‘TV’ shows have also faded away for ‘streaming shows’ which are more akin to the old TV miniseries as opposed to the actual TV series of Network TV. Budgets are bigger, but seasons are shorter. And While they are broken out into ‘episodes’ most streaming shows are just parts of some long for story instead of individualized self-contained episodes. Most streaming shows I had a hard time remembering distinct episodes because it’s just one big multipart story.
Awhile ago I would’ve said something like, “TV Shows are better because you can spend more time with the characters, world, and story.” But at the same time, not everyone has time to watch twenty plus episodes of a TV Show, and what if the series ends badly.I know it’s about the journey not the destination, but a bad ending to a TV Show is probably worse than a bad ending to a Film Series because of how long a tv show can be. Unless you’re watching an episodic show(You know, a tv show where almost if not every episode is stand alone.), TV shows are a little risky.
We need both the movie and tv show format we've had for a while because it doesn't always make sense to turn the type of story it is into a tv show. Currently the "tv shows" are like watching a hollywood movie but they will only have problems choosing the right format if they only stick to this short mini episodic movie type thing they're doing it just won't work for many types of stories. As for 20 plus episodes the thing is nobody had to try and keep up with the schedule that was just peer pressures lol even when there was no internet we could just buy it on dvd and watch and dvds are still being sold for shows, before that vhs for a little while. Before that i guess people had to keep up and they were longer than what we know as the long haul shows we had they used to have over 30 episodes.
An average movie is better than a average tv show because tv shows can feel like a waste of time alot of the time. Tv shows definetely have more potential in my opinion with the longer run time which is why I will always prefer tv shows. My favorites tv shows are Dark, Breaking bad and better call saul and attack on titan.
Yeah exactly! I have no problem watching an average movie but almost never start a show unless it’s a must watch or something I’m very interested in as it’s a huge commitment
@@FilmStack Same for me. I prefer watching a 2-hour movie at the theaters. I never liked following series. If they could make more TV shows that you don't need to remember a 5 -year storyline to understand the plot. Just that each episode has its own story. I don't see these often on platforms in 2023.
@@FilmStack FACTS!!!!! An average film is waaay better primarily due to the more intentional nature of cinema. You can’t have “fillers” whereas in tv you can have whole seasons that do not matter (I’m looking at you Game of Thrones Season 6 💩)!!!
@@marcusjenkins5371 thats my big issue with tv as a medium. Sure maybe u start a 5 season series and love it but theres no telling that after watching years worth of episodes and spending hours upon hours that it all wont be destroyed by a crappy season that makes you not wanna watch anymore. Another thing i hate is sometimes i feel obligated to power through bad seasons cuz i get worried that maybe the show gets really good again and ill end up missing out lol. I love tv shows too but i just think movies are superior as a medium generally speaking. Though it always will be the case that some stories make better tv shows and vice versa
It really depends on the story you are trying to tell. Some would feel awkwardly short in film format, while others run the risk of feeling dragged out over a full series. I for one am glad that TV shows are getting more and more production value. Some of my favourite stories told on screen have come out recently and are TV shows
Yeah. Production value in tv shows has grown. Now they can invest from 5 to 10 million per episode. People also started to spend less time in movie cinema and people nowadays only want to see everything from they home. I don't know will people only go to cinema if film ticket price is 2 euro or dollars.
I feel we are in a golden age of indie films (or on the cusp). A24 releases consistent indie films that are best experienced at a cinema in my opinion (e.g. X, Pearl, Everything Everywhere All at Once). Even aside from A24, recent indie movies (e.g. The Banshees of Inisherin, Emily the Criminal) are creative and entertaining spaces for creators and audiences alike. Great video!
Neon are up there with a24 thanks for saying this I couldn't disagree more with this video lol sounds like it was made by someone who hasn't watched a non blockbuster franchise in the last 10 years
@@Yupstate845 yeah no offense to whoever made the video but the points made are trash lol… even in the first minute them saying that tv shows afford creators more creative control which is just objectively not true. There is independent cinema. There is no independent tv. And then with tv shows the network owns the rights and they can easily fire you whenever they want and torally hijack your production… whereas a film is a one and done deal where you tell your story and then its done
You mentioned that series have narrative flexibility and room for build up several times. Yet you would be hard pressed to show a single series which first episode serves the hitting power of final episode. Series are firmly commercial products which linger on as long as it is financially desirable. Movies however can work towards a singular vision their entire runtime.
As someone who prefers movies to TV shows, I am really annoyed that so many action/adventure stories are constantly turned into a series. I understand why people like TV shows, but they are a lot less exciting to watch than movies. I would love to see a resurgence of original action movies.
I agree with you. TV shows are a long thing to follow, which is the reason I prefer movies. I wonder how people got that much patience for one screen at home. If they would make more TV shows without follow-ups, like the X-Files or something, I would probably buy a TV, lol.
That'll probably happen, I think. Right now it's all fun to stream and sit at home. But there's a new generation coming that will find this boring, and urn for something different than the long form series we have now. Technology is one thing, but people tend to follow trends.
I prefer tv shows over movies because it always seems like they try to cram way too much into such little time, plus you can actually get invested in a tv show.
As someone who's always preferred network television, I am really annoyed at how everything is now streaming what is basically 6 hour long movies. How exciting it is depends on the content.
What a great topic to talk about! There are so many elements that go into our current state of entertainment. Thanks to channels like HBO and streaming services like Netflix and Disney+, TV has come a long ways. They can have a very cinematic quality to them that is unprecedented. It's nuts how much content is produced each year for television and movies. It's like ice cream flavors, how do you choose!? haha Combine that with a substantial decrease in good theater experiences for many people, it's easy to see how tempting it is to stay home and just stream a new movie for $19.99. I appreciate you mentioning the lack of those mid-range budget dramas that we used to have. I really wish those would come back. It makes me wonder what stories and experiences we are missing in the cinemas. If those kinds of movies would return to the theaters with notable actors in them, I'm curious what theater attendance would look like, as well as the demographics. BTW, I did go and see Avatar 2 twice in theaters, IMAX 3D, this holiday season! It was that good of a movie experience, I had to see it again. I will always prefer movies and the theater experience. There's just too many movies that I love. Happy New Year!!
It’s so true that movie theater experiences are becoming worse. These days we often choose to wait a bit for movies to hit digitally instead of committing an evening to go to theaters just to get the movie ruined by some loud audience members. Especially with how much faster movies are releasing digitally ever since COVID. But there are many movies that you MUST see in theatres, Avatar 2 especially. We haven’t seen it yet but will be checking it out really soon. Glad to hear it’s great and Happy New Year to you as well!
It is very rare for me to watch a movie these days. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that I don't want to commit to a story that will be over in 2h. I want to know their world, talk about the show with friends and all that. I used to be a movie buff growing up but these days I much prefer tvshows.
I think one thing that helped movies gain the upper hand during the original television golden age was that a lot of movies were being televised for the very first time so a whole new audience was being introduced to these films which in turn resulted in renewed interest of movie stars and reminded people why they fell in love with the films in the first place. I agree that there’s really no way for films to surpass tv in the modern era since back then there were only around 3 tv channels and a movie playing on tv would’ve been much more widely watched. Plus, I think tv is easier to know about since you can see new shows recommended in your Netflix queue or commercials during your favorite show advertising new tv series, while with film I feel like I barely ever hear about new movies unless it’s the predictable Marvel or Star Wars movie so I think that in addition to the incredible variety of content and subject matter for television, it’s also easier to discover new television shows to watch while films only seem to gain hype when they’re either a sequel, remake or superhero film, which many of us are tired of at this point so we’d rather stick with the more reliable option of tv since we know there’s so much out there. It’s crazy to think that such an amazing show like Succession is also extremely popular since if that story had been made into a film, no one would’ve probably even heard of it.
It's very difficult for me to start a tv series, Breaking Bad was a rare thing for me I am a long time film buff that prefers the art of film but I will invest time in a series if I really find it appealing but many shows are formaulaic , algorithms are writing much of todays entertainment.
Yeah I'm like "oh this feels like a movie, cool" and as time went on I realised "nope, this is giving me way more than a movie would, but in movie quality" which was a revelation
There was a 5-8 year period in the 2010s where I don't think I watched any new movies. When I finally did watch one again, it felt "unnatural" for lack of a better word that so many events were condensed down to a couple hours. I guess I prefer the gradual story telling as seen in TV shows.
Cool video. I feel like the Disney+ Marvel shows are showing us how "studio production" tv shows are working even less than the movies. Amazing spectacles (John Wick 4) and my favorite directors still get me to theathers, but I think Mr Robot was turning point for me. The greatest TV shows are up there with the best of the movies. And it's amazing.
The idea that viewers saw Avatar 2 for “the spectacle alone” is a huge oversimplification. People go to films to see great filmmakers tell great stories. And James Cameron happens to be one of the greatest directors to ever do that. There’s a reason audiences went out and saw Avatar 2 during the pandemic era and skipped out on CGI spectacles like Jupiter Ascending with bigger movie stars (pre-pandemic era).
Definitely a TV person. I was a huge film nerd in the 90s but basically stopped going to the cinema in the 2000s. At that time, in my 20s, I went deep into foreign and independent films, before pivoting completely to television somewhere around 2010. There really isn’t anything appealing to me about modern films.
I love to see that this discussion is happening, i'm a big believer of more long form storytelling over film anyway, just personal preference, always been that way. And have even recently been talking to my friend how much more popular tv is becoming especially with increased budgets on shows like stranger things, people like contentment and that's in tv, comfort shows, characters etc. Just excited to see this conversation happening online other than just between me and my friend.
Also had this conversation with a friend that lead to the video idea. Yeah these days we’re starting to get all sorts of shows varying way more than films. Not many comfort movies coming out while so many comfort shows are released each year.
@@FilmStack Really glad I found your channel tbf, enjoying the vid. If you were looking for a new video idea as well I’ve just finished the show Atlanta and think that show has so much social commentary and subtext that a RUclips commentary delving into that I think would be great.
Thanks for the comment! And I’ve watched the first two seasons of Atlanta but then they had a few year break before the third season so I’ll have to catch up on that! Awesome show
@@FilmStack no problem man! Keep up the good work! I recently got into it after binging the first two seasons too, a lot of people have apparently disliked the third but it was honestly my favorite at the time only beaten by the fourth!! I strongly recommend them
I enjoy mini series for drama. I can't get into long ass series and movies aren't my thing. But the mini series or limited episode series has been perfected.
Im the opposite, I watch more movies now and less tv shows. The 00s for TV were great, but when the 2010s came they became meh. Even the popular ones I find overrated. I don’t love modern movies either but prefer to watch them cause of the runtimes. I prefer not to waste time on a TV show cause I don’t have much spare time to watch 10+ hours worth per show
I think spin-off tv shows that are a continuation of older classic movies are what people prefer over these legacy sequel movies & legacy sequel trilogies like Halloween & Scream. I love shows like Cobra Kai. Shows like Chucky & Cobra Kai seem to be doing better than all of these legacy sequels probably because you get to pace it better & don't have to cram so much nostalgia & call backs into just two hours or less. With legacy tv series you get to pace it more gradually to where it doesn't feel rushed & new characters you introduce get more time to develop & blend in with the legacy characters in a way that feels natural. Legacy sequels like Terminator Dark Fate, Scream, Halloween Kills & Halloween Ends would probably have gotten much better reactions if they were done as tv shows that you can stretch out into a number of episodes & for as many seasons as many seasons as you need to tell the whole story you need to tell in a way that doesn't feel rushed. Like the whole Corey Cunningham & Allison thing on Halloween Ends. That might have worked if you'd have just made a spin-off tv series & pace it for about two or three seasons so it doesn't feel rushed. I actually liked the Corey, Allison storyline. But I would've liked it much better if it didn't feel so rushed. So, I can understand why so many people hated it. If it were done as a tv show it could've been paced & developed much better. Like the Ash vs Evil Dead show. I know it got canceled before they could get the last season they wanted. But their ratings were good for the first two seasons. & I think it would've probably been way more hated had they tried to rush that story & cram it all into one movie or into a legacy sequel's trilogy. Three whole seasons of a tv show allows them to pace it better & let it flow. Now, I'm not saying the only kind of content they should make now is sequels or spin-offs of old stuff. But all I'm saying is when they do it seems like spin-off tv shows do better at continuing these stories than movies. 🎬📽😎
Another issue I think both formats suffer from is the nature of economics superseding story necessity: with both films and television, stories and the characters that tell them have finite potential for motivations, arcs, emotional growth, development, etc., but all too often, when a move or show is popular, they run the risk of being forcefully continued when, often times, there really isn't any necessary or compelling story to keep telling. But the success of the property ignites the economic machine to create more to capitalize on that success, regardless of whether or not it was ever meant to be more than it originally was. Endless movie sequels, spinoffs, reboots, etc. are bad enough for a lot of stories and characters, but ongoing TV seasons stretch that issue even farther, which makes me less inclined to follow TV series as opposed to films. When I get hooked on a TV show, there's so much more time invested that I find it harder to disconnect when it runs past its due course; a bad sequel or reboot to a film is easier to ignore, to me, at least.
Between 2000 and 2005, I went to the movies with my son literally every weekend. Great time for movies, but shortly thereafter movies started to suck. I really wasn't a TV person before, but right around my exodus from going to the movies, I switched to TV series and haven't looked back. That was around the time shows like Two and a Half Men, House, Lost, Greys Anatomy, 4400, Prison Break, etc. came out.
Also, consuming movies in a theater is much more expensive than consuming TV on streaming. Here in Brazil, going to the movies once will probably cost more than a whole month of Netflix.
Tv for me. The refreshing and risky argument hits it right in the head on why. Sequel Franchising and soulless reboots makes it a very tired medium. Like you've seen one, you've probably seen a dozen. With TV you get more specialized and niched stories that can fit for you. Instead of a one size fits all approach. Also another thing I love about TV is the sense of community you get outside of the show from stuff like forums and conventions. For movies it's not as fun as they go for attracting everybody so you get a lot of conflict and in fighting within the Fandom community, since it's such a wide group of people who don't see eye to eye.
The franchise slump is really only affecting modern Hollywood blockbusters though. There's still foreign and independent film, and the old classics are still just as powerful as they were years ago.
Problem is that people got lazier and attention span got worse. People would not watch like Godfather or 12 angry men if it was made in today era on cinema(i mean if godfather was never created in the first place) . People only can watch everything around 23 minutes to 45 minutes now. Also people won't go to cinema to watch thrillers/drama/mystery/comedy or anything else. Bc in people mind those genre does not worth they time in cinema only at home. That's why in movie theaters you don't see those films that were box office success like in 90's. People just stop going to those films. Also another problem is that people have new entertainment than before. Watching youtubers, listen to podcasters, instagram, tiktoks or play videogames more.
Most Modern TV or as i like to call them Soap Operas (at least most of the time). Usually go on for far too long, run out of ideas way before the show ends and usually ends horribly with it turning out its was boys dream, or they all turn to fairies or some shit. Because they were making it up as they went to long. Movies even when they suck. Dose not waste that much of my time. TV on the other hand waste Tons of my Damn Time. I don't think its Replacing Movies at all. Regardless if you think these Blockbusters suck. There still more people watching that instead of these shows. There still plenty of Indie and foreign films. Its just that people who insist TV is better are, too lazy to watch them. And if you compare the Best Movies ever made. To the Best TV shows ever made. Its not even Close. Movies win Every Time. TV will never have the power of Cinema. I have never been moved to tears by a TV Show. But i have when comes to movies. I didn't cry for Walter White. But i did cry for Oskar Schindler. And people need to stop telling that TV Better. Because it takes 3 times as long to get to the same story.
I used to like movies, then shows. Now movies again because shows are too slow (at least Netflix). I think that since the rise of watching netflix while using tiktok all content has become DUMBED DOWN AND SLOW. I just get bored
In Australia it’s just far too expensive. I don’t want to go to the theatre and pay 20 bucks for a ticket, 15 if I want a drink and pop corn, 8 bucks for parking to watch a movie about a struggling drug addict who is a neglectful mother or to watch some pretentious movie about a character with a disease so some actor can win an Oscar. Nor do I want to see some shitty video game looking marvel movie. I want to see avatar 2, top gun,or good sci-fi films, Tarantino films, Scorsese films, quality action and epics, Christopher Nolan’s and Dennis vilenuve films, movies that were made for the big screen and worth the price of admission.
Sad but true. I'll always watch a movie in the theater I'm interested in, simply because that's what I've done since I was young, I definitely understand the other side of the coin though. Interesting times we are living in..
To me seeing a movie in cinema is probably the worst way to see a movie. I have to leave the home without reason, it costs much more money and you are at the mercy of other people. Somebody checks their phone, or talks during the movie it ruins the experience. I also can't pause the movie to go to the bathroom so it's vastly less convenient. On top of all of this a movie is about two hours of content. Sure, the characters are fun and the world is cool but now I have to wait several years to get another two hours of that content? That's nothing, look at TV show by comparison that can provide you about an hour of entertainment per episode with ten to twelve episodes in a season. The original Star Wars trilogy clocks in at about seven and a half hours of content, spread out over six years. A TV series on the other hand could fill the entire first trilogy of films into just parts of a single season. Assuming twelve episodes at an hour each, that's twelve hours per season and with the same six years that's 72 hours of content. That's two and a half times the runtime of every Star Wars movie combined. Finally the last problem with films is that when I see a movie I don't feel I got something back for my time. With the MCU at least I feel like there's a continuing story, it matters that I watch the film. But a movie that has no continuation, no relation and no connection just feels like a waste of time. Why would I want to waste two hours of my life on a new thing that doesn't contribute to any of the things I have going on already? Put it up on streaming and maybe I'll watch it on the buss to school or something. But going to the cinema to throw two hours of my life into a story that can't even go beyond its own meager runtime? No thank you. In summary: Movies tell less story over a longer period of time, and are deeply hurt by their very limited runtimes. The cinema is a horrible and inconvenient place to watch films, and the only reason I go is to avoid spoilers when new Marvel films come out. Do I regret paying money to see these movies? Yes, but you live in hope that the next episode is going to be good again.
I wish I didn’t have to waste so much time watching tv shows nowadays. Tv shows are fantastic, but movies have their place for a reason. Star Wars replacing movies with tv shows has me absolutely exhausted, for example.
The problem on tv shows is that they take more time than movies and for some reasons rewatching good tv shows don't feel the same as rewatching good movies
I love that every time people debate about TV shows vs movies what they really want to say is American Tv shows vs American movies. Hollywood is trash, it's being trash for quite a while now and it will continue to be trash, however pretending that A) an indie film industry doesn't exist and/or B) international films don't exist is just silly. Sure, there will always be the language barrier for native English (or any other language really) speakers, but that shouldn't be a problem since subtitles exist, and yes Hollywood movies are the ones that are more available nowadays, but I bet you can find film festivals and screenings near you for indie or international films, so let's not pretend there's nothing else beyond our own noses.
Problem is that people don't like to see drama/thrillers/mystery or comedy genres in movie theaters anymore. People only like to watch them at home not in cinema. Studios stop investing in those genres so they only make those films that people love to see in movie theaters.
Peoples lazyness and unecessary hype for garbage TV shows, and garbage blockbusters killed off the cinema, probably forever. Cause it’s not only about money, it’s how people react with content.
As long as films are getting made, I'll never gravitate towards tv shows. For 6 hours, instead of 1 story in a tv show, I can experience 3 different stories in film. Tv shows are nowhere near to films imo.
MOVIES AT THEATERS COST TOO MUCH!!! THEN ADD SNACKS AND IT'S RIDICULOUS!!! AS IVE GOTTEN OLDER I STILL LOVE MOVIES, BUT NOT THEATERS. LOVED DRIVE-INS WERE GREAT. I. IN SO. CAL NO MORE DRIVE INS????? CRAZY!!!
No tv shows have been turned into multiple part movies but i'm not liking it right now at all i have nothing to watch and there's nothing interesting about the stories they're writing and the characters are shallow as can be. The problem is they always only stick to the one format with things they've done it every time in the past but they need to break that cycle because i still want format tv shows have been for a long time otherwise all i'm left with is old tv shows. However tv shows have not been the best it's ever been because they declined the quality a whole lot so i think dustin hoffman is just saying that to save face lol it's been really weak, poor writing and acting, and they don't care anymore they turned into being all about actor fame rather and their attractiveness than being all about the tv shows or movies. Anyone impressed by what's being currently produced need to look back at what we had like miles better there's no words how good it was and the decline in quality started to happen in 2013/2014, that's when the golden age ended the best stuff was throughout the 1990s up until those years but music, games, and book writing started to decline earlier from 2006 onwards. Streaming services haven't been any good whatsoever they'll charge more and more and have even more ads than before and there's certainly no such thing as free accounts because of the amount of ads, they put in like up to 13 in one break. They've also been attempting to do this even on cable tv despite the fact we're paying them to watch these channels we do have. They don't offer enough either and then they take it off before you can watch all the episodes it's just not what we agreed to when paying a monthly subscription so i'm sticking to free streaming. They have solutions now where they can gain money from views and likes but i'd prefer they made a giant archive where we can watch every conceivable tv show and movie, none of the things i'd like to watch are on these streaming services like 1 or 2 shows but again i can't finish them before they take them off which is trying to force binge watching but i don't want to do that and i may be watching 2 shows at the same time for some variety.
growing up i loved movies, i enjoyed a fair number of shows, loved a couple, but really enjoyed movies, these days i prefer shows with gripping narratives and good jokes than 90% of movies, i think the last movie i saw in theatres was Avengers: Endgame and the most recent film was M3gan which was quite good
It's also about the dynamic of society on how movies will play out. The number one motivator for film is family. But since most millennials do not have a family of their own, rather the head of a family, we tend to approach what we like to watch in an individualistic way, where we're not going to the theaters as a family.
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@@JuJuDen47 The MCU is not cinema. To make this fair you should be comparing the best TV to the best of film such as Truffault, Deren, Hitchcock, etc.
Then, I am part of the minority... I do prefer movies! 🧏♀️ But I do watch some series if they are well done. 😌 And I super love the cinema experience 🥰
‘TV’ shows have also faded away for ‘streaming shows’ which are more akin to the old TV miniseries as opposed to the actual TV series of Network TV. Budgets are bigger, but seasons are shorter. And While they are broken out into ‘episodes’ most streaming shows are just parts of some long for story instead of individualized self-contained episodes. Most streaming shows I had a hard time remembering distinct episodes because it’s just one big multipart story.
bring back tv shows.
Awhile ago I would’ve said something like, “TV Shows are better because you can spend more time with the characters, world, and story.” But at the same time, not everyone has time to watch twenty plus episodes of a TV Show, and what if the series ends badly.I know it’s about the journey not the destination, but a bad ending to a TV Show is probably worse than a bad ending to a Film Series because of how long a tv show can be.
Unless you’re watching an episodic show(You know, a tv show where almost if not every episode is stand alone.), TV shows are a little risky.
We need both the movie and tv show format we've had for a while because it doesn't always make sense to turn the type of story it is into a tv show. Currently the "tv shows" are like watching a hollywood movie but they will only have problems choosing the right format if they only stick to this short mini episodic movie type thing they're doing it just won't work for many types of stories.
As for 20 plus episodes the thing is nobody had to try and keep up with the schedule that was just peer pressures lol even when there was no internet we could just buy it on dvd and watch and dvds are still being sold for shows, before that vhs for a little while. Before that i guess people had to keep up and they were longer than what we know as the long haul shows we had they used to have over 30 episodes.
An average movie is better than a average tv show because tv shows can feel like a waste of time alot of the time. Tv shows definetely have more potential in my opinion with the longer run time which is why I will always prefer tv shows. My favorites tv shows are Dark, Breaking bad and better call saul and attack on titan.
Yeah exactly! I have no problem watching an average movie but almost never start a show unless it’s a must watch or something I’m very interested in as it’s a huge commitment
@@FilmStack Same for me. I prefer watching a 2-hour movie at the theaters. I never liked following series. If they could make more TV shows that you don't need to remember a 5 -year storyline to understand the plot. Just that each episode has its own story. I don't see these often on platforms in 2023.
Dark & Attack on Titan are literally as good as storytelling can possibly be
@@FilmStack FACTS!!!!! An average film is waaay better primarily due to the more intentional nature of cinema. You can’t have “fillers” whereas in tv you can have whole seasons that do not matter (I’m looking at you Game of Thrones Season 6 💩)!!!
@@marcusjenkins5371 thats my big issue with tv as a medium. Sure maybe u start a 5 season series and love it but theres no telling that after watching years worth of episodes and spending hours upon hours that it all wont be destroyed by a crappy season that makes you not wanna watch anymore. Another thing i hate is sometimes i feel obligated to power through bad seasons cuz i get worried that maybe the show gets really good again and ill end up missing out lol. I love tv shows too but i just think movies are superior as a medium generally speaking. Though it always will be the case that some stories make better tv shows and vice versa
It really depends on the story you are trying to tell. Some would feel awkwardly short in film format, while others run the risk of feeling dragged out over a full series.
I for one am glad that TV shows are getting more and more production value. Some of my favourite stories told on screen have come out recently and are TV shows
Yeah. Production value in tv shows has grown. Now they can invest from 5 to 10 million per episode. People also started to spend less time in movie cinema and people nowadays only want to see everything from they home. I don't know will people only go to cinema if film ticket price is 2 euro or dollars.
I feel we are in a golden age of indie films (or on the cusp). A24 releases consistent indie films that are best experienced at a cinema in my opinion (e.g. X, Pearl, Everything Everywhere All at Once). Even aside from A24, recent indie movies (e.g. The Banshees of Inisherin, Emily the Criminal) are creative and entertaining spaces for creators and audiences alike. Great video!
skinamarink too
Neon are up there with a24 thanks for saying this I couldn't disagree more with this video lol sounds like it was made by someone who hasn't watched a non blockbuster franchise in the last 10 years
@@Yupstate845 yeah no offense to whoever made the video but the points made are trash lol… even in the first minute them saying that tv shows afford creators more creative control which is just objectively not true. There is independent cinema. There is no independent tv. And then with tv shows the network owns the rights and they can easily fire you whenever they want and torally hijack your production… whereas a film is a one and done deal where you tell your story and then its done
@@Allgloss312finally someone is talking some FACTS here!
X and Pearl were shit
You mentioned that series have narrative flexibility and room for build up several times. Yet you would be hard pressed to show a single series which first episode serves the hitting power of final episode. Series are firmly commercial products which linger on as long as it is financially desirable. Movies however can work towards a singular vision their entire runtime.
As someone who prefers movies to TV shows, I am really annoyed that so many action/adventure stories are constantly turned into a series.
I understand why people like TV shows, but they are a lot less exciting to watch than movies. I would love to see a resurgence of original action movies.
I agree with you. TV shows are a long thing to follow, which is the reason I prefer movies. I wonder how people got that much patience for one screen at home. If they would make more TV shows without follow-ups, like the X-Files or something, I would probably buy a TV, lol.
That'll probably happen, I think. Right now it's all fun to stream and sit at home. But there's a new generation coming that will find this boring, and urn for something different than the long form series we have now. Technology is one thing, but people tend to follow trends.
I prefer tv shows over movies because it always seems like they try to cram way too much into such little time, plus you can actually get invested in a tv show.
As someone who's always preferred network television, I am really annoyed at how everything is now streaming what is basically 6 hour long movies. How exciting it is depends on the content.
You mean you don't prefer the extra long story lines, where at the end, it turns out to be a small boys dream.
What a great topic to talk about! There are so many elements that go into our current state of entertainment. Thanks to channels like HBO and streaming services like Netflix and Disney+, TV has come a long ways. They can have a very cinematic quality to them that is unprecedented. It's nuts how much content is produced each year for television and movies. It's like ice cream flavors, how do you choose!? haha Combine that with a substantial decrease in good theater experiences for many people, it's easy to see how tempting it is to stay home and just stream a new movie for $19.99. I appreciate you mentioning the lack of those mid-range budget dramas that we used to have. I really wish those would come back. It makes me wonder what stories and experiences we are missing in the cinemas. If those kinds of movies would return to the theaters with notable actors in them, I'm curious what theater attendance would look like, as well as the demographics. BTW, I did go and see Avatar 2 twice in theaters, IMAX 3D, this holiday season! It was that good of a movie experience, I had to see it again. I will always prefer movies and the theater experience. There's just too many movies that I love. Happy New Year!!
It’s so true that movie theater experiences are becoming worse. These days we often choose to wait a bit for movies to hit digitally instead of committing an evening to go to theaters just to get the movie ruined by some loud audience members. Especially with how much faster movies are releasing digitally ever since COVID. But there are many movies that you MUST see in theatres, Avatar 2 especially. We haven’t seen it yet but will be checking it out really soon. Glad to hear it’s great and Happy New Year to you as well!
It is very rare for me to watch a movie these days. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that I don't want to commit to a story that will be over in 2h. I want to know their world, talk about the show with friends and all that. I used to be a movie buff growing up but these days I much prefer tvshows.
I think one thing that helped movies gain the upper hand during the original television golden age was that a lot of movies were being televised for the very first time so a whole new audience was being introduced to these films which in turn resulted in renewed interest of movie stars and reminded people why they fell in love with the films in the first place. I agree that there’s really no way for films to surpass tv in the modern era since back then there were only around 3 tv channels and a movie playing on tv would’ve been much more widely watched. Plus, I think tv is easier to know about since you can see new shows recommended in your Netflix queue or commercials during your favorite show advertising new tv series, while with film I feel like I barely ever hear about new movies unless it’s the predictable Marvel or Star Wars movie so I think that in addition to the incredible variety of content and subject matter for television, it’s also easier to discover new television shows to watch while films only seem to gain hype when they’re either a sequel, remake or superhero film, which many of us are tired of at this point so we’d rather stick with the more reliable option of tv since we know there’s so much out there. It’s crazy to think that such an amazing show like Succession is also extremely popular since if that story had been made into a film, no one would’ve probably even heard of it.
It's very difficult for me to start a tv series, Breaking Bad was a rare thing for me
I am a long time film buff that prefers the art of film but I will invest time in a series if I really find it appealing but many shows are formaulaic , algorithms are writing much of todays entertainment.
Yeah I'm like "oh this feels like a movie, cool" and as time went on I realised "nope, this is giving me way more than a movie would, but in movie quality" which was a revelation
I’ve felt this way for the last 15-16 years. Television shows can tell much more detailed stories.
There was a 5-8 year period in the 2010s where I don't think I watched any new movies. When I finally did watch one again, it felt "unnatural" for lack of a better word that so many events were condensed down to a couple hours. I guess I prefer the gradual story telling as seen in TV shows.
I am a movie guy. The only shows I watch are either cartoons or anime. Movies for everything else.
I think it’s disgusting that film has been treated like dirt and tv shows get all the attention.
I just want good quality from both. If it's good I'll give anything a shot.
Cool video. I feel like the Disney+ Marvel shows are showing us how "studio production" tv shows are working even less than the movies. Amazing spectacles (John Wick 4) and my favorite directors still get me to theathers, but I think Mr Robot was turning point for me. The greatest TV shows are up there with the best of the movies. And it's amazing.
The idea that viewers saw Avatar 2 for “the spectacle alone” is a huge oversimplification. People go to films to see great filmmakers tell great stories. And James Cameron happens to be one of the greatest directors to ever do that. There’s a reason audiences went out and saw Avatar 2 during the pandemic era and skipped out on CGI spectacles like Jupiter Ascending with bigger movie stars (pre-pandemic era).
I don't entirely disagree, but you have to admit that many great movies, made by great filmmakers have flopped at the box office.
Jupiter Ascending was made by great directors too
@@kthemaster1999 they made one good movie. James Cameron doesn’t miss.
Nah it was for the visual effects which isn't an invalid reason to see a film but don't pretend audiences only go for a great story.
I think you'll find it was Buffy the Vampire Slayer in 1997 that kick-started that golden age. FIGHT ME!
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Definitely a TV person. I was a huge film nerd in the 90s but basically stopped going to the cinema in the 2000s. At that time, in my 20s, I went deep into foreign and independent films, before pivoting completely to television somewhere around 2010. There really isn’t anything appealing to me about modern films.
You sound like a real film buff. Have you watched the Criterion streaming channel yet?
I love to see that this discussion is happening, i'm a big believer of more long form storytelling over film anyway, just personal preference, always been that way. And have even recently been talking to my friend how much more popular tv is becoming especially with increased budgets on shows like stranger things, people like contentment and that's in tv, comfort shows, characters etc.
Just excited to see this conversation happening online other than just between me and my friend.
Also had this conversation with a friend that lead to the video idea. Yeah these days we’re starting to get all sorts of shows varying way more than films. Not many comfort movies coming out while so many comfort shows are released each year.
@@FilmStack Really glad I found your channel tbf, enjoying the vid. If you were looking for a new video idea as well I’ve just finished the show Atlanta and think that show has so much social commentary and subtext that a RUclips commentary delving into that I think would be great.
Thanks for the comment! And I’ve watched the first two seasons of Atlanta but then they had a few year break before the third season so I’ll have to catch up on that! Awesome show
@@FilmStack no problem man! Keep up the good work! I recently got into it after binging the first two seasons too, a lot of people have apparently disliked the third but it was honestly my favorite at the time only beaten by the fourth!! I strongly recommend them
@@FilmStack well feel good comfort movies people tend to not watch on film theater. So those films do not bring lots of audience
I enjoy mini series for drama. I can't get into long ass series and movies aren't my thing. But the mini series or limited episode series has been perfected.
These days with streaming we cannot even call it TV, is something between that and movies, you have bigger budgets and movie starts doing it.
Im the opposite, I watch more movies now and less tv shows. The 00s for TV were great, but when the 2010s came they became meh. Even the popular ones I find overrated. I don’t love modern movies either but prefer to watch them cause of the runtimes. I prefer not to waste time on a TV show cause I don’t have much spare time to watch 10+ hours worth per show
I think spin-off tv shows that are a continuation of older classic movies are what people prefer over these legacy sequel movies & legacy sequel trilogies like Halloween & Scream. I love shows like Cobra Kai. Shows like Chucky & Cobra Kai seem to be doing better than all of these legacy sequels probably because you get to pace it better & don't have to cram so much nostalgia & call backs into just two hours or less. With legacy tv series you get to pace it more gradually to where it doesn't feel rushed & new characters you introduce get more time to develop & blend in with the legacy characters in a way that feels natural. Legacy sequels like Terminator Dark Fate, Scream, Halloween Kills & Halloween Ends would probably have gotten much better reactions if they were done as tv shows that you can stretch out into a number of episodes & for as many seasons as many seasons as you need to tell the whole story you need to tell in a way that doesn't feel rushed. Like the whole Corey Cunningham & Allison thing on Halloween Ends. That might have worked if you'd have just made a spin-off tv series & pace it for about two or three seasons so it doesn't feel rushed. I actually liked the Corey, Allison storyline. But I would've liked it much better if it didn't feel so rushed. So, I can understand why so many people hated it. If it were done as a tv show it could've been paced & developed much better. Like the Ash vs Evil Dead show. I know it got canceled before they could get the last season they wanted. But their ratings were good for the first two seasons. & I think it would've probably been way more hated had they tried to rush that story & cram it all into one movie or into a legacy sequel's trilogy. Three whole seasons of a tv show allows them to pace it better & let it flow. Now, I'm not saying the only kind of content they should make now is sequels or spin-offs of old stuff. But all I'm saying is when they do it seems like spin-off tv shows do better at continuing these stories than movies. 🎬📽😎
Another issue I think both formats suffer from is the nature of economics superseding story necessity: with both films and television, stories and the characters that tell them have finite potential for motivations, arcs, emotional growth, development, etc., but all too often, when a move or show is popular, they run the risk of being forcefully continued when, often times, there really isn't any necessary or compelling story to keep telling. But the success of the property ignites the economic machine to create more to capitalize on that success, regardless of whether or not it was ever meant to be more than it originally was.
Endless movie sequels, spinoffs, reboots, etc. are bad enough for a lot of stories and characters, but ongoing TV seasons stretch that issue even farther, which makes me less inclined to follow TV series as opposed to films. When I get hooked on a TV show, there's so much more time invested that I find it harder to disconnect when it runs past its due course; a bad sequel or reboot to a film is easier to ignore, to me, at least.
Between 2000 and 2005, I went to the movies with my son literally every weekend. Great time for movies, but shortly thereafter movies started to suck. I really wasn't a TV person before, but right around my exodus from going to the movies, I switched to TV series and haven't looked back. That was around the time shows like Two and a Half Men, House, Lost, Greys Anatomy, 4400, Prison Break, etc. came out.
it'd be interesting to see a hybrid between the two mediums. like a series that releases 75-minute episodes/sequels every month.
Also, consuming movies in a theater is much more expensive than consuming TV on streaming. Here in Brazil, going to the movies once will probably cost more than a whole month of Netflix.
Tv for me. The refreshing and risky argument hits it right in the head on why. Sequel Franchising and soulless reboots makes it a very tired medium. Like you've seen one, you've probably seen a dozen.
With TV you get more specialized and niched stories that can fit for you. Instead of a one size fits all approach.
Also another thing I love about TV is the sense of community you get outside of the show from stuff like forums and conventions. For movies it's not as fun as they go for attracting everybody so you get a lot of conflict and in fighting within the Fandom community, since it's such a wide group of people who don't see eye to eye.
The franchise slump is really only affecting modern Hollywood blockbusters though. There's still foreign and independent film, and the old classics are still just as powerful as they were years ago.
Problem is that people got lazier and attention span got worse. People would not watch like Godfather or 12 angry men if it was made in today era on cinema(i mean if godfather was never created in the first place) . People only can watch everything around 23 minutes to 45 minutes now. Also people won't go to cinema to watch thrillers/drama/mystery/comedy or anything else. Bc in people mind those genre does not worth they time in cinema only at home. That's why in movie theaters you don't see those films that were box office success like in 90's. People just stop going to those films. Also another problem is that people have new entertainment than before. Watching youtubers, listen to podcasters, instagram, tiktoks or play videogames more.
Watching Attack On Titan Final season has been biggest adrenaline rush & enthralling roller coaster ride I've ever been on!
Music videos would be an interesting topic to broach as some of them are like mini-movies and have millions/billions of views.
Most Modern TV or as i like to call them Soap Operas (at least most of the time). Usually go on for far too long, run out of ideas way before the show ends and usually ends horribly with it turning out its was boys dream, or they all turn to fairies or some shit. Because they were making it up as they went to long. Movies even when they suck. Dose not waste that much of my time. TV on the other hand waste Tons of my Damn Time. I don't think its Replacing Movies at all. Regardless if you think these Blockbusters suck. There still more people watching that instead of these shows. There still plenty of Indie and foreign films. Its just that people who insist TV is better are, too lazy to watch them. And if you compare the Best Movies ever made. To the Best TV shows ever made. Its not even Close. Movies win Every Time. TV will never have the power of Cinema. I have never been moved to tears by a TV Show. But i have when comes to movies. I didn't cry for Walter White. But i did cry for Oskar Schindler. And people need to stop telling that TV Better. Because it takes 3 times as long to get to the same story.
I used to like movies, then shows. Now movies again because shows are too slow (at least Netflix). I think that since the rise of watching netflix while using tiktok all content has become DUMBED DOWN AND SLOW. I just get bored
movie tickets are getting more and more expensive
That’s a good point! Streaming services also are getting more expensive but they are still a way better value than a movie ticket
Everything is getting more and more expensive :D
@@JCT1926 that's where pirating comes back
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Yaaaa Right.....
Everyone is Paying 😂😂😂😂😂😂
In Australia it’s just far too expensive. I don’t want to go to the theatre and pay 20 bucks for a ticket, 15 if I want a drink and pop corn, 8 bucks for parking to watch a movie about a struggling drug addict who is a neglectful mother or to watch some pretentious movie about a character with a disease so some actor can win an Oscar. Nor do I want to see some shitty video game looking marvel movie. I want to see avatar 2, top gun,or good sci-fi films, Tarantino films, Scorsese films, quality action and epics, Christopher Nolan’s and Dennis vilenuve films, movies that were made for the big screen and worth the price of admission.
Streaming services have been a big part of the process too💯
Sad but true. I'll always watch a movie in the theater I'm interested in, simply because that's what I've done since I was young, I definitely understand the other side of the coin though. Interesting times we are living in..
To me seeing a movie in cinema is probably the worst way to see a movie. I have to leave the home without reason, it costs much more money and you are at the mercy of other people. Somebody checks their phone, or talks during the movie it ruins the experience. I also can't pause the movie to go to the bathroom so it's vastly less convenient. On top of all of this a movie is about two hours of content. Sure, the characters are fun and the world is cool but now I have to wait several years to get another two hours of that content? That's nothing, look at TV show by comparison that can provide you about an hour of entertainment per episode with ten to twelve episodes in a season. The original Star Wars trilogy clocks in at about seven and a half hours of content, spread out over six years. A TV series on the other hand could fill the entire first trilogy of films into just parts of a single season. Assuming twelve episodes at an hour each, that's twelve hours per season and with the same six years that's 72 hours of content. That's two and a half times the runtime of every Star Wars movie combined. Finally the last problem with films is that when I see a movie I don't feel I got something back for my time. With the MCU at least I feel like there's a continuing story, it matters that I watch the film. But a movie that has no continuation, no relation and no connection just feels like a waste of time. Why would I want to waste two hours of my life on a new thing that doesn't contribute to any of the things I have going on already? Put it up on streaming and maybe I'll watch it on the buss to school or something. But going to the cinema to throw two hours of my life into a story that can't even go beyond its own meager runtime? No thank you.
In summary: Movies tell less story over a longer period of time, and are deeply hurt by their very limited runtimes. The cinema is a horrible and inconvenient place to watch films, and the only reason I go is to avoid spoilers when new Marvel films come out. Do I regret paying money to see these movies? Yes, but you live in hope that the next episode is going to be good again.
Your closed captions look bugged, all of the text is at the start in one screen filling block
I wish I didn’t have to waste so much time watching tv shows nowadays.
Tv shows are fantastic, but movies have their place for a reason. Star Wars replacing movies with tv shows has me absolutely exhausted, for example.
The problem on tv shows is that they take more time than movies and for some reasons rewatching good tv shows don't feel the same as rewatching good movies
I love that every time people debate about TV shows vs movies what they really want to say is American Tv shows vs American movies. Hollywood is trash, it's being trash for quite a while now and it will continue to be trash, however pretending that A) an indie film industry doesn't exist and/or B) international films don't exist is just silly. Sure, there will always be the language barrier for native English (or any other language really) speakers, but that shouldn't be a problem since subtitles exist, and yes Hollywood movies are the ones that are more available nowadays, but I bet you can find film festivals and screenings near you for indie or international films, so let's not pretend there's nothing else beyond our own noses.
Problem is that people don't like to see drama/thrillers/mystery or comedy genres in movie theaters anymore. People only like to watch them at home not in cinema. Studios stop investing in those genres so they only make those films that people love to see in movie theaters.
Good Point. Its like people who insist that TV Shows are Better than Movies. Are just fucking Lazy
Peoples lazyness and unecessary hype for garbage TV shows, and garbage blockbusters killed off the cinema, probably forever.
Cause it’s not only about money, it’s how people react with content.
people attention span has lowered in general. They cannot watch films for 2hours. They can only watch tv show episode by 40 minutes only.
they are long term stories people are making too short. They have no staying power.
As long as films are getting made, I'll never gravitate towards tv shows. For 6 hours, instead of 1 story in a tv show, I can experience 3 different stories in film. Tv shows are nowhere near to films imo.
The fact is a single episode of game of thrones like battle of bastards is better then many movies
I love watching both movies and tv shows
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“People went to see Avatar for spectacle alone” the movie is directed by James Fucking Cameron
MOVIES AT THEATERS COST TOO MUCH!!! THEN ADD SNACKS AND IT'S RIDICULOUS!!! AS IVE GOTTEN OLDER I STILL LOVE MOVIES, BUT NOT THEATERS. LOVED DRIVE-INS WERE GREAT. I. IN SO. CAL NO MORE DRIVE INS????? CRAZY!!!
I will always choose tv shows over movies.
When you look at some of the major prime time TV productions, they actually bringing movie standards into drama series for TV.
No tv shows have been turned into multiple part movies but i'm not liking it right now at all i have nothing to watch and there's nothing interesting about the stories they're writing and the characters are shallow as can be. The problem is they always only stick to the one format with things they've done it every time in the past but they need to break that cycle because i still want format tv shows have been for a long time otherwise all i'm left with is old tv shows.
However tv shows have not been the best it's ever been because they declined the quality a whole lot so i think dustin hoffman is just saying that to save face lol it's been really weak, poor writing and acting, and they don't care anymore they turned into being all about actor fame rather and their attractiveness than being all about the tv shows or movies. Anyone impressed by what's being currently produced need to look back at what we had like miles better there's no words how good it was and the decline in quality started to happen in 2013/2014, that's when the golden age ended the best stuff was throughout the 1990s up until those years but music, games, and book writing started to decline earlier from 2006 onwards.
Streaming services haven't been any good whatsoever they'll charge more and more and have even more ads than before and there's certainly no such thing as free accounts because of the amount of ads, they put in like up to 13 in one break. They've also been attempting to do this even on cable tv despite the fact we're paying them to watch these channels we do have. They don't offer enough either and then they take it off before you can watch all the episodes it's just not what we agreed to when paying a monthly subscription so i'm sticking to free streaming.
They have solutions now where they can gain money from views and likes but i'd prefer they made a giant archive where we can watch every conceivable tv show and movie, none of the things i'd like to watch are on these streaming services like 1 or 2 shows but again i can't finish them before they take them off which is trying to force binge watching but i don't want to do that and i may be watching 2 shows at the same time for some variety.
why do you say been like that
"bean"
I enjoy 3 hour long movies!!
Tv replaced movies the moment Uncle Grandpa premiered its first episode
tv show suck too
they are realllly slow
Movies
1:23 my favorite films were made between 1914-1966, after that, films have been on a sharp decline in quality.
growing up i loved movies, i enjoyed a fair number of shows, loved a couple, but really enjoyed movies, these days i prefer shows with gripping narratives and good jokes than 90% of movies, i think the last movie i saw in theatres was Avengers: Endgame and the most recent film was M3gan which was quite good
I’ll rather show a tv show 100%
It's also about the dynamic of society on how movies will play out. The number one motivator for film is family. But since most millennials do not have a family of their own, rather the head of a family, we tend to approach what we like to watch in an individualistic way, where we're not going to the theaters as a family.
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Or you know what hollywood can do is make Nigerian type movies where you spend the whole day watching a movie from part 1 to part 3🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 if this actually works please don't forget me i helped you pay me $200 000 dollars if this becomes successful for you😢
haha the slap.
Anime is better than either of those
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Disagree. Film is always number one.
No its not....
Breaking Bad › MCFU
@@JuJuDen47 The MCU is not cinema. To make this fair you should be comparing the best TV to the best of film such as Truffault, Deren, Hitchcock, etc.
@@JuJuDen47 We have over a 100 years of Films and all you could come of is the MCU.
Then, I am part of the minority... I do prefer movies! 🧏♀️ But I do watch some series if they are well done. 😌 And I super love the cinema experience 🥰
I don't think your in the minority. Even if people hate Blockbusters. More people watch them, than most of these shows.