They are both effective. 7.62×39 brings alot of energy with it down range. I would not hesitate to fight with either of those ammunition choices out of a quality AK platform.
SilverBear is what I have in my AK. It's one of my go-to home-defense carbines and a few years back, I used it sometimes as a patrol carbine. It was the only JHP I could find several years ago. Good to see it would have worked well enough. :) I'm not too worried about the fragments that made it 22" as they are low enough mass to lose power very fast; probably well before they find any of my neighbor's houses.
I shot the Wolf Military Classic into water jugs at 100 yards and the lead totally fragmented and jacket opened up and looked like a ninja throwing star. Just nasty damage.
I really don't wanna hold em down and not get the dramatic jump though.😂😂😂 I'm just gonna have to start putting a tarp down for insurance when I do rifle stuff.
@@ToolsandTargets You won't get the jump but all of the energy will be left in the block. Wound channels are enormous. We do all the love the jump though. Love those hps compared to fmj
I have several boxes of the silver Bear but several thousand rounds of the wolf. I like them both. I don't have the PSA 762×39 I have a couple different lengths BCA 762×39. Another great video keep them coming 👍
@@stoegerstewie8351 either length but shortest I would recommend is 5-8". 10.5 is the common shorty but there are better quality brands under $80p you can get.
It's incredible how much those 7.62x39 rounds make the gel blocks dance! I bought a couple of triangle 26 SKS rifles recently and definitely need to find some soft points to feed them!
Good test T&T. Even a fairly low powered rifle leaves all but the most powerful revolver rounds in the dust. I have a Norinco SKS and Polytech AKS 762 so I find this useful reference. Thanks.
So much for the “B” Team gelly. I use the Wolf HP’s out of my SKS. I like watching things just disintegrate when they hit the targets with that ammo. Lol 😂. Great test bud. Was wondering if you wrap some tie down straps around the gelly and your table if it would control them a little better so you don’t have to do extra work cleaning them up and so on. Anyway as always good job. Have and be safe. 🇺🇸🇺🇸⭐️🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@ToolsandTargets some sort of "jelly hammock" might be the ticket, would allow the forces to go outward without the rebound off a solid platform like a board or table. I have some Silver bear soft points for pig hunting, but have not got to try them out yet. Like your channel very much, subscribing now
Both are impressive, nasty rounds. Not sure if you have a 545, but would be sweet to see a test comparing it to a 556. Thanks for the jelly test Tools!
Thanks for the jelly test on those rounds. Any thoughts on testing the Silver Bear “123gr soft point”? That’s what I use and have never had a whitetail or hog go any distance after impact. Ok…ok maybe 20 yards max……
Don't have any Silver Bear SP but I tested the Wolf SP not too long ago beside a Tula HP. They both did nicely but very little difference between them. I suspect that the 123 Silver Bear SP would be nearly identical to the Wolf soft point.
That another great video. Back in the late 90s I pick up some Middle East 7.62x39 ammo.I believe it was made in Iraqi.Stay away from the junk.(very corrosive and it has a star crimp on the case mouth around the bullet head.)Have you did a video on Russian 5.56 hollow points yet. I seen a old video that the Russian hollow points didn’t work well at all. (Hollow point didn’t open up.) Thanks
Thank you sir. My RK still has a few cases of those old surplus 7.62x39 tracers. I'm sure those have corrosive primers in em. Haven't tested any of the 5.56.
I enjoyed that. And I gotta admit, I enjoyed watching the block blow off the table! I'm sure that wasn't *your* favorite part, but, hey...that there's fine entertainment! 😉 I enjoyed this video because I watched it just before midnight, which was the perfect ending to my 69th birthday. Yeah, I was born on Veteran's Day. Well, actually, it was still called Armistice Day when I was born, but that soon changed. I've always counted it as a privilege to be born on this day. I didn't serve in the military, but family members and my best friend did. Shoot! I came very close to joining the Navy with him in 1972. I didn't, but that is another story, and a long one, so I'll spare you. So thanks for the perfect capper on my day.
For hunting I actually use Tulammo 124 gr jacketed soft points in 7.62x39mm. I've used there 165 gr 308 win jsp as well but I'm getting away from it now that it's going to no longer be available.
@@allenbolen9705 That is more likely with hollow points from rifles. The concern with bullets breaking up or overexpanding is when they lose so much energy that they fail to penetrate to an adequate depth. This is especially a concern with more common pistol calibers where the fragments fail to go beyond the main wound channel. When they break apart and actually spread out substantially, they create their own additional wound channels making the wound more devastating. A FMJ AK-47 bullet is less likely to fragment and will still do meaningful damage by yawing(tumbling) once it hits flesh. Though it is more likely to exit and therefore dump less energy into the target than these hollow points.
I'd love to see a comparison in PPU 123 grain pointed soft points and then I think it's either wolf or tulamo makes a round nose soft point love to see how those two perform against each other
Fantastic test ! the energy dump on those rounds is incredible ! i would definitely say those would be a good home defense round . they probably wouldn't be very effective on armor .
I would say that your projectile performance was virtually identical. However, there is clearly a difference in velocity. It would be interesting to pull the projectiles from each of these and compare the powder types and charges. If they're the same type of powder, it would be virtually impossible to determine whether they're the same actual powder (for example, if they're both ball powders, there's not a way to visually tell BL-C(2) from H335). But if they're the same type of powder with different charge weights or different types of powders, even with the same charge weight, it would explain the differences in velocity.
I have heard that the Silver Bear was a hotter round than the Wolf and looks like it is. The performance doesn't seem to be much influenced by the difference in speed. Thanks for the video and have a blessed evening.
I loaded ammo in AK even the primer makes a difference , for hunting in the cold I would use magnum primers . I had to buy a million primers to get them to ship them to AK.
Really good video & test Tools. While I don't have an AK type rifle or anything that shoot the 7.62x39 the results are still relevant. Make one wonder if these rounds were actually loaded by the same manufacture under a different name. The speed difference really wasn't that much at less than 5%, but as we saw in another test just a few days ago that slight difference proved to be just enough. In the end those are both devastating rounds. Believe in yourself and you will be unstoppable. Be ever vigilant, always aware and stay safe.
They are manufactured in different locations but on similar equipment. Most ammo manufactured in what was the soviet union are all in old soviet ammo plants so they are very similar.
🇦🇺😎👍They won’t let us have the Bear 🐻 or the Wooloff 🐺 down here , it’s full price premium 35/60 bucks a box. 223s around 16/26 bucks a box. 7.62x39s 33/50+ per box….done like a dinner 🍽…..nice rig brother, too bad we can’t have them…massive disruption 💪🏁….wow , you wouldn’t want to get hit with them bass-teds😳…great science Sir🇺🇸🏁🇺🇸🏁🇺🇸🏁🐻🐺🏁🇺🇸🏁🇺🇸🏁🇺🇸
Thanks!!! Looks like a good hunting round to 100 yds or so. I was actually considering an 7.62x39 upper for my AR15. But mags suck. That's some velocity deviation on the SBs though. These would be cheaper than Gold Dot .223s!!!
I have zero feeding issues with d&h magazine, I also have a 20 round asc that's 100% reliable and a promag that works perfectly as well, I did have to file the lips on the promag a bit to get it to perfect reliability, the magazine issues with x39 ar mags is a thing of the past, absolutely build yourself one you won't regret it.
That 7.62x39 definitely let the gel know something had hit it 😂 I haven't shot any of my Ak47's in a while. Might take my Century Arms ras47 with collapsible stock to the range tomorrow... Love these videos Tools...
Although I don't have any tools for those, I'm leaning toward the sealed primers and case mouth, If indeed that's what it is, another concern would be the Berdan primers, I've heard that not all are corrosive, however, I always clean my tools within an inch of their lives 🤣 As soon as possible, Even if It's just one round, Thanks for posting, Have a safe weekend my friend. 👍 🇺🇸
Yeah, None of these use corrosive primers. Ak's eat this steel stuff up. I used to be real picky about cleaning mine every time I used em, but some of em go for months now.😆😆😆
I used a barnaul 125gr sp to take a mule deer last year, it was devastating and put the deer down where it stood, the jacket separated from the core and retained 80 grains of weight, I never found the jacket as it seemed to have been torn to pieces.
Thanks for the video. I sometimes hunt deer with my AR chambered in 7.62x39 and I used the Federal Power-Shok SP. I've shot the Silver Bear SP and it doesn't group as well but it's literally half the price and it groups good enough so I've been tempted. Now that I see your test and how it breaks up I know it would kill a deer (or pig) but I'd be eating chunks of it in every meal wouldn't I :D So for hunting I'll stick with the Federal stuff. Interesting note though, when I was testing at 100 yards every brand of 7.62x39 I could find, the Wolf Polyformance FMJ (NOT THE HP) was near match grade consistency. No other round I tested was better than it, most at 2 MOA but the Polyformance was .5 MOA every time. Even Hornady was 1 MOA. IF someone wanted to make super consistent shots with a 7.62x39 that should be their first test/choice. Surprised me quiet a bit, but the machines that make Wolf must be packing them consistent and the poly coating must help them all hit a sweet spot because the other Wolf types didn't do any better than other Russian or steel brands of ammo.
ruclips.net/video/t3knhOz5Q0k/видео.html I have this one I did not long ago, but I also have another one with the PPU rifle line round nose soft points coming soon.
@@ToolsandTargets thanks tools. I love your videos. You’re my go to source for info on ammo and carry options. Keep up the great work. We really appreciate it.
7.62x39 is a cartridge with enough power to be really useful for a woodsman's hunting cartridge for typical woods ranges and deer size animals. A little bolt action carbine in 7.62x39 would take a lot of game to 300 pounds with no issue when fed decent bullets. Kind of a simple "working" cartridge easily enough. If you were a subsistence hunter living in the woods, it would deliver what you need regularly and with economy.
Silver and Brown Bear ammo is hard to find BIG TIME. Only website I have seen it on is GunRobber. The Red Army Standard in the red boxes was excellent ammo too. You Can't find that any where now! The RAS black and white boxes of it now are NOT the same. Remember the RAS Range Packs that were cheap a few years ago? Try finding one now....
Great video thanks! I have used the Russian and Chinese steel case for years it's all the same. The packaging is all just a gimmick. Nice PSA tool you got there!
I bought a shitton of Belom and Norma 7.62X39 ammo over the summer for the reloadable brass…but I do have quite a bit of the Russian stuff from all the manufacturers as backups…Love your channel and content 👍🤘👍🤘👍🤘
If you could, would you do a test among the 3 common brass ammo atm? PPU white box (15rd M67) Igman (looks like a condom box, 15rd) And Belom (nice plastic case with green sealant)?
I have an AR in 7.62x39 and have a case of the Wolf that I am using and replacing with brass as I shoot it up. I’m in CT so we can’t have a traditional AK so it’s the “other” AR platform that I am using. Seems a bit hard on the extractor and have more problems compared to brass. It was cheap and had it before Covid
I have a few hundred rounds of brass but I have actually never even ran a single round of it. I think I have enough steel cased ammo to melt down and build a battleship.😆
I'd like to see a chrono test on some of that steel case 7.62x39mm through a bolt action such as the Ruger American Ranch or the CZ 527. Curious how much loss there is tapping gas off to operate the action of a semi-auto.
How are you liking that PSA GF3 I had my eye on it for a bit just keep finding something else I would rather have first. Have a good one brother see you on the next one.
That stuff is still pretty nasty! Used to have the 154gr tula soft points that was a lot of guys go to cheap hog round. The only soft points I have is golden bear 125gr soft points. Most of my stash is fmj that’s just what was on sale mostly. Makes me think if they used this in war how much more horrific the wounds would be compared to the fmj on the battle field. Interesting stuff as always.
Barnaul is probably the best Russian ammo there is. They make all the bear line of ammo, and probably made those wolf rounds as well, wolf is an importer not a brand.
@andrewgates8158 Vympel is good as well, but it's harder to find, and as far as hunting ammo I've only ever seen hp's from them, I prefer a soft point for hunting.
🐻 wins over the 🐺(barely) gonna have to get some long jelly bungee cords to keep the blocks on the table lol! they both sure smacked that jelly hard! man either of those are bad to the 🦴's! Happy Friday! 👍
I've never really tested em for groups. They all ring the steel at 100 yards on a 12" wide silhouette, so that's plenty accurate for me. Minute of man.👍
Wonder if that lacquer seal is getting a tighter fit in the bore resulting in higher pressure and higher velocity. It’s either that or it’s just different powder type or same powder with higher charge.
I run only Tula and have some steel core as well. The standard Tula is great stuff, but when you go to HP ammo, it is total devastation on anything you stick it in. I've easily taken many a deer and hogs with my 7.62, and it's very humane as they don't go very far, or even go anywhere after taking the shot. No better sound than a cachunka chunka when having fun.
Shooting in a t-shirt LOL its 23 degrees with a 18 MPH wind , wind chill of 8 degrees . Those will stop any threat that they smack , good test . Thanks
They are both effective. 7.62×39 brings alot of energy with it down range. I would not hesitate to fight with either of those ammunition choices out of a quality AK platform.
Amen to that.😎👍
SilverBear is what I have in my AK. It's one of my go-to home-defense carbines and a few years back, I used it sometimes as a patrol carbine. It was the only JHP I could find several years ago. Good to see it would have worked well enough. :) I'm not too worried about the fragments that made it 22" as they are low enough mass to lose power very fast; probably well before they find any of my neighbor's houses.
Totally agree. I wouldn't be at all worried about any kind of overpenetration with these.😎👍
I shot the Wolf Military Classic into water jugs at 100 yards and the lead totally fragmented and jacket opened up and looked like a ninja throwing star. Just nasty damage.
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Good bullet test. I have used the Wolf and Tula in my PSA 7.62x 39 upper. With no problem. Thanks for the video .
Thank you sir. They seem to run anything you feed em.😎👍
Try laying foam on the bottom of the blocks to absorb shock then run a strap over top to hold to table should work well
I really don't wanna hold em down and not get the dramatic jump though.😂😂😂 I'm just gonna have to start putting a tarp down for insurance when I do rifle stuff.
@@ToolsandTargets You won't get the jump but all of the energy will be left in the block. Wound channels are enormous. We do all the love the jump though. Love those hps compared to fmj
I have several boxes of the silver Bear but several thousand rounds of the wolf. I like them both. I don't have the PSA 762×39 I have a couple different lengths BCA 762×39. Another great video keep them coming 👍
Thank you sir. Devastating stuff.
@@stoegerstewie8351 either length but shortest I would recommend is 5-8". 10.5 is the common shorty but there are better quality brands under $80p you can get.
It's incredible how much those 7.62x39 rounds make the gel blocks dance! I bought a couple of triangle 26 SKS rifles recently and definitely need to find some soft points to feed them!
Yessir. Big energy dump.
Maybe try a soft point v a HP
ruclips.net/video/t3knhOz5Q0k/видео.html 😎👍
I know this is going to be a cool video. That's why already liked it.... 7.62x39 is a good round.....
Yessir😎👍
That's pretty awesome performance from both bullets I wouldn't hesitate using either one.
Agreed
Both did well. Rocked that Gel.
Yessir
Good test T&T. Even a fairly low powered rifle leaves all but the most powerful revolver rounds in the dust. I have a Norinco SKS and Polytech AKS 762 so I find this useful reference. Thanks.
Thank you sir. Definitely some power here.
So much for the “B” Team gelly. I use the Wolf HP’s out of my SKS. I like watching things just disintegrate when they hit the targets with that ammo. Lol 😂. Great test bud. Was wondering if you wrap some tie down straps around the gelly and your table if it would control them a little better so you don’t have to do extra work cleaning them up and so on. Anyway as always good job. Have and be safe. 🇺🇸🇺🇸⭐️🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thank you sir. They need to get a little dirty sometimes to know how good they have it.😂😂😂
@@ToolsandTargets some sort of "jelly hammock" might be the ticket, would allow the forces to go outward without the rebound off a solid platform like a board or table. I have some Silver bear soft points for pig hunting, but have not got to try them out yet.
Like your channel very much, subscribing now
@@williamgaines9784 Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👍
Both are impressive, nasty rounds. Not sure if you have a 545, but would be sweet to see a test comparing it to a 556. Thanks for the jelly test Tools!
I don't but I have come close to buying a Galil ACE in 5.45 several times.
I would also like to see comparison of 5.56 vs 7.62
Thanks for the jelly test on those rounds. Any thoughts on testing the Silver Bear “123gr soft point”? That’s what I use and have never had a whitetail or hog go any distance after impact. Ok…ok maybe 20 yards max……
Don't have any Silver Bear SP but I tested the Wolf SP not too long ago beside a Tula HP. They both did nicely but very little difference between them. I suspect that the 123 Silver Bear SP would be nearly identical to the Wolf soft point.
That another great video. Back in the late 90s I pick up some Middle East 7.62x39 ammo.I believe it was made in Iraqi.Stay away from the junk.(very corrosive and it has a star crimp on the case mouth around the bullet head.)Have you did a video on Russian 5.56 hollow points yet. I seen a old video that the Russian hollow points didn’t work well at all. (Hollow point didn’t open up.) Thanks
Thank you sir. My RK still has a few cases of those old surplus 7.62x39 tracers. I'm sure those have corrosive primers in em. Haven't tested any of the 5.56.
@@ToolsandTargetsDo you know what country made the surplus ammo? (Is it Yugoslavia)
@@scottflowers7780 I can't remember off hand. I think we looked it up before. I'll have to pay attention to the markings next time I go by.
Great Video Man, extremely informative & the vibe was on 100000000000…
Appreciate that!😎👊
Most of the head stamps on the steel case is marked Tula. I seen them boxed as Wolf and Red Army head stamps form both boxes was Tula.
Mhmm
Brown, silver, golden bear is almost always BARNAUL.
I enjoyed that. And I gotta admit, I enjoyed watching the block blow off the table! I'm sure that wasn't *your* favorite part, but, hey...that there's fine entertainment! 😉
I enjoyed this video because I watched it just before midnight, which was the perfect ending to my 69th birthday. Yeah, I was born on Veteran's Day. Well, actually, it was still called Armistice Day when I was born, but that soon changed.
I've always counted it as a privilege to be born on this day. I didn't serve in the military, but family members and my best friend did. Shoot! I came very close to joining the Navy with him in 1972. I didn't, but that is another story, and a long one, so I'll spare you.
So thanks for the perfect capper on my day.
Awesome brother! Happy late Birthday! I don't like having to clean the dirt off , but seeing it jump sure does make a better show.😆😆
For hunting I actually use Tulammo 124 gr jacketed soft points in 7.62x39mm. I've used there 165 gr 308 win jsp as well but I'm getting away from it now that it's going to no longer be available.
Nice. They definitely put down some power.
Awesome video as always , and awesome ammo too.👍
Appreciate that!😎👊
It looks like both of these would be highly effective. So, it is more a matter of which one you can find for the best price.
Absolutely😎👍
Came all apart is that normal for AK ammo?
@@allenbolen9705 That is more likely with hollow points from rifles. The concern with bullets breaking up or overexpanding is when they lose so much energy that they fail to penetrate to an adequate depth. This is especially a concern with more common pistol calibers where the fragments fail to go beyond the main wound channel. When they break apart and actually spread out substantially, they create their own additional wound channels making the wound more devastating. A FMJ AK-47 bullet is less likely to fragment and will still do meaningful damage by yawing(tumbling) once it hits flesh. Though it is more likely to exit and therefore dump less energy into the target than these hollow points.
@@cgsimons1187 I’m not that familiar these rounds. I’m use to hunting ammo that you want to stay together and penetrate deep.
@@allenbolen9705 That makes sense especially for bigger animals. It might also be unpleasant eating meat with bullet fragments.
I'd love to see a comparison in PPU 123 grain pointed soft points and then I think it's either wolf or tulamo makes a round nose soft point love to see how those two perform against each other
I actually have some PPU rifleline round nose soft points.
@@ToolsandTargets I use the PPU pointed sp for deer hunting in my AR platform rifle, they perform very well.
Nice! Either one of those would sure get the job done. Pretty impressive damage. Another great head to head ammo test. Awesome stuff brother 👍🇺🇸
Thank you sir. Nasty stuff for sure.
Fantastic test ! the energy dump on those rounds is incredible ! i would definitely say those would be a good home defense round . they probably wouldn't be very effective on armor .
Thank you sir. Some nasty stuff.😎👍
3A armor wouldn't stand a chance but rifle armor would definitely stop them
I would say that your projectile performance was virtually identical.
However, there is clearly a difference in velocity. It would be interesting to pull the projectiles from each of these and compare the powder types and charges. If they're the same type of powder, it would be virtually impossible to determine whether they're the same actual powder (for example, if they're both ball powders, there's not a way to visually tell BL-C(2) from H335). But if they're the same type of powder with different charge weights or different types of powders, even with the same charge weight, it would explain the differences in velocity.
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I have heard that the Silver Bear was a hotter round than the Wolf and looks like it is. The performance doesn't seem to be much influenced by the difference in speed. Thanks for the video and have a blessed evening.
Thank you sir. Some good stuff. Have a great weekend!
I loaded ammo in AK even the primer makes a difference , for hunting in the cold I would use magnum primers . I had to buy a million primers to get them to ship them to AK.
Yeah, I bet it it a real pain getting certain things.
Did i miss the ammo hunt vid when you found the Silver Bear?
I had em on the one a week or so ago. They were sent to me.😎👍
@@ToolsandTargets right on
Either one is gonna work! Good test.
No doubt about it. Thank you sir!
Really good video & test Tools. While I don't have an AK type rifle or anything that shoot the 7.62x39 the results are still relevant. Make one wonder if these rounds were actually loaded by the same manufacture under a different name. The speed difference really wasn't that much at less than 5%, but as we saw in another test just a few days ago that slight difference proved to be just enough. In the end those are both devastating rounds.
Believe in yourself and you will be unstoppable. Be ever vigilant, always aware and stay safe.
Thank you sir. I didn't have an AK for the longest time. They are a lot of fun and used to be dirt cheap to feed.
They are manufactured in different locations but on similar equipment. Most ammo manufactured in what was the soviet union are all in old soviet ammo plants so they are very similar.
Both are loaded by Barnaul. The difference being just manufacturing variances.
Great video as always brother. Hope you have a great weekend.
Thank you sir. You too!
Thank you for this video. AKs are my rifle of choice, so this video was very interesting to me.
Got some more coming very soon.😎👍
🇦🇺😎👍They won’t let us have the Bear 🐻 or the Wooloff 🐺 down here , it’s full price premium 35/60 bucks a box. 223s around 16/26 bucks a box. 7.62x39s 33/50+ per box….done like a dinner 🍽…..nice rig brother, too bad we can’t have them…massive disruption 💪🏁….wow , you wouldn’t want to get hit with them bass-teds😳…great science Sir🇺🇸🏁🇺🇸🏁🇺🇸🏁🐻🐺🏁🇺🇸🏁🇺🇸🏁🇺🇸
Thank you sir. They would definitely get your point across.😎👍
Thanks!!! Looks like a good hunting round to 100 yds or so. I was actually considering an 7.62x39 upper for my AR15. But mags suck. That's some velocity deviation on the SBs though. These would be cheaper than Gold Dot .223s!!!
Very true. That's the main reason I never built a 7.62x39 AR. I have seen a ton of feeding issues with them.
I have zero feeding issues with d&h magazine, I also have a 20 round asc that's 100% reliable and a promag that works perfectly as well, I did have to file the lips on the promag a bit to get it to perfect reliability, the magazine issues with x39 ar mags is a thing of the past, absolutely build yourself one you won't regret it.
That 7.62x39 definitely let the gel know something had hit it 😂 I haven't shot any of my Ak47's in a while. Might take my Century Arms ras47 with collapsible stock to the range tomorrow... Love these videos Tools...
Thank you sir. Hit it like a truck!💥🚚💥
Ras47… yikes
Although I don't have any tools for those, I'm leaning toward the sealed primers and case mouth, If indeed that's what it is, another concern would be the Berdan primers, I've heard that not all are corrosive, however, I always clean my tools within an inch of their lives 🤣 As soon as possible, Even if It's just one round, Thanks for posting, Have a safe weekend my friend. 👍 🇺🇸
Yeah, None of these use corrosive primers. Ak's eat this steel stuff up. I used to be real picky about cleaning mine every time I used em, but some of em go for months now.😆😆😆
@@ToolsandTargets THX, 👌
The wolf weakened it some then mr bear knocked it off the table. I enjoy your channel.. Good man !
The Wombo Combo!💥🐺🐻💥 Thank you sir.😎👍
Tools have you done a silver bear soft tip review? That is what I use.
It would be interesting to see how the 7.62x39 soft points fair.
I've tested some Wolf soft points. They acted nearly identical to the Tula HP's. I have some PPU round nose soft points I still need to test.😎👍
I used a barnaul 125gr sp to take a mule deer last year, it was devastating and put the deer down where it stood, the jacket separated from the core and retained 80 grains of weight, I never found the jacket as it seemed to have been torn to pieces.
That's amazing! Never got to shoot an AK. Still makes me want to get the SKS out!
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Thanks for the video. I sometimes hunt deer with my AR chambered in 7.62x39 and I used the Federal Power-Shok SP. I've shot the Silver Bear SP and it doesn't group as well but it's literally half the price and it groups good enough so I've been tempted. Now that I see your test and how it breaks up I know it would kill a deer (or pig) but I'd be eating chunks of it in every meal wouldn't I :D So for hunting I'll stick with the Federal stuff.
Interesting note though, when I was testing at 100 yards every brand of 7.62x39 I could find, the Wolf Polyformance FMJ (NOT THE HP) was near match grade consistency. No other round I tested was better than it, most at 2 MOA but the Polyformance was .5 MOA every time. Even Hornady was 1 MOA.
IF someone wanted to make super consistent shots with a 7.62x39 that should be their first test/choice. Surprised me quiet a bit, but the machines that make Wolf must be packing them consistent and the poly coating must help them all hit a sweet spot because the other Wolf types didn't do any better than other Russian or steel brands of ammo.
Good to know.😎👍
Hi tools
Can you rest some 7.62 x 39 soft points? Thanks!
ruclips.net/video/t3knhOz5Q0k/видео.html I have this one I did not long ago, but I also have another one with the PPU rifle line round nose soft points coming soon.
@@ToolsandTargets thanks tools. I love your videos. You’re my go to source for info on ammo and carry options. Keep up the great work. We really appreciate it.
@@ToolsandTargets I hunt with Tula 154 grain soft points.
7.62x39 is a cartridge with enough power to be really useful for a woodsman's hunting cartridge for typical woods ranges and deer size animals. A little bolt action carbine in 7.62x39 would take a lot of game to 300 pounds with no issue when fed decent bullets. Kind of a simple "working" cartridge easily enough. If you were a subsistence hunter living in the woods, it would deliver what you need regularly and with economy.
Yessir😎👍
I love these rifle caliber tests. Keep them coming! 😄👍
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The bear ammo is the best no doubt in jelly target and in chronograph test 👍
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Silver and Brown Bear ammo is hard to find BIG TIME. Only website I have seen it on is GunRobber. The Red Army Standard in the red boxes was excellent ammo too. You Can't find that any where now! The RAS black and white boxes of it now are NOT the same. Remember the RAS Range Packs that were cheap a few years ago? Try finding one now....
The speed is why the steel core rounds will go through an engine block ! Really some fun stuff to play with !
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These aren't steel core rounds. Only the cases and jackets are steel. They both have lead cores.
@@boomerisadog3899 Yes I know . I have steel core rounds and the speed makes them kick ass ! Now I gotta send some to Brian for a test :)
😎😎😎😎😎😎 Are you going to test the RAS 8V3's anytime soon? Those will REALLY make a mess out of your Jelly....😲😲😲😲
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Great info, thanks for sharing. You should do accuracy testing
Great video thanks! I have used the Russian and Chinese steel case for years it's all the same. The packaging is all just a gimmick. Nice PSA tool you got there!
Thank you sir. Appreciate that!😎👍
Now big hoss, I for sure would not want to be on the business end of either one of them. Thanks for the AK love brother.
Amen to that!
I have heard that the AK is safe for indoor because it will not over penetrate. It looks safe to me. Great test.
It's a beast for sure.
Just went to my LGS to my surprise they had probably 500 rounds of silver bear 7.62 x39 HP picked up 3 boxes for $10 each
I bought a shitton of Belom and Norma 7.62X39 ammo over the summer for the reloadable brass…but I do have quite a bit of the Russian stuff from all the manufacturers as backups…Love your channel and content 👍🤘👍🤘👍🤘
Thank you sir. I have quite a bit of the Belom too.
@@ToolsandTargets Belom ammo rocks 👍🤘👍🤘👍🤘👍
Belom and Norma have been cheap enough to buy brass x39 lately.
Lol that Bear!! Loved this Tools!!!
Thank you ma'am. Had to hose it off and hit it with the heat gun to get it cleaned back up and finish the vid.😆😆😆
@@ToolsandTargets lol. Worth it!! At least for us viewers!!
If you could, would you do a test among the 3 common brass ammo atm?
PPU white box (15rd M67)
Igman (looks like a condom box, 15rd)
And Belom (nice plastic case with green sealant)?
I have an AR in 7.62x39 and have a case of the Wolf that I am using and replacing with brass as I shoot it up. I’m in CT so we can’t have a traditional AK so it’s the “other” AR platform that I am using. Seems a bit hard on the extractor and have more problems compared to brass. It was cheap and had it before Covid
I have a few hundred rounds of brass but I have actually never even ran a single round of it. I think I have enough steel cased ammo to melt down and build a battleship.😆
@@ToolsandTargets Thats pretty funny
23in barrels seem to produce the most velocity with 7.62x39. Most SKS have a 20.5 in. barrel.
Makes sense.
I'd like to see a chrono test on some of that steel case 7.62x39mm through a bolt action such as the Ruger American Ranch or the CZ 527. Curious how much loss there is tapping gas off to operate the action of a semi-auto.
I've been on the lookout for a bolt action in 7.62x39 to show up locally for a couple years.
@@ToolsandTargets, best of luck, shooting cheap steel case accurately is a lot of fun!
Any chance for Barnaul 762x39 hp vs sp?? Iv used the Barnual HP 123gr on deer hunts with great success
Good video tools try hornady black sst 7.62x39 in my sks it's accurate gonna try for a deer with it this season
Thank you sir.💥🦌💥
Some awesome devastation ..great comparison tools
Thank you sir.
I believe these have a steel jacket instead of a copper alloy jacket. I think the ppu round nose soft point might perform better.
Yeah, they're both a bi-metal jacket. I think those PPU are gonna do good.
What's the lesson here with the Jelly in this particular case? Strap the Jelly to the table so it doesn't boogie off the table.
Nah, it's always put a tarp down on the ground. I definitely wouldn't wanna strap it down.
My sks went 3 round burst with wolf ammo its the sensitive primers & floating firing pin on sks this was several years back .
I think I'd stock up on that then!😆
Why is it so hard to find the ballistic data on WPA ammo? 🤔
You went and killed your jelly .😱
I found out it voted for Biden.
@@ToolsandTargets Shoot it again !
Can't even trust your own jelly...dadgum. @ToolsandTargets
Damn, those are both nasty rounds... Does the Tulammo explode in the jell like these did?
Yep, Tula HP is what I used on the HP vs SP test a few weeks ago. Looked almost identical.
How are you liking that PSA GF3 I had my eye on it for a bit just keep finding something else I would rather have first. Have a good one brother see you on the next one.
Love this rifle. It has been absolutely perfect.😎👍
Thanks for the testing video. Would like to see performance accuracy/ grouping at 100 yds / 200 yds.
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That stuff is still pretty nasty! Used to have the 154gr tula soft points that was a lot of guys go to cheap hog round. The only soft points I have is golden bear 125gr soft points. Most of my stash is fmj that’s just what was on sale mostly. Makes me think if they used this in war how much more horrific the wounds would be compared to the fmj on the battle field. Interesting stuff as always.
Go shot those golden bears at 100yards in about 10 milk jugs. You will be disappointed.
Some crazy damage for sure.
Probably both made by and in the TulAmmo factory
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Barnaul is probably the best Russian ammo there is. They make all the bear line of ammo, and probably made those wolf rounds as well, wolf is an importer not a brand.
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Vympel
@andrewgates8158 Vympel is good as well, but it's harder to find, and as far as hunting ammo I've only ever seen hp's from them, I prefer a soft point for hunting.
Another great test Tools..🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thank you sir. Have a great weekend!
Would be nice to see FMJ performance.
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Now that was a cool test thanks
Thank you siir.😎👊
How are you likin the psa ak?
Love it. It has been absolutely perfect through a few thousand rounds now at least.
I need to try to get myself some gel blocks if I can find the money
They sure aint cheap.😣
Nice video again I was going to order the gf3 how you liking it and how is it holding up and performing thx TNT
Thank you sir. I would buy another one in a minute. It has been perfect.
The Bear versus The Wolf….fighters….to yur corners…may the best round win!
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👍👍 great video thanks man very cool 😎
Thank you sir. Appreciate you!
Good test Tool's.
Thank you sir.😎👍
Tools version of Mutual of Omaha's wild kingdom🤣🤣🤣
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Good stuff
Thank you sir
🐻 wins over the 🐺(barely) gonna have to get some long jelly bungee cords to keep the blocks on the table lol! they both sure smacked that jelly hard! man either of those are bad to the 🦴's! Happy Friday! 👍
Powah!
Man i wish we lived closer to each other brother!!!
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I want to see underwood’s 7.62x39 they are the the best hollows for me
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@@ToolsandTargets they are going to be so smooth to shoot and they are going to impress u
They would both destroy whatever they hit great rounds Stay Safe and God Bless Happy Veterans Day to all who served and who are serving Thank You 🙏🙏
Lots of power to the target. 😎👊
what is the most accurate 7.62 x 39mm of all, my brother?
I've never really tested em for groups. They all ring the steel at 100 yards on a 12" wide silhouette, so that's plenty accurate for me. Minute of man.👍
Wonder if that lacquer seal is getting a tighter fit in the bore resulting in higher pressure and higher velocity. It’s either that or it’s just different powder type or same powder with higher charge.
Didn't think about that. Could possibly be.😎👍
I think they would work in my pistol just fine.
Yessir😎👍
Wolf was more consistent. That wins over speed any day
the silver bear is more accurate than tula in 7.62 fmj for me in my bolt gun
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as i suspected. now golden tiger vs wolf military classic
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I run only Tula and have some steel core as well. The standard Tula is great stuff, but when you go to HP ammo, it is total devastation on anything you stick it in. I've easily taken many a deer and hogs with my 7.62, and it's very humane as they don't go very far, or even go anywhere after taking the shot. No better sound than a cachunka chunka when having fun.
Yessir. these HP's are just nasty.😎👍
Nice test 👍
Appreciate that, brother.😎👊
I prefer the wolf over the bear and like shooting them out of my zastava
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Ouch x 2! 😂👊👍
Bigtime!
👍😊🎯 only one jumped off the table.
Mhmm
Mr. Wolf weakened it then the bear finished it off
Shooting in a t-shirt LOL its 23 degrees with a 18 MPH wind , wind chill of 8 degrees . Those will stop any threat that they smack , good test . Thanks
Crazy weather right now. This was Tuesday. Had a jacket on Thursday.😆😆