison to game freak. Game Freaks only goal is to create cool and unique designs that players will want to use. Its up to organizations like TPCI and Smogon to make those mons fit into a competitive environment. This is very different from games like Fortnite or Tekken where the pvp environment is directly controlled by the developers