What is WRONG with my Dirt Bike?? Clutch Drag 101
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Over the years I've had a lot of questions from newer riders about their clutches. Many don't understand clutch drag and think that there is something wrong with their clutch because it drags and doesn't fully remove all the power from the rear wheel.
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PRO TIP: Before starting your motorcycle when it's cold, put it in gear, hold the clutch lever all the way in, and manually push the bike one meter forward and backward to unstick the clutch plates. Then, shift it into neutral and start the engine. Shifting into first gear becomes much smoother after following this procedure.
I'm 42 yrs old. Been ridin along time. Never would have thought of this, but I tried it and you're 100% right. Great tip.
I do it after winter
I’ve heard of this but forgot! You’re totally right great tip.
Ill give it a try, thanks for your advice!
What a great tip. Thank you!
This is the kind of content that got me watching Kyle's channel years ago. The "how to," the instructional and informational content. Kyle's library has a ton of this type of content he's put out over the years. I also appreciate the product and bike reviews. All good stuff!
Dude, perfect timing. I was just messing with my bike yesterday and I noticed this for the first time. I thought my clutch lever adjustment was all outta whack lol
Damn you put my mind at ease. I thought I messed my bike up after changing my clutch lever. I think I was just hypersensitive to the drag after changing the lever cause I was testing its function.
I found this format of video quite refreshing. Definitely produce more content in this style!
Cool vid Kyle. Shop is slowly but surely coming together nicely.
Perfect explanation of one my questions to you. Thanks, you do provide a awesome services for this community, keep up the good work.
OK, now my mind is at ease. Picked up a Beta 300 2T trials bike recently and thought the clutch was buggered as it drags a bit when the clutch is in. Thanks for the great content.
Pretty new to bikes a really appreciate content like this! Making things a lot more comfortable! My mind always goes worst case scenario anytime I think something could be wrong with the bike
Great video Kyle. By doing these types of videos you can get more content out and that's cool.
Great idea for sure because alot of his content overlaps
New to dirt bikes. Been scratching my head for a couple of days. Thank you. Now to properly adjust.
Love these videos!
Fluid drag (try a bike with a dry clutch and it wont do it)..... but a clutch dragging badly can be a sign of a notched basket, not allowing the clutch plates to release properly.
Yeah my bike drags with no oil in the clutch and gearbox side. The clutch basket looks slightly notched. Reckon it’s time to buy new clutch plates and file the basket?
I like the tech vid, very informative. Do a few while wrenching on your bike too, + the rides. Keeps us interested with updates. You already doing the work. Raw edited if it keeps you sane.
great video!!! i was concerned about this and all the things you were talking about has put my mind at ease now, thanks
Thanks for this! I was worried for a sec!
Thank you for sharing the information. Helped me out for sure
Another great video bud , thanks
With yours moves like mine when on the stand but when i have it on the ground and do it it jumps forward and stalls yours dont really jump forward at all so this doesnt apply to me
Man those bikes are absolutely gorgeous, both the ktm & TM are just badass give away bikes and anyone who wins them will just simply be blessed to have either of em! Obviously the TM would be my pick if I had to choose just due to the rarity of it but nonetheless I'd be happy with whatever. Really love what your doing here tho with the platform you've created for yourself, it's amazing and just goes to show how easy it is to just simply spread the kindness one may have. That Said Thank You for all your doing and hopefully one day I'll be a winner of one of your bikes🤞🤷♂️ lol. In reality tho I hope to one day be able to get to where your at in life and spread kindness in similar ways!!
Like the format
Love the videos 😊
Thanks Ricky!
Nice one 👍
Amazing video mate .. I really didn’t know weather to get my bike looked at .. I have a 2023 350 SXF and every time I stall it on the MX track it’s really hard to start is there anything else it could be as on my 23 250
SXF I never have a problem restarting in gear or anything else I can adjust myself to help it along bikes only done 12 hours .. thanks and keep up the amazing work you really help
I bought a used crf450l with 100miles on it, after about 500 miles I noticed clutch drag and thought something was wrong. Thanks for the clarification
Your podcast and videos are awesome....keep up the good work.
Was wondering what you think about the Beta xtrainer 300, im thinking of getting a 2023. Been riding the wrong bike for years, 450 mx bikes for trails, tired of getting beat up.
good info, thanks
Thank you so much.
is it normal that while the bike is off (also so can hear it better) and it is in gear with the clutch pulled in that it makes a click sound at first when rolling the bike forward or backward? Also seems like there is still some resistance when spinning the rear wheel with it off of the ground, with the clutch pulled in while in gear?
I don't get clutch drag on the 300 tpi anymore, I now use Bellray 80W Gear saver in the sump and its perfect hot or cold !!
I have 2017 KTM 450 SXF. Has been sat unused for a year with monthly engine starts. Got an all balls clutch slave kit and found o ring on piston damaged. Replaced with the kit and bled the system. Now the clutch BITE is near the handle bar. Rode the bike up and down the street but still same. Any ideas?
I really appreciated this video! My fiancé has a 98 rm 125, and I fully rebuilt the whole bike, without replacing the clutch. On the third heat cycle of breaking it in, when the clutch was in the bike moved in gear on the ground. I filed grooves in the basket and on the stand the wheel still moved. I did not test it on the ground again. If that happens again, what should I be looking into? The grooves are taken care of and the plates are in good condition.
appreciate you for this. I thought something was wrong with my clutch. I used to use maxima 80wt for my xc300 tpi tranny oil now I moved to 85wt, I burnt my clutch at 35hrs. Do any of you think clutch dragging could be the reason my clutch burnt ?
cleanup/soda blast the steels, i run less torque on the inner hub nut.. also drill more holes in the inner hub to promote more lube into pack.. measure your clutch pack stack/height too make sure you're not past spec making a bigger clutch pack in ther, run some washers on the clutch spring bolts for less clutch finger pull too/if that's a prob!
I have a ktm sxf 250 cc 4 stroke 2011 model it has a race tech engine and when reving it up it starts to die off power and bit splutterly the idle is on the choke I’ve set it to run low do u think if I turn it up a bit could that help
My 22 300XCW drags so much that it won’t idle in gear with the clutch in without stalling 🤷🏻♂️
How to know that the clutch drag is minimum and normal? Is there any measuring technique?
What if my bike stalls when the clutch is pulled in?
1. check the oil level 2. Put recommended oil type in 3. With the bike off pull the clutch in with it in gear and spin the back tire. 4. Maybe check Idle if it is too low
@@NoPro-dm8xj thank you, replaced clutch plates and running better quality oil. Seems to help
@@torariders313 i have the same problem, did replacing the plates fully fix it??
@@dutchwindmillsvids hey mate. So 9/10 I’d say your clutch basket is worn. You can get a new one or file the old one down so the plates don’t get caught. I filed them down and it helped.
If you haven’t ridden your bike for a while too, you’ll need to work oil back into the clutch pack or pull the plates out and re-soak the plates for them to slip properly when disengaged.
I have a rmx450 has clutch drag but when it goes into gear it revs up high and really pushes back wheel badly with clutch in and then as soon as it goes back to neutral the revs go back down to idle any ideas on why that is
I’ve got a husky 2015 fc250 clutch dragging a hair but what about not being able to hit neutral coming to a stop unless it’s fully off
Both amazing bikes
I have a 2023 yz 250X and the power valve vent hose drips oil from it.. is that normal.?
What pressure do u run on trail with the tubeliss
When I put my 2018wr250 into gear it stalls out unless you rev it, on flat ground in first gear it also moves with the clutch fully pulled in.
Any quick fixes or do I need to replace the clutch?
it also is caused by the fluids, clutch drag works off the same principals that a tesla turbine works
I have an unusual problem in that my clutch cover will get so hot I can’t keep my boot next to it. I ride a 22 Husky te 300 and I’ve gone through 2 clutches and replaced my crank seal 2x. I do y think I’m riding the clutch so I’m really lost as to the problem
Even with my first dirt bike at age 12, I thought it was normal when the wheel spun like that.
Man those bikes are sweet! For some reason I've never worried too much on clutch drag, but I have heard it from others. Great video!
You could also have grooves in your clutch basket it hold the plates in place, preventing the clutch from disengaging
Will this happen when in neutral?
Anecdotally, I noticed on my '21 Husq TE300i that the drag was significantly worse if the oil was over-filled even a small amount so I'm more careful not to do that anymore.
Very helpful for a new rider! Love this type of video!!!
is it possible that there is a reasonable amount of clutch drag and an unreasonable amount? I never used to notice this when loading my bike onto hitch carrier but ever since my buddy crashed my brand new TBI pro, bending the clutch lever, I suddenly notice it being way harder to push around while in gear. I also recently changed the gear oil so I dont know if that is adding to the problem. anyways I never used to notice this when pushing bike around but now it is literally 5 times harder to push around compared to it being in neutral and sometimes it doesn't want to click down into 1st as well.... I dunno it bothers me that it wasn't like that before and I never noticed it but maybe im just tripping lol also I should mention my clutch lever seems to have almost no free play. I cant seem to find a spec in the manual for this how much freeplay is normal?
My clutch drag is so bad my bike stalls when I select first gear unless I rev it pretty hard in neutral. What should I check?
Check
1. clutch lever free play
2. Clutch basket thrust washers for wear ( this is super important)
3. Clutch nut torque spec
4. Oil level
this video is very informative but my issue is when i put the bike in gear it just goes at full speed. the last time all i did was put it in gear from neutral and it did a wheelie and kept going and i crashed
im relieved
haha! glad to set your mind at ease
i cant even put in gear , it stalls right away ,when holding clutch. it was all okay yesterday, it started after oil change
I had the same issue. 4hrs in on my te300. It's all good now when in gear.
1. check the oil level 2. Put recommended oil type in 3. With the bike off pull the clutch in with it in gear and spin the back tire. 4. Maybe check Idle if it is too low
Hey have you ever experienced on your dirt bike that when you're traveling at any speed and in gear but when I pull in the clutch to come to a stop the dirt bike stalls. I can't figure it out.
I literally came to the comments for a similar issue, hadn’t started my ktm for a few weeks, started it up, went to put it in gear and kept stalling. I didn’t have time to let it get real hor or have a look I’m hoping someone can answer this question
i have a 2012 honda crf 250r and everytime i put it in first it moves by it’s self with the clutch engaged and when i stop it stalls does anybody know what’s weong?
What type of gear oil should I use in a kx 85
What about if a bike has excessive clutch drag. Like when you are on the bike and it starts to move fairly quickly and you need to use the brake or neutral to stop
you mean with the manual clutch lever held in right? simple answer is the clutch cable needs the slack taken out of it for the proper lever freeplay. but if that's not the issue... the oil could be too thick. the clutch is worn too far for the cable adjustment to make up for it. the clutch basket sides are worn out so the plates don't want to move due to the notches in the basket. sometimes the internal linkages wear down and loose travel of motion to move the clutch. could also be too thick of clutch plates or discs for another model bike.
No my bike drags so bad it kills my bike when I put it in gear. Brand new bike with 20 hours on it
I understand clutch drag is normal but what if when i pull in the clutch the bike will roll forward unless i hold the brake. This is to much drag or is the clutch is not fully engaged? How do i adjust this?
That is too much drag. Typically the weight of the bike should be sufficient to stop the wheel from spinning. Check for clutch free play at the lever. And check for thrust washers in clutch basket. They can wear out so much that when the clutch nut is tightened, it can bind and drag as soon as you get out of neutral.
atf / dextron helps with that.
When I ask what is wrong with my dirt bike, it’s usually the guy riding it.
100% agree!
What are the chances this would make shifting into neutral difficult?
I have a crf250r 2023 and the clutch drag is so bad that I can’t even put it in neutral, any advice?
How did u solve this problem. I have the same with my ktm sxf 250 2018
@@tom9177 I bought a Hinson clutch and springs
@@LuisHernandez-vk3cq ok tnx for your reply
ya keep it up
Will do!
Bikes that do not shift like a PW50 do the same thing but that tire spins much faster.
My Husky stalls out when I kick it in to first with the clutch all the way in. Idk?!
So sorry to hear about your divorce. Praying for you and your family brother.
He didn't say that did he?
Where did you hear that?
@@kosmoman54 i think it’s in his new shop tour video
@@Troygehring ruclips.net/video/Og3EuS93O8k/видео.html @3:50 in that video.
@@hesutton thanks, bummer for Kyle
Hey man do you sell any dirtbikes?
My yamaha, won't even move while it's in gear and off. With clutch pulled all the way in. Also, while it's on a stand not in gear the wheel really spins.
Wish my tire could spin. Pullin on the clutch in gear but the wheel wont spin...
Wrong my new KX250X has no clutch drag it's crazy I pull the clutch in and it's free wheeling.
See mine does the same but if i hit the brake like that it stalls the bike
The clutch drag gets worse when the plates warp
hell yeah I was trippin
Mine stalls when I put it in first
BUT IT SHOULDN'T STALL THE BIKE WHEN STILL AND IN GEAR WITH CLUTCH ALL THE WAY IN RIGHT ?
correct, it should stay running.
1. check the oil level 2. Put recommended oil type in 3. With the bike off pull the clutch in with it in gear and spin the back tire. 4. Maybe check Idle if it is too low
@@NoPro-dm8xj thankyou man. I run 85wt as in manual says. People experiencing same clutch drag they say to change to thinner oil but I found another video said to change the clutch spring retainer settings to 1 instead of 2 as stock so it’ll have less pressure on the plates. The video is very ez to find and theres only 1. Just type ktm wet clutch drag or something like that it will come out
@@homiequan681 np, yes that’s a great mention on the pressure plate setting.
I like the new shirt dirt bike and the American flag, and the TM is awesome hope i win it.
Yeah, I have it in a couple of colors.
if your clutch is really draging your clutch basket is gone
@2:44 Less viscous, not more viscous, more is thicker.
There’s a fix for that problem. You take the gas cap off of the offending bike, KTM/Husky/Sherco etc. then slip a new Beta 390 RR Race Edition underneath the gas cap then re-attach it and all will be well. 👍🏼
you’re welcome😂
The Japanese bikes are a lot better for not having clutch drag those KTMs Husqvarna etc have so much clutch drag you can't back them up in the woods when they're running and gear
yo my b-day is june
What did so many ypung people do growing up? So many now have zeo mechanical, hydraulic or electric knowledge.
But they can play a make believe video, computer game.
Whete have all the men gone to?
just get a sherco they always start no matter what lol
✌😀
My Yamaha 95% of the time dose not start in gear
Most bikes don't like to start in gear. Especially the modern high performance 4 strokes.
@@DirtBikeChannel good to know I have a 2003 Yamaha wr250f and it’s just kind of annoying putting it in N every time it stalls
this video is unnecessarily long. he keeps saying "because its friction. its normal. because its friction. its normal. because its friction. its normal". i will give you extra info instead.
the yamaha has a mechanism that wont start the engine when it is in gear. its not issue of clutch drag but a safety feature.
the reason why i came here is because my motorcycle wont go in neutral because of that clutch drag. so theres different level of severity of this clutch drag.
Just got this guys email.. I dont watch the channel all the time, but like the channel and love dirt bikes and off roading. So I enter your contest but cant win a bike cuz i dont watch all the time and cant answer your questions.. Winning a dirtbike could help someone get into the sport easier, or start a passion for it. But it seems like only hardcore fans have chance. Unsub'd.
my bike dies when i put it in gear unless i give it some revs, once the clutch warms up it doesn't do it
How did u solve this problem?
@@tom9177I wonder as well. My bike stalls when I put it in gear.
My KTM 520 dirt bike has insane drag. When I hold the clutch and shift into first it dies if I don't rev it up when it's cold. Is that normal?
Yeah, it's pretty normal when the bike is cold.
My husqvarna that I bought used was doing that, I fiddled with the clutch, and it made no difference, but then I changed the oil, and it stopped stalling when shifting to 1st, try an oil change, and possibly bleed or rebuild clutch cylinders. It may help or completely solve the issue.
MMKnight, on a bike that old it’s very possible that your clutch basket and inner hub are notched and worn out. I helped a buddy replace his inner hub, clutch basket and plates and it made a huge difference.