NGC Open Box - Worst Open Box Yet?
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2022
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Ben, love the way you deliver this sort of discussion. All points of assessment are suitably explained and wonderfully presented to the viewer, all while the dialog gets peppered with a funny line or two ("it's hard to dip one side of a coin"), or a side-bar riff, and then back on-point. It's a wonderful conversation that I suspect many of us take joy in partaking, and we're very glad to have you around.
Hi, Ben. The 1913 Buffalo is beautiful. I don't know why it came back as a 64, but I will live with it. It's for my collection and nfs, so c'est la vie. Thanks for your help with it. *TYU*
Nice D!
Yeah, that's the type of lowball grade that is fun to hunt for!
Oh cool we’re most of these your coins?
Buffaloes are known for those soft strikes.
That 17 T1 SLQ is struck so well I'm surprised the honchos at yoootooob haven't put a no-no on this video 😉 😉
I thought the 13 Buffalo might have gone 65, but that 53 quarter is a great example of a very smooth problem free piece. Thx
Love the 1853 Arrows & Rays. Excellent type variety.
full head AND full shield on the type 1, great strike
Some disappointments but...GREAT share anyhow!!! I've always loved those rays on the quarter!!! Lots of history through your hands today!!!
I have submitted many nickels over the years. I have concluded that the color of the nickel is a major determining factor in seperating gem grades from MS64 and under grades. And by that l mean, the color of the metal of nickel off the press is a unique tone of gray. It is dark and bright at the same time, almost glassy and glossy. This is most apparent on all buffalo nickels years and Jefferson nickels from 1939-1969. When that glossy dark color to the nickel fades to a lighter colored gray and less glassy more muted luster, the details could be MS68 all day, but without a doubt grading companies will knock it two or three grades lower. I've been gutted by it numerous times. Hope this helps.
That 1853/854 is a sweet coin.
Great video! Always learn a lot on your unboxing graded videos.
That standing,liberty,.25, is NICE!
Tough sledding on this one. The SLQ’s all appeared cleaned to me right at first glance. I agreed with NGC on all of their grades this time. I’m hoping to do a bit better with my submission fingers crossed 🤞🏻
Thanks for sharing
One for the books great show ben I liked the 1917 p as well😮💨
The grading co. Have favorites! To keep their coins, worth more! That's the fact, jack!
Some tough ones there Mr Geek but I really really like that 1915 gold eagle!
Ben for the 1864 two cent piece you said that there are a pair of varieties, a small date & large date- it's actually small MOTTO & large MOTTO that were shown towards the end of the video
It seems like NGC has started net grading down coins with toning. Cents and nickels especially have been getting bumped down a grade or two.
Oh MAN! That's what I call a bad day at the graders. My experience (which is somewhat limited) had informed me that NGC was far superior to PCGS in the "not jerking you around" department. But now I'm not so sure... I guess now it's a contest?
Tough set of reveals there, Ben. I feel for you and your customers on most of those.
I submitted to NGC a 1986 G25 for grade because it's safer in a slab versus a flip. It came back as a MS69 which is what I expected, but the label shows it as being a G10. Looked at my paperwork and it was submitted correctly. So I suppose I have a nice error label.
I think the reason for the MS64 on the (beautiful) buffalo was the poor strike on the obverse. The strike wasn't very good, and the rim was actually a little bit faded on the right side of the obverse due to poor strike.
They should have at least put a + grade on the 1913 !????!!
Great to see the 1853/854 SLQ. Learned something on that one. I guess the poor grader had someone spit in his oatmeal that day.
The one thing Ben forgot to mention was I bought it as the variety off ebay in a PCGS VF35... needless to say it surprised me when I got it back.
Congratulations on the upgrade!
If that 89 cc come back good i want it.
What is it with 1916 and 1917 coinage? Almost all silver coins from that era are extremely "grainy", typically with muted luster and the surface looking like orange peel. The closeup of the quarters demonstrates that.
While watching this vid, I got out my ms62 slq to see if it, too, had the grain that caught my eye. Was even going to comment to Ben that he should do a vid on the variable surface quality of MS-grade silver (and gold)? Thanks for raising the point.
@@ericdelmar2618 My 1917 SLQ, 1916 Walking Liberty and 1916 Merc dimes all exhibit that distinct look. Then in 1918, it's lustrous again. I have a 1915 Pan-Pac Half that also looks grainy.
On a plus side to the buffalo nickel it being that undergraded could leave it eligible for a gold cac. I think what happened is they saw one cleaned coin and went extra hard on your submission
I can't believe they wouldn't put the 89cc in a holder and call it "super damaged" or something like that. In my opinion they should at least holder it for you as it's one of the highest value Morgans.
"Super Damaged". You should TM that one!
Body Bag ! 🛢️ lol👍🤣
these grading companies are a sham, I haven't sent any in but if I were to I would just have them authenticated, these graders are too much
These coin grading companies pushing people away from Mechanical Cleaning and into Acid Cleaning is to me atrocious. I spent hours polishing a Morgan to remove the hills and valley's left on a dirty Morgan that was over dipped. They say mechanical cleaning is so bad but I don't think they study modern polishing techniques at all, It's like they are stuck living in the 1980s.
When you are buying an expensive high grade coin you need to look at it as if you were a coin shop buying it from someone needing money. Look at every single flaw , count them up. Then proceed with a more realistic price. And go off blue book value not the red book
Those co. Clean coins, and call it restored! Dbl. Standard🤔
They think everything is cleaned!
I have a 1920 quarter that has a pitted look looks AU+ but I won't submit it. Looks similar to yours probably dipped too long or sat in acetone
Re grade at ANACS,WILL BE HIGHER!
We need to play Tabs over this submission.
Detail coins still have value
As much as I complain about grades I get back you have to look at it as they are market makers. They are taking the position if you were the buyer how would you feel about questionable things like is it a scratch or damage or not, Especially when factoring in there guarantee mean they will buy back to Coin at fair market value if their grade guarantee doesn’t hold up
The last few years the grading services have gotten stricter but I think that that is helping the hobby keeping values of problem free coins higher by holding them to a higher standard
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NGC will not call any Details coin "Full Head".
I get an 1853 over an 1852 but how over an 1854? I thought the idea was "laziness" from one year to the next not wanting to recast the dye so making a 4 where a 3 used to be.
As much as I complain about grades I get back you have to look at it as they are market makers. They are taking the position if you were the buyer how would you feel about questionable things like is it a scratch or damage or not, Especially when factoring in there guarantee mean they will buy back to Coin at fair market value if their grade guarantee doesn’t hold up
I think the grading services have gotten tougher in the last few years but I think that that is strengthening the market and increasing value keeping problem free coins held to a higher standard but that’s just my opinion
I think the little lumps above the arrow on the 1853 quarter could be die corrosion. See most 1833 quarters to see lots of what I think this is.
I can assure its the variety as I checked using the 'Comprehensive Encyclopedia of Seated Quarters', and the photos in there matched what was on the coin. Honestly, I don't understand how some of these people can figure that stuff out!
@@DogKama The variety could still have die corrosion on most of the strikes, as with the 1833 quarter. Just a thought.
@@johnskujins8870 Ah ok. I thought you were saying it wasn't the variety and just corrosion. Sorry about the confusion.
Type 1 coins appear dipped
I am surprised cleaned coins are graded, I would be OK with cleaned coins not being graded. I think the coin market would be ugly without the top grading services.
As much as I complain about grades I get back you have to look at it as they are market makers. They are taking the position if you were the buyer how would you feel about questionable things like is it a scratch or damage or not, Especially when factoring in there guarantee mean they will buy back to Coin at fair market value if their grade guarantee doesn’t hold up
I disagree that MS 63 is average
Before the advent of third-party grading services ie pre-1986, the references or terms BU choice BU, Gem BU, we’re MS 60 MS 63 and MS 65 respectively
With the advent of the Internet and Ebay in particular everyone uses the term Gem BU is tossed around so that Gem BU has now become the average
So I do believe the Reed 63 is better than average it’s not a gym but anyone who has collected or dealt for any length of time understands to get the MS 65 grade on any non-modern coin is a pretty solid accomplishment
And considering 63 is just two notches below and 64 would represent very choice just missing gem, I think the 63 grade is being under sold for missunderstood by many people
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The Morgan looks odd will be interesting to see if it is fake.
@5:30 The mint marks on them were huge with
@5:37 a cute little date with a
@5:38 Big Fat S on there who
@5:42 had a reverse clean who
@5:57 you want it to look like that not like that
Ben Ben he’s the man…can you send me Morgan as fast as you can?? (89-CC preferred)
Body Bag
drop them and go PCGS or ANACS
The 13 type 1 is undergraded
Comment down below.
So those gorgeous quarters are in the same holder as scratched whized coins...🤔 dosnt seem right to me.
It's because the quarters (I had them sent in) are rare dates like that 1909-S Indian Cent, so by putting them in the holder its acknowledging they're real. Just beat up but real. Ben's Morgan is an oddity because it is a rare date/mint and even in a details holder people would buy it knowing its real, so leaving it raw like that makes it harder to sell because now people will see the damage and question why it wasn't sent in.
Great points. Seated Quarters are my favorite series and I would have sent those dates in too no matter the condition
So why would someone file a rim on a coin?
The real question is why would someone file a rim on a Copper coin? Gold, silver, ok I get that...
Sometimes rim filing is done to hide the damage to a coin that was inadvertently caused from mounting it in jewelry. PCGS has a good video on Filed Rims. See Time index: 2:00 - 3:36 from the video below:
"Filed Rims, Questionable Color & Cleaning - PCGS No Grades: Part 1"
ruclips.net/video/VLE9-DZwMpI/видео.html
I am failing to understand how they stamp 1853 / 1854 and why would they stamp last year over the next year's coin. Seems kind of weird to print last year over a brand new coin of the current year. Sounds like b******* to me
The buff,is a ripoff! 67!
I'm thinking about sending in a bunch of coins that have Graffiti to be Net Graded. I think it would be cool to have a group of coins in slabs that all say "Damage" where your coins say "Cleaned" 🤠
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