I believe Mars will become like Antarctica for quite a few decades. It needs to be a research station for the foreseeable. There's so much to learn there WITHOUT a load of tourists and other people getting underfoot. Humanity needs to be sure that we won't be destroying any extant life there; I'm certain Earth politicians (and celebrities) will want to strut their egotistical stuff on that issue. Another thing is we have to study is whether life has been there and WHY it may no longer exist. There are many geological (aresological?) processes that need to be closely examined and understood. As you say...Earth is PERFECT for us. It will take a lot more than we think to create habitats on Mars. So...other than that...on to Mars!
When I first heard Mr Musks plan I was all in, I wanted to be buried there. Now , after X .. and his outrageous interviews , call me out Who is going to give him 100 million tonnes of earth's stuff .. who I guarantee I won't vote for a government that gives up to us and gives it to him Who gets to go, will they have to get nureolinked .. What about genetic flaws inherent to humans... how do you limit that in a closed population... ask that one
What he's not telling us is what he hasn't even been honest with himself about. We don't have the knowledge, materials, information, technology or anything else needed to make this scenario a possibility. Unless and until there is a radical discovery of a completely previously unknown technology, this will not happen in our lifetimes, if ever. That is what he's not saying. It's great to dream and imagine, but it's not ok to stop there and call it a working plan.
Yep the only way people could ever live on Mars would be if we invented a new much more efficient energy source. That might happen, but probably not anytime soon. @@catserver8577
@@catserver8577 We have technologies, but they are very expensive. We need to look for new technologies, but it takes a lot of time and experimentation.
@@FiNLI77 Explain what you mean. The last 9-ish years have been dictated by Tik Tok and social media rumors and outright exaggeration of the advances of pseudoscience. Open a book.
Imagine being born on mars and about 6 years old you find out about earth and there’s breathable air, amusement parks. Beaches, forests etc. Then realizing there no chance of ever going because of the gravitational force difference. Sounds like a nightmare
There is no way to colonize Mars with our current technology. Period. Short-term research outposts are feasible as long as we are willing to accept the fact that it's going to be a one-way trip with a life expectancy of less than 3 years.
@@johncronin9540 I mean, if we survive, it will happen one day. But we don't even know as basic a fact as whether humans can endure low G environments long term. Even though the Moon is 1/2 of Mars gravity. Mars is still only 1/3 of Earth's gravity. Musk doesn't even know that basic fact. Yet, he's planning a colony of a million people? BTW, isn't Mars in as great a getting slammed by a huge rock as Earth? Musk makes it sound like the Earth is the only possible location of such an impact. The whole idea in 2023 is just silly.
Even worse, he's been reading space opera. And want that fantasy to be real. Well reality is different and this Space Race guy nailed it. And if we're to live under a dome never to go out anyway, it's much more convenient to set up a base on a world that do not have dust storms and the other problems associated with Mars. Why nobody is talking about Ceres, which is no harder to reach than Mars is a mystery - well one guy do that here on RUclips. And then there's the prime property of the solar system - Titan. And a handful of the RUclipsrs have actually started to talk about that one, and you know what? No radiation problem there, and secondly: Walks on the surface can be one safely and with simpler gear than anywhere else in the solar system - only need oxygen and VERY warm clothing / isolation on top.
A million people on Mars means one million cases of major depressive disorder within 12 months. No sun, no sky, nothing green, terrible food, an overwhelming desire to return to Earth. You can have it.
It will never happen. Im surprised some of the most "brilliant minds" waste so much time trying to fix hypothetical problems somewhere else. Essentially viewing earth as a lost cause. It must be the desire, possibly a subconscious one, to play God.
@@mikeobryant3367I don’t think it’s viewing Earth as a “lost cause”, it’s the importance of having settlements on multiple planets. It’s an important first step for the long-term survival of our species, which is hard coded into our DNA as being important.
A satirical attempt to convey the fact that multiple sources of radiation will kill anything on the surface of mars. If you though I was in earnest; consider socializing.
If you want a really good book, surveying the challenges of a space fairing civilization, Read a city on Mars by Kelly and Zach Wiener smith. It brings up a lot of the concerns that you’ve brought up as well as many more. A great one is how little we know about childbirth and space and the fact that probably we want to figure that out before we send 1 million people somewhere.
@@intellectualcat4000 easier to just suggest that you watch the Frasier Cain or multiple other interviews on RUclips with them, during which they summarize quite a lot of these points.
I never read that book, but I DO know that in the Summer of 2019, NASA sent 100 petri dishes with Human Brain Cells converted from Stem Cells into space, where they stayed on the International Space Station for several months. After some time in Zero G, the Brain Cells grew into really BIG brains! NASA determined that if a woman became pregnant in Space, that her baby's head would be too large to fit through the Birth Canal. (In 1988, that was the case for a friend of mine, but the Doctor just used his Surgical Scissors to make the Birth Canal wider.) However, in 2029, NASA determined that every pregnant woman in Zero G would need a C-Section, something that Doctors on the Moon or Mars would not be able to do for some time. In theory, a pregnant woman could be kept in an artificial "Earth Gravity" environment for ALL or most of her Pregnancy. But that raises issues of how she and the baby then transition to the Moon's Gravity (16% of Earth's) or Mars' Gravity (60% of Earth). Another solution would be to return every pregnant woman back to Earth, for a C-Section. Obviously, that has NEVER been done before. We know even UN-pregnant Astronauts have trouble adjusting to Earth's Gravity, so it would compounded for a pregnant woman. The implication is that Moon or Martian Colonies would NEVER be truly "independent" of Earth, if they constantly had to send all there pregnant woman to Earth to give birth via C-Section.
One of the biggest obstacles to a large Mars colony is that you need only one nutcase, or one disgruntled person or terrorist, and the whole colony could be vulnerable to destruction. Somehow, redundancy would need to be built in -- kind of like watertight compartments in a ship. If one compartment is punctured, the whole ship does not flood and sink. But I don't know if one could build in sufficient redundancy in such a hostile, deadly environment as Mars.
You watched to many movies when you were young. We as humans will never get to mars. It will be 2050 and it will be the same story. Pushing missions back and back aaaaand postponing them. We are a special place species in this special reality.
nothing. according to elmo, we should have been on Mars this year but his spaceships cannot even land on the moon yet. we cannot even "fix" the earth but somehow, Elmo is gonna terraform Mars. lmaoo
Why domes? If you want a transparent roof, use a flat one, topped with a couple feet of water ice, sealed on top to prevent sublimation. Air pressure would support it and sealing leaks would take nothing but water. Great radiation shielding. Makes a great greenhouse.
You put a flat roof over a crater that you seal airtight, fill it with breathable air. If you use Earthly, sea-level conditions, at 14psi, that'll hold up a very heavy roof. Like two-three feet of water ice. Very minimal support, just to keep it steady, and the air holds the thing up. Or excavate a space instead of using a readymade crater. Very simple, cheap design. Just don't let it depressurize or the roof falls in.
Regarding growing food, there is hydroponics and by extension aquaponics that would be usable. Bonus is that the latter also provides protein in the form of fish.
That's why one design I saw for missions left the EVA suits attached to the shelter/vehicle. Just had to brush off the rear suit entry hatch, rather than bringing in a nasty, dust covered suit inside of the shelter/vehicle.
@@caldodgeAnother difference, other than the lack of oxidation is that martial regolith is also extremely saline. That has to be cleared first, before any bioremediation can be applied. That said, there was one microorganism suggested for saline remediation, then alfalfa to become compost. Given light levels, one's likely looking at an entire sol before any prospective soil might be ready to use *and* that's assuming one could get a blessing from planetary protection, which is utterly unlikely.
@@MartinMartinX More likely. But if you say that to Musk fans, they freak out. At this point, it's a medical unknown what sustained 1/3G has on the human body.
Маск не говорит вам о том что этот проект кто-то должен финансировать! И тут возникает дилемма... либо миллион людей пожелавших стать марсианами должны будут быть очень богатыми, вот только я сомневаюсь что эти люди полетят ради постоянного тяжелого труда, выживания и условий жизни, или должны быть созданы экономические условия на Земле... когда общество содержит за счет своих отчислений общество на Марсе! Потому что невозможно создать самодостаточное общество на Марсе без угнетения общества на Земле! Экономического равновесия не получается! Поэтому "города Маска на Марсе" это утопия! Много говорят о некой гуманистической или цивилизационной цели миссии "ради всего Человечества"... возникает вопрос, в чем проблемы Человечества ради которых нужно бежать на другую планету? Разве не целесообразнее решать суть самих проблем Человечества в месте его проживания а не бежать от них? Да и все проблемы Человечества созданы самим человеком, как от них убежать? Сам от себя не убежишь!)
@@bettertvreceptionwithfoilf7100 The trouble with my idea is a) we don't have any jet powered rocket pants and b) jet powered rocket pants don't actually exist outside the fictional cartoon strip 'Johnny Rocket Pants'.
Good summary of the extreme difficulties involved. I figure Musk's thinking must be that if you have a vision and are relentless in your pursuit of it, you'll find a way. He may have a point.
Elund's "vision" on this is not in line with common sense or objective reality. His kind of "vision" is the same as a child. Due to Elund's narcissistic personality disorder he is, emotionally speaking, stuck as a child inside... he just want's to be loved because his dad didn't like him.
@@rogermouton2273 Yeah, don't actually think for yourself... go off public and social media perception. Good logic. Lots of depth to your "intelligence" I'm sure. No wonder you're an Elund stan.
What will happen on Mars is the same as what happened on the Moon, there be a space race to get there first and because it's so shit it be decades or most probably centuries before it is even attempted again.
Bro these comments💀 like you know the reason why it stopped is the presidents following Kennedy didn’t want to put money towards it, and because going to LEO was much more profitable science wise, atleast for that time. Now we have better equipment to study the environments of other celestial bodies so that we can properly understand things. We have studied mars EXTREMELY closely and we litterly have a whole plan ready for how the colony will unfold. This is the private industry now, things are completely different. Someone can’t get re elected to change the direction of things.
well that goes for the average welfare recipient too, living on food stamps, and never having to work, while others do and pay their way with their taxes!
I dunno, I'd argue floating cities high enough in Venus' atmosphere still seem more human friendly than a small red dustball bombarded by space rocks and space radiation.
someone actually disagreed w/ me so hard about this once that they completely stopped talking to me over it. up to that point I'd known them for 15 years. I basically just stated what you did, and she lost her shit and disappeared.
@@alexchobanov Why would there be low gravity? You are still in the pull of the planet and since Venus is roughly the same size as Earth it should be very similar. Against radiation the buildings would be made of materials that keep it out. Pressure difference would be minimal since high enough in Venus' atmosphere it would be fairly normal not the pressure cooker hellhole. The real issue would be food honestly.
@@Mate397 I had assumed cities in orbit, as I am not aware of a technical solution that will allow us to build a floating city in atmosphere with current technology, but I guess I am missing something. What do you envision?
"Things are developing rapidly in that space" False. "There’s also robot AIs and automated manufacturing" False. It's so primitive to what is required for Mars. "will be the backbone of the underground Mars city" yeah, because a city in a cavern is the same as a space station.
“Whom the Gods wish to destroy, they first render insane”. Euripides. No atmosphere similar to earth, a barren wasteland, heavy radiation at certain times of the year, no natural food. Seems like paradise for intellectuals. Please send all politicians too.
Except it's farther away so everything is MUCH harder to do there, communication, resupply, emergency evac, all of that is not off the table, but fraught with difficulties and would need a LOT of redundancy to make sure the minimum required always actually arrived. To me this idea as an experiment purely makes a lot more sense on the moon, although building a LARGE (small city sized) space structure/station makes way more sense to me if you want us able to the off the planet and surviving.
A point about Mars dust: the dust particles on Mars are very sharp and jagged compared to earth dust due to the lack of friction between the particles not rounding off the edges. This means the wear and tear on both man and machine is very much worse, as is the problem of not being able to wash it off with liquid water.
One of the biggest things you failed to mention is what the gravity difference is going to do to our organs, bloodstream, and bone, for any extended period. The gravity we have on earth is ideal for human anatomy. Toxic build-up in our bodies is biggest long term problem, once you can grow food, stay away from meteorites, survive the temperature swings, and radiation.
Looking forward on how private companies like SpaceX compete with countries like China on Mars, i.e. once landed on Mars. I hope longterm Mars people will become independent from earth, hope they will have a more scientific mindset than people from earth..
"Looking forward on how private companies like SpaceX compete with countries like China on Mars, i.e. once landed on Mars" SpaceX will go bankrupt before reaching Mars. It can't even send a probe or a rover to Mars. And if you think SpaceX is in any way able to compete with China, you're out of your mind. "I hope longterm Mars people will become independent from earth" Oh dear,that will never happen, because the colonization of Mars is impossible. Any settlement on Mars will never be self sufficient it will require support from Earth. And if Earth decides to cut off that support, you can kiss your martians good bye.
Here's an idea for Mr. Musk: let's populate Sahara. The gravitational force is the same as on Earth. There is oxygen and some bio mass. Water is nearby. Wouldn't that be easier?
Elon Musk's whole Mars City plan is the possibility of circumventing extinction of ALL life on Earth maybe by nuclear war, giant meteor strike or some other global catastrophe. Sahara is on Earth, Mars is not.
The water is not nearby if you are in the middle of the desert. And the water nearby is mostly ocean water which needs to be treated before being drinkable.
@@William0271 And of course the backup for our species is a radiation blasted cold wasteland that lost most of the resources needed for life to thrive, has little water and is energy poor.
Inside a habitat floating in the atmosphere of Venus at about 50-60 km elevation is by far the least hostile environment for humans. Nearly the same gravity and atmospheric pressure with plenty of protection from cosmic radiation.
@@davepastern There is too much evidence that human bodies will experience serious deterioration in micro gravity for extended times. Bone loss, muscle atrophy, organ damage, brain structure, and vision deterioration have already been observed.
@@MrMoon-te5xw True, but it's not really a "balloon". A habitat with a simulated earth atmosphere inside would float in the more dense Venus atmosphere. Your human habitat would naturally float.
We need to stop over on the moon 🌙 for about a month coming back from Mars before returning to Earth to give our bodies a chance to reacclimate to gravity.
Its possible to grow plants without soil with a hydroponic setup. But a better solution might be transporting enough organic matter to create a sustaining ecosystem in an enclosed and controlled environment
Aeroponics are more efficient and far more easily maintained. And both are maintenance intensive to begin with. A bigger ball pain would be to design a closed ecosystem that's balanced.
@@nihalbhandary162 Yeah. Then evaporate the water leaving the salt behind. The perchlorates are believed to be in partially hydrated form, so they would be a source of water (and hence oxygen).
Come on. Biosphere 2 (look it up on wiki) couldn't sustain itself _on Earth_. How would a smaller system sustain itself on Mars with much less sunlight, but high radiation, toxic soil, virtually no atmospheric pressure? It won't.
The Mars Society is apparently trying to set up a Mars Technology Institute to solve some of these issues. Dr. Zubrin has always stated that we have to practical technological base to go to Mars and colonize the planet, it just a matter of engineering the application of that general base into specific technology. I hope and dream he is right.
Elon couldn`t find a bug if someone didn`t point it out to him. But his MO is more like this: At first, he denies it, steals the idea, and then claims it's his. Then, he buys a social platform and massively floods it with political propaganda. That is the man we want to start the new world? OK, you go. I`ll catch you guys up later on.
IMHO Venus cloud city is a better bet. Mars' 1/3 gravity can't be messed with. If we can unlock the chemistry of Venus, maybe we can do something on Mars.
TLDR: Take carbon from Venus, add to mars. Bada bada boom, planetary transformation. Possibly, moving the extreme excess carbon from Venus atmosphere to mars could help Mars’s atmosphere situation. My personal theory is that with enough transported carbon from Venus, we can rebuild mars atmosphere, which will heat up the planet, which will melt the ice caps and atomically energize the planet. With the water from the ice caps and carbon from Venus, we could extract oxygen from the water using photosynthesis and over a long period of time, create a livable atmosphere. Yes this would take a very long time, but possibly shorter than some other methods. Edit: added tldr
The difference is that on Earth you can go for a walk under a blue sky, breathing air, and eat whatever you want. The difference is that on Earth you have freedom of movement while on Mars you're in the greatest Supermax ever conceived.
@@mikeb.7068 Bro if there be people, they won’t care bout any stress. These will be not your average joes with stack of disorders by default, but selected individuals, probably from military. They have no your average stress 😅
Wow the Elon haters are out in force today. Yeah, you're right ... he didn't invent anything (oh wait, there's another Tesla driving by that he and his company invented).
You paraphrased Elon's statement. Elon is concerned about the distant future of the human race. He figures better sooner than later to develop space travel.
Anyone who doesn't understand that colonizing Mars is the single hardest thing that has ever been attempted in the history of man also doesn't understand how he would have felt if he hadn't eaten breakfast yesterday.
Putting a man on Mars is an achievable goal and one that we should aspire too. But quantum AI Robots will be even better. When Robot technology gets good enough we need to use it to build a Martian colony suitable for man to live. The Xman
What changes if these people make it to mars? Once the planet's habitat is mastered then what are we to do? kill it again 😂 earthlings going to mars doesn't change the fact that you're an earthling. You're still hateful, envious, killers, emotional creatures and there os life on mars but once you get their if their not ideal or intimidating you'll try and kill them as you've done on earth and then the cycle starts all over just on a different planet. There's no running from what's already in store for us you don't get a chance to ruin another species world because you're so far on your high horse. No! First you fix what you've messed up hear then we can consider indulging an alien planet or alien species, simply stated turn your God's complex down a notch.
Even if we eventually step foot on Mars and attempt to colonize it -- and even if it's because of Elon Musk and SpaceX that we accomplish that -- Elon, himself, will never step foot there.
I don't get why people talk about Martian soil when surely a close system hydroponic set-up would be best? There are different hydroponic varients that don't require any soil at all.
@@livingart2405 That is a separate issues from soil though? It is only slightly less gravity. Only one way to find out. I am surprised they don't know already.
There is already a city on Mars. The Cydonia region is home to the eroded remains of an ancient civ that once existed there. Look at the ESA images taken by Mars Express. It looks as if most of the Mesas and Landforms have been altered and sculpted and show animals, birds, and human beings. We are a little bit late to the Martian party.
I think one option to avoid the perchlorate problem is to use the soil extracted from the tunnels to grow food on the surface. Tunnel dirt will likely have less perchlorate content (depending on the tunnel location) and require less processing with water.
Teraform Mars with plantlife first. Transparent domes to trap in heat. Plants love CO2. But they need nitrogen, dirt and water. Build several terrarium domes anchored to ground. Then grow a jungle of plants including fruit trees and vegetables for human food. Plants produce oxygen. So people could live inside dome. Or can fly back home. Cameras can monitor plant growth.
In comparison to taking the subway everyday in NYC, lunacy of Terran politics, unaffordability of living on earth, the destructive bent of bored mega billionaires and the council of 13, the martian frontier seems like a dream.
The movie Space Between Us, is a documentary, everything he stated about the difference on the human body making the transition from Mars to Earth was spot on in the movie
Meteors striking the dome are the least of the concerns, even then it would only drain the dome and the sub areas and tunnels would automatically seal at a breach, not all would be lost if the design was even half decent.
a) If future leads us to underground settlements, than why on mars? Why not on earth? b) Perhaps it would be easier to construct O'Neil cylinders using asteroid material and using the waste asteroid material to suround the cylinders as a shiled against micro metheorites. The metals of the asteroid would be used to construct the cylinders and the rest would be the shield. An O'Neil cylinder is a huge cylinder rotating along its legth axis thus creating artificial gravity on the inside. You would always have to construct 2 such cylinders rotating in the oposite direction for reasons of physical stability.
Minor point here, but still worth bringing up: meteorites don't hit the upper atmosphere; that's done by meteors, which change into meteorites only when they hit the earth's surface.
There is a Kurzgesagt video on terraforming Venus which involves using a giant mirror to cool down the planet, allow the carbon in the atmosphere to freeze, then send the carbon elsewhere. If we do this, we could, in theory, use the extra carbon from Venus to slowly build the atmosphere of mars. Use the excess from Venus to fill the emptiness of mars
That video is overlooking something. Namely the heat on Venus doesn't come from the sun. The sulphuric acid clouds which cover all of Venus is highly reflective. Most of the sun light doesn't make it to the surface. The heat on Venus comes from the formation of the thick atmosphere. As the atmosphere thickened it generated heat due to the compression of the athmospheric gases. Since the atmosphere is largely carbon dioxide, very little of that heat escapes to space. I'm sure the cloud cover plays a role in the heat retention too. So reflecting the sun light away from Venus isn't going to do much to cool down the planet. You need to take away 98.91 percent of the atmosphere to cool Venus down.
Technically, your blood doesn't boil with the exception of the capillaries and your eyes will not bulge out of your head. As you experience rapid decompression, your body experiences something called the bends or decompression sickness (DCS). Now this also depends on what the pressure is in the habitat. Will we live at earth sea level pressures of approximately 14psi or will we live at lower pressures? You can survive exposure to low pressure environments for short periods of time and if you can get to safety quickly, will then have to sit in a specially modified hyperbaric oxygen chamber for hours to slowly release the nitrogen from your blood and tissues so as to not cause permanent damage.
All the current plans for growing food in space are missing the point (also this video), that all higher life on Earth is sustained by microbial ecosystems. THIS is what "soil" means, not the mineral base (this one could be called "dirt"). Bacteria, fungi and plant roots together can very easily create organic compounds from minerals. That doesn't work in hydroponic culture, which is mostly sterile. What we need to establish on Mars is composting! This is such a key process (recycling of all kinds of organic matter), still no one talks about it... In "The Martian" movie they also missed this point. (Poop would need to be composted first, which is a microbial process. Our excrements can't feed plants directly, they would die from the concentrated chemicals in it!)
What's overlooked about Mars is how low the gravity is and the negative effect this is likely to have on the human metabolism. I 'm pretty sure the logistics of those issues will be just one of the many obstacles to be overcome and not easily surmountable.
Dream as big as possible. That’s what I like about Elon. His views might be unrealistic, but the passionate declaration of “MORE, MORE, FARTHER, FARTHER!!!” Is how we evolve and push forward as a species. I suspect Elon knows his dreams won’t happen in his lifetime. But the pressure and the drive and the grind to make it happen; that desire for all of us who hope to die on Mars; that is a powerful force. That makes it “feel” real. In the way the idea of putting footprints on the Moon did, all those decades ago. Logic is important. Indeed, it is vital. But passion pushes the limits of our logic, and drives us to expand our logic.
Mars only looks red from a distance because of dust. It’s more of a butterscotch colour. Depending on what minerals there are at different locations it also looks tan, gold and even a bit greenish.
I STILL don't understand why there isn't more discussion about creating artificial gravity for the trip there. A slowly tumbling Starship with a 60 second rotational period could provide just enough centrifugal force (0.05g) to minimize the effects of 0G on the human body. The crew would still have to exercise to maintain strength but it would avoid blood pooling in the brain and around other vital organs.
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What is life on Mars really going to be like and is Elon’s dream of a million people on Mars even really possible? Let us know your thoughts below!
I believe Mars will become like Antarctica for quite a few decades. It needs to be a research station for the foreseeable. There's so much to learn there WITHOUT a load of tourists and other people getting underfoot.
Humanity needs to be sure that we won't be destroying any extant life there; I'm certain Earth politicians (and celebrities) will want to strut their egotistical stuff on that issue.
Another thing is we have to study is whether life has been there and WHY it may no longer exist. There are many geological (aresological?) processes that need to be closely examined and understood.
As you say...Earth is PERFECT for us. It will take a lot more than we think to create habitats on Mars.
So...other than that...on to Mars!
Not possible. Will never happen in our lifetime. Our robots may have a city there, but humans will not.
Number one it would cost too much to sustain life there. Number two why nit hit the moon for space fun?
At this point, practically everything he says makes my eyes roll.
When I first heard Mr Musks plan I was all in, I wanted to be buried there. Now , after X .. and his outrageous interviews , call me out
Who is going to give him 100 million tonnes of earth's stuff .. who
I guarantee I won't vote for a government that gives up to us and gives it to him
Who gets to go, will they have to get nureolinked ..
What about genetic flaws inherent to humans... how do you limit that in a closed population... ask that one
so what exactly isnt he telling us? ....... oh thats just the title. ok
What he's not telling us is what he hasn't even been honest with himself about. We don't have the knowledge, materials, information, technology or anything else needed to make this scenario a possibility. Unless and until there is a radical discovery of a completely previously unknown technology, this will not happen in our lifetimes, if ever. That is what he's not saying. It's great to dream and imagine, but it's not ok to stop there and call it a working plan.
Yep the only way people could ever live on Mars would be if we invented a new much more efficient energy source. That might happen, but probably not anytime soon. @@catserver8577
@@catserver8577 We have technologies, but they are very expensive. We need to look for new technologies, but it takes a lot of time and experimentation.
@@catserver8577ok so like have you been living under a rock for the past uhh say 9-ish years?
@@FiNLI77 Explain what you mean. The last 9-ish years have been dictated by Tik Tok and social media rumors and outright exaggeration of the advances of pseudoscience. Open a book.
So the title? What is Elon not telling us?
Rhymes with 'schmickbait' . But it was an interesting vid nonetheless.
The real question is, what has our government kept from us for hundreds of years...?
That it probably won't work?
Is nothing to tell us, he did not invent anything.
Total recall😂
You first Elon. To quote the Hound, "You come with me, you die here."
He doesn't believe he'll live long enough for it to be accomplished
Captain goes down with the ship.
Imagine being born on mars and about 6 years old you find out about earth and there’s breathable air, amusement parks. Beaches, forests etc. Then realizing there no chance of ever going because of the gravitational force difference. Sounds like a nightmare
you can never go outside. Even prisoners get time in the fresh air.
@@je-fq7ve Mars would be a living hell and earth would simply look like what heaven sounds like.
Wait till terraforming is completed. Someone will nuke the North and South poles in Mars. What's the use of having nukes in earth
Now there is a class action lawsuit ready to happen :)
There are cities a half mile below the soil
The only way we live on Mars with our current technology is underground.
I'd rather live on a ravaged and devastated living Earth. Then a dead Mars, any day of the week.
Mars being radioactive, can you just cover yourself up with it?
@@jcwiggens. Agreed. Exploration is one thing. Colonization isn’t even a viable option right now.
There is no way to colonize Mars with our current technology. Period.
Short-term research outposts are feasible as long as we are willing to accept the fact that it's going to be a one-way trip with a life expectancy of less than 3 years.
@@johncronin9540 I mean, if we survive, it will happen one day. But we don't even know as basic a fact as whether humans can endure low G environments long term. Even though the Moon is 1/2 of Mars gravity. Mars is still only 1/3 of Earth's gravity. Musk doesn't even know that basic fact. Yet, he's planning a colony of a million people? BTW, isn't Mars in as great a getting slammed by a huge rock as Earth? Musk makes it sound like the Earth is the only possible location of such an impact. The whole idea in 2023 is just silly.
It sounds like Musk started reading Martian Chronicles but didn't finish the book.
Even worse, he's been reading space opera. And want that fantasy to be real. Well reality is different and this Space Race guy nailed it.
And if we're to live under a dome never to go out anyway, it's much more convenient to set up a base on a world that do not have dust storms and the other problems associated with Mars. Why nobody is talking about Ceres, which is no harder to reach than Mars is a mystery - well one guy do that here on RUclips. And then there's the prime property of the solar system - Titan. And a handful of the RUclipsrs have actually started to talk about that one, and you know what? No radiation problem there, and secondly: Walks on the surface can be one safely and with simpler gear than anywhere else in the solar system - only need oxygen and VERY warm clothing / isolation on top.
The book ends with life doing fine on Mars. People returned to Earth for politics and war. Some did remain on Mars to continue humanity.
A million people on Mars means one million cases of major depressive disorder within 12 months. No sun, no sky, nothing green, terrible food, an overwhelming desire to return to Earth. You can have it.
It will never happen. Im surprised some of the most "brilliant minds" waste so much time trying to fix hypothetical problems somewhere else. Essentially viewing earth as a lost cause. It must be the desire, possibly a subconscious one, to play God.
Or one million nerds who don't mind "no sun" (it has 2/3s the intensity of Earth at a sunny day), but do have a mission.
We could do a Belko Experiment.
_"Ok. Whoever is the last person alive can come back to earth. Good luck everyone. You time starts now!"_
@@mikeobryant3367I don’t think it’s viewing Earth as a “lost cause”, it’s the importance of having settlements on multiple planets. It’s an important first step for the long-term survival of our species, which is hard coded into our DNA as being important.
@@ekszentrikNo sun when you're underground. Inverse square law says the Sun's radiation at Mars is exactly half that on Earth.
Enjoy the cosmic rays brah.
They will likely build habitats in caves on Mars to be protected from radiation.
Hellas Basin, thick air, Brah that's where it gets to 70 degrees Brah
You could get by with a breathing mask, barely
You watched too much Total Recall
@@duanebouchard8736 You got the autism?
@@duanebouchard8736 You got the autism?
A satirical attempt to convey the fact that multiple sources of radiation will kill anything on the surface of mars. If you though I was in earnest; consider socializing.
In the gold rush money is made by selling pickaxes
or in this case, Starships. Lots of them.
If you want a really good book, surveying the challenges of a space fairing civilization, Read a city on Mars by Kelly and Zach Wiener smith. It brings up a lot of the concerns that you’ve brought up as well as many more. A great one is how little we know about childbirth and space and the fact that probably we want to figure that out before we send 1 million people somewhere.
Please tell me briefly what is said in this book.
@@intellectualcat4000 easier to just suggest that you watch the Frasier Cain or multiple other interviews on RUclips with them, during which they summarize quite a lot of these points.
"We" won't be sending 1 million people there. They will go of their own free will and they will "figure that out".
I never read that book, but I DO know that in the Summer of 2019, NASA sent 100 petri dishes with Human Brain Cells converted from Stem Cells into space, where they stayed on the International Space Station for several months.
After some time in Zero G, the Brain Cells grew into really BIG brains!
NASA determined that if a woman became pregnant in Space, that her baby's head would be too large to fit through the Birth Canal. (In 1988, that was the case for a friend of mine, but the Doctor just used his Surgical Scissors to make the Birth Canal wider.)
However, in 2029, NASA determined that every pregnant woman in Zero G would need a C-Section, something that Doctors on the Moon or Mars would not be able to do for some time.
In theory, a pregnant woman could be kept in an artificial "Earth Gravity" environment for ALL or most of her Pregnancy. But that raises issues of how she and the baby then transition to the Moon's Gravity (16% of Earth's) or Mars' Gravity (60% of Earth).
Another solution would be to return every pregnant woman back to Earth, for a C-Section. Obviously, that has NEVER been done before. We know even UN-pregnant Astronauts have trouble adjusting to Earth's Gravity, so it would compounded for a pregnant woman.
The implication is that Moon or Martian Colonies would NEVER be truly "independent" of Earth, if they constantly had to send all there pregnant woman to Earth to give birth via C-Section.
Scientists are working on immortality.
No need to torture women with pregnancy and childbirth.
One of the biggest obstacles to a large Mars colony is that you need only one nutcase, or one disgruntled person or terrorist, and the whole colony could be vulnerable to destruction. Somehow, redundancy would need to be built in -- kind of like watertight compartments in a ship. If one compartment is punctured, the whole ship does not flood and sink. But I don't know if one could build in sufficient redundancy in such a hostile, deadly environment as Mars.
You watched to many movies when you were young. We as humans will never get to mars. It will be 2050 and it will be the same story. Pushing missions back and back aaaaand postponing them. We are a special place species in this special reality.
@frankhernandez6524 let me have what your smoking 🚬
Or getting punctured by asteroids that would burn up if mars had an atmosphere
There already is one nutcase, Elon Musk. He's a wannabe authoritarian with a megalomaniac personality.
A network of caves.
Mars is obviously uninhabitable by human beings, but you haven't presented a compelling argument for not sending Elon Musk there.
We're only talking about Human life.
Blah, blah, get to the point what is he not telling us about Mars???
I can tell you what Musk is not telling us about Mars. NOBODY will ever be living on Mars. Why ?....because it's a shit idea.
it's far less hospitable than he's making it out to be.
Apparently Musk wants to make a "utopia" on Mars and leave us "losers" on Earth. At least according to the narrator. I think he's talking sh1t myself.
nothing. according to elmo, we should have been on Mars this year but his spaceships cannot even land on the moon yet. we cannot even "fix" the earth but somehow, Elmo is gonna terraform Mars. lmaoo
This
Why domes? If you want a transparent roof, use a flat one, topped with a couple feet of water ice, sealed on top to prevent sublimation. Air pressure would support it and sealing leaks would take nothing but water. Great radiation shielding. Makes a great greenhouse.
Domes are stronger than a square building.
Not if you have steel or concrete supports every fifty feet or so.@@Gord1812
Air pressure????? On mars??? Oh I forgot, Elon will bring enough air!
Keep the dome shape. Use ice. Call it an Igloo.
You put a flat roof over a crater that you seal airtight, fill it with breathable air. If you use Earthly, sea-level conditions, at 14psi, that'll hold up a very heavy roof. Like two-three feet of water ice. Very minimal support, just to keep it steady, and the air holds the thing up. Or excavate a space instead of using a readymade crater. Very simple, cheap design. Just don't let it depressurize or the roof falls in.
Regarding growing food, there is hydroponics and by extension aquaponics that would be usable. Bonus is that the latter also provides protein in the form of fish.
It’s course, it’s rough, it’s irritating…and it gets everywhere!
That's why one design I saw for missions left the EVA suits attached to the shelter/vehicle. Just had to brush off the rear suit entry hatch, rather than bringing in a nasty, dust covered suit inside of the shelter/vehicle.
I understood that reference! LOL
Mars sand is not like lunar regolith. Atmosphere and winds mean sand gets weathered, so it will be more like Earth sand.
@@caldodge it’s weathered basalt. But, it isn’t heavily oxidized like would happen on earth.
@@caldodgeAnother difference, other than the lack of oxidation is that martial regolith is also extremely saline. That has to be cleared first, before any bioremediation can be applied.
That said, there was one microorganism suggested for saline remediation, then alfalfa to become compost. Given light levels, one's likely looking at an entire sol before any prospective soil might be ready to use *and* that's assuming one could get a blessing from planetary protection, which is utterly unlikely.
What Musk is not telling us? You mean, like how Mars won't have any(ANY) sustained presence for decades??
Millennia ..probably.
@@MartinMartinX More likely. But if you say that to Musk fans, they freak out. At this point, it's a medical unknown what sustained 1/3G has on the human body.
And thats fine. We still need to work on it@@MartinMartinX
Маск не говорит вам о том что этот проект кто-то должен финансировать! И тут возникает дилемма... либо миллион людей пожелавших стать марсианами должны будут быть очень богатыми, вот только я сомневаюсь что эти люди полетят ради постоянного тяжелого труда, выживания и условий жизни, или должны быть созданы экономические условия на Земле... когда общество содержит за счет своих отчислений общество на Марсе! Потому что невозможно создать самодостаточное общество на Марсе без угнетения общества на Земле! Экономического равновесия не получается! Поэтому "города Маска на Марсе" это утопия! Много говорят о некой гуманистической или цивилизационной цели миссии "ради всего Человечества"... возникает вопрос, в чем проблемы Человечества ради которых нужно бежать на другую планету? Разве не целесообразнее решать суть самих проблем Человечества в месте его проживания а не бежать от них? Да и все проблемы Человечества созданы самим человеком, как от них убежать? Сам от себя не убежишь!)
Spacex will quietly be funded by the military. They want its delivery systems@@maxv1455
Musk is thinking about this too hard. He just needs to build a teleporter.
Jet powered rocket pants.
@@chriscurtain1816 I worked with someone like that. Stay off the elevator when he gets on.
@@bettertvreceptionwithfoilf7100 The trouble with my idea is
a) we don't have any jet powered rocket pants and
b) jet powered rocket pants don't actually exist outside the fictional cartoon strip 'Johnny Rocket Pants'.
If has ever what thinks never be there now lol
Good summary of the extreme difficulties involved. I figure Musk's thinking must be that if you have a vision and are relentless in your pursuit of it, you'll find a way. He may have a point.
Putin
100 millions tonnes of payload is beyond an extreme difficulty, not enough money in the world to lift that off the ground let alone mars
Elund's "vision" on this is not in line with common sense or objective reality. His kind of "vision" is the same as a child. Due to Elund's narcissistic personality disorder he is, emotionally speaking, stuck as a child inside... he just want's to be loved because his dad didn't like him.
@@jennyanydots2389 I always listen to internet randoms who can't spell in preference to extremely successful people.
@@rogermouton2273 Yeah, don't actually think for yourself... go off public and social media perception. Good logic. Lots of depth to your "intelligence" I'm sure. No wonder you're an Elund stan.
What will happen on Mars is the same as what happened on the Moon, there be a space race to get there first and because it's so shit it be decades or most probably centuries before it is even attempted again.
That's not why we stopped going to the Moon and we're fully aware of the Martian conditions before going so you're making no sense at all. Bath salts?
Look out for conservative politics
@@filonin2 No we aren't fully aware. We are trying our best to pretend.
Bro these comments💀 like you know the reason why it stopped is the presidents following Kennedy didn’t want to put money towards it, and because going to LEO was much more profitable science wise, atleast for that time. Now we have better equipment to study the environments of other celestial bodies so that we can properly understand things. We have studied mars EXTREMELY closely and we litterly have a whole plan ready for how the colony will unfold. This is the private industry now, things are completely different. Someone can’t get re elected to change the direction of things.
We hadn't found water on the moon back then. Water changes everything.
@12:20 the natives have interesting clothing choices 🤣
Why is there an image of Olympus Mons with a caption saying "This isn't good"?
Because this content creator is a morally bankrupt piece of s***
He just wants to keep the government money coming he’s not spending his own
Fake-news has entered the discussion.
well that goes for the average welfare recipient too, living on food stamps, and never having to work, while others do and pay their way with their taxes!
@@ronschlorff7089 you described nearly every red state sitting there with their hand out
LOL, back on your meds!@@Justmekpc
@@ronschlorff7089 What makes you think you can actually live on food stamps without having to do at least a part time job? Have you tried it?
It sounds like living on mars temperatures wise is like living in Saskatchewan. Lol
I dunno, I'd argue floating cities high enough in Venus' atmosphere still seem more human friendly than a small red dustball bombarded by space rocks and space radiation.
someone actually disagreed w/ me so hard about this once that they completely stopped talking to me over it. up to that point I'd known them for 15 years. I basically just stated what you did, and she lost her shit and disappeared.
@@sumdumbmick Damn :O
How is that even technologically feasible? Aren't you getting the same problems with low gravity, radiation, food scarcity, pressure difference?
@@alexchobanov Why would there be low gravity? You are still in the pull of the planet and since Venus is roughly the same size as Earth it should be very similar. Against radiation the buildings would be made of materials that keep it out. Pressure difference would be minimal since high enough in Venus' atmosphere it would be fairly normal not the pressure cooker hellhole. The real issue would be food honestly.
@@Mate397 I had assumed cities in orbit, as I am not aware of a technical solution that will allow us to build a floating city in atmosphere with current technology, but I guess I am missing something. What do you envision?
There’s also robot AIs and automated manufacturing. Things are developing rapidly in that space and will be the backbone of the underground Mars city.
"Things are developing rapidly in that space"
False.
"There’s also robot AIs and automated manufacturing"
False. It's so primitive to what is required for Mars.
"will be the backbone of the underground Mars city"
yeah, because a city in a cavern is the same as a space station.
“Whom the Gods wish to destroy, they first render insane”. Euripides. No atmosphere similar to earth, a barren wasteland, heavy radiation at certain times of the year, no natural food. Seems like paradise for intellectuals. Please send all politicians too.
❤
They build biospheres. More like theres something he isnt telling us about earth.
Living on Mars is more like living on the Moon
...than what?
Except it's farther away so everything is MUCH harder to do there, communication, resupply, emergency evac, all of that is not off the table, but fraught with difficulties and would need a LOT of redundancy to make sure the minimum required always actually arrived. To me this idea as an experiment purely makes a lot more sense on the moon, although building a LARGE (small city sized) space structure/station makes way more sense to me if you want us able to the off the planet and surviving.
A point about Mars dust: the dust particles on Mars are very sharp and jagged compared to earth dust due to the lack of friction between the particles not rounding off the edges. This means the wear and tear on both man and machine is very much worse, as is the problem of not being able to wash it off with liquid water.
Not true. There is friction between particles. Lunar dust is jagged because there is no wind to make particles rub against each other.
there is a new fabric, with a built in static charge to repel dust
There are dust devils and dust storms........!!!!@@caldodge
Lunar dust is worse. Mars dust is also toxic.
One of the biggest things you failed to mention is what the gravity difference is going to do to our organs, bloodstream, and bone, for any extended period. The gravity we have on earth is ideal for human anatomy. Toxic build-up in our bodies is biggest long term problem, once you can grow food, stay away from meteorites, survive the temperature swings, and radiation.
Looking forward on how private companies like SpaceX compete with countries like China on Mars, i.e. once landed on Mars.
I hope longterm Mars people will become independent from earth, hope they will have a more scientific mindset than people from earth..
AGI is almost here, doesn't matter really
Just like fusion energy: ready in ten years from now.
@@MichaelWinter-ss6lx If you find that comforting, carry on believing.
"Looking forward on how private companies like SpaceX compete with countries like China on Mars, i.e. once landed on Mars"
SpaceX will go bankrupt before reaching Mars.
It can't even send a probe or a rover to Mars.
And if you think SpaceX is in any way able to compete with China, you're out of your mind.
"I hope longterm Mars people will become independent from earth"
Oh dear,that will never happen, because the colonization of Mars is impossible.
Any settlement on Mars will never be self sufficient it will require support from Earth.
And if Earth decides to cut off that support, you can kiss your martians good bye.
Here's an idea for Mr. Musk: let's populate Sahara. The gravitational force is the same as on Earth. There is oxygen and some bio mass. Water is nearby. Wouldn't that be easier?
Elon Musk's whole Mars City plan is the possibility of circumventing extinction of ALL life on Earth maybe by nuclear war, giant meteor strike or some other global catastrophe.
Sahara is on Earth, Mars is not.
The water is not nearby if you are in the middle of the desert.
And the water nearby is mostly ocean water which needs to be treated before being drinkable.
Mars it is
You've just missed the entire point of colonizing another planet: To create a backup for our species
@@William0271 And of course the backup for our species is a radiation blasted cold wasteland that lost most of the resources needed for life to thrive, has little water and is energy poor.
This channel went from pure history with a side of current events to 100% conspiracy theory real dam quick.
Cool. But it begs a major question: Why ?
If earth goes down humantiy will still exist
Same reason a dog licks its own balls. Cuz it can. Nature`s nature I suppose.
@@dazinsun1116 Still ....Why ? Who is gonna miss a bunch of obnoxious Monkeys?
@@dazinsun1116 Mars will need constant supplies from earth.. if earth goes mars would quickly follow.
@@rogerwilco1777 Don't waste your time to explain simple stuff to people who listen to Musk's propaganda.
Inside a habitat floating in the atmosphere of Venus at about 50-60 km elevation is by far the least hostile environment for humans. Nearly the same gravity and atmospheric pressure with plenty of protection from cosmic radiation.
yes, this is definitely a better option. Closer to Earth too. Terraforming Venus is also possible (but very difficult with current technology).
@@davepastern There is too much evidence that human bodies will experience serious deterioration in micro gravity for extended times. Bone loss, muscle atrophy, organ damage, brain structure, and vision deterioration have already been observed.
just hope that the balloon doesn't pop
@@MrMoon-te5xw True, but it's not really a "balloon". A habitat with a simulated earth atmosphere inside would float in the more dense Venus atmosphere. Your human habitat would naturally float.
There is no water on Venus, that's a problem. Hydrogen can be obtained from acid clouds in the atmosphere of Venus, but it is very difficult.
We need to stop over on the moon 🌙 for about a month coming back from Mars before returning to Earth to give our bodies a chance to reacclimate to gravity.
Its possible to grow plants without soil with a hydroponic setup. But a better solution might be transporting enough organic matter to create a sustaining ecosystem in an enclosed and controlled environment
Aeroponics are more efficient and far more easily maintained. And both are maintenance intensive to begin with.
A bigger ball pain would be to design a closed ecosystem that's balanced.
Actually simply washing the soil with water can help remove the perchlorate. The water will dissolve the salt.
@@nihalbhandary162 Yeah. Then evaporate the water leaving the salt behind. The perchlorates are believed to be in partially hydrated form, so they would be a source of water (and hence oxygen).
Come on. Biosphere 2 (look it up on wiki) couldn't sustain itself _on Earth_. How would a smaller system sustain itself on Mars with much less sunlight, but high radiation, toxic soil, virtually no atmospheric pressure? It won't.
In the movie "The Martian" (the one with no martians), the astronaut finds an excellent source of "compost" to grow his potatoes in. (Astronaut poo.)
12:34
“Success is far from certain,
but excitement is guaranteed.“
~ A living Legend
Not sure that was how the Spanish conquistadores mustered their crews.
"Mars is also... Red! - It's a really cool color 😃" 💀😂
I wouldn’t trust anything Elon musk has to say about anything..!
The Mars Society is apparently trying to set up a Mars Technology Institute to solve some of these issues. Dr. Zubrin has always stated that we have to practical technological base to go to Mars and colonize the planet, it just a matter of engineering the application of that general base into specific technology. I hope and dream he is right.
Dream is right, why can't we do all that here where we have everything.
Not going to happen anytime soon!
He wants to drain all of Earth's natural resources on a whim.
@@batcollins3714 More like to indulge in delusions, not to dream
"Dr." Zubrin talks a lot. Musk is actually doing it.
Hi, I love your videos 👍 keep up the work!
Did Elon find the Prothean Archives?
Worse, they already have bases on mars, and he knows
Elon couldn`t find a bug if someone didn`t point it out to him. But his MO is more like this: At first, he denies it, steals the idea, and then claims it's his. Then, he buys a social platform and massively floods it with political propaganda. That is the man we want to start the new world? OK, you go. I`ll catch you guys up later on.
5:32 ...the "Martian" for error... 🤣🤷♀ I'm a dad.
IMHO Venus cloud city is a better bet. Mars' 1/3 gravity can't be messed with. If we can unlock the chemistry of Venus, maybe we can do something on Mars.
Yeah, all we have to do is invent the technology to extract minerals from an environment that can melt lead. Easy peasy!
I'd like to meet some of those girls I've been hearing about all these years ! I just hope they shave their legs and pits !
TLDR: Take carbon from Venus, add to mars. Bada bada boom, planetary transformation.
Possibly, moving the extreme excess carbon from Venus atmosphere to mars could help Mars’s atmosphere situation. My personal theory is that with enough transported carbon from Venus, we can rebuild mars atmosphere, which will heat up the planet, which will melt the ice caps and atomically energize the planet. With the water from the ice caps and carbon from Venus, we could extract oxygen from the water using photosynthesis and over a long period of time, create a livable atmosphere. Yes this would take a very long time, but possibly shorter than some other methods.
Edit: added tldr
What about those moons around jupiter and saturn?
The problem is the low gravity. But the water moon of Europa is definitely worth a colony.
the ones surrounding jupiter are highly radioactive , otherwise they are better destinations.
@@tyharris9994 But they are much far away from earth.
@@airgunningyup Good point. I was thinking sub-surface. I know ice is a good radiation blocker.
@@Bhuvan_MS Meh. Nuclear rockets will cut that down eventually.
Great video
Not so sure why people think that living in a box on mars is so psychologically bad. Living in a box in a large city is not so different.
The difference is that on Earth you can go for a walk under a blue sky, breathing air, and eat whatever you want. The difference is that on Earth you have freedom of movement while on Mars you're in the greatest Supermax ever conceived.
@@mikeb.7068 Bro if there be people, they won’t care bout any stress. These will be not your average joes with stack of disorders by default, but selected individuals, probably from military. They have no your average stress 😅
Just another "hyperloop" project from a guy who used to own Paypal; he invented nothing.
Hardly. Starship in itself is a world changing creation.
He writes cheques designs nothing.@@bb5979
@@bb5979 It is nothing ground breaking other than just a carrier rocket.
Wow the Elon haters are out in force today. Yeah, you're right ... he didn't invent anything (oh wait, there's another Tesla driving by that he and his company invented).
@@bb5979 it sure changed the world of the nesting birds and the turtles that got killed or driven away by his space rockets-
Excellent presentation. Well done 👍.
You paraphrased Elon's statement. Elon is concerned about the distant future of the human race. He figures better sooner than later to develop space travel.
No, Elon is concerned about getting another crowd-funding scam off the ground, and leeching more government subsidies off the taxpayers.
But only for white people.
Felon is concerned about one thing, and it certainly ain't humanity fool.
Anyone who doesn't understand that colonizing Mars is the single hardest thing that has ever been attempted in the history of man also doesn't understand how he would have felt if he hadn't eaten breakfast yesterday.
Nobody has attempted to colonise Mars.
where do I sign up?
Your eyes do not explode in a vacuum, let alone low pressure.
...but it does make your hemorrhoids worse.
@@freewheeler8924😂
No but the fluid inside them boils, then anything left freezes.
Your blood will be boiling, you won't be too concerned with your eyes.
@@freewheeler8924 😂
Everybody should be wary about random Elon's ideas. Sending 1 million people to a hostile planet is not a joke.
It's no big deal if you're not the one going!
I find it absolutely hilarious.
By the time they do it there will already be facilities in place carved by those who get there first and automated builders.
Putting a man on Mars is an achievable goal and one that we should aspire too. But quantum AI Robots will be even better. When Robot technology gets good enough we need to use it to build a Martian colony suitable for man to live. The Xman
He never said the future of man is on Mars, but don't let a clickbaity misquote of Musk get in your way.
It would be easier to live under the ocean then to go to Mars.
Not really.
I think you are missig the point, you would still be on Earth.
@@Doogukit would also be easier to just live in a space colony in earth's orbit.
@@jazzensemble Why are you replying to me? It's the OP you should be telling this to.
What changes if these people make it to mars? Once the planet's habitat is mastered then what are we to do? kill it again 😂 earthlings going to mars doesn't change the fact that you're an earthling. You're still hateful, envious, killers, emotional creatures and there os life on mars but once you get their if their not ideal or intimidating you'll try and kill them as you've done on earth and then the cycle starts all over just on a different planet. There's no running from what's already in store for us you don't get a chance to ruin another species world because you're so far on your high horse. No! First you fix what you've messed up hear then we can consider indulging an alien planet or alien species, simply stated turn your God's complex down a notch.
Yall have fun on Mars I'm stayin on Earth. Send me a postcard when you get there.
Even if we eventually step foot on Mars and attempt to colonize it -- and even if it's because of Elon Musk and SpaceX that we accomplish that -- Elon, himself, will never step foot there.
I don't get why people talk about Martian soil when surely a close system hydroponic set-up would be best?
There are different hydroponic varients that don't require any soil at all.
Well the problem is we don't know how plants will grow in low gravity, will the roots act differently.
@@livingart2405 That is a separate issues from soil though? It is only slightly less gravity. Only one way to find out. I am surprised they don't know already.
There is already a city on Mars. The Cydonia region is home to the eroded remains of an ancient civ that once existed there. Look at the ESA images taken by Mars Express. It looks as if most of the Mesas and Landforms have been altered and sculpted and show animals, birds, and human beings. We are a little bit late to the Martian party.
That's a big plus with Mars.... No Bears! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
... that we know of 😅
There could be Mars... Bars?
or lions and tigers,,, I think there is a stawman around here somewhere
Elon is aiming to get to mars to get Government funding and support. From watching this video it’s not real smart to colonize Mars! 😂
I think one option to avoid the perchlorate problem is to use the soil extracted from the tunnels to grow food on the surface. Tunnel dirt will likely have less perchlorate content (depending on the tunnel location) and require less processing with water.
I cannot fathom how the pros of Mars outweigh the Pros of a colony in the atmosphere of Venus.
Teraform Mars with plantlife first. Transparent domes to trap in heat. Plants love CO2. But they need nitrogen, dirt and water. Build several terrarium domes anchored to ground. Then grow a jungle of plants including fruit trees and vegetables for human food.
Plants produce oxygen.
So people could live inside dome. Or can fly back home.
Cameras can monitor plant growth.
Every NASA probe launch ought to be dropping cargo containers too lol
The idea of going to Mars is a lunacy.
It represents a true psychosis.
In comparison to taking the subway everyday in NYC, lunacy of Terran politics, unaffordability of living on earth, the destructive bent of bored mega billionaires and the council of 13, the martian frontier seems like a dream.
MAtt DAmon's greatest role was in Team America World Police.
The movie Space Between Us, is a documentary, everything he stated about the difference on the human body making the transition from Mars to Earth was spot on in the movie
unless it included the long term effects of cosmic radiation, it left out the biggest issue.
the problem with Mars is there is no gay sex
What about Titan? It's further but has many usable resources already there waiting for us.
Wouldn't it be better to build a million houses here 4 million people to live in let alone somewhere that's virtually impossible😅😮😢
When that glass dome gets hit with a meteor it’s game over
Meteors striking the dome are the least of the concerns, even then it would only drain the dome and the sub areas and tunnels would automatically seal at a breach, not all would be lost if the design was even half decent.
Elon you been to Mars yet Nope! i aint sayin Nuffin!
"Opportunity" proved that the Mars atmosphere is great for robots. So why not keep sending robots to prepare everything for humans.
Pretty sure they will. This video is just a cope
Amazing how that helicopter worked with 1% atmosphere
a) If future leads us to underground settlements, than why on mars? Why not on earth?
b) Perhaps it would be easier to construct O'Neil cylinders using asteroid material and using the waste asteroid material to suround the cylinders as a shiled against micro metheorites. The metals of the asteroid would be used to construct the cylinders and the rest would be the shield. An O'Neil cylinder is a huge cylinder rotating along its legth axis thus creating artificial gravity on the inside. You would always have to construct 2 such cylinders rotating in the oposite direction for reasons of physical stability.
Minor point here, but still worth bringing up: meteorites don't hit the upper atmosphere; that's done by meteors, which change into meteorites only when they hit the earth's surface.
There is a Kurzgesagt video on terraforming Venus which involves using a giant mirror to cool down the planet, allow the carbon in the atmosphere to freeze, then send the carbon elsewhere. If we do this, we could, in theory, use the extra carbon from Venus to slowly build the atmosphere of mars. Use the excess from Venus to fill the emptiness of mars
That video is overlooking something. Namely the heat on Venus doesn't come from the sun. The sulphuric acid clouds which cover all of Venus is highly reflective. Most of the sun light doesn't make it to the surface. The heat on Venus comes from the formation of the thick atmosphere. As the atmosphere thickened it generated heat due to the compression of the athmospheric gases. Since the atmosphere is largely carbon dioxide, very little of that heat escapes to space. I'm sure the cloud cover plays a role in the heat retention too. So reflecting the sun light away from Venus isn't going to do much to cool down the planet. You need to take away 98.91 percent of the atmosphere to cool Venus down.
define "dying earth": what would a dead earth look like? Mars?
Elon Musk: lets send a million people to Mars for 'excitement'.
I’m glad all you people are going to Mars. I’ll just stay here on earth and live happily ever after.
The best planet we should work on fixing up should be earh.
Meteors do not burn up because of friction. They burn up because their mass compresses the air in front of them as they fall.
People complaining about winter on earth wait til there on Mars and it’s -200 degrees 😂
Technically, your blood doesn't boil with the exception of the capillaries and your eyes will not bulge out of your head. As you experience rapid decompression, your body experiences something called the bends or decompression sickness (DCS). Now this also depends on what the pressure is in the habitat. Will we live at earth sea level pressures of approximately 14psi or will we live at lower pressures? You can survive exposure to low pressure environments for short periods of time and if you can get to safety quickly, will then have to sit in a specially modified hyperbaric oxygen chamber for hours to slowly release the nitrogen from your blood and tissues so as to not cause permanent damage.
All the current plans for growing food in space are missing the point (also this video), that all higher life on Earth is sustained by microbial ecosystems. THIS is what "soil" means, not the mineral base (this one could be called "dirt"). Bacteria, fungi and plant roots together can very easily create organic compounds from minerals. That doesn't work in hydroponic culture, which is mostly sterile. What we need to establish on Mars is composting! This is such a key process (recycling of all kinds of organic matter), still no one talks about it...
In "The Martian" movie they also missed this point. (Poop would need to be composted first, which is a microbial process. Our excrements can't feed plants directly, they would die from the concentrated chemicals in it!)
Should have titled this: "Stuff the People interested in Space Already Know."
What's overlooked about Mars is how low the gravity is and the negative effect this is likely to have on the human metabolism. I 'm pretty sure the logistics of those issues will be just one of the many obstacles to be overcome and not easily surmountable.
I once lost a tooth on Mars, I should have sued Cadbury!
A colony on Mars is, along with all his projects, are the dreams of a ten year old.
Dream as big as possible. That’s what I like about Elon. His views might be unrealistic, but the passionate declaration of “MORE, MORE, FARTHER, FARTHER!!!” Is how we evolve and push forward as a species.
I suspect Elon knows his dreams won’t happen in his lifetime. But the pressure and the drive and the grind to make it happen; that desire for all of us who hope to die on Mars; that is a powerful force. That makes it “feel” real. In the way the idea of putting footprints on the Moon did, all those decades ago.
Logic is important. Indeed, it is vital. But passion pushes the limits of our logic, and drives us to expand our logic.
Mars only looks red from a distance because of dust. It’s more of a butterscotch colour. Depending on what minerals there are at different locations it also looks tan, gold and even a bit greenish.
I STILL don't understand why there isn't more discussion about creating artificial gravity for the trip there. A slowly tumbling Starship with a 60 second rotational period could provide just enough centrifugal force (0.05g) to minimize the effects of 0G on the human body. The crew would still have to exercise to maintain strength but it would avoid blood pooling in the brain and around other vital organs.
Whatever anyone might say about Earth...you have to admit, it is one precious little planet out in the middle of nowhere...
Luna, Venus, and Mars are not our only or best options. The Jovian moons have much to offer when we can overcome the distances involved.
Why go anywhere else when we have gorgeous Earth??