Moulding Planes | Paul Sellers
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- In this video Paul gives an overview into the moulding plane and its uses.
We might easily be disaffectionate to the forebears of woodworking, who so enriched our lives with the most wonderful woodworking ever created, using only their bare hands and tools they made to work with. For a short run of moulded stock, moulding planes can be immediate and quite inexpensive. Many ‘old-timers’ kept them around to replicate old moulds and also to develop modern alternatives with their own proven technology.
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Did anyone else's jaw drop when he 45 degree mitre cut those trim mouldings by hand? I can't even get that right with a guide!
As a professional carpenter/joiner or cabinet maker you cut so many of the common angles like 90 degrees and 45 degrees it becomes second nature on small stock like moldings. You would still cut to a line or knife cut on anything larger. Also if you have a large amount to do you would spend 5 mins and make a small mitre box so even less chance of inaccuracies.
You can also use the reflection in the saw plate to judge the angle by eye - if the reflection looks like a 90° angle then you must be cutting close to a 45° cut 😊
Yes, i think the same. Thats amazing. Great Job
DO NOT FORGET THE SCALE... the longer the piece with "the line"... then the easier to see deviation. It's not hard to get something that "looks about right" for three inches... WHOLE NEW CATEGORY when you want a foot or more to "track right"... and another WHOLE NEW CATEGORY when you want something to even look "close" with ten feet or more... a hundred feet... a thousand feet.
On that same note, the "artist's cheat" is to scale WAY longer than necessary to introduce deviation, and thereby "negate" it as you scale down in work... SO using a hundred foot long measuring cord, you can "sight out" operations more accurately when it comes down to the two or three inch degrees... It's weird, but it works. ;o)
I think I was the most amazed when he just eyeballed that miter.
Insane lol.
Me too.
Paul's stuff is the best woodworking information on the internet. Period.
His videos are laid out in a manner that is easy to understand.
The methodology does not require 5,000.00 or more worth of machine tools (this is a frustration for many of us)
His books and website are great value to anyone interested.
I love watching you teach. ❤️
I just love woodworking by hand. I wish I could make a hobby business out of it, but sadly I have no extra time with all my other jobs and interests. LOL. It's all a choice of what you want with life I guess. This was marvelous. Thank you.
Paul, Thank you. An expanded fourth edition of British Planemakers was just released in January 2020 by Astragal Press. For anyone interested, Matthew Bickford is the author of an excellent book on using moulding planes. The title is Mouldings in Practice published by Lost Art Press. Please be careful with the metal hammer those planes are museum pieces! Best... David
Metal hammers were used on them over the years. I use metal hammers on planes.
I got some molding planes passed on from my great grandfather. Those were just random junk for others but a real treasure for me the moment i saw them. Thanks for another great lesson Paul!
Thanks for the overview. I'm keeping my eyes out for a groove plane...
Paul I was in Bath outside a Sansbury's at a jumble sale. One stall had a couple of moulding planes and I bought a 1/4 beading plane. Turns out according to Goodmans book that it was a Gabriel made plane from 1768 and it works perfectly. I bought it for 2 Pounds 50p and I would not trade it for the world!
Goodman's British Planemakers is now available in a 4th revised edition, not expensive - excellent book by Jane Rees.
I have been waiting for this video for a LONNGGGGG time!! Thanks Paul!
In another life, I should have liked to have been a plane maker. I made one for a furniture repair job and received much satisfaction from making and using it.
Wow! How amazing, now I know why antique furniture is so expensive, so many hours of work like this.
Amazing craftsmanship 😊
I was advised to start with a few sets of rounds and hollows, I also have a few moulding planes. Dado planes are my favourite, or at least they are until I get a router plane. I wanted to put a shelf in a piece of plywood that was at an angle. I needed a dado for the shelf's joint but I couldn’t work out how to get the angle with my power router, but it was easy with a dado plane.
I really struggled with my complex moulding planes until I saw a video explaining the cross on the back shows the angle the plane should be held at.
I started woodworking because I wanted to make better quality frames, it’s these planes that really opens that out for me.
I love the 'realness' of Paul's videos, maybe because it’s indicative of Paul’s honesty and integrity.
A wonderful video, thank you very much.
Awesome video, your knowledge on woodworking and tools are very impressive.
Superb information thanks
Thank You for Your Time and Effort in Making This Wonderful Video
I see these at flea markets and second hand stores here in the US and assumed they were worthless junk. Now I know better.
I saw a clip recently of a Sash Plane in use for the constriction of window frame sections.
The one hand tool had two blades and two profiles. On what would be the outside of the frame it cut a square rebate to accept the glass and on the inside it cut a decorative moulding.
Would be great to see him make a trim plan or tongue and groove. Thank you and you are inspiring!!
A dam pleasure to watch and learn.
Inspiring, thanks.
Thank you for the introduction to moulding planes. I have several complex profile planes but they are in poor shape with cracked bodies and badly pitted irons. Even though they are unusable they are wonderful to handle and imagine their sound as you glide them across the edges of your work. Take care and have a good weekend.
Try compressing the wood with glue to see if you can bond the cracks.
Thanks Paul!!! Very informative. Right on time too because I’ve started investigating into molding planes. It’s like you read my mind. Keep up the good work friend!
Mr Sellers. Thank you. Your best video ever. What a great subject. I love those planes. Very pleased. It could have been a much longer video. "Look at that. Look what we got"👍
I've got a Record Multi Plane 405 in the box with the cutters and I love it. When you want to do a bit of moulding or even slitting it's brilliant. Thanks for the memories Paul.
“Adjustment by hammer”. Love the term. I use this procedure often. I always called it “fine calibration”. 🤣
"fine calibration" I like that! My grandfather referred to it as "attitude adjustment"
Lol, I like to call it "Gentle Persuasion".
Interesting how you solved your clamping issue. I’m glad you worked it out on camera. Clamping is a constant issue for me. Preventing clamp marks too. Great video as usual. Many thanks, Paul
You know the famous saying: How many clamps should a woodworker have? Just one more!
Snort455
Use wood on planes for the clamping and if you are in a situation where you cannot fit wood in you can make little sleeves for the clamp that can use cloth, leather or anything soft that will reduce compression marks on the wood.
Paul, some day can you do a video explaining what all the tools are you have in the hutch behind you?
I was into molding planes this week. Great to find this video!
Thanks! Video quality is absolutely jaw-dropping by the way, best I've seen on YT so far.
Some topic are vast, and specific. I was at book store, and there was three volume set of books on wood finishing.
Thankyou.
Its freeing to see how rough he is with his planes.
It's the same in America, Paul. Round has the round sole, a hollow has the concave one. We got it honest from the UK.
Did this crazy-skilled man, at 18:00 just free-hand a 45 degree miter by eye, and do a better job than I can with a miter-box? OMG!
Another inspiring moment with Paul Sellers. I'm new to woodworking and this video compelled me to buy a handful of antique moulding planes at eBay. They'll be arriving in a few days. I can't wait to start experimenting and learning some new skills. Thanks, Paul!
Agreed, very pleasant indeed. The watching I mean. I'm sure I'd go mental trying to get it half as good as you.
When you do something enough times you get good at it and learn by your mistakes.
Awesome subject and Great video!!! Thank You ,,, I'll keep my eyes open and start looking for these .
I never knew and never face any thought to it ,,, until now .
It's a great but if woodworking history that deserves to be remembered and kept alive
That is a wonderful introduction. What I have always wondered though: how does one sharpen the blades? Obviously not on a flat stone....
ericUtr hi, paul has a video on sharpening a molding plane.
ruclips.net/video/NcuahhR-Weo/видео.html
Thank you Paul! I will certainly keep a watch out for these amazing tools!
Thanks again Paul.
Hollows and Round molding planes are made in matched pairs to form Ogees of different widths.
Excellent and very interesting.
I see these at Vide Greniers here in France. I've bought several and fully intend to restore and use them. Occasionally you see a box of twenty of them, but the whole box is generally out of my price range...
thanks for sharing paul
Can remember my father using moulding planes in his workshop.
I know one can make their own, I'd just like to know on the "how to make", especially the more complex profiles. To be honest, I'd rather learn it from Paul Sellers than anyone else.
If you make an actual simple profile such as a single curve you can then use that profile to create more profiles.
This was very educational Paul thanks for sharing. You can tell how deep molding topics go by how cluttered the bench is by the end of the video while the surface of the topic was just grazed
The thing that scares me about molding planes, when i think about them, is that moment when you have to sharpen the blade....oh my gosh!
Fantastic video!
I have a question on how did they do curve path in the corners? Dedicated plane with radius? And even on round tables.
The book in question is available on Amazon for just £244.
4th edition is available now. Alot cheaper and more comprhensive.
Could you do a video on making a moulding plane? Maybe show how to modify an old or broken iron to create a profile?
The main drawback is sharpening, next is grain direction. I reckon that’s why the router took over. They are cheap to buy still. Nice and quiet.
By router I assume you mean a power router?
They can leave horrible tearout if you do not understand the grain.
Thank you Sir
I'm worried that now you've made this, I'm going end up paying a lot more at bootsales for moulders. 😂
I can’t find them near me at all.
You can also make your own.
Thanks Paul. I use my rabbet planes a fair amount to clean up the mess made by my machines so I guess I'm only on the way to hand tools and not yet arrived.
Superb. A great video.
I have seen two planes used to create a more complex shape and it’s quite an exciting process perhaps you might touch on this in the future.
Hi Paul, I love your videos. I am a beginner and I am restoring some vintage planes. I got a rebate plane that has a depth stop with no screw in it, how can I remove it?
I found a similar one called a Moseley moving fillister.
Thanks
I got a skew rebate plane in a job lot of wooden planes. I love it as it cuts better than my metal shoulder plane. I have used it for rebates and for trimming tenons.
I was interested in the round and hollow planes as they are used for making the edge to edge joins on carvel hulls (ie smooth as opposed to clinker or lapstrake construction).
You can use them for making doors and windows as well as other carpentry work.
Thanks a lot, Paul!
It is very necessary, and useful information for me.
Very interesting topic of manufacture
such planers yourself. What wood was used to make moulding planers? Thank you!
Nice work! A very quick tour ;-) Lovely "machines" those planes, I've got a few to recondition and get into use on picture frames and the like. More like this, please.
Dude just eyeballed a 45 like it was nothing and just kept on talking.... H O L Y SHIT. Thats goals right there.
It is not a perfect cut that he made but it is very close and to an acceptable level. If you wanted to he could make a perfect fit
What a wonderful video, thanks Paul! One question I've had about molding planes (especially complicated shaped ones)... how the hell do you sharpen those things?
dk builds hi, paul has a video on sharpening a molding plane.
ruclips.net/video/NcuahhR-Weo/видео.html
I hear you speak of an out of print book on molding planes. Have you heard of the publisher Forgotten Books. I have the book it says is by John Ross Macduff , The Morning Watches, and Night Watches. I also have an original by this Rev. John... It has the date December 25, 1851
My great grandfather used a sticking board instead of a vise or clamps...
If you are doing a lot of such planing you can make jigs that allow you to use as a guide.
Very inspiring ! Thank you ! Must be necessary to be very selective when choosing timber especially in DIY sheds, to try and find something that IS straight and not full of knots - timber these days seems appalling from such retail outlets ! It must be lovely to use these planes on decent oak ! Maybe reclaimed timber ?
Retail outlets is just cheap wood. You can still use it and there is a purpose to that wood. Fine furniture requires a higher grade of pine wood.
While upstairs downstairs did apply to the type of wood that was used pine was still used in fine furniture.
Hey Paul, Great video! Was wondering if you could broach the subject of restoring/repairing or modifying these planes to make them fit for service?? Encounter many that could use a little love to bring them back to life! All the best
John
Bonjour , j ai adore cette video mm si je comprend rien de vos propos mais les images me font bien tout comprendre. J ai moi meme de vieux rabot et suis tres ennuie car il ne coupe pas assez ou mal réglé, par manque de pratique mais ne desespere pas d y arrive
Merci encore,
It would be interesting to see how these are sharpened. Do you sharpen in the same way as regular plane irons?
if you look back through Pauls videos there is on on how to sharpen them
He showed us that four years ago. It's still on RUclips.
Great video Paul! Now I have some more tools to hunt down for building my hand tool only shop. Do you think it would be possible to make your own molding planes like you did with the poor man's rebate plane?
love it
Have you ever read "The Village Carpenter" by Walter Rose? It is a good book for anyone who enjoys using hand tools and history.
Nolen Dwight thank you I will look for this
Superb video again. Just curious as to what makes the reverse moulding for the more complex moulding planes. A moulding plane?
Nicely done and presented, as usual. Are there any other books you would recommend on moulding planes? Styles, cuts, how to restore/sharpen, how to design/make your own? Thanks Mr. Sellers.
Thomas Russell it may be in his handtools book
Have you any Japanese planes Paul? If so can you do a video on them. Do they date back even further and what's your thoughts on them? You could add this question perhaps to your Qn'A.
How do you grint the blade?
Thanks, Paul...the price of moulding planes just went up to a hundred bucks on the auction site! LOL
I need to replace a moulded piece of wood in a window frame that has rotted away. I haven't got a plane with a suitable shape. Do I make a custom made plane or what? Any suggestions? Thank you.
You can make your own plane to the profile of the existing moulding. It really depends on the moulding that is on your window.
It may be a custom moulding that is already there so to match you may need to make a custom set.
I’m curious what could have led 3 people to downvote this.
Wow
In the U.S. hollow = cove, round = bead.
Michael Gross Bob Rozaieski (apologies Bob for any misspelling) refers to them as hollows and rounds the way round Paul said. Maybe it’s one of those things that has several names.
1:32 “…and I’m not really all that interested in mouldings” No, neither am I - mouldings really aren’t much of a thing anymore. Still, I’d say spending 20 minutes to watch this video are 20 minutes well spent. Great stuff as always.
It depends on your woodwork style. Mouldings can look stunning on manythings.
Can I get a title and author for that boo? I'd like to search for it
What's with this upstairs and below stairs wood choices? I'm assuming below stairs refers to a basement also?
‘Upstairs’ and ‘Downstairs’ (somewhat archaic now) refers to the class of people for whom the furniture would be for: e.g. Mahogany, Walnut and exotics for the gentry, professional and upper class (upstairs), mundane cheaper lower grade timbers for the utilitarian furniture of the working class (downstairs).
We have a local furniture shop called *upstairs / downstairs.* That probably explains that. I always thought it meant furniture for both upstairs for bedrooms etc and sofas etc for downstairs.
What about a poor man's moulding plane for simple profiles?
Plenty of videos showing how to make a plane. It’s just a wood block and a way to mount the blade. Could also use a Stanley 45/55 and make a custom blade. Many ways and molding planes are not all expensive. The prices can be crazy but I’ve picked up a few dozen all under 10 dollars each.
Try a scratch stock!
I think Paul's vids are the best . however I have noticed that what "PASSES" for mouldings now is ANY piece of wood ,foam or MDF even if flat and plain and stuck up on the wall . MISSION style it's called . people nowadays do not want nor will they pay for beautiful complex mouldings . Sadly moulding planes will never again reach their heights unless fashion changes .He's flogging a dead horse here. Although I like Victorian and Edwardian mouldings ,nobody else seems to.
If you are in a high end property you will find that they will have Victorian and Edwardian moulding styles.
There is nothing wrong with Mission style it can be extremely elegant and is actually a style that was used in tudor times so it is not as modern as most people think and it also has influences from Asia.
I’m surprised to are using a steel hammer to adjust your planes. I use a brass hammer to not roll the ends of the iron. It’s probably a bit pedantic but they have been around for hundreds of years and it would be a pity to not leave them in good shape for their next owner.
The reprint of this book will soon be available. Hardcover 9781931626446 Druk: Fourth Edition april 2020
The question is often asked, why on earth did anyone dislike the video. Actually there are an infinite number of reasons. Here are a few from my perspective.
It is my opinion that the close up shots are not often close enough nor at the correct angle. The close view is also displayed for too short of a time period. Perhaps this comes from the camera man not being a wood worker and not knowing what the viewer wants to see. Remember you are demonstrating to someone that is trying to learn and understand and not just reviewing something that was common in the past.
It is also disconcerting to me that the depth of field focus is not very good in these new videos. The entire set is not that deep that the entire view, front to back shouldn't be in focus.
I think the videography of the old videos was much better.
I am not complaining, just giving feedback so you know what this viewer thinks.
Just sayin, JIM
Just found the link to sharpen them
ruclips.net/video/NcuahhR-Weo/видео.html
Would love to see more on this including how to sharpen them
That’s another rabbit hole. With how many different blades there are it takes you to a special kind of insanity. Using all sorta of flat and round files and small ceramic honing rods. Same kind of sharping rods you use for fishing hooks or serrations on knives. Sometimes they come with regular sharpening products. I know my WorkSharp field honing thing has one on the end but you can get them plainly too.
ruclips.net/video/NcuahhR-Weo/видео.html
@@FearsomeWarrior I've no idea how they originally did it. However, one trick you can try is to use the plane to create a molding that you can use as a substrate for an abrading paper. You can't let the sharpening get away from you if you do this, that is, don't let the blade get really dull sharpen frequently. You can stick to fine grit then. I've only used it on pair of hollow and round blades for a specific project. But it worked.
⭐️ thankyou so much for taking the time to share your knowledge - this is a superb presentation and really helpful ⭐️ 👍
When I was first getting interested in woodworking, I found a garage sale with dozens of molding planes in a plastic bin. DOZENS. And they were only asking a few dollars each. But I had no idea what they were. They didn’t look like the regular planes I was familiar with, so I didn’t buy any of them.
.... it’s been like five years I’m still mad about it... =/
i know this feeling. 10 years later you'll be making a cup of tea in the kitchen, think of that time, and kick youeself again. And maybe chuckle. life is funny like that.
Thanks for the video! I absolutly love working with moulding planes but sharpen them can be quite tricky. Luckily you made a video about that, too :)
It doesn't matter how much experience or knowledge you have... You can always learn new things. Thank you.
Yes, I absolutely agree and I seldom pass on chance review any woodworking tools, techniques, or any other . . .
I wanna know what finish they used on those olding moulding planes to keep them from.....molding...