Worthy of a Prince; The Royal Siamese Air Service Paribatra (Boripatra)
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- Опубликовано: 16 янв 2023
- Another nice and obscure aircraft, the Paribatra, also known as the Bomber Type 2 (and as the Baribatra, Boripatra and Boriphat), was Thailand's first indigenously designed and built aircraft - a rather remarkable achievement.
However changing circumstances meant that it was soon relegated to a narrow and little-read footnote in aviation history.
*Additional footnote - looking more into Prince Paribatra, he seems to have been a bit of an issue and one of the reasons the coup in 1932 occurred.
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If you ever visit Bangkok, do visit the RTAF museum - it's just to the east of Don Mueang airport, and these days easily accessible because there's a new BTS Skytrain station right next to it (in the past you had to take a 45 minute bus trip on a non-airconditioned city bus). Aside from the Paribatra replicas, there are also a AD-1 Skyraider, a Spitfire Mark FRXIV, a Vultee Vengeance, a Fairey Firefly, a Mig-21 (a gift from Vietnam) and a Harrier (yes, the Thais operated Harriers at one time) among a whole bunch of other stuff.
I just visited it! It’s amazing ~
There are also Alpha jet, A-7, and many Tigers being displayed.
@Aqua Fyre on an Aircraft Carrier too! The Carrier is still around, but only deploys helicopters these days
Cool information. Thanks. Now there is another reason to visit Thailand, without getting a look with a raised eyebrow. )
@Aqua Fyre Boy was I surprised.. it showed up sometime before my third visit 3-4 years ago. They were actually operating the Harriers from an aircraft carrier. Nice thing about the planes is you can get close enough to fondle them. I forgot to mention the F5Es and the Gripen (Thailand currently operates the Gripen). Now if I could only figure out how to visit the museum in Chiang Mai.. that one is on an active base and isn't open to the public. They have the remains of a P-40 that crashed on a raid on Northern Thailand.
@@kentl7228 haha
The very small blades on the propeller of the replica were also seen on WWI training aircraft called Penguins. These allowed enough thrust to make short hops, but not enough for full flight.
@Aqua Fyre Props to the hop prop, hot hop prop tops😁😁
G'day,
Generally, the most prominent feature of such "Penguins" were either that they were Pre-1914 vintage underpowered and overweight Kites which could barely levitate up into Ground Effect and going over the Boundary Fence guaranteed an Outlanding - when the Engine failed after overheating.
After all or most of the Deperdussions and Bleriots with 3-Cylinder 35-Hp Anzani Engines had been exhausted and crashed - the British and AmeriKans standardised their Training using 2-Seaters, with Airborne Instructors, Dual Controls, "Gosport Speaking-Tubes" between Instructor and Pupil, and even a Standardise Curriculum taught by all Instructors to all Students.
The French, however, designed and manufactured Standardised Penguins - Short-Span Monoplanes with 25 Hp Engines..., incapable of Flight ; and ALL Pupils either learned to operate a Penguin at full throttle and track it straight - up and down, back and forth across the Aerodrome ; before being promoted to better fledged more powerful Machines which were capable of Straight Hops in Ground Effect - before then moving on to something capable of flying a Circuit.
The French considered that their method weeded-out the Ham-Fisted hopeless cases EARLY ON by their crashing - generally survivably and sustaining only minimal injuries...
The British "Gosport Method" graduated a higher percentage of "Pilots" from any given Class of Hopefuls ; but then the British "Pilots" had a MUCH Higher incidence of Crashing - generally quite badly, killing or maiming themselves and writing-off the Aeroplane...
So, using such "Penguins" may well have been an EXCELLENT way of preventing large numbers of young keen patriotic Pupil Aviator (Wannabes) from hurting themselves, while crashing something which might otherwise have been actually VALUABLE !
Such is life,
Have a good one...
Stay safe.
;-p
Ciao !
Far less likely to sustain damage and could feasibly develop limited drive if the jungle cannopy necessitated landing on a river of course.
I have lived in Bangkok for 15 years, and the Royal Thai Air Force Musuem is one of my favourite places. The collection is very impressive. The Boripatra was the first of several indigenous airpland types designed in Thailand. They are all on display in the museum. The collection also have the only surviving Vought V-93S Corsair, togehter with other rare aircraft. It's absolutely worth a visit. Edit: I have added the type designation of the Corsair.
When you say only surviving Vought Corsair, are you referring to the aircraft supplied by the US to the French in Indochina prior to their defeat? Many survivors exist in racing guise in the USA, but are hardly original to type.
@@stevenhoman2253Vought made many Corsairs. The one displayed in the museum is a V-93S Corsair.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_O2U_Corsair. A 1920s biplane. The v-93s was the Thai export variant.
There are also a few plane “junkyards”. I used to stop at one in the way to Pattaya. A few C-47s and a bunch of O-1s. Then if you fly out of Utapao, you’ll all manner of old planes. PBY, Turbo Porter, A-7s, Harriers etc. There is also a German bloke with a large collection of microcars that has a few planes and even tried to bring back a Russian Whiskey class sub! However it sunk in tow. His 747 sits at Utapao, or it did when I lived in Thailand. Great country; you never know what to expect!
What I like is that the Thais seems to have preserved literally every aircraft that ever served in their air force in their Museum. Including some sole survivors like the Vought Biplane Corsair or various Japanese Types
Having looked at one of the earlier pictures in this video I must admit there is nothing cooler than an Artillery Cannon strapped the back of an elephant!!! 🤠👍
@Aqua Fyre Now you're causing me to imagine an elephant with 2 gattlin guns on its back in a Grey uniform, that's also cool image!!! 🤠👍
Very cool. Thank you for finding obscure stuff like this!
Incredible stuff. Why do these rarities always get scrapped? Well done, Ed. Gold star ⭐.
Thanks. Will have some other Thai oddities in the near future as well.
It's a handsome design.
Fascinating plane & history.
As an Australian, travel to SE Asia, or Middle East, or Europe, usually means a stop in Bangkok (or Singapore). Any half decent plane nerd should choose travelling via Bangkok, and take a day there to spend some time just north of the city visiting the marvellous Royal Thai Air Force Museum. It is a truly eclectic collection of aircraft, many of which are easy to get up close to! Step inside a C123 cockpit? Yes please!
I was unaware that the Thais were so early in building and designing their own aircraft. Thanks Ed.
The 1920's aircraft are so interesting. A great video Mr.Ed have a good one.
I was really hoping to finally learn about that 4:15 autogyro from Prussia to Siam.
Nice looking plane.
Love to see you cover the Vought 02U...great video!
Whew, glad to hear that's a replica you have footage of. It doesn't look entirely... airworthy.
Yes, been hoping for some content on Thailand. Thanks, Ed
It's a beautiful aircraft.
That's a really nice looking plane. Thanks for telling us about it.
I see others have commented about the prop, but another thing that stood out to me was the tiny tail-fin. Is there something about biplanes which reduces the need for a larger fin, or was it something yet to be worked out?
My thoughts, along those lines, would be that rudder authority on a relatively slow aircraft would still be largely mediated by the sides of the fuselage, where the box sections the fuselage has would hold a craft and provide yaw stability, except in a cross wind. In which case the rudder could be used. The degree of authority, further, is still a function of area, and so some WWI biplanes had rudders shaped as commas, or vertical slabs, with the pivot point being determined by probable imprecise means. These control factors would become more prominent once faster monoplane designs were devised. Increasing gradually, the very real importance of the 'wind tunnel' in design.
Think of the original Wright Flyer, which, if anything, present the elevators to the front and the rudders to the rear, yet which flew (despite the unusual layout) Imagining the same basic layout in a 350 knot dive, and the immediate improbability of the design becomes apparent, the aerodynamics are pertinent to speed in particular, and you can see this revealed as aircraft developed historically. The one major advantage the biplane has always maintained is its ability to climb, as it has enormous inherent lifting surfaces as a characteristic of the design, whether it was needed or not.
@@stevenhoman2253 Interesting, thanks. I hadn't considered speed as a factor.
Nice. Very obscure.
Do you build these aircraft yourself? I've always been a bit of a war nerd, but time and again you find stuff I've never heard of. Thanks for the content.
So,the Boribatra was the first Tie Fighter ? 🙃
Built with' Thai Sticks' ?
The husband of the third daughter of Thai King Rama 9, Princess Chulabhorn, in 1982 married "vice-marshal" Virayud Tishiasarin (he wasn't a vice marshal at the time). He was given promotion and development of the RTAF museum as one of his royal duties since when he got married he was an RTAF officer. They later got divorced. I remember well watching him get married on Thai TV in 1982 which was a big deal at the time, he never stopped shaking! I met him many years later when he owned a restaurant or two in Northern Virginia USA.
Pretty looking aircraft!
Though a bit unconventional, I found this aircraft surprisingly elegant. Cool airplane👍
Clever, determined people, the Thais. Never colonised and never successfully invaded by anyone after the Burmese in the 1760’s.
@EdNashsMilitaryMatters >>> 👍👍
Love the look and design, would love to be able to buy & build a kit plane of this plane, with a different engine being able to be fitted (for engine test bed purposes, as stated) this would make a great starter aircraft for a lot aircraft fabrication enthusiasts as well as budget aviation historians
I love these videos on more unknown planes.
I have often wondered exactly where/how the kingdom of Siam got their start in aviation; now, I know.
Any idea as to what types of wood were used to replace stika spruce, ash and birch, as used in biplanes of that period? I was thinking whether mahogany could serve as an alternative?
Japan, Sweden, the Netherlands, the soviet Union and others employed german experts, to help start their aero Industrie (totaly not violating the Versailles treaty).
Perhaps that would have been a possibility for Siam/Thailand too?
I wish I had known about the museum when I visited Thailand in 1989.
I am not sure it was open to the public at that time - I visited in 2009, and it looked recently opened. If you ever go back, it is absolutely worth a visit!
This actually a pretty nice looking plane. It's pretty silly that the decided to go back to the old design due to cost though. Obviously it's cheaper, it's basically trash by this point. Sure you have more of them, it'll just be more free kills for the guys that bought the better planes. Besides, if you want your domestic industry to get cheaper, you have to invest in it...
Kind of weird Siam could've potentially been a leader in aviation had they played their cards right.
Ahhh yes indeed I was thinking to myself France was allowing them to get trained pilots and cheap aircraft ? And then you said the obvious tie in about buiding your own ! Nice video and a plane I've certainly never heard of.
The Thai Fighter
Not to be confused with the Tie Fighter from Star Wars fame lmao
Perhaps this eludes to a mini Thai-themed series?
Interesting how price was revisited once they started making their own
Thank you, it's very interesting. Bréguet=> braygay
Oh that's right! I never remember how that is supposed to be pronounced.
I don't see much flex in the landing gear. Real stout looking though.
Are plans out there?
i wonder how this wouldve looked with NACA cowling for the engine
Unless the whole cylinder assembly rotated like some French WWI powerplants...
Great content and thanks for the videos. One point, your pronunciation of the name Breguet, should be as a ‘G’ not as a ‘J’. It is the same company who build excellent up market, high end watches or horology and it is always pronounced as Breguet with emphasis on the g.
I have an odd blind spot with that company. I can never remember the correct pronunciation and end up different each video :(
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters No worries. It is a minor thing, but at least you are aware of the connection between the two industries. The watchmaking side goes back the 18th Century in France with Adam Louis Breguet and they have produced pilots watches in the past. Bit of a crossover I know but all grist to the mill.🙏
Hey something else to go and stare at when visiting Bangkok
And it looks slightly stripped off already
Yes, it's just a replica. But some other very interesting stuff at the RTAF museum, well worth a visit.
This video raises a good point , if the coup didn’t go ahead , and Siam continue to develop their defense capabilities, would it be a country that wouldn’t be overrun by the Japanese during ww2
the issue of cost and lack of industrial base would probably still put a break on that plan. we did give the japanese a good fight though before the cease fire
So there you have it; the original Thai fighter.
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Just a side note: Breguet is pronounced /Brayghay/ and not /Brayjay/😉(tricky treacherous French pronunciation). Another common mispronunciation being /Dazo/ instead of /Dasso/ for Dassault.
Wait: there was a Voight Corsair before the Voight Corsair???!!! Do tell.
Lol it's on the list alright.
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters Excellent. Shall look forward. Love your stuff, man!
A canon. On top of an elephant.
Is not just the first Thai built aircraft but also the first southeast Asian desgined aircraft in general, right ? I don't think any other countries in SEA ever built their own aircraft at all since they all were mostly colonized by the West.
Same with the Thai Navy submarines that they ordered from Japan. Thailand was the only nation in its region that actually had its own submarines force !
:)
First? no way!!!!
Way
Congratulations 🥇
dont the have f16s now? WIKI!!!
wiki says- grippen, f16s, and what i would call freedom fighters but what others might call tiger 2s but not worth a damn- pretty though.