I wanna point out something about how the development was different for the two games. Yes, they were both pushing for a very tight deadline, but frontiers WAS actually able to get one extra year of development as takashi iizuka practically begged sega to give sonic team just a bit more time to finish the game - something 06 was not granted at all (part of me thinks they gave frontiers an extra year because they remembered what happened with 06).
Any sonic gaming dev team asking for more time should automatically get it considering every sonic game the last 2!decades or so has been rushed and released an unfinished nearly unplayable buggy mess
@@jetskis6958Nah. Outside the Heroes character models, the best looking Sonic game is still Shadow the hedgehog. Look at that blurred lighting, I'm in love with it to this day.
As someone who has a lot of fun with Sonic Frontiers and thinks it is easily the best mainline Sonic game since Generations, it is telling how Sonic 2006 somehow manages to have more striking environments than it does. I truly hope the next game both has more interesting environments, as well as more NPCs to interact with/do side-quests for.
One small thing I noticed is that Frontiers’s Homing Attack is pretty similar to the 06 one, both have a similar rebound time and a similar backflip animation
@@cwavygaming6615 🧠less internet hate yap with 0 experience. 06 is perfectly playable especially on the 360, casually games like Heroes and Colors: Ultimate are easier to break casually than 06, at least most of 06's bugs and glitches need prior knowledge to seek out and execute, casual playthroughs tend to be smooth sailing, Heroes and Colors: Ultimate break on the fundamentals.
@@KOTSOSMC2002 this is cap like a MF. You can’t even run up ramps without falling through the floor can’t use the ring dash without being thrown over the side of a map. You can’t even glide as knuckles without being stuck to the wall 😂 there’s a reason that game nearly killed the entire franchise. Looks like I’m the one with the 🧠
@@cwavygaming6615 Mm, nope. Knuckles and Rouge's wall climbing is broken, which you'll find me criticizing every time 06 comes up into discussion. The other 2 are just crap straight up. For example, in Frog Forest in there is a segment right before the long crocodile chase where you're required to use the light speed dash, that almost NEVER works as intended on PS2. I've played Heroes 4 times start to finish, all 4 times I've lost dozens of lives there just because you press the light speed dash and the game just refuses to execute it without killing you in the process, it's genuinely just broken, the button press doesn't get you to where you need to go and there's nothing you can do about it. To my knowledge, the only mandatory light speed dash in 06 is the entrance to Wave Ocean which is not only a straight line (so no "throwing across the map") but it also works perfectly fine EVERY SINGLE TIME. I've played 06 5 times start to finish, 3 times on PS3 and 2 on the 360, it's turbo mega playable. Whatever hate you have for the game can't invalidate my FIVE playthroughs across both systems it released on, nor the playthroughs of 3 of my friends that played it for the first time in which I was present, which were also for the most part spotless experiences that they loved. You are objectively being an extremist, nothing you or the internet can say or pretend is true can undo the fact that I've gone through the game 8 times and all 8 times were not broken playthroughs, nor the fact that I've gone through other Sonic games multiple times as well and they are more broken casually than 06. I am objectively correct because my EIGHT personal experiences are nonnegotiable, they aren't up for debate or interpretation, they are factual reality. 06 is only broken, like half of this franchise is, when you are speedrunning or seeking out bugs and glitches with set-ups that require prior knowledge and oftentimes practice.
You forgot the similarity that always makes me giggle when I see it. The 2021 Sonic Frontiers Central trailer almost exactly starts like the 2005 Tokyo game show trailer for sonic 06. Go watch it yourself, it's so goofy when you notice
Yeah, surprisingly these two games are actually very similar! The similarities go even further than that: enemy designs look cool, both have human female protagonists, controls are similarish, playable characters, open ended design philosophy, lots of bugs at launch, janky animation, non-existent physics, character models, slow homing attack, hub world town missions are similar to the puzzles and koco tasks, and the gem abilities and moves from the shop are similar to the combat moves you unlock from the skill tree! Yeah, you can tell with Frontiers they were trying to be more ambitious and faithful to their roots! Also, I disagree, I think Frontiers still manages to look cool in quite a few gameplay moments, especially a the combat and boss fights, and some parts of the environment do stand out and can catch a player’s attention easily, such as that underground area, forgot where that is. Although it goes without saying that Frontiers does look emptier because it is just bigger, with everything spread out, since it is open zone, so it is up to the player to explore as much as they can, and thus I think the game is presented well overall in that sense. Plus the pop-in isn't that bad, it's much more egregious in the Final Horizon areas. And let’s not mention that original reveal trailer for the game, where they intentionally made it look as bad as possible! I also think the gameplay in 06 can be really fun generally! Speaking of which, Frontiers also has a lot of similarities with Rise of Lyric, surprisingly! That is something worth talking about!
Frontiers lacks what Unleashed had Accurate ambient lighting, example his socks stay bright white in just about every lighting condition especially in Cyber space, the sky sanctuary (sunset) environment There’s a mod that improves it and brings it closer to Unleashed it’s called “Improved Ambient Lighting”
I wanna point out something about how the development was different for the two games.
Yes, they were both pushing for a very tight deadline, but frontiers WAS actually able to get one extra year of development as takashi iizuka practically begged sega to give sonic team just a bit more time to finish the game - something 06 was not granted at all (part of me thinks they gave frontiers an extra year because they remembered what happened with 06).
@@aronimacaroni2982 that’s a valid point. I didn’t even know that. I appreciate it.
Any sonic gaming dev team asking for more time should automatically get it considering every sonic game the last 2!decades or so has been rushed and released an unfinished nearly unplayable buggy mess
@@cwavygaming6615 Just because a game is rushed doesn't mean it's an "unplayable buggy mess"
(It's still better for games not to be rushed though)
06's director was Shun Nakamura. Kishimoto's first work in a Sonic game was 2007's Sonic and the Secret Rings, he was the lead game designer.
@@CanaldoZenny yeah I know, my bad dude
A game that "looks cool" with realistic graphics will only Look cool till the next generation of consoles comes out.
@@Kittenfox_55 exactly dude. I think it was just the hype of “next gen graphics” that established that strange priority
Sonic unleashed is still holding up and looks amazing tbh
@@blohlcthat’s true, Unleashed still the best looking Sonic game
@@jetskis6958Nah. Outside the Heroes character models, the best looking Sonic game is still Shadow the hedgehog. Look at that blurred lighting, I'm in love with it to this day.
Until 2 more generations come and the game looks cool and retro again
As someone who has a lot of fun with Sonic Frontiers and thinks it is easily the best mainline Sonic game since Generations, it is telling how Sonic 2006 somehow manages to have more striking environments than it does. I truly hope the next game both has more interesting environments, as well as more NPCs to interact with/do side-quests for.
@@jkrunch2166 I hope so as well.
I definitely agree. Personally I would love a total conversion mod that does it’s best to turn frontiers into 06. Using P-06’s assets.
@@Kiezly that would actually be awesome
One small thing I noticed is that Frontiers’s Homing Attack is pretty similar to the 06 one, both have a similar rebound time and a similar backflip animation
@@UltraSTH interesting, I never noticed that
The greatest similarity between 06 and Frontiers is how unapologetically peak both of them are.
Telling this lie is INSANE. Sonic 06 is literally so broken it’s unplayable
@@cwavygaming6615 🧠less internet hate yap with 0 experience. 06 is perfectly playable especially on the 360, casually games like Heroes and Colors: Ultimate are easier to break casually than 06, at least most of 06's bugs and glitches need prior knowledge to seek out and execute, casual playthroughs tend to be smooth sailing, Heroes and Colors: Ultimate break on the fundamentals.
@@KOTSOSMC2002 06 is literally one of the most broken unplayable games ever released in gaming history. Game isn’t even 40% finished.
@@KOTSOSMC2002 this is cap like a MF. You can’t even run up ramps without falling through the floor can’t use the ring dash without being thrown over the side of a map. You can’t even glide as knuckles without being stuck to the wall 😂 there’s a reason that game nearly killed the entire franchise. Looks like I’m the one with the 🧠
@@cwavygaming6615 Mm, nope. Knuckles and Rouge's wall climbing is broken, which you'll find me criticizing every time 06 comes up into discussion. The other 2 are just crap straight up. For example, in Frog Forest in there is a segment right before the long crocodile chase where you're required to use the light speed dash, that almost NEVER works as intended on PS2. I've played Heroes 4 times start to finish, all 4 times I've lost dozens of lives there just because you press the light speed dash and the game just refuses to execute it without killing you in the process, it's genuinely just broken, the button press doesn't get you to where you need to go and there's nothing you can do about it. To my knowledge, the only mandatory light speed dash in 06 is the entrance to Wave Ocean which is not only a straight line (so no "throwing across the map") but it also works perfectly fine EVERY SINGLE TIME. I've played 06 5 times start to finish, 3 times on PS3 and 2 on the 360, it's turbo mega playable. Whatever hate you have for the game can't invalidate my FIVE playthroughs across both systems it released on, nor the playthroughs of 3 of my friends that played it for the first time in which I was present, which were also for the most part spotless experiences that they loved. You are objectively being an extremist, nothing you or the internet can say or pretend is true can undo the fact that I've gone through the game 8 times and all 8 times were not broken playthroughs, nor the fact that I've gone through other Sonic games multiple times as well and they are more broken casually than 06. I am objectively correct because my EIGHT personal experiences are nonnegotiable, they aren't up for debate or interpretation, they are factual reality.
06 is only broken, like half of this franchise is, when you are speedrunning or seeking out bugs and glitches with set-ups that require prior knowledge and oftentimes practice.
If you noticed sonic frontiers took the day/night cycle from the sonic 06 beta
@@TimDespairBear11 I thought about bringing that up, but I decided not to since it was cut from the final game
@@jetskis6958 fair. It’s also the first 3D sonic game since sonic 06 to have multiple playable characters.
@@TimDespairBear11 that’s true. I could have put that in the video, but tbh I didn’t even think of that.
You forgot the similarity that always makes me giggle when I see it.
The 2021 Sonic Frontiers Central trailer almost exactly starts like
the 2005 Tokyo game show trailer for sonic 06.
Go watch it yourself, it's so goofy when you notice
@@DLGanimator that’s a good one I didn’t even think about. Thanks for the suggestion
2:04 !
Hey! Maybe some of the artists on 'Frontiers' development team was looking for inspiration...?
I think it's highly likely that an 06 remake is on it's way soon.
@@Ibalistic_hedge as cool as that would be, I doubt that it would happen
@@jetskis6958 given the fact they keep referencing it and it’s increased popularity in recent years, it’s quite likely but only time will tell.
Frontiers was delayed by a year. It was originally supposed to release in December 2021.
@@Ibalistic_hedge that’s true. Thank goodness that it was delayed or else it could have been really bad
If I may make a suggestion: a summary in the end would have helped round it all off :)
@@fire99xyz thanks for the advice
Yeah, surprisingly these two games are actually very similar! The similarities go even further than that: enemy designs look cool, both have human female protagonists, controls are similarish, playable characters, open ended design philosophy, lots of bugs at launch, janky animation, non-existent physics, character models, slow homing attack, hub world town missions are similar to the puzzles and koco tasks, and the gem abilities and moves from the shop are similar to the combat moves you unlock from the skill tree! Yeah, you can tell with Frontiers they were trying to be more ambitious and faithful to their roots! Also, I disagree, I think Frontiers still manages to look cool in quite a few gameplay moments, especially a the combat and boss fights, and some parts of the environment do stand out and can catch a player’s attention easily, such as that underground area, forgot where that is. Although it goes without saying that Frontiers does look emptier because it is just bigger, with everything spread out, since it is open zone, so it is up to the player to explore as much as they can, and thus I think the game is presented well overall in that sense. Plus the pop-in isn't that bad, it's much more egregious in the Final Horizon areas. And let’s not mention that original reveal trailer for the game, where they intentionally made it look as bad as possible! I also think the gameplay in 06 can be really fun generally! Speaking of which, Frontiers also has a lot of similarities with Rise of Lyric, surprisingly! That is something worth talking about!
@@Tromite I might do a comparison video between rise of lyric and Frontiers. Thanks for the suggestion
Kishimoto did NOT work on 06, idk where you got that info from
@@Tawbay-cr5bw Yeah dude. I know I got it wrong
Frontiers lacks what Unleashed had
Accurate ambient lighting, example his socks stay bright white in just about every lighting condition especially in Cyber space, the sky sanctuary (sunset) environment
There’s a mod that improves it and brings it closer to Unleashed it’s called
“Improved Ambient Lighting”
@sonicthomasgamer yeah I've seen that mod. It makes the game look a lot better
both were games that had potential to be some of the greatest, and yet, because of SEGA's deadlines they never got to live up to that potential...
@@sonicstudio4894 that’s a good way of looking at it
Gyatt
Intro song?
@@Joebilly15684 oh Fs dude it’s called Meteor Herd instrumental. It’s from SA2
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