I love this series of videos! they are really useful, not only to be introduced to a deck to play; but moreover to know and learn the metagame, and what to expect from your oponents! Congratulations
I have been fascinated with these sorts of decks since OG Extended Pox decks. Interesting that the strategy is decent again … thanks for a solid overview
My in depth videos like this go over the archetype as a whole, so I don't base it off a specific list. I think if you add up all the cards I go over here, you end up with 70 Maindeck ones 😅 My hope is that by understanding all the options you can have in your deck, Players can find a list that works for them, and people who want to play against the deck understand what to anticipate in a closed deck list event. However, I can offer a sample list if you want to know what I would look to build like: www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6400811#paper
This video was fantastic. I just started a series on my channel playing Waste Not on my way to my first RCQ, and this video will be really helpful in shaping how I think about the other decks in the format moving forward.
Found your RUclips channel thanks to a subreddit where you analyzed angels in pioneer. I was trying to brew a Naya angels list for pioneer and came across that post.
Yup! That's the main way you're going to be flipping it in this deck. It's relevant that if YOU also have one of fewer cards it can flip since when you get to top deck mode people will hold cards to prevent the flip
The background of the video is the showcase artwork for Braids, Arisen Nightmare from DMU! I zoomed it in and swapped the colors around a bit. It looks like Ultra Pro used to sell it as a mat, but no more. I see some listings on eBay: ultrapro.com/products/dominaria-united-braids-arisen-nightmare-standard-gaming-playmat-for-magic-the-gathering
I would like to ask more detail about the placement of Azorius Spirits matchup being favorable for spirits (I play that deck indeed). I imagine you are aware that there are currently two different flavours of this deck, the classic one that plays curious obession and cryptic coat (either monoblue or azorius) and the new, midrange one, that switches CO for wandering emperor and other midrange cards. Which of these two versions do you mean that is well positioned against waste not? Why do you think so?
I have only seen one list (the 9-1 one) with The Wandering Emperor in the deck and I feel like that is not how Spirits should be building their deck at the moment. I don't think Emperor gives them anything against decks they have issues with (like Amalia) and seeing them go bigger is better for Waste Not pilots tbh. Losing Geistlight Snare for 1 mana is also a huge blow I don't like seeing. I've also not seen lists with a ton of Cryptic Coats recently, although I know they exist. Tishana's Tidebinder seems to be taking that slot now. Waste Not is in essence a Control deck, and Azorius Spirits as a Tempo deck is naturally advantages. Spirits is a deck with impactful spells, but mostly Creatures. It actually has more Creatures than decks like Mono Red, Gruul, or Heroic - which means Waste Not loses effectiveness on cards like Duress and really needs Thoughtseize. It also has Rattlechains, which is effectively Counterspells our removal and turns all the spirits into Flash creatures, making Mausoleum Wanderer extremely potent against our deck full of Instants and Sorceries. The cards Spirits uses to deal with Waste Not are cheap and efficient. If the deck stalls Waste Not enough, there isn't much the Black deck can do with a hand full of the wrong answers for the state of the game. Going bigger with 3+ mana cards means the cards Waste Not is holding become more effective. If Spirits can't double spell because they need to hold up 4 mana, or can't activate Creature lands or abilities because they need to hold up 3-4 mana, Waste Not becomes much better at its spells not being dead. It also means Spirits is going up the curve and applying less pressure early and less ways to generate their own cars advantage to keep tempo on games, allowing decks like Waste Not to claw back in after 1-3 turns of being stalled. You kinda mentioned it on your question - when the deck gets bigger and turns into more of a midrange deck, it loses the ability to control tempo the way the cheaper, low to the ground deck can. I have a deck tech on a Mono Blue Spirits list that explains the concept of tempo decks a little bit more which will shine even more light onto why they're better versus Control decks!
That all really depends on what your specific sideboard is! Since this overviews the entire archetype, I don't have one specific deck list I can point to and say "These 5 cards go in, these 5 cards come out." I'm working off data from multiple lists so that you can build a list with options for a matchup that may be more or less prevalent in your local metagame. It also depends on the flavor of Aggro matchup - as my advice for sideboarding against Convoke, Heroic, Mono Red, and Gruul is going to be different. I gave some general tips as to what archetypes cards in the maindeck/sideboard are good against, so in general I would take out the Control cards and put in the anti-Creature cards (unless it's Prowess or Heroic, in which case keeping Duress makes more sense as they have so many spells for example).
@@optimustomtvThis is helpful, thank you! By control cards, do you mean stuff like Duress and Thoughtseize, or would you always keep Thoughtseize in the deck? I would think against red deck, the -2 life is very important.
@@suh1120 It honestly depends on how you think the matchup will go. For example, Thoughtseizing a Slickshot Show-Off represents more than 2 life loss if they cast ANY spells. But if your opponent is using Tokens and Venerated Loxodon, it doesn't make sense to snag a 1 damage creature for 2 life.
I don't use a single list for these, I use a combination of decks in the archetype! However, if you want a sample list of something close to what I'd run, try this one: www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6400811#paper
Waste not is way more strong than people think. They are blinded by trends of new cards or something. Nearly all Waste not decks I have made, made me a majority of wins by far compared to even more powerful decks.
I do love making discard players sad with the ol turn 0 leyline. Its disappointing the amount of cards get around Leyline because of commander like Sheoldreds Edict
I'm the opposite in that I like it hahaha. I don't know if those cards are specific to Commander, although the wording would allude to it. I think the wording is specific to make sure those cards don't hate out entire archetypes, similar to how they've shied away from "Protection from (Color)" in favor of "Hexproof from (Color)" now.
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I love this series of videos! they are really useful, not only to be introduced to a deck to play; but moreover to know and learn the metagame, and what to expect from your oponents!
Congratulations
Thank you so much! Glad you're enjoying them, I was hoping they would hit a sweet spot for intro to format and a bit of advanced learning!
This is A+ content! You earned my sub
Whoohoo thank you! Welcome to the Channel and I hope to deliver more content you'll enjoy!
I have been fascinated with these sorts of decks since OG Extended Pox decks. Interesting that the strategy is decent again … thanks for a solid overview
Glad you like them! They're a personal fav of mine too!
You should show the entire deck at some point together, probably the beginning.
My in depth videos like this go over the archetype as a whole, so I don't base it off a specific list. I think if you add up all the cards I go over here, you end up with 70 Maindeck ones 😅
My hope is that by understanding all the options you can have in your deck, Players can find a list that works for them, and people who want to play against the deck understand what to anticipate in a closed deck list event.
However, I can offer a sample list if you want to know what I would look to build like: www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6400811#paper
This video was fantastic. I just started a series on my channel playing Waste Not on my way to my first RCQ, and this video will be really helpful in shaping how I think about the other decks in the format moving forward.
Glad it was helpful to you! Hope you're able to win an RCQ with the deck :)
Old but gold
Found your RUclips channel thanks to a subreddit where you analyzed angels in pioneer. I was trying to brew a Naya angels list for pioneer and came across that post.
Quick note on Aclazotz, you can flip him when either play has one or fewer cards in hand. It doesn't have to be your opponent!
great video
Thank you!
Aclazotz, the bat god, can flip if ANY player has one or fewer cards in hand. So can be you or your opponent.
Yup! That's the main way you're going to be flipping it in this deck. It's relevant that if YOU also have one of fewer cards it can flip since when you get to top deck mode people will hold cards to prevent the flip
what is that playmat? i tried searching for a bit and couldn't find it
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The background of the video is the showcase artwork for Braids, Arisen Nightmare from DMU! I zoomed it in and swapped the colors around a bit.
It looks like Ultra Pro used to sell it as a mat, but no more. I see some listings on eBay: ultrapro.com/products/dominaria-united-braids-arisen-nightmare-standard-gaming-playmat-for-magic-the-gathering
@@optimustomtv thank you!, i thought it might be braids but i couldn't find it in the color of your video. that makes sense.
I would like to ask more detail about the placement of Azorius Spirits matchup being favorable for spirits (I play that deck indeed).
I imagine you are aware that there are currently two different flavours of this deck, the classic one that plays curious obession and cryptic coat (either monoblue or azorius) and the new, midrange one, that switches CO for wandering emperor and other midrange cards.
Which of these two versions do you mean that is well positioned against waste not? Why do you think so?
I have only seen one list (the 9-1 one) with The Wandering Emperor in the deck and I feel like that is not how Spirits should be building their deck at the moment. I don't think Emperor gives them anything against decks they have issues with (like Amalia) and seeing them go bigger is better for Waste Not pilots tbh. Losing Geistlight Snare for 1 mana is also a huge blow I don't like seeing.
I've also not seen lists with a ton of Cryptic Coats recently, although I know they exist. Tishana's Tidebinder seems to be taking that slot now.
Waste Not is in essence a Control deck, and Azorius Spirits as a Tempo deck is naturally advantages. Spirits is a deck with impactful spells, but mostly Creatures. It actually has more Creatures than decks like Mono Red, Gruul, or Heroic - which means Waste Not loses effectiveness on cards like Duress and really needs Thoughtseize. It also has Rattlechains, which is effectively Counterspells our removal and turns all the spirits into Flash creatures, making Mausoleum Wanderer extremely potent against our deck full of Instants and Sorceries.
The cards Spirits uses to deal with Waste Not are cheap and efficient. If the deck stalls Waste Not enough, there isn't much the Black deck can do with a hand full of the wrong answers for the state of the game.
Going bigger with 3+ mana cards means the cards Waste Not is holding become more effective. If Spirits can't double spell because they need to hold up 4 mana, or can't activate Creature lands or abilities because they need to hold up 3-4 mana, Waste Not becomes much better at its spells not being dead. It also means Spirits is going up the curve and applying less pressure early and less ways to generate their own cars advantage to keep tempo on games, allowing decks like Waste Not to claw back in after 1-3 turns of being stalled.
You kinda mentioned it on your question - when the deck gets bigger and turns into more of a midrange deck, it loses the ability to control tempo the way the cheaper, low to the ground deck can. I have a deck tech on a Mono Blue Spirits list that explains the concept of tempo decks a little bit more which will shine even more light onto why they're better versus Control decks!
Can you please provide some advice on sideboarding vs specific matchups, like what to take out and bring in vs. aggro?
That all really depends on what your specific sideboard is!
Since this overviews the entire archetype, I don't have one specific deck list I can point to and say "These 5 cards go in, these 5 cards come out." I'm working off data from multiple lists so that you can build a list with options for a matchup that may be more or less prevalent in your local metagame.
It also depends on the flavor of Aggro matchup - as my advice for sideboarding against Convoke, Heroic, Mono Red, and Gruul is going to be different. I gave some general tips as to what archetypes cards in the maindeck/sideboard are good against, so in general I would take out the Control cards and put in the anti-Creature cards (unless it's Prowess or Heroic, in which case keeping Duress makes more sense as they have so many spells for example).
@@optimustomtvThis is helpful, thank you! By control cards, do you mean stuff like Duress and Thoughtseize, or would you always keep Thoughtseize in the deck? I would think against red deck, the -2 life is very important.
@@suh1120 It honestly depends on how you think the matchup will go. For example, Thoughtseizing a Slickshot Show-Off represents more than 2 life loss if they cast ANY spells. But if your opponent is using Tokens and Venerated Loxodon, it doesn't make sense to snag a 1 damage creature for 2 life.
Yes, this is Mono Black Control.
Myyyy favorite
Do you have a link to the decklist? Or an arena export?
I don't use a single list for these, I use a combination of decks in the archetype!
However, if you want a sample list of something close to what I'd run, try this one: www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6400811#paper
@@optimustomtv thank you!!
Waste not is way more strong than people think. They are blinded by trends of new cards or something. Nearly all Waste not decks I have made, made me a majority of wins by far compared to even more powerful decks.
I do love making discard players sad with the ol turn 0 leyline. Its disappointing the amount of cards get around Leyline because of commander like Sheoldreds Edict
I'm the opposite in that I like it hahaha.
I don't know if those cards are specific to Commander, although the wording would allude to it. I think the wording is specific to make sure those cards don't hate out entire archetypes, similar to how they've shied away from "Protection from (Color)" in favor of "Hexproof from (Color)" now.
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