Former Chinese senior colonel: War in Ukraine 'has nothing to do with China' | DW Interview
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- Опубликовано: 18 фев 2023
- Former Chinese Senior Military Colonel Zhou Bo told DW's Richard Walker at this year's MSC that although the war in Ukraine was "not in China's interest," it also was not an issue Beijing could solve. "War in the heart of Europe has nothing to do with China," he said. "This war is not in China's interest. If it would stop immediately, we would be very happy." Zhou added that it was wrong for Western politicians to blame Russian President Vladimir Putin for the invasion of Ukraine, saying that Russia "took this action because of NATO expansion and Russian leaders have been talking about this since the Soviet time." He also said that since China and Russia share a long border, it was in both countries' interests to ensure they had a "good and stable" relationship.
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This has to be one of the best level-playing field interviews I've seen, both interviewer and interviewee, have precise questions and answers with deep knowledge of the subject matter, and what a treat to see no interruptions, cutting off in mid-sentence, changing the subject etc, I get the feeling both enjoyed this interview as much as we enjoyed watching it.
Never mind USSR or Russia created the fear in its neighbors of spies and compromised officials... the interview was shallow at best.
I was about to say very similar but you said it better than I would have.
DW news.
America is the only country which want to start the war and keep the war in Europe! Without war America will go bankrupt! Sadly European politicians and major medias never talk about it and challenge it! I am just wondering if Europe is another state of America????
One more thing. Russian war has much to do with China. Without China's backing Russians never ever had begun that.
This is a great reporter. He raised questions and did not disrupt the interviewee and waited for the response before asking a follow up question. Why can't reporters all do it? Those so-called reporters seem to just raise questions for the sake of making a posture.
agree!
Excellent interview. These seem like two adults capable of a serious earnest talk.
He needs/deserves a significant increase in exposure.
Very true
good point
It's nice to see an "old-fashioned" interview that follows diplomatic rules. No aggressive wolf warrior muscle flexing on the one hand, no aggressive rhetoric on the other. Diplomacy is not easy and rarely direct. But you can learn from both sides of a respectful interview if you listen to it critically and with distance.
Diversity of perspectives, not groupthinks
I’m pleasantly surprised at the wildly informative and clear interview. The Chinese gentleman makes a good statesman for his country and represents it well.
Land of earth was created 4.5 BILLION years ago. It was Not created by any humans. Since humans did Not create land, therefore, humans has No right to murder others over land. This is something that Russia and China needs to understand when it comes to the word soverengty. That these communists continue to use this word over and over again to justify murder. Since no one created land on earth, no one has the right to murder over it.
Indeed
There is too much diplomacy. China does not follow protocols, probably most don't anywhere in the world but we are in a serious crisis with them and asking diplomatic questions and getting diplomatic answers is a game of underhanded gibbirish. What are we learning? I learn that they don't want to take responsibility or admit anything. Not if it puts them in a vulnerable situation and it's understandable. But since they have proved over and over again blatant dishonesty.
Zhou Bo.
I have never seen such an outspoken representative from China.
Loud & Clear & Precise!
Why people always say "Never seen", because the normal voices were blocked. The daily conversation at the street corner will never be shown to the west, those are defined as Chinese threats.
never seen such an outspoken representative from US ( in mandarin )
there are plenty. it's just that you by chance got exposed to one that somehow is well-spoken in English. China wouldn't be where they are without exceptional men and women.
Only that he is not a former colonel, he was a Deputy Secretary-General
@@carkod that was not the point, no western representative responded in chinese media with fluent mandarin, that was the point.
This is one of the best interviews I've seen in years. Open and honest, direct but respectful, and no sense of either side fighting for time or position.
I agree. This is good to go. I mean, I agree and understand why he says what he says.
This man is a excellent speaker!!! This interview should be distributed more widely
Total double talk from China. China is hedging its bets because it wants to invade Taiwan. Mainland China has NEVER had control of Formosa. Taiwan has never been part of China. This is not about reunification. How can you reunify something that was never united? Totalitarian states like China and Russia cannot tolerate liberal democracies living in freedom and prosperity nearby as it might give their own citizens ideas.
@@teabag1680 It is all double talk. He sounds reasonable but he is still talking the aggressive Chinese rhetoric. You can't reunify something that was never united. China NEVER controlled the island of Formosa where Taiwan is located. Totalitarian countries simply don't tolerate successful democratic neighbors living in peace and prosperity. It gives their own citizens ideas about how much better their lives would be if not ruled by corrupt tyrants.
“Open and honest” - he clearly lies when he claims it’s not in their interest while on the other end they just increased business with Russia, started investing in new pipelines and are supplying critical components for Russian military equipment
This is the best exposition of the Chinese government's view on these topics which I've seen in years. Thank you DW, excellent work.
so true. I am completely amazed by the interview
read the history and learn not trust to china
Would have liked a question about the South China Sea and an other one about Tibet.
He does not necessarily represent the Chinese government, he is not the spokes person of CN, mind you. So it's not necessarily CN gov official stance--his comment on the possible result of war is purely his own.
noooo not really, once you read the very first sentence its pretty clear that no this has no representation at all of what china leadership is thinking "FORMER chinese colonel" the key word being former.
I will never understand why people do not seem to understand that when you drag out former leaders they have no representation at all of what the current thoughts are. Could you imagine interviewing president trump about the current direction that the usa government is going? Of course he will have a radically different take than current leadership. You can NEVER accept words on policy from ousted leadership as being of any particular value. Especially in political matters.
No sensationalism, just mutual respect, clear questions, clear answers. This is an awesome interview
he is being dishonest though Ukraine has never had a positive history with Russia this is nothing new
Master class in interviewing. This should be shown in Journalism classes. Well done Richard Walker.
Well said Zhou Bo. Your answers should be clear enough for anyone who ask the same questions again & again.
I do long-form interviews. This was a masterclass for me. This is the kind of journalism people crave, as all are better informed as a result. Knowledgeable, gave fresh perspective, concise following-up and clarifying questions (a sign of great listening), both knowledgeable, detached yet empathetic. Didn’t sense any kind of agenda here. This is what you get when you seek mutual understanding in lieu of pushing an agenda. Excellent!
😂😂😂😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Exactly
Very good 👍
Because he is knowledgeable, wise man. Not like most politicians who are dumb these days.
Great comment as well
Brilliant. A highly-articulate representative of China presenting a clear argument about their position. We may not *like* the position, but it is wonderful to be able to hear it argued coherently and without interruption. Kudos to the interviewer - and, of course, the interviewee.
After all, this conflict is an exclusively Russia vs the West thing with Ukraine as a proxy. Something not seen since WW2 and the Cold War.
Non-Western nations like China has been saying that this is not in their interests to meddle.
"A clear argument" - but refusing to say anything clear, unless its criticism of the US.
It's all just meaningless babble.
@@gast1981 you are a typical Westerner...when thing's aren't going your way then it's meaningless lol
And he was very clear in serving his country's interest..it's just you don't have that much sense to figure that out.
You guys are doomed
@@gast1981 I think you just didn't hear the answer you want to hear.
@@gast1981 This how politics work, if you watch some of our own politicians' interviews they'll be strikingly similar if not worse. Because we are the most powerful nation on Earth we do not need to be careful of our wordage, but you could understand how for countries like China not answering the question directly is sometimes beneficial.
This was a great interview, both sides stayed calm. Both were nice and honest.
This reporter is Top Level. The questions and follow up questions are excellent!!
They're hypocrites/spies they do not question their countries politicians with such developing questions
It's because he is not a reporter hahaha
Unlike any of our American reporters.
@@AG-un7dz слава Украине!
I'm not sure I agree - He should have pushed back on the NATO expansion reason for Russia attacking. Ukraine confirmed it would not join NATO and relinquished having their own nukes and they still invaded. Also - it is anyone's right to join NATO - Nations have the right to defend themselves in anyway they see fit - as long as they're not attacking another.
Impressive. He said all that with a straight face.
he smoked that shet
As a Chinese, I feel sorry to the world especially to the Ukrainian that we have such officials. I feel embarrassed to the doubt standards of them.
PLA officers were trained to be like that.
@@vincentchen1480 as a Chinese I feel embarrass to you
@@vincentchen1480
It's important for 华人 to be the most vocal advocates against the CCP.
As a Chinese man, Mr Zhou Bo articulates our way of thinking and considerations perfectly.
@@jw9651 Interested? Interested in war and blood? No thanks. This is anglo saxon thinking, not Chinese. We are civilised people believe in reasoning and logic. We only need to fend off the intruders and get on with our lives. And to you, we have a saying goes: Do unto others, do not impose on others.
@@gentoffireThere will be massive amounts of bloodshed when it comes to Taiwan. I’m curious how China will “do, rather than impose” when invading and absorbing Taiwan. I’m sure there are some mental gymnastics involved in explaining why Taiwan isn’t sovereign land while Ukraine is.
To be clear, I’m not claiming you personally think this. I’m talking about the Chinese government’s official stance on Taiwan.
@@joshisnot11 You can find the official stand clearly stated on all the Gov website.
Rest of the world are sick and tired of US toxicity. Let this be clear.
This man is very well educated and speaks eloquently, he also practice the art of war quite well. He doesn’t boast of their power, making the enemy feel comfortable until they are ready to strike.
Yeah, as an American, I would respect China a lot more if they just spoke freely.
@@kylejohnson6070 你说到我的心中之痛了
@@chalkmont-ou5ks sorry, can’t read that. And it won’t let me translate.
@@kylejohnson6070they’re agreeing with you
@@kylejohnson6070 translation: you’re speaking the pain in my heart (“you get me”)
Man. This man is 200IQ. The journalist asked some questions that were basically hidden accusations but he calmly unfolded the questions and replied objectively.
Or he was ready with answers to questions he was expecting to hear and guided what was asked to those prepared responses.
BTW, i wasn't trying to suggest he's not a VERY intelligent man (far surpassing myself), only that I think he could be expected to know these questions were coming.
He's a good politician defending the political stance he was told to defend. He does a good job explaining and defending it in the face of western criticism, while also laying out some of his own perspective and analysis of the situation.
@dashi qiang Definitely he's an impressive man with a deft mind. Not to be difficult and contradictory, but none of those questions seemed surprising to me given current events and while I don't know Chinese protocol, if he's speaking as a representative of China, he was possibly even briefed.
@dashi qiang Honestly I was surprised he referred to it as a "war". I thought the official Chinese stance was maintaining that it was a "special military operation".
One of the best interviews I've ever seen. He's definitely an experienced politician, doesn't quite give out enough while answering the questions.
He said everything, what more do you want him to say? He is not considered to have answered the questions if he didn't use the Western-sanctioned words?
@@dancerinmaya6813 whoa, slow down, don't get your blood pressure up on account of my opinion. He answered the questions well enough if you read my comment. He could've said more about how China views the US and Russia differently other than they're next to us and the other isn't. Plenty more HE can detail since he is no longer serving as Senior Colonel. Nothing wrong with how he answered... So no reason for you to get worked up about it. Thank you, have a nice day
@@dancerinmaya6813 He turned the questions around.
I agree, Manuel. He was quite impressive.
@@cyang2000ify ah you're probably right. You have a point. Because he did really well answering the questions so that probably explains a lot.
In my opinion, his line of questioning is designed to answer the audience's doubts, he opens the door to meaningful information and quality content reflected on how careful he was to ask proper questions to be respectful with the interviewee and the viewers, in short, he is what a real reporter is supposed to be. Most of the interviewers are just looking for the scandal line to scale up the ratings. Great job!
😂 DW is paying for positive comments, look how robotic this comment is
Interviewer job is for the viewers and not to throw soft blow to interviewed.
It's not soft ball or scandal u can/should push back with reason if u can.
@@rushyscoper1651 No. The interviewer's job is to provide useable, true information to the viewer. Your description is that of an entertainer, and that is the problem with mainstream journalism. It's attempting to be entertainment because that sells.
@@canto_v12 u get true information by not being soft.
u should challenge him with good questions if his answer didn't make sense for u.
if anything what u saying is an entertainment, that how all entertainment kinda interview, because they want other celeb to come to their show not fearing a lot of push back
@@rushyscoper1651 I still think the interviewer provided good challenging questions. Not really soft at all.
Fascinating interview. All the right questions put to this most level headed Chinese official who explained where the Chinese stood in relation to the war and the future relationship with the USA. Thank you.
An excellent interview by both the reporter and the Chinese delegate.
It was very informative, balanced, respectful and gave the Chinese point of view rationally and logically.
Lets hope that more senior figures from all sides can have a similar approach.
I feel like this is how news used to be before social media. It's so much more informative, and gives lots of food for thought, without trying to trigger the viewers. Excellent delivery of information, valuable perspective. True professionals.
Really! Logical! What is logical with invading another country. Isn't that the reason we have a U.N. to deal with disputes. China illegally claimed the sea and islands (9-dash line) in the South China sea (also called the West Philippine Sea) even after being ruled illegal by The Hague world tribunal court. They are sympathetic to Russia because they do not want to contradict themselves in claiming the South China sea and it's plan to invade Taiwan. Wake up dude!
While the caption to the video says that the name of the Chinese military officer is Zhou Bo, at the beginning of the video it sure sounded like DW's correspondent called him "Joe Bull" which was much more fitting in regards to what he had to say, cuz he was clearly full of it.
Much more constructive than this wolf warrior dimplomacy they are showing in recent times
NATO expansion was mentioned in first few minutes lmao please. Chinese lie more than Putin. You don't attack a country. The entire country at least over trouble that Putin instigated. The Russian s were caught in a false flag bombing in that helped Putin get elected
Great interview respect on both sides led to a much better dialogue and understanding 👍
He's a fascist liar.
@@loc1k always best to look at people’s actions and not their words. I’ve also seen similar interviews with Putin and now look what has happened. I think overall the interview was positive and one that deescalated conflict rather than excite one. Let’s see what the peace proposal is from China before we judge.
thank you for airing the whole unedited interview and asking the direct and tough questions
As an American, this sounded like an incredibly reasonable conversation. I heard nothing coming from this man that sounded offensive or “evil”. He sounds like a respectful and proud Chinese man .
The attitude of the Chinese has always been very clear, which is to cease fire and stop the war and then negotiate, but the problem is that the United States would rather use taxpayers’ money to continue to support Ukraine’s war than to use the tax money to improve the precarious economy of the United States and the difficult life of American people.
as an american it is eerily strange to see another american say they understand this topic. most can’t wrap their heads around the concept of nato expansion being the trigger for the war, even though they know about Gitmo and Cuban Missile Crisis
Don't ever forget what Xi had to do to his political opponents to become a new Mao. Posibly half of them dissapperead from this world. How can you forget "0 covid" policy when people been starved to death becasue couldn't go out to get food. I will never forget Tienanmen's student massacre.
The guy is a diplomat talking rounded and well chosen words. Basically he expressed Chinese strategy "a tiger on the hill watching two elephants fighting". In reality it's Sun Tzu teaching they want to encircle US so the the military confrontation won't make any sense. Imagine if China convince Putin to satlle and could guarantee a peace with Ukriane. They would gain a lot of control in Europe and the most european powers would be very happy. China plays the long game so that you'll miss the moment when you realize you lost. Therfore I guess US is provokative as long as they have military superiority over China.
@@dl8935 Well US govt. knows it is a the largest global consumer. SO, it is waging war to make profit out of it. Beside American people love war. American media shows and represent everything in such a way as if China and Russia are ready to invade USA at any moment.
@@dl8935 The West actually put intense pressure on Ukraine to negotiate and give up territory back in the mid-'10s when Ukraine would've preferred not to. The US government is not the driving force behind this war. Neither is the military-industrial complex, although they're happy to take advantage of the situation to boost sales and rake in gobs of money. The US isn't the center of the geopolitical Universe, believe or not. Far from it.
Also, the US is not neglecting its people because it wants to support Ukraine. It has plenty of money to do both and would have even more if it decided to actually tax all of its citizens. Unfortunately, there isn't sufficient political will to do this (for a number of reasons, most of them involving campaign finance) nor is there to invest in and improve the lives of ordinary citizens. Every attempt is blocked.
Impressive this chinese colonel not only speaks and expresses in perfect english, but is well versed in understanding of present and historical geo politics.
Spot the Chinese bot
@@yevgeny7825 nah Chinese, there is this exceptionally generic self masturbatory style of comment that screams CCP insecurity.
dude has an MA at the London School of Economics
He's a fascist liar.
@@Beauloqs not possible for a foreigner to speak without sn sccent
Richard Walker conducts some of the best live TV interviews. Unlike so many MSM 'big-mouths' he does not interrupt, allowing the person to express themselves fully. Such a relief to be able to listen for a change.
Professional journalist successfully documents interviewee's lies.
@@akong0824 When the CCP talks peace they will be re-arming Putin for sure.
@@robertsmuggles6871 As Trump said: Putin and Xi Jinping are (conjoined) twins.
You mean you have not noticed his bias? You think his parroting western point of view is good journalism?
America is the only country which want to start the war and keep the war in Europe! Without war America will go bankrupt! Sadly European politicians and major medias never talk about it and challenge it! I am just wondering if Europe is another state of America????
One can never overrate the importance of mutual communication. Listening to the grievances, objections and complaints of a sometimes irrationally or even mythically envisaged "Enemy" could lead to a more emapthically perceived thinking and most of all an awareness of the generally irrational albeit often through thoughtless statements provoked fears of theirs.
This could well lead us also to question our own thinking. Zhou Bo forinstance mentioned the divisive opnions even within the military establishment of USA, a career driven enterprise, if there ever was one. No body is perfect, even when some are driven more from fear than others. Fear mongering however is the bread and butter of many human beings and the ultimate driving force that galvanises the masses.
Well done. More such communication should be the order of the day.
This is a gem. Both on the interviewer and the interviewee ends. This is how you do classy, honest journalism and this is how you explain geopolitics. Countries will inevitably disagree, but the truth does not always lie on one side of history.
I loved this and I also loved the segment on Hong Kong protesters which challenged their ideologies and their use of violence.
This Chinese colonel is very sharp. Excellent interview! 👍
This is a very interesting interview. Thank you for giving Mr. Zhou Bo the time to explain China's position and view on the Ukraine and Russia situation.
I agree Sir. whist I do not agree with everything he said, I thought his very articulate responses made a lot of practical sense. If we had more from China in this manner there would be far less problems with China in my opinion.
I think you are forgetting how inherently corrupt and authoritarian China is. Also, they are currently conducting a genocide at their western most area, called Xinjiang province.
@dashiqiang I was not directing blame one way or the other. I was simply saying we need more.
@dashiqiang ah I see. Yeah the media pretty much sucks everywhere. I guess that is why we are all heaping praise on this dude for doing his job. Right?
@dashi qiang more of defending murder you mean? not really receptive, and rightly so
Finally I am hearing someone with the intelligence to understand situations and implications. Excellent speech! Thank you!
Colonel Zhou Bo is an outstanding communicater. He represents China position perfectly.
He can't represent CHINA as of now he is a retired person . If you were to watch CGTN news and CCTV etc , you'll realise there are lots of ANTI USA news being said by various ministry in CHINA shockingly
This man is a great ambassador for his people
Now a scholar on international relations, specifically military affairs
@@thisiskevin1000 I will be Closely watching this man and his wolf Warrior mindset covered up in sheep clothing He is a slick deceitful man that I will not totally trust.
Yes he is indeed a superb ambassador for China.
One of THE Best live interview I’ve ever heard.
Both the sides didn’t hold up in speaking their mind, certainly not the reporter, even the Chinese diplomat answered so masterfully.
Watching this chinese propagandist babble on about his concern for humanity is laughable and absurd. If he has such a concern for humanity then maybe he should be focus on his own country's treatment of the Uyghurs.
@@alexandercampbell0001 Hah, have you been to Xinjiang, now that China is open to foreign visitors, to verify your beliefs. Also go visit Tibet while you at it.
@@mapletibits6372 opinions are based on travels. So stop with the 50 cent comments. Same excuses for 10 years 🤮
Why are Indians praising Chinese military. Ffs every word he says is rehearsed like a bad salesman. Why are people such terrible judges? Or do I have a gift. If I lived in las Vegas I'd clean up at poker. What a Chinese. What a liar
@@mapletibits6372 Tibet that China occupies . Was that supposed to be humour. Clever if it was. You been to tianamen square? When civil rights protesters were mowed down by the same system except more dangerous now. Bill Clinton let them into WTO. Clown
Great interview and an even better response. Zhou answers addressed the questions very well, was informative and brought up many great valid points. Very impressive.
Yes, Zhou ansers so well and lies so naturally. China sends airfighters to harrass Taiwan's air space every day particularly after the start of the War in Ukrain. What is this daily action for? Also comunist China was born from Soviet Union. Don't you know a common phrase used to refer to Russia in China, "Dadddy Russia." Without Russia, there is no communist China.
@@tomwang3510 And when did Zhou lie about China not sending air over Taiwan's air space?
What does China and the USSR being communist have anything to do with what I stated at all?
Overall, your response is one big FAIL!!! But nice try at not providing any evidence of his alleged lies.
The reality is people are people. Different peoples of humans have different cultures and civilizations. Zhou was merely responding with his own personal opinions, and based upon his own Chinese culture aspect and how they might view things. There is nothing wrong with people and civilizations having different viewpoints and opinions. I do not agree with much of what he said, but at least now I do have a bit more understanding where they might be coming from. It is good to have communication and try to understand each other. Bad when it is just some mysterious unknown reason why.
His mission accomplished, at least in your case. People are so easy to be influenced. What did he really expressed besides touting Chinese government lines?
This has to be among the best interviews I've seen.
Amazing interview. Bravo to German media. More information, understanding and communication on REAL issues in this clip that a month watching any major American media outlet.
Balanced insightful American news reporting is dead. DW has its bias but it does not trumpet it and demonize others.
@@boogieondown5824 you hit my feelings completely. Ditto to that.
Not quite. Joe Blow is a fascist liar.
Ever since US blew up nordstream, the Germans haven’t been so pro-ukraine
Spitting nonsense with double talk is masterclass is double talk for these 🤡🤡🤡🤡s. 😂😂😂😂😂
This dialogue between the two is so artful solely from how each carry out their point of view and the conversation.
NPC Conversations In Oblivion
At least it's much more civil than most of the talk these day
By "artful" you mean the Chinese guy is being "evasive".
He's a 'top guy', he has to be evasive
Questions and answers are worked out before. We call it a script, its basic for such an interview !! Its made by Chinese before all Questions must pass Chinese direction !
Sadly, Chinese officials have stated the same position countless times at many Foreign Ministry meetings. The difference with this interview is that the Foreign Ministry spokesperson was speaking in Mandarin, which Western media often distort or take out of context when reporting.
Yeah well... learn English.
This is a German news channel. They also had to learn English. If they can do it, why can't top Chinese officials do it
At least this Chinese guy in this video learned decent English. But what about the Chinese president? He's so uneducated. No English, nothing. Just rhetoric. No more than that
DW reports about China are always bias and negative, but this interview is actually very good! This is what we call "adult talking" compare to the western mainstream narratives. This is the attitude to end a war. Great job! The Germany had enough of this war, and seeking a way out, that's why this interview can be seen out here.
China does more than enough to provide feed to that negative narrative.
Its still bias to be honest. He literally ask China why not support Ukraine on this war. The whole war was started because of Nato expansion and which Russia has warned mutiple times there would be a war if the expansion doesnt stop. Asking China to support Ukraine is bascially asking to support Nato for which the only purpose is to aggravate the conflict between China and Russia.
What an intelligent, thoughtful man!
Interviews like this are so important to gain international context. What an interview. Great answers. I wish more news/reporting had this level of professionalism.
Those views don't represent the CCP
@@angelamilton5134 I wish you are wrong 😐
"Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. " But westerns have been fooled so many times!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 As a Chinese Canadian, I can't help laughing!
@@angelamilton5134 Those views do represent most of Chinese. Peace and development are the most precious thing for China now.
Can you explain what he said in short ?
Great interview. Thanks so much!
Well spoken, Mr. former Chinese Senior Military Colonel Zhou Bo. This was refreshing to hear him speaking comparing to western diplomats speaking.
FYI, Zhou Bo started his military service in Chinese air force since 1979. Then he retired and now he is an academic in China's Tsinghua University and some military universities. He has studied in various western universities like Cambridge and Harvard. He often got interviewed by medias like BBC, NBC, and DW. The above information is from his webpage from China's Tsinghua University
did he really? doesnt sound like it
@@peorakef american Universities and communism sound pretty copacetic
@@WiseOwl_1408 zhou bo and communism, hahaha!
He is most impressive
This moreon doesn t even know that Russia has guaranteed not to invade Ukr. when their nukes were handed over to guess who ????,yezz tap dancing Miniput!
Questions and answers on point, never seen such an open discussion with a Chinese official on tv before.
China is committing genocide against its own ethnic minorities. Don't be fooled by them.
Yes same hear, well spoken with no playing the victim.
As an Asian American I really appreciate the respect the interviewer gives to our brother, often in the US journalist are rude and disrespectful to us Asians especially Chinese officials. Respect is a two way street and double standard is something we Asians in the West and in Asia find very insulting. WE can all learn, prosper and grow together as the human family, no need for war.
Incredible interview. Thoughtful questions and responses. The nuances the Colonel expresses give texture and depth to this issue from a Chinese perspective. I still worry about it’s efforts towards Taiwan and the U.S. but I’m of the belief that better understanding of all sides is better for impactful decision making as it relates to China U.S. relations.
I am worry about US efforts towards Taiwan and China.
There is little to understand. Free, happy, and prosperous Taiwan is a direct threat not to China but to the CCP cabal that claims to speak for all Chinese people. The CCP does not speak for all Chinese people. There are over 50 million outside of the CCP control or less than 5% and that burns them up--like it does to all absolutist tyrannies. The CCP under Xi is not a force for good in the world: territorial expansion, debt control of countries to obtain objectives, sea expansion, wolf warrior diplomacy, etc.
I am very critical of the CCP, but for a Chinese official ( part of the delegation) and ex military leader, this was a surprisingly frank and open conversation. Very little dodging questions. ... different matter how much i agree, but def much better dialog than i have seen in a long time. Normally it is just blaming and deflection.
Same mesage, different packaging. China has decided that Zhao Lijian's rabid dog responses were too aggressive and not winning China any friends.
Dialog is always good in Chinese. Imagine trying to answer such questions in your 3rd or 4th language.
You're very good in blaming China when China is not taking part wars in europe.
Too bad your typical western audience can only comprehend like a trump fan.
@@TheKkpop1 You are very good for blaming people for something they haven't even said.
A very respectful interview. I feel like in the first answer you can feel that the interviewee has to make conscious effort not phrase it in a way that deviates from his government's official standpoint. The second most interesting part for me was the part about nuclear weapons, where a clear stance was formulated. Other than that, it is nice to see that civilized talks without too much name-calling are still possible.
And there it is, the word respectful for about the fortieth time, reading down.
And it's entirely possible that he agrees with his government's official standpoint. That's the message I read from this. He is eloquent enough to voice his opinions, and you don't agree with his opinions. Doesn't mean he was forced to say it.
@@canto_v12 He lives in China. Of course he was forced to say it. If he didn't he knows what would happen to him - he would be "disappeared".
The only way you get an unbiased, frank and honest viewpoint from any Chinese person is when they are in exile in a country other than China
The question is,. why can't US officials behave in a more diplomatic way? and not deviating from White house or Pentagon's standpoints.
@@kikbut6517 because there are orders to antagonise China, and there is domestic cultural demand to be racist as a sort of consolation for gradually declining hegemony.
Well prepared interview and professionally conducted.
What a worthy diplomat with such matured statements , from 🇮🇳
This is a great interview! It really shows some of the miscommunication and misunderstanding, I think, between the United States and China. There are trust issues with the 2 countries, and I would argue the trust issues go both ways and are valid on each side. I have to say this is an amazing interview though.... hats off to the interviewer and DW! Hats off to this Chinese colonel for showing transparency or at least what seems to be transparency. The East and West think so differntly, but hopefully our humanity will bring us together. Can the human race be civil and respectful to each other? Even though history doesn't share my optimism, I think and hope we can. Thanks for a great interview!
Hopefully. What matters is we don't assume the worst before we assume the best in each other.
Good that you believe what came out of someone's mouth 😀
THe U.S is tired of the Chinese attempts and successes at STEALING it's Intellectual Property, it's HUGE import taxes and quite honestly it's duplicity. Remember they are COMMUNISTS so by definition they LIE out of BOTH side of their mouths simultaneously.
The thing is US can not catch up with rapid Chinese development and using different tactics to slow down China. Whole world know US always lied before invading other sovereign countries. So this Taiwan thing is also a cheap tactic not a misunderstanding!
I don't think you are right about China misunderstanding the US : All this talk repeats what Russia says from start to justify the war : China does not seem to have an opinion of its own, it is worrying
What an intelligent, well spoken proper statesman. Refreshing
I think someone in the comments said that he's a professor and a former military officer. No wonder he's so well spoken and well versed in this subject.
What about Taiwan which should keep its sovereignity ?
@dashi qiang , he kept talking about peaceful reunification with Taiwan as a Taiwan don't want it. He must respect Taiwan
@dashi qiang ,he must not talk about peaceful reunification as it won't work
@dashi qiang only dumb ones will believe in what CCP say but the rest are smarter not to trust CCap. They have seen what CCP have done to their own citizens. Freedom to Taiwan
Most Respected interview ever, asking and listening, no interruption, fully understanding each other, well done. Keep going 👍
Thoroughly enjoyed this interview - very informative, respectful and well asked and answered questions. Great job
‘’ It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.:
Thats an understatement, not only his salary, his life also depends on him not understanding it.
Not just hes salary, it's also about the continuation of the head being firmly attached to the body. Everyone going against Xi in china will disappear.
I think he is talking about rhe journalist not the diplomat
@jeanpierremichel. Hahaha, you must be right. People in the west arrogantly think that people in the Global South jungle are salaried obedient servants, but those in the western garden are full of knowlege, wisdom and objectivity (and maybe needed no salary). And they hang on to the fantasy that Putin woke up one morning in February 2022, felt bored, and decided to invade Ukraine unprovoked.
Since the start of the Ukraine war, I am beginning to understand why Europe gave us World War I and II. Europeans (or at least their leaders) seem fully incapable of self-reflection. They think they are the angels, and the Chinese and Russians are the monsters. Well, China and Russia didn't give us World War I and II. And it looks like Europe is now determined to give us World War III. That says something.
@@jeanpierremichel9372 It is not the journalist who needs to understand anything.
I think why many feel that this was a good interview is because it's one of the rare occasions when you hear things direct from the horse's mouth and not intentionally mistranslated or have vital information left out. Of course you'd also require a genuinely respectful journalist to pull it off.
One of the best interviews I have seen. Balanced and well mannered. The Colonel was just as excellent!
相互尊重非常好👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
I begin to appreciate an important soft power of a people is its ability to obtain and disperse information with quality and no bias. The more audience you have, the more impact you enjoy.
I just appreciate the fact the DW interviewer didn't interrupt the interviewee. They don't even do that on 60 Minutes.
Letting someone openly lie without push back isn't actually being a good reporter or interviewer. If an interviewee said the sky is red and Putin has coitus with his mother then that should be challenged or interrupted for clarification purposes.
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Yeah. I wouldn't have the patience the reporter does with this imperialist warmonger
@dashi qiang "A journalist job is being objective and not have a biased opinion."
You don't seem to actually understand journalism or interviewing, then as t hat's not correct.
A journalist's job is to report truth. In my prior comment I gave an example of two blatant lies. That should be challenged by stating current known truths (the sky is blue and Putin does not have coitus with his mother) and then have the interviewee explain/provide evidence for their position.
As it actually stands, many journalists don't challenge lies for fear of looking biased which in turn has created a false equivalence problem where every stated thing is left to actually seem like there are two sides to every argument when in fact there isn't.
Unironically, this strategy is often used by despots and authoritarian regimes like Russia and China to create confusion and just enough doubt in the populace in order to keep them from challenging the powers that be on their lies.
yes when i watch cnn, it feels like if the reporter does not interrupt the interviewee every 15 seconds, they won't get their salary paid lol
Great interview. Thank you.
Great interview and great answer from Col. Zhou Bo.
Excellent interview. I feel a bit better for my grandchildren’s future. 🇦🇺
This Chinese dude is awesome. The world would be so much safer if everyone can communicate their concerns and analyze clearly like him
Why is he not heard more? Because most of the western media won’t let him.
Honestly he would make big bucks teaching classes
Well, he basically said that there will be war if the democracies didn't just hand the whole first island chain over to China, so I don't see that attitude leading to peace.
@@kenharvey8161 sure, he adheres to the view china will be on par militarily to the US by mid century.
So by then there'll be no need for war even coz the power balance would be completely lopsided anyway.
@@keithng5249 but, it isn't just the US, but Taiwan, Japan, Australia, etc. China can't win a war over Taiwan. Whether China can reach military parity is doubtful anyway; even if it did, it is too strategically isolated to win a war against the democracies. Even if they won, they would be destroyed, politically and economically. Kind of like what is currently happening to Russia. Probably they know that and are just trying to bluff their way into Taiwan, but it isn't really clear.
China be like:" If you dont bother me, I wont bother you" stance.
What a well reasoned and internally consistent argument by General Bo (👏🏼).
Usually it is so boring for these kind of interview, either too official, or full of fight instead of discussion/information. But this one is really nice
Enjoyed this candid interview from a Chinese Delegation member. I don’t agree with the NATO expansion argument by Putin but it is great to understand the thoughts of the Chinese Gov’t on this matter.
They know its a BS pretext as well, but they want Sphere of interest themselves, so ultimately they will back Russia. This is the international world order Russia rails against.
While the name of the former Chinese military officer is Zhou Bo, at the beginning of the video it sure sounded like DW's correspondent called him "Joe Bull", which was much more fitting in regards to what he had to say, cuz he was clearly full of it.
Its just words
There’s two ways to expand influence, hard power and soft power. We know who’s doing what and how. NATO expanded though popularity and desire. Not by force. Whether you like NATO or not, it was all done legally and above board.
NATO expansion is a valid reason for Russia to go in to push back against the threat. Not like our phony WMDs argument.
This interviewer should get a prize for it. So many politicians, and soon to be interviewers should analyze this interview and learn from it. If we in the Netherlands had only 1 interviewer with 10% of the capabilities of Richard Walker, i would be delighted!
The world is too small, and China too large and central to imagine things moving without their involvement. As an American, I am used to our government being fairly blunt and unashamed in it's broad foreign policy strokes, especially when they are made in error. China has the advantage of centuries of geopolitical and strategic experience to draw upon, and as a superpower going forward, has a lot to teach, while still having the opportunity and real need to take lessons form the West as well. For the time being, Russia is surely the world's problem, but one that lies literally at China's doorstep, so it shouldn't be surprising that they would see no advantage in confrontational posturing at this point.
I think we need a major player like them to stand still, at least temporarily, while everyone else scrambles.
I disagree. I do not see China wanting to get involved in political matters of other nations the way USA does and did.
@@kanding3369 And the US/western world does? LOL!
@@kanding3369 nope, the west doesn't care abt Ukraine. If they do, when the peace negotiation was on the table, they would've tried to make it happen i/o sabotaging it and then keep financing Ukraine with more weapons for a war they may never win. The US cares abt Europe's dependency on Russia's gas/oil, it cares abt outing n suppressing Russia and Russia's ties with China...etc. It's all about its global dominance and its domestic oil/gas/defense industries' gains. As for EU, I seriously don't know what they care about, other than following US's foreign policy. You're right abt the west forgetting abt their own people's suffering. Ukraine gives the elite huge political/financial/military gains and hey, let's also not forget about a "good and just" image n reputation.
@@cestmoi4252 I don't think Chris's mention of involvement is necessarily of political involvement, but rather peaceful involvement and economic development.
@@willv88so what China is currently doing already ?
I was very impressed with the Chinese gentleman. He was courteous to all questions asked and gave such good replies. I sincerely wish for good relations with China as we have but one world and living in harmony is what all nations should strive for.
Arthur Matthews I would like to see Peace and cooperation between US n China. But then majority of US politician is mongering for this war to happen .
Pleasantly surprised by this dude. 👏 More honest, realist than expected. I hope 🤞🏻
Great interview. Nice to see two people who at least have done their homework.
We will never agree with China but it is better to see wang yi and this colonel talking then the ' wolf warrior spokesman on steroids'. They sound more intelligent and look more like gentlemen thus more as a diplomat
Well the rest of the world will never agree to US again that’s for sure. Trouble maker of the century!
an interesting and insightful interview that for once is not agenda fuelled and allows the time for a well answered and elaborated answer. This is the sort of interview that allows opposing sides to understand each other without aggression or conflict and is what the world needs more of
One of the best interviews to date.
Excellent interview, thanks
That was some serious word salad when he was asked about Ukrainians right to self determination.
Impressive
Tibet. Taiwan.
NATO and Israel determined Ukraine's sovereignty. There is no self-determination from the West.
Think about Tibet and and Taiwan.
"self determination" is not good for Palestine, Serbia or Cuba-NO!
The Snr Colonel is right to evade that red herring question about "self determination", We know the west knows how to annex other countries and have done so, irregardless of what the people in those countries wanted or thought and or continue to think....
Thank you for this interview.
Great interview 👍 , keep it up
Wow, this guy gave one of the most nuanced and coherent discours from china I've heard in some time.
While the name of the former Chinese military officer is Zhou Bo, at the beginning of the video it sure sounded like DW's correspondent called him "Joe Bull", which was much more fitting in regards to what he had to say, cuz he was clearly full of it.
@@bryanjackson8917Far from it, he gave the most candid of answers we have seen from China. The only bs here is from YOU.
@@emscott2705 Seems like you might know the answer to this question:
Is it really true that the Chinese military is planning to inflate its next spy balloon using the hot air coming out of Zhou Bo's mouth?
It’s because the Western media usually picked 2 or 3 lines out of a full dialogue from Chinese side, deliberately making Chinese side seem unreasonable and incoherent.
@@julioduan7130 The Chinese government side may or may not be incoherent, but like all demands made by communist dictatorships, it is totally unreasonable.
“The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.”-Albert Einstein
That's right, Russia should have done something when NATO backed a military coup in Ukraine against a democratically elected govt of Ukraine back in 2014.
The one's who claim to do are more evil!
What do you want China to do? Military aid to Russia?
Exactly you are not there, seeing it with your own two eyes, are you? you're only " reading" one side in the western media, so his statement is true and you are too dumb to realize it
Some of Einstein's theories have been disproven
How refreshing to let people actually speak.
The former Chinese Colonel have spoken all things clear and in a very truthful manner. Salute Sir for your honesty and unshakable stand as Russia's best Ally. We love and support for your BRICS!
Man, this journalist is a beast. That's exactly what a journalist should be and how they should work always. Asking the right questions, without fears and without disrespect. Congrats
That's great 👍 good journalism shall be appreciated, not CIA
🤖 Great interview, no gaslighting and mr.Zhou makes great points!🤖
Great interview. We need more balanced interviews from both sides
My brain has never been so clear.
It seems the Colonel discusses the point of view of China pretty frankly even if he is just repeating the official position. He's a great diplomat.
He did just repeat the party line about NATO expansion. Like listening to a British envoy caught with the Confederates during the US Civil War talk about State's Rights. But this is an ethnic cleansing.
When it's been stated plainly by Putin and Dugin for 20+ years they would genocide the Ukranian people, & the Poles, Lithuanians, and more who won't assimilate into the Russian Eurasianist Empire.
Fantastic. When I invest in watching a video, I must exclaim, "The best video ever, great discussion!"
@Astro Gremlin The best comment ever, great discussion.
America is the only country which want to start the war and keep the war in Europe! Without war America will go bankrupt! Sadly European politicians and major medias never talk about it and challenge it! I am just wondering if Europe is another state of America????
Wonderful interview. Excellent and patient reply with carefully worded replies.
I agree. I saw it so it must be something fantastic. The very best video ever. And we were here!
Can you explain what he said in short ?
How country development
@@snippe1346 I can. He called Ukraine's borders stable...like WTH, dude? You don't GET any less stable than being ruthlessly attacked across a border. He said that the war was beneficial to Ukraine. He might want to pose that question to them. It degenerated from there. Lie after lie after lie. That is what he said. Hope that helps. If not, watch it, and you will see those statements virtually word for word (I didn't memorize them).
And what exactly did he said ?
Every body concentrate all the time of praise the performance and not the content of the interview
Excellent interview. Carefully phrased but honest and very insightful responses from the interviewee and good structure from the interviewer. Also great mutual respect - why can’t all interviews be like this!
Love this interview, best in years, both sides did not hide nor dodge, hard questions being answered truthfully. Great work
Great reporting and also clear answers. The interviewed never deflected difficult questions. Wish all politicians could communicate like this.
Right. Putin didn't deflect questions when he said he wouldn't invade Ukraine and the West was just hyping things up. Words from those governments mean nothing, if anything, consider the opposite.
He is not a politician he is a colonel
@@vision821k4 then you believe what you want to believe like all of us as it has ever been.
He exceeded and excelled in all areas. Big mistake, un-retire him back onto the PR circuit. I got the message that if you pick sides, you loose, and amplify misery and duration. That did not stop the US going into multiple 19 year wars, with dodgy settlements.
Clear answer is not truthful answer. This guy might not even know if there is a concrete politburo plan for taking Taiwan.
Remember, this dude rose to power in a dictatorship, it takes a certain kind of people to do so.
NATO has kept peace in Europe. It was a mistake not to include Ukraine.
Facts
Just like how the Romans put their own legions in conquored territories to maintain control, America has followed the same process with nato. While nato could be argued to have stopped conflicts between members (American client states) it certainly hasn't brought peace as we consistently get drawn into Americas wars to maintain their hegimony
@@mh-ht2fp if pressured Ukraine could have reformed. Or NATO could have provided security guarantees. If the political will existed.
@@francisyockey8225 American client states? That's absurd. Europe is a strong economic competitor to America. You really think Macron and Sholtz take their orders from Washington? It should be obvious that NATO is not controlled by America otherwise Finland and Sweden would be members already. This take on NATO is full of holes. After America invaded Iraq France withdrew from NATO. In fact they along with other European nations argued passionately against it.
NATO which is a US pack is the worse thing that ever happened to Europe. Europe has absolutely no sovereignty
The style of reporting. Thank you
This is such a nice down-to-earth interview. Very good to see other perspectives in such a light.
Good to see such levelheadedness in operation in the field of international relationships.
This reporter asked insightful and precise questions and received detailed answers... excellent interview.
very balanced interview. both sound intelligent.
This title is a good example of how media taking words out of context.