Will really puts it perfectly when he says that the Meltzer ratings don’t benefit him financially but it helps him be spotlighted when Meltzer with the audience he has, talks and praises his matches therefore being able to negotiate new deals and find more work. I think the most that’s about the best impact it can have being able to secure wrestlers jobs but people do have to keep in mind that it’s really just one man’s opinion. You don’t need Dave to validate you. If you think a Kurt Angle match or a Bianca Belair match was 5 stars that should be good enough for you.
Even cornette in his recent podcasts has praised Ospreay's work to some extent and it shows why. He is the perfect modern day hybrid wrestler who can work any style seemlessly.
Agreed. The one really good thing about Dave is he sort of acts as a time machine from the mid 80s thru the mid 90s when there wasn't a tone of other content like it. By the mid 90s and especially the late 90s, a ton of "dirt sheets" popped up but when you're doing an episode on Royal Rumble 1989, Meltzer's magazine is a great source of the goings on of the wrestling business at that time. I think he is entitled to his opinion as far as star ratings. The thing that always bugged me was the definitive nature of the way he gave the star ratings. Some writers will make it obvious their ratings are based on their opinions. Dave's come across like they are objective facts.
@@mattm7798 if you take his opinions as facts that's on you, I don't see any validity to the claim that he acts like they're objective facts. Can you back that up with an example?
Not really, just dumb marks. Anyone with half a brain ignores Meltzer and Alvarez as non-existent just like what culture, only dumb marks listen. Ignore the idiots and talking wrestling is great
I don't understand why people treat that 5 star rating system of Dave's like it's the Bible or something. Sometimes I lose my brain cells. You're own opinion of what a match is (5 stars, 7 stars, etc) matters more than someone's rating system
It's funny how the people who care about it the most... are the people who constantly talk about how it doesn't matter and it sucks. People are so obsessed with talking shit about how good wrestlers are just chasing star ratings while we're here like "yeah that was a pretty good match wasn't it?"
The problem i have with fans when talking about the star ratings is that they forget that 3 and over is a positive score. Ive seen so many times where a match will be like 3 3/4 stars and people will go “he doesn’t understand good wrestling when he sees it” despite him thinking whatever it was was good.
I've been watching professional wrestling for 15 years now and I'm still not really sure who Dave Meltzler is or what is his importance to the industry for people to take his ratings so seriously.
I like that he said what match he didn’t think deserved 5 stars, that match wasn’t my favorite, but I thoughts it was really good, and admittedly when I heard it got 5 stars i rolled my eyes, which again I liked the match, I liked everyone in the match, but it wasn’t a 5 star match, but like he says here, it’s subjective.
The 5 star matches don’t mean a thing. It’s not a coincidence that all the guys that are friends with Dave like The Elite have more 5 star matches than Shawn Michaels smh.
@Andrew Vazquez don't you dummies see the irony of typing up paragraph after paragraph about how "meaningless" his reviews are? Stop talking about them if they're so meaningless, oh you can't because they live rent free in your head 😂
@Andrew Vazquez the joke is that you think any wrestler is out there actually trying to get star ratings from Meltzer. No, they're trying to put on a good fucking match.
He has more 5 star matches than the entire Ruthless Aggression, Attitude Era, New Era, and the current era combined. Which good for him, but it shows that Meltzer does have an agenda with his ratings, and he doesn’t give WWE matches a fair shake, and with some of the WWE matches between mania 17-28 with some of the talent involved never to have a five star match, it should be criminal.
@@celtic69 do we not know what an agenda means? It’s was definitely an agenda that Daniel Bryan got 0 5 Star matches in WWE and 3 in AEW in first five months. And yes he had some good matches in AEW, but he had some equally fantastic matches in the fed, CM Punk in 2011 comes to mind, the rematch from Mania between Shamus and Bryan was a banger as well. AJ and Bryan for the WWE title as basically perfect, one of the matches with Cena (one of AJ’s matches with Cena should have also gotten 5, but whatever) I’m just saying if Tanahashi is getting 5 after 5 star match D-Bry should have earned a few as well.
That Kurt Angle doesn’t have one line was cold 🥶and spot on. When all is said and done far more ppl will remember Stone Cold and The Rock than they did Will Ospreay and Kenny Omega. It’s just a fact. Entertainment vs wrestling is what WWE has always rooted themselves in.
I stil don't understand why he just decided one day that modern matches are apparently so good that he needed another 2 stars. Barely anything today holds up to prime Kurt or Shawn vs Taker
Oh come on,kurt angle didn't have a 5-star match in his career.kurt angle had more classic matches in his career than these so called modern day wrestlers would have.if you don't believe me,let me name some of them.1)Brock vs kurt angle ,60-minute iron-man match on smackdown for WWE championship 2)shawn michaels vs kurt angle ,Wrestlemania 21 3)kurt angle vs the undertaker ,No Way Out 2006 for the World heavyweight championship and the list goes on and on. These marquee matches were way more significant than the now-a-days bcoz they represent a wrestling character and a perfect storyline to display on the card.
I will never take Meltzer's ratings seriously when these matches have 5 star ratings. Gunther vs Sheamus vs Drew McIntyre, The Usos vs Sami Zayn And Kevin Owens, and Johnny Gargano vs Ciampa are all 5 star rated matches but the following arent: Macho Man Randy Savage vs Ricky The Dragon Steamboat WM3, Bret Hart Vs Mr Perfect SS 1991, Bret Hart vs Chris Benoit Owen hart tribute match Nitro 99, Chris Benoit Vs Triple H vs Shawn Michaels WM20 & backlash 2004, Kurt Angle vs Shawn Michaels WM 21, Chris Jericho vs Chris Benoit ladder match royal rumble 2001, Chris Benoit Vs Kurt Angle RR 2003, Kurt Angle Vs Brock Lesnar smackdown Iron man match, Triple H vs Stone Cold Steve Austin 3 stages of Hell No Way Out 2001, and The Dudley Boyz vs Edge and Christain vs The Hardy Boyz TLC 2 WM 17. The fact that those matches are 4.75 star rated and AEW has dozens of 5 star ratings completely invalidates Meltzer's opinion forever in my opinion.
I disagree with Will at 0:35 . Taste is definitely subjective but what’s good and bad is easy to pin point in wrestling. Bad: Chris Jericho feuds. NOBODY ever comes out looking better from it. Good: MJF vs CM Punk feud. Bad: A Canadian destroyer on top of two tables for a pop that ends in injury. Good: FTR vs The Briscoes 1,2 or 3.
Will ostrach said it right there that even Eric Bishchoff stated how Meltzer effects wrestlers careers because of his BS star ratings and I love chris threw in the kurt angle never getting 5 stars like really ? out of all the wrestlers ?
Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle vs Rey Mysterio and Edge at No Mercy 2002 was the best tag team match of all time, in my opinion. Meltzer gave it 4 and three quarters. What an asshole
I agree. Don’t know much about Will but seeing everyone else hyping this guy up I just don’t think his style would fit into the WWE mold. Typically because WWE wants you to slow down your style so you can have a lengthy career.
Yeah, I don't think Will Ospreay going to WWE, changing his name to Wont Falcon, fighting Ricochet once or twice to give the fans the matches they expect from him, then burying him via bloated roster and creative mismanagement would be as over. See: Nakamura's run Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with if the talent is fine with it, it must be nice to get paid that much, not have to worry about being the top guy, and then just chill out doodling on an alt account and surfing whenever you want. I know people who would kill for that kind of lifestyle
The reason why people have a problem with having an Ospreay style with other styles is that one match you have a 250 pounder losing to a superkick, then you have a barely 200 pounder no selling superkicks, pile drivers etc. It doesn't really make sense when you're attempting to tell a somewhat realistic story.
Why do people buy in to dave meltzers 5 star rating system for? 😅 like its some mega fans opinion. So bizarre that people take it as gospel just because he has a newsletter. 😂😂
My personal opinion on the comedy stuff (orange cassidy). We all know it’s not a legitimate sport, but I don’t wanna be reminded it’s fake every 5 seconds with stupid slow kicks that don’t do anything. The reason I fell in love with “pro” wrestling is when two guys or girls make it look like they’re killing each other but they’re safe as can be. IMO, that’s pro wrestling.
To the "buffet" point..... wrestling can be all those things, as long as it's in the context of a wrestling show, and the wrestling show itself doesn't just become random matches that each do their own gimmicks completely detached from one another. Wrestling isn't just a grab bag of scatter shot styles for stand alone matches meant to be watched in a vacuum. Wrestling can be funny at moments, wrestling can be technical at moments.... but this idea like "oh those guys are working a '____ kind of match'" isn't the same thing.... Wrestling is wrestling, and you incorporate different element into the situation when the context of the narrative suits it.... you don't try to make wrestling into something else because you think its cool or fun. This whole "wrestling can be anything" thing is corny... i get that fans think that it helps sell it to a bigger audience, but it's a fallacy and its actually completely counter productive to the business overall.
They explained it & gave perfect evidence as to why it does not matter. Kurt Angle, zero 5 star matches, Bret Hart -2, Shawn Michaels -2, The Rock-0. Give me a break.
Watch the full interview with Will Ospreay: ruclips.net/video/bCiRoqkxwQM/видео.html
Love It CVV CLIPS Bro
One of the greatest wrestlers on the planet and still so humble and honest Will seems like a cool dude to hang with
Osprey is such a cool dude. His head is screwed on and he's so humble.
Will really puts it perfectly when he says that the Meltzer ratings don’t benefit him financially but it helps him be spotlighted when Meltzer with the audience he has, talks and praises his matches therefore being able to negotiate new deals and find more work. I think the most that’s about the best impact it can have being able to secure wrestlers jobs but people do have to keep in mind that it’s really just one man’s opinion. You don’t need Dave to validate you. If you think a Kurt Angle match or a Bianca Belair match was 5 stars that should be good enough for you.
Dave will rate Kurt Angle v. Bianca Belair a 10 stars (probably)
thats a problem it shows how much power he impacts these talents careers
Even cornette in his recent podcasts has praised Ospreay's work to some extent and it shows why. He is the perfect modern day hybrid wrestler who can work any style seemlessly.
but hes not gonna give him 5 stars
He would he really good if he actually sells.
There is nothing wrong with Meltzer having a star system... but the value fans put in that star system is goofy af.
The amount of attention people give his stars is embarrassing
Shut up.
#superkickparty
Agreed. The one really good thing about Dave is he sort of acts as a time machine from the mid 80s thru the mid 90s when there wasn't a tone of other content like it. By the mid 90s and especially the late 90s, a ton of "dirt sheets" popped up but when you're doing an episode on Royal Rumble 1989, Meltzer's magazine is a great source of the goings on of the wrestling business at that time.
I think he is entitled to his opinion as far as star ratings. The thing that always bugged me was the definitive nature of the way he gave the star ratings. Some writers will make it obvious their ratings are based on their opinions. Dave's come across like they are objective facts.
He literally has no credibility left in part because of his ratings.
@@mattm7798 if you take his opinions as facts that's on you, I don't see any validity to the claim that he acts like they're objective facts. Can you back that up with an example?
Not really, just dumb marks. Anyone with half a brain ignores Meltzer and Alvarez as non-existent just like what culture, only dumb marks listen. Ignore the idiots and talking wrestling is great
I don't understand why people treat that 5 star rating system of Dave's like it's the Bible or something. Sometimes I lose my brain cells. You're own opinion of what a match is (5 stars, 7 stars, etc) matters more than someone's rating system
It's funny how the people who care about it the most... are the people who constantly talk about how it doesn't matter and it sucks. People are so obsessed with talking shit about how good wrestlers are just chasing star ratings while we're here like "yeah that was a pretty good match wasn't it?"
The problem i have with fans when talking about the star ratings is that they forget that 3 and over is a positive score. Ive seen so many times where a match will be like 3 3/4 stars and people will go “he doesn’t understand good wrestling when he sees it” despite him thinking whatever it was was good.
Such a humble down to Earth dude.
Meltzer and his star ratings , I liken to Kiper Jr's mock drafts. It gives fans something to talk about.
He said it best, it's subjectice.
How do you not give HBK vs Angle at WM21 five stars?! Damn..
Seriously! That was a classic!
I think Dave has a certain style of wrestling he likes
@@Green.P3 yeah he admitted it,
@@showgamez5257 Source ?
@@Green.P3 same podcast but with Meltzer, look it up
Chris beniot vs kurt angle royal rumble 2003 is a 5 star match
No is rating 4.75 by Meltzer, but i think this match should be a five star
I've been watching professional wrestling for 15 years now and I'm still not really sure who Dave Meltzler is or what is his importance to the industry for people to take his ratings so seriously.
I like that he said what match he didn’t think deserved 5 stars, that match wasn’t my favorite, but I thoughts it was really good, and admittedly when I heard it got 5 stars i rolled my eyes, which again I liked the match, I liked everyone in the match, but it wasn’t a 5 star match, but like he says here, it’s subjective.
The 5 star matches don’t mean a thing. It’s not a coincidence that all the guys that are friends with Dave like The Elite have more 5 star matches than Shawn Michaels smh.
Lmao Daniel Bryan got his first 5 star match when he went to aew and Kurt angle ne er had one 😂😂
People never say what match should be 5 stars, Charles Barkley never won a championship so what
@Andrew Vazquez don't you dummies see the irony of typing up paragraph after paragraph about how "meaningless" his reviews are? Stop talking about them if they're so meaningless, oh you can't because they live rent free in your head 😂
@Andrew Vazquez the joke is that you think any wrestler is out there actually trying to get star ratings from Meltzer. No, they're trying to put on a good fucking match.
@@pleaseshutup7053 I'm not disagreeing with you, but Danielson never had a match in WWE that was as good as his AEW matches
What a humble guy
He has more 5 star matches than the entire Ruthless Aggression, Attitude Era, New Era, and the current era combined. Which good for him, but it shows that Meltzer does have an agenda with his ratings, and he doesn’t give WWE matches a fair shake, and with some of the WWE matches between mania 17-28 with some of the talent involved never to have a five star match, it should be criminal.
It’s not an agenda, jesus christ, it’s just his opinion and what style of wrestling he likes
😂 it’s a conspiracy
@celtic69 which is an agenda
@@celtic69 do we not know what an agenda means? It’s was definitely an agenda that Daniel Bryan got 0 5 Star matches in WWE and 3 in AEW in first five months. And yes he had some good matches in AEW, but he had some equally fantastic matches in the fed, CM Punk in 2011 comes to mind, the rematch from Mania between Shamus and Bryan was a banger as well. AJ and Bryan for the WWE title as basically perfect, one of the matches with Cena (one of AJ’s matches with Cena should have also gotten 5, but whatever) I’m just saying if Tanahashi is getting 5 after 5 star match D-Bry should have earned a few as well.
@@christophermarang.3569 will literally explains in the video it’s just Dave’s opinion and people shouldn’t get caught up about it
That Kurt Angle doesn’t have one line was cold 🥶and spot on. When all is said and done far more ppl will remember Stone Cold and The Rock than they did Will Ospreay and Kenny Omega. It’s just a fact. Entertainment vs wrestling is what WWE has always rooted themselves in.
I stil don't understand why he just decided one day that modern matches are apparently so good that he needed another 2 stars. Barely anything today holds up to prime Kurt or Shawn vs Taker
Inflation
5:52 I'd argue the Ibushi shot of will looking back at home is the most badass scene in modern wrestling.
"its gonna be real good when i gonna on the market then innit"
Meltzer's ratings in the 80s and 90s were pretty solid, but now they are just a joke.
Hey Chris which angle match is 5 stars ?
No it's 4.75, but it should be a 5 star
You're a moron
It's like that hip hop magazine that gave 5 mics .it used to. Be Legit but then it just personal preference
When he puts an Orange Cassidy match over Steamboat v Macho man wrestlemania 3 , then you can't be taken seriously in life.
Oh come on,kurt angle didn't have a 5-star match in his career.kurt angle had more classic matches in his career than these so called modern day wrestlers would have.if you don't believe me,let me name some of them.1)Brock vs kurt angle ,60-minute iron-man match on smackdown for WWE championship 2)shawn michaels vs kurt angle ,Wrestlemania 21
3)kurt angle vs the undertaker ,No Way Out 2006 for the World heavyweight championship and the list goes on and on.
These marquee matches were way more significant than the now-a-days bcoz they represent a wrestling character and a perfect storyline to display on the card.
I will never take Meltzer's ratings seriously when these matches have 5 star ratings.
Gunther vs Sheamus vs Drew McIntyre, The Usos vs Sami Zayn And Kevin Owens, and Johnny Gargano vs Ciampa are all 5 star rated matches but the following arent:
Macho Man Randy Savage vs Ricky The Dragon Steamboat WM3, Bret Hart Vs Mr Perfect SS 1991, Bret Hart vs Chris Benoit Owen hart tribute match Nitro 99, Chris Benoit Vs Triple H vs Shawn Michaels WM20 & backlash 2004, Kurt Angle vs Shawn Michaels WM 21, Chris Jericho vs Chris Benoit ladder match royal rumble 2001, Chris Benoit Vs Kurt Angle RR 2003, Kurt Angle Vs Brock Lesnar smackdown Iron man match, Triple H vs Stone Cold Steve Austin 3 stages of Hell No Way Out 2001, and The Dudley Boyz vs Edge and Christain vs The Hardy Boyz TLC 2 WM 17. The fact that those matches are 4.75 star rated and AEW has dozens of 5 star ratings completely invalidates Meltzer's opinion forever in my opinion.
That last point made me laugh out loud soo much.
He’ll get that 7 star soon. Maybe this G1 even becomes he’s putting in some bangers
2:31 lmaoooo
In my opinion osprey has to be the best wrestler to ever step in the ring
In my opinion you haven't seen many wrestlers.
@Kratosx23 have you seen one Ospreay match? 😂😂
ONE of the best.
Just wrestle in the tokyo dome, print stonks become legend
Para mi las estrellas significan algo, ya que es una clasificacion inventada pero pues es un valor agregado a las luchas!!
Exacto, es como los premios Oscar para las películas. No van a ser mejores por ganarlos pero te tientan a verlas por tener ese reconocimiento
Stars ratings don't matter, but when a match I liked gets 5 stars, that makes me hard
I have never heard this much British in any type of media 😅
I disagree with Will at 0:35 . Taste is definitely subjective but what’s good and bad is easy to pin point in wrestling.
Bad: Chris Jericho feuds. NOBODY ever comes out looking better from it.
Good: MJF vs CM Punk feud.
Bad: A Canadian destroyer on top of two tables for a pop that ends in injury.
Good: FTR vs The Briscoes 1,2 or 3.
How does kurt not have a 5star match wtf....
Will ostrach said it right there that even Eric Bishchoff stated how Meltzer effects wrestlers careers because of his BS star ratings and I love chris threw in the kurt angle never getting 5 stars like really ? out of all the wrestlers ?
I don’t think the “stars” Meltzer gives you will help you in the market when you also admit to not being comfortable doing “tv wrestling”.
One of the best to ever do it
He looks like to Marvin Vettori ... small version of Vettori
I can see all the triggered wwe stans right now 😂
no one is triggered cause the majority don't care about "5 star ratings" 😂
Meltzer gave Jenna vs Sharmell -4 stars, when it's a 7 star classic.....
Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle vs Rey Mysterio and Edge at No Mercy 2002 was the best tag team match of all time, in my opinion. Meltzer gave it 4 and three quarters. What an asshole
😂😂
It's just one persons opinion
Then on the other hand
That opinion helps with contract negotiation 😂😂
Wow Kurt seriously never got a 5 star? That's honestly criminal....
If you think he has a 5⭐️ match, thats good enough, just becuase one mans opion on wrestlers matches, doesnt mean it should change yours.
Why is it some law that Kurt Angle must have 5 star match? It's such a dumb argument.
"comedy match" 😆
I feel like CVV was very subtly tryna tell Will he’s not as good as Kurt or Shawn and that’s why the ratings are ridiculous 😂😂
Apparently aj styles has never had a 5 stars match that tells you all you need to know
They don' ma'ah
Great job at the end showing how meaningless the Star system is by pointing out that Will has more 5 star matches than the WWE combined. 😂
as a wwe guy i really hope he comes to wwe but honestly i dont think hes gonna be as over as he is now
I agree. Don’t know much about Will but seeing everyone else hyping this guy up I just don’t think his style would fit into the WWE mold. Typically because WWE wants you to slow down your style so you can have a lengthy career.
Yeah, I don't think Will Ospreay going to WWE, changing his name to Wont Falcon, fighting Ricochet once or twice to give the fans the matches they expect from him, then burying him via bloated roster and creative mismanagement would be as over. See: Nakamura's run
Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with if the talent is fine with it, it must be nice to get paid that much, not have to worry about being the top guy, and then just chill out doodling on an alt account and surfing whenever you want. I know people who would kill for that kind of lifestyle
The reason why people have a problem with having an Ospreay style with other styles is that one match you have a 250 pounder losing to a superkick, then you have a barely 200 pounder no selling superkicks, pile drivers etc. It doesn't really make sense when you're attempting to tell a somewhat realistic story.
WWE would ruin this guys career like they did richochet's.
5 star matches dont draw
no it doesnt
dave is a geeky obsessed wrestling fan that pretends to be a journalist. 😂😂
Why do people buy in to dave meltzers 5 star rating system for? 😅 like its some mega fans opinion. So bizarre that people take it as gospel just because he has a newsletter. 😂😂
5 star ratings are for indies guys who need exposure
Dave Biased Meltzer
One guy has more stars then WWE and NXT combined
Ffs
My personal opinion on the comedy stuff (orange cassidy). We all know it’s not a legitimate sport, but I don’t wanna be reminded it’s fake every 5 seconds with stupid slow kicks that don’t do anything. The reason I fell in love with “pro” wrestling is when two guys or girls make it look like they’re killing each other but they’re safe as can be. IMO, that’s pro wrestling.
Jim Cornette: 😑
Ain't no one other than Tony Khan going to be putting any money down on Meltzer star ratings.
Why? Bc meltzer isn’t wwe simp?
bro u care about meltzer's ratings wayy to much. there not supposed to be taken as a fact or an actual accomplishment so who cares fr?
I like how osprey low key buries uncle dave. Dave meltzer is a joke lol.
To the "buffet" point..... wrestling can be all those things, as long as it's in the context of a wrestling show, and the wrestling show itself doesn't just become random matches that each do their own gimmicks completely detached from one another.
Wrestling isn't just a grab bag of scatter shot styles for stand alone matches meant to be watched in a vacuum.
Wrestling can be funny at moments, wrestling can be technical at moments.... but this idea like "oh those guys are working a '____ kind of match'" isn't the same thing.... Wrestling is wrestling, and you incorporate different element into the situation when the context of the narrative suits it.... you don't try to make wrestling into something else because you think its cool or fun.
This whole "wrestling can be anything" thing is corny... i get that fans think that it helps sell it to a bigger audience, but it's a fallacy and its actually completely counter productive to the business overall.
Cornette should hear these stats
Nobody should give a rats hole about Dave's biased opinion
imagine giving credit to one of the most bias "journalist" and use his subjective view as something "credible"
How many times has Meltzer s**ked this guy off ya think? Or Vice Versa? They both seem more the giving type.
Talking about star ratings is fucking cringe and I wish it was never a thing.
They explained it & gave perfect evidence as to why it does not matter. Kurt Angle, zero 5 star matches, Bret Hart -2, Shawn Michaels -2, The Rock-0. Give me a break.
There was some idjot wrestler who said the samething. Wrestling first of all should have conflict. Then you add the comedy or whatever.