Stream Moonlight REMOTELY. Moonlight+Sunshine+Tailscale

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  • @Sooled897
    @Sooled897 Месяц назад +2

    No way man thank u so much, i was unable to connect to mi pc via zero tier + moonlight or moonlight + sunshine cause mi internet provider remove me an public ipv4 on my router, being unable to open tcp/udp ports in my router so it was impossible to connect to my pc out of my house, but now i can connect to my pc everywhere with this method. Thank u so much

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  Месяц назад

      Happy to help! Thanks for watching

    • @vinodkumarsingh1973
      @vinodkumarsingh1973 25 дней назад

      Bro can you tell which give you bettter experience ipv4 or this method

  • @J3ubbleboy
    @J3ubbleboy 2 месяца назад +2

    Great tutorial, got this set up in less then 10 minutes and was playing over the cellular network. Works quite well and I bet if I can get wi-fi it will be even smoother. Thank you!

  • @rodrigoaraujopereira4724
    @rodrigoaraujopereira4724 13 дней назад

    Thank you very much man! After looking far and wide for a solution, i´m really glad i´ve found your channel. Great work!

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  13 дней назад +1

      Glad to help! Thanks for watching

    • @jaykay9318
      @jaykay9318 3 дня назад

      How is input lag

    • @rodrigoaraujopereira4724
      @rodrigoaraujopereira4724 3 дня назад

      @@jaykay9318 I guess that in the end it all depends on your internet connection, and Moonlight itself has settings to minimize this kind of thing, but out of the box, without any changes, i really can't feel any lag.
      Playing from my workplace with a 5ghz Wi-fi network, and my own PC connected via cable at home, it works flawlessly.

    • @rodrigoaraujopereira4724
      @rodrigoaraujopereira4724 3 дня назад

      ​@@jaykay9318Through a 5ghz Wi-fi network at my workplace and my cabled connection at home, i didnt notice any input lag.
      Really smooth.
      Give it a try.
      Moonlight itself has settings to minimize the latency, should it occur.

    • @rodrigoaraujopereira4724
      @rodrigoaraujopereira4724 3 дня назад

      ​@@jaykay9318And actually i had responded your question early in the morning, but forgot to hit "send". 😅

  • @frenFranad
    @frenFranad 2 месяца назад +5

    After days, finally I was able to follow the video above, for a different network (long distance).
    I am very grateful.
    Please make another tutorial for DuoStream, DuoStream still doesn't work using tailscale, hopefully my comment will be read and a tutorial will be made for DuoStream soon.

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  2 месяца назад +1

      Hi. Glad to hear it's working. Frankly, I wasn't aware at all of Duostream. I've checked it and it looks very interesting, as a way to share a system for several tasks, and being able to stream a game while someone else uses the PC for something else. I will try to check it in the future, but it might take some time, since I didn't even know it existed! Thanks for the heads up, though!

    • @frenFranad
      @frenFranad 2 месяца назад

      @@CloudGamingCouch Yes DuoStream uses sunshine too but includes.

    • @frenFranad
      @frenFranad 2 месяца назад

      @@CloudGamingCouch So streaming, but the host is not disturbed, that's very good.

    • @frenFranad
      @frenFranad 2 месяца назад +1

      @@CloudGamingCouch I'm waiting for the tutorial so that it can connect to a different/long distance network. Hopefully in the near future, thank you.

  • @DanzyRemix
    @DanzyRemix 3 месяца назад +1

    thank you SOOO much man. subbed and this should spread around everywhere

  • @enzoxdt6130
    @enzoxdt6130 14 дней назад

    you're a hero, thank you for everything

  • @vortextesla627
    @vortextesla627 День назад +1

    Works like a charm. Thank you so much, my friend. Do you think it could happen, that tailscale will be not free anymore in the next time?

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  День назад +1

      I don't think that's a probable outcome. Tailscale already have paid options and they have actively chosen this area of their business model to be free. But even if they changed their mind, I have another video in this channel where I show how to do the same thing with Nord VPN Meshnet, which is free too. And there's even another option called Zerotier to explore. So plenty of free options around.

  • @Endo_G2
    @Endo_G2 Месяц назад

    Dude, I love you so much. You just saved me so much money. I bought an iPad for college and port forwarding was working at my house, but not at my college. I was really sad because I thought I wasn't gonna be able to stream my desktop from my dorm room. You literally saved me thank you thank you thank you!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  Месяц назад

      Glad that it helped. That's the whole point. Thanks for watching!

    • @vinodkumarsingh1973
      @vinodkumarsingh1973 25 дней назад

      Bro which give you better input lag port forwarding or tail scale method

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  25 дней назад

      Sometimes they are the same, but if you are behind a restrictive network, port forwarding might be faster. I still don't recommend it, though, because port forwarding is a major security hole.

    • @vinodkumarsingh1973
      @vinodkumarsingh1973 24 дня назад

      @@CloudGamingCouch brother what is resprecttive network

    • @vinodkumarsingh1973
      @vinodkumarsingh1973 24 дня назад

      @@CloudGamingCouch brother what is resprecttive network

  • @GeraldExynosPreps
    @GeraldExynosPreps Месяц назад +1

    omg, this is nice working successfully, big thanks !

  • @VisualArt3D
    @VisualArt3D 2 месяца назад

    You are a life saver!!! Thank you so much!

  • @MihanKhasprega
    @MihanKhasprega 3 месяца назад +1

    thanks dude, works wonderful

  • @BossLifeCouple
    @BossLifeCouple 4 дня назад

    simple easy and fast setup thank you! Just earned a sub from me :)

  • @awadhiyarishi
    @awadhiyarishi 21 день назад +1

    Bro i am use parsec and sunshine+moonlight
    Today i test it my library is 1 miles away from house my library is also same isp which i have using it i am getting very low latency aprrox 4-6 ms by parsec and moonlight and sunsine ...
    My friend just leave close to library he using another fibre but i am getting 80-110ms latency why....??? My friend fibre is also good

  • @denizkendirci
    @denizkendirci 8 дней назад +1

    I prefer zerotier, but it's essentially the same, so it's a personal preference.

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  8 дней назад

      Absolutely. I also did another video with Nord VPN Meshnet which is, again, another similar option.

  • @pdppdp3854
    @pdppdp3854 20 дней назад

    excellent tutorial

  • @aLeXb411
    @aLeXb411 3 дня назад

    Thanks for the easy tutorial! It worked for me the first time, now when I try to connect through moonlight using my host PC IP address it says "Unable to connect to the specified PC".

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  3 дня назад

      Oh, weird. Could your ip have changed? Also, as a test, does the regular connection through wifi (without Tailscale) work?

    • @aLeXb411
      @aLeXb411 3 дня назад

      @@CloudGamingCouch The IP address shown on the admin console of tailscale is the same.
      My router has my WAN Connection type as Automatic IP. Should I change this to Static IP?
      Regular connection through wifi on the same network works fine.
      FYI - I am using a handheld windows device (ayaneo) to connect to my main gaming PC.

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  3 дня назад

      Regarding the automatic vs static ip, I'm not sure it's the culprit, but it might be worth trying if it's quick. You're not the first user to have issues with Windows Handhelds, which makes me suspect about their security settings. Another thing to try might be configuring from another device. Let's say an android phone?
      Finally, if you can't get it to work, another option would be to try my other video with the equally free NordVPN meshnet, and see if that works.
      Just some options for you to try.

  • @ayushrathore4514
    @ayushrathore4514 Месяц назад +1

    thanks man it worked

  • @fianmu
    @fianmu Месяц назад +1

    how about latency ? which better UPNP or Tailscale ?
    thanks for this video

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  Месяц назад +2

      The general consensus is that UPNP is usually more convenient for gaming, but not necessarily faster. It depends on the type of server you are connecting to. But personally, I don't care at all, because UPNP is such a big security hole, that I would never enable it, even if it improved my latency.
      Sure, jumping from a plane without a parachute is faster... but is it safer? :D

  • @dave.thedev
    @dave.thedev 3 месяца назад +1

    So essentially when I leave on a trip I should run this app on my desktop before I go, then I'd be able to remotely stream over a phone network even? Looking forward to trying this out and seeing how it performs! Thank you

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  3 месяца назад

      That's correct! I recommend you to test this out first, to know how well it runs with your specific phone network. That will allow you to make any resolution or bitrate adjustments for a better performance. I was very pleasantly surprised with mine though.

  • @UnknownGamer_metal
    @UnknownGamer_metal 2 дня назад

    wow. it's working fine. but sometimes it lags. maybe because of my internet? I only have 50mbps plan. I dunno if that is not enough

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  День назад

      Possibly. I just ran a quick speed test on Ookla and I was getting 10 times that speed on my 5g connection, which actually rivals my wifi, although the pin was higher on the 5G, and probably stability is lower too. It's obviously very dependant on your connection speed. But even then, this setup allows you to play from another strong wifi far away, which still holds value, I think.

  • @azipratamaputra1335
    @azipratamaputra1335 2 месяца назад +1

    This is a helpful tutorial that I can't get it done cuz tailscale won't open on my windows 11
    Do you know what could possibly caused it?

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  2 месяца назад

      hi there. Glad to hear you find the tutorial helpful. Unfortunately no one has reported such problems with Win11 and Tailscale recently. In fact, my version is running on Win11 without issues. Assuming the usual suspects are covered, such as running it as admin, updating your Windows and making sure your antivirus isn't stopping Tailscale from running, the next thing I would do is to check your services to see if Tailscale appears there when you try to open it. Is the process there at all? Do you get any error messages?

  • @reaperx2341
    @reaperx2341 5 дней назад

    What settings you use to get the lowest latency with using tail scale

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  4 дня назад

      latency is very dependant on your connection to be honest. The first port of call would be lowering your bitrate or even your resolution to see if that improves your latency.

  • @austinpohjola
    @austinpohjola Месяц назад

    I appreciate the helpful information; however, I am wondering about the safety of this. I am currently on a public network and I would like to stream my pc through tailscale without allowing access to my PC to others on the Lan. I'm sure that it isn't an issue now as I already need a vpn to use moonlight, but I would like to be safer in the future with other LAN's. Is there a way to configure sunshine to only allow computers on tailscale to access the stream? Could I use the tailscale provided ip address in external IP setting to achieve this?

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  Месяц назад +1

      Hi. I have thoughts :) First of all, this setup compared to the traditional "manual port forwarding" is WAY safer. So, for starters, I'm explaining a much more secure and straightforward way to do things. I think that's value in and of itself.
      Secondly, as you know, Tailscale is essentially a VPN, and being built over Wireguard, it is quite secure. It is considered a pretty safe system in general, and the only alternatives to make this more secure and equally performant require a looooot of manual tinkering, which 99% of the people don't want to go through (me included). This being said, you are still opening remote access to your machine, and that, by definition, is going to be a potential security risk.
      I guess, if you wanted to be 100% safe, you would use a separate gaming machine that only has games installed into it, and keep it isolated from the rest of your personal network. Of course, that requires some extra hardware. Regarding your question, on Sunshine's option for external IP, you are right in theory, but in practical terms I seriously doubt that option by itself would provide a stronger security and less "back doors" than Wireguard does already.
      I hope my opinion helped, and thanks for watching!

  • @ignatiusloyolamulti1186
    @ignatiusloyolamulti1186 Месяц назад

    so previously i was asking regarding the security measures about the previous video where you're capable of streaming your PC for as long as you're using the same wifi.
    what about this one? is it really secure?
    my apologies for the barrage of questions 😅😅

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  Месяц назад

      Hey. So, I replied a couple of weeks ago to @austinpohjola about this exact matter. He asked exactly about the same thing on this very same video, so check that as I gave him a long reply. Bottom line, it's rather safe...but less so than a local network.
      No problem about your questions!. I enjoy the contact with my community. Thanks again for watching.

  • @Jayswrlddddd
    @Jayswrlddddd 29 дней назад

    I can’t seem to get my pc connected to Tailscale it says my iPhone there but what about my pc

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  29 дней назад

      Hi. You don't give me a lot of info to work with. Did you start by installing Tailscale into your PC, just like the video? If you did that and added your email you should have that one straight away as the very first device in your network.

  • @FAELZIM708
    @FAELZIM708 16 дней назад

    how do i make me and my friend play different games at the same time??

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  16 дней назад

      I've heard this is possible with something called "Duostream," but it's not something I'm not currently following actively.

  • @chrisdzierzon
    @chrisdzierzon 3 месяца назад +1

    Hey, great video i want to use it to play some games on trips on my mac on my gaming pc at home. I tried it out and it works but it alwys says on the client "slow connection to pc, reduce bitrate" except putting the bitrate to a minimum is there anything else i can do to make this better? For the test my mac is on a 5G mobile network. And another question, is it possible to remotely start my pc through that?

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  3 месяца назад +1

      Hey. Regarding the bitrate, it is very bit dependant on the bandwidth. Yes. Besides the bitrate setting, there are other options to tweak such as resolution, frame rate or frame pacing, but at some point you might need to accept that a 5g connection isn't going to give you a high resolution streaming with high quality image and low latency the way a regular high speed wifi would do.
      Regarding starting your PC remotely, it is possible, but it does require a bit of network knowledge. But it is possible to use the "Wake On Lan" option from Moonlight to wake up a sleeping/ hibernating system. It's what I do, so your Pc won't use almost any energy until woken up. If you do it, I recommend checking your Windows settings and disabling the security password after sleeping. (But keep it after reboot, for security purposes). Just my 2 cents.

    • @chrisdzierzon
      @chrisdzierzon 2 месяца назад +1

      @@CloudGamingCouch hey thank you for your answer. i tried it now with the neighboors wifi which is fast but it still says the same... is there anything I can do in sunshine/moonlight or tailscale?

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  2 месяца назад

      If you just use Moonlight and Sunshine WITHOUT Tailscale (you might need to change the IP on Moonlight) do you still get the same message?

    • @chrisdzierzon
      @chrisdzierzon 2 месяца назад +1

      @@CloudGamingCouch so you mean if I use it within my own network? then it works flawless, tried it with my macbook and the shield

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  2 месяца назад

      Yes, that was the first test. OK, so back to the remote version (the one with Tailscale). Have you tried lowering A LOT the default resolution on Moonlight just to see if it gets rid of the bitrate message? If it does it looks like a bandwidth issue, but if it doesn't then something is surely off.

  • @vstnt
    @vstnt Месяц назад

    sry for the ignorance but, does this makes my internet connection (on the pc or the client device) to be filtered through a VPN?

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  Месяц назад

      Hi. It's a good question. The best answer I can give you is this: Yes, Tailscale acts as a VPN with some added functionality.
      Does it make you anonymous, the way some other VPN providers promise? (Although that isn't really true) not by default, but you could configure an option called "exit node" in order to "blend in" with the crowd the same way those other services like NordVPN do.
      But yes, by definition, Tailscale creates a VPN in a very simple and smart way.

    • @vstnt
      @vstnt Месяц назад

      @@CloudGamingCouch but does this affects ALL of my connections in those devices? Or just the moonlight connection?

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  Месяц назад +1

      Just the moonlight connection. Tailscale will only redirect through the VPN the stuff that is sent to the listed IPs

  • @dingolt6021
    @dingolt6021 10 дней назад

    mine is saying the handshake failed and to check fowarding rules anyone got a fix?

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  10 дней назад

      Are any of your connections behind a firewall? It sounds like there are some extra hurdles in there.

    • @dingolt6021
      @dingolt6021 10 дней назад

      @@CloudGamingCouch how do i see

    • @dingolt6021
      @dingolt6021 10 дней назад

      i tried to disable the windows firewall then try and nothing

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  9 дней назад

      Tricky to know without more info. What about the regular setup : moonlight and Sunshine through the wifi without Tailscale. Does that work normally?

  • @HenriqueDRH
    @HenriqueDRH 3 месяца назад

    hey dude, i simply cannot get it to work, i followed the same steps correctly but it keeps saying: certify yourself that the nescessary ports are permitted by the firewall. what do i do?

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  3 месяца назад

      Hey. That's extremely rare to get with Tailscale. Is the message coming from Tailscale or Moonlight? Are any of your devices behind a very restrictive network? Also, does your regular moonlight/sunshine work?(without Tailscale. Just using the same WiFi)

    • @DerpyGameDe
      @DerpyGameDe Месяц назад

      @@CloudGamingCouch I am ahving the same issue, sunshine and moonlight work great on normal wifi, i have no idea how my wifi at home is set up, but with this tutorial moonlight on my phone says I need to make sure to port the listed ports. What can I do?

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  Месяц назад

      Yes. I've noticed a few people, depending on their router configuration or even Windows, have this kind of issue. It's hard to help as I can't replicate the problem on my side. One option would be to still do port forwarding anyway, which I understand is quite annoying since the idea behind the video was to avoid doing that.
      Alternatively, this reddit post lists some ideas you could try.
      www.reddit.com/r/Tailscale/comments/1bnlj2r/tailscale_with_sunshine_and_moonlightport/

  • @lucianoemanuelpereyra4320
    @lucianoemanuelpereyra4320 3 месяца назад

    How I can do this with two laptops with windows? if I could try with a windows moonlight It will give me a number ip to put it in the sunshine page

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  3 месяца назад

      Hi! It's very straightforward with two windows systems. You never need to add an ip on the sunshine page. You need a pin number generated by Moonlight. It sounds like you are slightly confused. I recommend to check my other video and just setup moonlight and sunshine. Once you have that working between your two systems, then add the Tailscale element if you need remote streaming.

    • @lucianoemanuelpereyra4320
      @lucianoemanuelpereyra4320 3 месяца назад +1

      @@CloudGamingCouch ahh okey I understand it now thx a lot for all the info!

    • @lucianoemanuelpereyra4320
      @lucianoemanuelpereyra4320 3 месяца назад +1

      my problem was to try moonlight as a parsec, using in as to play with firends, including a friend in other country, so i was searching for this solution, but as you said, first i need to do the before steps of vinculation and after that the tailscale app

  • @thegameksk
    @thegameksk 2 месяца назад

    I cant get this working with my legion go. With my phone it works on my works wifi and from my job. My legion go it keeps saying pc status offline. From my wifi the legion go works and from my house of if I turn my phone into a wifi hot spot it works. When I use my work wifi or even my phone as a wifi hotspot when I am at my job it says pc status offline.

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  2 месяца назад

      That totally sounds like a security setting. The Legion go uses Windows, right? And your phone is either android or ios. The only difference between them is the OS.

    • @thegameksk
      @thegameksk Месяц назад

      Yes the go is windows and my phone is android​@@CloudGamingCouch

    • @thegameksk
      @thegameksk Месяц назад

      Yes the legion is windows and my phone is android​@CloudGamingCouch

    • @thegameksk
      @thegameksk Месяц назад

      Yes legion uses windows and my phone is an android. Security setting in my legion or pc? Where do I fine it to change it?

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  Месяц назад

      Sorry, not really sure, but it's my only explanation for one working and not the other. I don't own a Legion Go so it's very hard for me to tell.

  • @danangadi7504
    @danangadi7504 Месяц назад

    Do i need fast internet connection to stream from my phone?

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  Месяц назад

      well, obviously the faster the better. I got it working quite well with my 5G connection. I think it's worth trying. It's only one added step over the regular Moonlight/Sunshine setup. If it doesn't hold well for you, you can always go back to wifi.

  • @gabrielcorso
    @gabrielcorso 2 месяца назад

    ​Hello there my friend. I need some help over here if you can. On my first time trying to access the desktop from really far away it is not working at all.. I am using Tailscale as the VPN service and it seems my desktop is being listed offline even that it was seen online till yesterday 23:30..
    Any ideas on how to solve this? Or what could be the problems?

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  2 месяца назад

      Hi. Maybe your desktop is hibernating? Have you tried the option "wake on lan" from moonlight on the "sleeping" system? This has happened to me in the past and it comes back in a few seconds

    • @gabrielcorso
      @gabrielcorso 2 месяца назад

      @@CloudGamingCouch didn’t want to use wake on lan due to the lack of security.. can I set it through Tailscale without compromising security?
      I’m also using a smart plug to be able to turn pc on and off with Alexa.. so it shouldn’t be hibernating, right?

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  2 месяца назад

      Yes, it shouldn't but it also depends on your Windows settings. Also I believe that wake on lan shouldn't compromise your security if your system is already on. It's just a small nudge on Windows to wake it up.
      It's hard to help from here with custom solutions such as yours. I hope you get it to work!

    • @gabrielcorso
      @gabrielcorso 2 месяца назад

      @@CloudGamingCouch I’ll probably gave to go back and set it all again..
      Do you have any tutorials on how to use wake on lan with Tailscale or smth? I don’t really now a low on this matter..

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  2 месяца назад +1

      Wake on lan is an option in moonlight. Right click your supposedly offline system and select wake on lan. If your system is hibernating it should come back in seconds. No need for extra setup by default.

  • @ahmedtalha6618
    @ahmedtalha6618 2 месяца назад

    When i use it or any other vpn it give me poor connection and high latency.why? Even My network speed i good

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  2 месяца назад

      Hi there. As usual it's hard to evaluate from here. Does your streaming work well when you only use Moonlight and Sunshine without Tailscale? If the answer is yes, then I would try using Tailscale but testing on a really low resolution and frame rate on Moonlight, just to see if you get an stable connection.

    • @ahmedtalha6618
      @ahmedtalha6618 2 месяца назад

      @@CloudGamingCouch ok i will try

  • @Albert-SC08
    @Albert-SC08 25 дней назад

    Hi, is this safe or do I need to use a vpn ?. Do I need to disable upnp if I'm using TailScale ?

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  25 дней назад +1

      Hi. Tailscale IS a VPN, just not one like those that promise to hide your external ip (which is also debatable). As for whether it's safe, I replied a couple of weeks ago to @austinpohjola about this exact matter. He asked exactly about the same thing on this very same video, so check that as I gave him a long reply. Bottom line, it's rather safe...but less so than a local network.
      Regarding the upnp, in theory, you don't need it. If you are behind a restrictive network, it might help with the latency, but personally... I wouldn't enable it anyway because that IS a bigger security hazard.
      I hope this helps. Thanks for watching!

    • @awadhiyarishi
      @awadhiyarishi 25 дней назад +1

      And what about nord vpn messnetwork

    • @awadhiyarishi
      @awadhiyarishi 25 дней назад

      ??

    • @CloudGamingCouch
      @CloudGamingCouch  25 дней назад

      Hi. NordVPN have indeed jumped onto the same bandwagon with their meshnet solution. It's pretty much the same thing. Some people prefer one or the other. Some people in the channel have confirmed they had issues with Tailscale and Meshnet worked for them, but many others are using Tailscale happily. I guess it's a matter of taste and what your router's configurations works better with.

    • @Albert-SC08
      @Albert-SC08 24 дня назад

      @@CloudGamingCouch Thanks 👍. Another question, after installing it do I need to use TailScale even when connecting in the same network or only when using different ones ?.