The problem isn’t the length of the shows but rather the inability to do seasons every year. The old us model was for basic tv. 26 episodes etc was what a a basic channel made. Cable was less. The issue is that streaming services are cancelling shows too early or waiting too long for second and third seasons resulting in people loosing interest.
so back in the day, we had just over-the-air tv shows. and only on a number of networks that could be counted on one hand. so one show was needed to fill all that time. so most shows ran up to 40 or so episodes a "season", once cable and big dish satellite came out, syndication really took off. and shows kinda floated between a few configurations. such as: all year round weekly shows, with some special breaks for holidays and special broadcasts. like a sitcom that ran "every week", like your "friends", "seinfelds", "cheers", "frazier", only taking a break for the summer and a few holidays. or children shows that typically ran bi-annually about 26 episodes a season. tv shows were piloted for a run around the places to try and sell it, if it sold they would initially order a pilot season, 13 new episodes, if it runs well in those 13 weeks, they often renew for a full season, or the rest of the that season. once netflix became the ONLY game to for sure get your script published, they turned everything into a miniseries or a "limited series". even concepts meant for the movies. its not hard to a take a movie and retool it for the smallest screen, and netflix was producing groundbreaking new content. even if it was all algorithm driven, they produced results. however it seems the novelty, or the usefulness of algorithms has waned. maybe its because netflix isnt the only streaming game, and now their prediction algorithm isnt as accurate or detailed due to missing input consumers lol, who knows. but i truly miss long form tv shows, like Stargate SG-1, Star Trek, a lot of Sci-Fi really benefits from a long form season. gives more opportunities to flesh out the world they are bringing to life. i miss the days of a few filler episodes in tv shows. But even sitcoms, like Friends and How I Met Your Mother, Big Bang Theory, they all benefit form a 20+ episode per season format. i think it helps a show stay current and intriguing. South Park is a great example. It started in long form, but now is like 10 episodes a season. And i totally get the HUGE amount of work and stress that goes in to an episode every 6 days, but in the same hand, they choose that schedule. maybe its time to spin it off, or just let it go. getting 1/3rd of the episodes and calling it a season just bums me out.
Funny you use that clip of Futurama at the end, because I don't think people give Disenchantment a fair try because it's not what people expected (it really picks up after Part 1)
For me it's like putting all eggs in one basket. In a show with 24 episodes of 20 minutes or so, if there was one episode that wasn't good or that wasn't as interesting, it woudn't change your perspective on the show that much. But now, only one bad, slow or filler episode will hit much harder the overall quality of the show. Everything must work towards the main plot, there's no time for small stories that help to develop, in a more paused way, the main plot. I've done the math and we are getting less minutes per season and less seasons per year since they take around two or more years to make a new one. The shows are shorter and more compressed.
I’ve realize that ever since I was 18 that entertainment has slowly becoming bad. No it does nothing with the 9/11 atrscks in the USA. That TV got so bad during the Streamkng boom around 10 years ago. Cable TV had to compete yet lost to streamkng. Streamkng slowly made too many cuts aroubd corners, cancelling shows, and removing their best material as time went on, they increased the prices, and added too many commercials.
Also, back in the day, you knew who the studios were that packaged/were behind certain shows owing to their distinctive identities/vanity cards/plates (i.e. you knew that Columbia Pictures Television was behind a show if you saw either the Sunburst/Abstract Torch of the 70s, or the 80s Coke Lady [80s Torch Lady w/Coca-Cola ownership byline] w/Suzanne Ciani's jingle when I was a boy; by the same token, you knew that Paramount Television was behind a show if you heard that slow-paced Lalo Schifrin "Color ID" music w/their Blue Mountain logo, and so on and so forth). Nowadays, the vanity plates that show the people behind the shows do not have any life or distinct features to them, and many a time, they are just about nonexistent with all the squeezed credits and flashing by and all that jazz; also, many a time on physical media, the original plates are scrubbed, and the distributors these days are treated as if they were the producers/packagers way back when (like Sony Pictures Television has been on quite a few CPT shows, like T.J. Hooker; fortunately, Shout! Factory's all-in-one DVD release has a form of the 80s Torch Lady of CPT on most of the episodes).
Your thesis is dead wrong. It relies on a timeline that links streaming with the rise of high quality, short run shows. It started earlier than that. This is a trend that was started with premium cable channels like HBO created incredible high quality work that largely rivaled films at the time. Shows like the Sopranos, Deadwood, or Game of Throwns from HBO; Breaking Bad or The Walking Dead from AMC; or even Vikings from the History Channel, Planet Earth from NatGeo, Walking With …from the BBC, were blockbuster successes that fueled the early drive for streaming services to offer alternatives to the premium cable TV channel. The form of these shows was as novels to the movie’s short story. They really launched the home tv premier of seasons that may have only been a few episodes long with up to multi hours episodes. The “Golden Age” that you are referring to was fueled is a continuation of that trend started years earlier with massive capital dumped in by new competitors for the premium TV content market.
the thing about these shows is they have an average episode length of nearly 3 times of that of the average tv series. so its only natural for a season to be 1/3 as long. the problem lies in the average tv show with 22 minute episodes has followed suit, back in the early 2000s you would get something like malcom in the middle with 25 episode seasons, compared to todays series like rick and morty with 10 episode seasons. in 7 years of malcolm in the middle we got the equivalent of over 15 seasons of rick and morty (which take an average of 2 years per season to produce)
Why people say better quality? Babylone 5, Dexter, Battlestar, Supernatural, heck even Warehouse 13 where immensely superior. I've rewached those hundreds of times. The EXCELLENT, The Expanse was not good enough to justify a second run of my time. Even less garbage like Walking dead or Breaking bad. Puzzles me to no end how people can say with a straith face quality is better. I'm like: "Whaaaaaaattttt????"
back in the early 2000s you would get something like malcom in the middle with 25 episode seasons, compared to todays series like rick and morty with 10 episode seasons. in 7 years of malcolm in the middle we got the equivalent of over 15 seasons of rick and morty (which take an average of 2 years per season to produce) 10 episode seasons mixed this with mid season haitus's and long breaks in between seasons is very frustrating as a viewer. in 10 years rick and morty has made 51 episodes, king of the hill made 259 in 13.
*10 episodes...? you're extremly generous...wait for it, 6 EPISODES series are coming, next year 4 episodes I guess and in 2025 TV series would be shorter than the movies we didn't wanna watch for this exact reason !!!*
@@motioninart But why, thou? Who is EXACTLY to blame? I found your video while searching for that answer, but so far I haven't encountered a satisfactory video with some data on it explaining the exact reasons for "bad writing"? Where does it come from? Are the young writers just bad? Is the fact that there are so many shows nowadays basically allowing lower quality writers to get one? Is it corporate meddling and forcing concepts and stuff into the story based on their own agendas or test groups? It the directors fault? Is the fact that instead of people wanting to tell a great story, we get people wanting to earn money and just hiring people to force them into writing something that's a "safe bet"? Is it a problem of "too many cooks" spoiling the broth? Hollywood getting too many people doing favors and hiring their family members or friends when they are not good enough? How society/morals changing now frowns upon many of the stuff that made stories great in the first time? Where does EXACTLY the bad writing come from? I've been wondering about this after seeing many videos crapping on shows like The Acolyte and Rings of Power. People sure point out "bad writing" and other stuff in there; but I'm genuinely curious about where it originates from. Of course, different shows may have different sources of this, but I'm still bloody curious about some actual factual examples of when and how things went wrong in some of those shows. Who is behind this "bad writing"? One guy with a type machine? Two dozen writers in a tiny room? The director wanting to change lines to showcase their political views? Some CEOs that just didn't understand good writing and forced changes based on crappy test groups or what was "cool" at the moment? Let me know if you make a video on this subject.
bigger problem is new shows are just trash. 95% talking, no action, shit plot. i rather rewatch babylon 5, stargate, buffy, the shield. like house of the dragon season 2, the whole shitshow can be reduced to one 45min episode
"bigger problem is new shows are just trash. 95% talking, no action, shit plot. i rather rewatch babylon 5, stargate, buffy, the shield." You bet-- I'll enjoy Emergency! from the 70s on DVD to my dying day before I even make a move to touch Chicago Fire, 9-1-1, Station 19, Rescue Me, and all other pseudo-"firefighting" shows.
I really hope were able to find a good Medium between shows being 30 odd years of the Simpsons that never ends till the cash cow stops milking and mini series that are just 7 hour long movies in disguise that either feel too bloated for a movie or not enough for a series So it's good these varied format types break the two party system of a concept needing either lots of episodes or a short story to justify production that gatekept a lot of productions in the pre streaming days Also Between you, friendlyjordies and dankpods I've just realised for us Aussie 90's kids more than most Simpsons is a part of our shared language and we'll put as much into our edits as we can, there's nothing better for an edit to visualise any point
Great video. Just some feedback, at 4:47 you play some clips from the last episode of severence which kinda has spoilers, I would recommend using other clips, or giving a warning
That thing was 2 years ago. Can't spoils something that everyone interested saw already. It's like saying Darth Vader is Luke's father. Everyone who loves the genre knows.
*6 EPISODES series are now a thing (loki and meany more), next year 4 episodes I guess and in 2025 TV series would be shorter than the movies we didn't wanna watch for this exact reason !!! They apparently really are on a mission to sale us what we didn't wanna buy !*
Bro i finished a new show in 3h now waiting for the second seson bicouse its so good some times i dont even watch the show bicouse it only has 1 or 2 sesons i bet many people do the same bicouse we dont want to get stuck on cliff hangers its a stupid practice dont tell me poeple have less time to watch shows i work 12h shifts i still get time to watch plus do other things like clocking messing around in ny workshop etc
Nice video Motion Art 👍 "Better produced, better written" 3:30 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Show from 90's to 2010's where BY FAR superior. I've rewatch Babylone 5, Battlestar, Firefly, Dexter, Supernatural, hundreds of times because they where good. Even Warehouse 13, being very campy, is rewatchable. ZERO shows past 2010 would make me rewatch them. Even the very good Expanse is not good enough to justify a second, even less third watch.
I cut the cord 4 years ago and will never pay for TV again. With the ridiculous amounts of ads, paid programming and pathetic reboots of game shows, too many never ending talent shows and reality tv in general. The industry has gotten so greedy that they just want to produce cheap programming. I don't stream either as the ads are numerous and why should you have to pay to see old shows when ads are generating revenue. The rampant capitalist greed in this country is all over TV programming today. Also Im sick of the regular networks showing sports every weekend when there are plenty of sports channels available for that. 👎💰💩📺
Did you really state the quality of television shows, length and acting is getting better? On the contrary, they cant even produce a decent comedy regardless of length. The writing is horrible, far too much AI and no genuine acting. It’s all woke BS. Don’t think so? Compare the acting, comedy, casting and audience connection of the new Frazier comedy to the old one in early 2000’s and that’s just one example…. Not even in the same ball park.
I think compared the movies it’s gotten incredibly better. But there are a lot more show’s nowadays also so it’s a different beast compared to the days before streaming. Better quality perhaps due to the law of averages
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The problem isn’t the length of the shows but rather the inability to do seasons every year.
The old us model was for basic tv. 26 episodes etc was what a a basic channel made. Cable was less.
The issue is that streaming services are cancelling shows too early or waiting too long for second and third seasons resulting in people loosing interest.
so back in the day, we had just over-the-air tv shows. and only on a number of networks that could be counted on one hand. so one show was needed to fill all that time. so most shows ran up to 40 or so episodes a "season", once cable and big dish satellite came out, syndication really took off. and shows kinda floated between a few configurations. such as:
all year round weekly shows, with some special breaks for holidays and special broadcasts. like a sitcom that ran "every week", like your "friends", "seinfelds", "cheers", "frazier", only taking a break for the summer and a few holidays. or children shows that typically ran bi-annually about 26 episodes a season.
tv shows were piloted for a run around the places to try and sell it, if it sold they would initially order a pilot season, 13 new episodes, if it runs well in those 13 weeks, they often renew for a full season, or the rest of the that season. once netflix became the ONLY game to for sure get your script published, they turned everything into a miniseries or a "limited series". even concepts meant for the movies. its not hard to a take a movie and retool it for the smallest screen, and netflix was producing groundbreaking new content. even if it was all algorithm driven, they produced results. however it seems the novelty, or the usefulness of algorithms has waned. maybe its because netflix isnt the only streaming game, and now their prediction algorithm isnt as accurate or detailed due to missing input consumers lol, who knows.
but i truly miss long form tv shows, like Stargate SG-1, Star Trek, a lot of Sci-Fi really benefits from a long form season. gives more opportunities to flesh out the world they are bringing to life. i miss the days of a few filler episodes in tv shows. But even sitcoms, like Friends and How I Met Your Mother, Big Bang Theory, they all benefit form a 20+ episode per season format. i think it helps a show stay current and intriguing. South Park is a great example. It started in long form, but now is like 10 episodes a season. And i totally get the HUGE amount of work and stress that goes in to an episode every 6 days, but in the same hand, they choose that schedule. maybe its time to spin it off, or just let it go. getting 1/3rd of the episodes and calling it a season just bums me out.
Funny you use that clip of Futurama at the end, because I don't think people give Disenchantment a fair try because it's not what people expected (it really picks up after Part 1)
For me it's like putting all eggs in one basket. In a show with 24 episodes of 20 minutes or so, if there was one episode that wasn't good or that wasn't as interesting, it woudn't change your perspective on the show that much. But now, only one bad, slow or filler episode will hit much harder the overall quality of the show. Everything must work towards the main plot, there's no time for small stories that help to develop, in a more paused way, the main plot. I've done the math and we are getting less minutes per season and less seasons per year since they take around two or more years to make a new one. The shows are shorter and more compressed.
I’ve realize that ever since I was 18 that entertainment has slowly becoming bad. No it does nothing with the 9/11 atrscks in the USA. That TV got so bad during the Streamkng boom around 10 years ago. Cable TV had to compete yet lost to streamkng. Streamkng slowly made too many cuts aroubd corners, cancelling shows, and removing their best material as time went on, they increased the prices, and added too many commercials.
Also, back in the day, you knew who the studios were that packaged/were behind certain shows owing to their distinctive identities/vanity cards/plates (i.e. you knew that Columbia Pictures Television was behind a show if you saw either the Sunburst/Abstract Torch of the 70s, or the 80s Coke Lady [80s Torch Lady w/Coca-Cola ownership byline] w/Suzanne Ciani's jingle when I was a boy; by the same token, you knew that Paramount Television was behind a show if you heard that slow-paced Lalo Schifrin "Color ID" music w/their Blue Mountain logo, and so on and so forth).
Nowadays, the vanity plates that show the people behind the shows do not have any life or distinct features to them, and many a time, they are just about nonexistent with all the squeezed credits and flashing by and all that jazz; also, many a time on physical media, the original plates are scrubbed, and the distributors these days are treated as if they were the producers/packagers way back when (like Sony Pictures Television has been on quite a few CPT shows, like T.J. Hooker; fortunately, Shout! Factory's all-in-one DVD release has a form of the 80s Torch Lady of CPT on most of the episodes).
Your thesis is dead wrong. It relies on a timeline that links streaming with the rise of high quality, short run shows. It started earlier than that.
This is a trend that was started with premium cable channels like HBO created incredible high quality work that largely rivaled films at the time. Shows like the Sopranos, Deadwood, or Game of Throwns from HBO; Breaking Bad or The Walking Dead from AMC; or even Vikings from the History Channel, Planet Earth from NatGeo, Walking With …from the BBC, were blockbuster successes that fueled the early drive for streaming services to offer alternatives to the premium cable TV channel. The form of these shows was as novels to the movie’s short story. They really launched the home tv premier of seasons that may have only been a few episodes long with up to multi hours episodes.
The “Golden Age” that you are referring to was fueled is a continuation of that trend started years earlier with massive capital dumped in by new competitors for the premium TV content market.
the thing about these shows is they have an average episode length of nearly 3 times of that of the average tv series. so its only natural for a season to be 1/3 as long. the problem lies in the average tv show with 22 minute episodes has followed suit, back in the early 2000s you would get something like malcom in the middle with 25 episode seasons, compared to todays series like rick and morty with 10 episode seasons. in 7 years of malcolm in the middle we got the equivalent of over 15 seasons of rick and morty (which take an average of 2 years per season to produce)
@@jimster1111 yep and that's sad. Will be worse with writers new contract.
Why people say better quality?
Babylone 5, Dexter, Battlestar, Supernatural, heck even Warehouse 13 where immensely superior. I've rewached those hundreds of times.
The EXCELLENT, The Expanse was not good enough to justify a second run of my time. Even less garbage like Walking dead or Breaking bad. Puzzles me to no end how people can say with a straith face quality is better. I'm like: "Whaaaaaaattttt????"
back in the early 2000s you would get something like malcom in the middle with 25 episode seasons, compared to todays series like rick and morty with 10 episode seasons. in 7 years of malcolm in the middle we got the equivalent of over 15 seasons of rick and morty (which take an average of 2 years per season to produce) 10 episode seasons mixed this with mid season haitus's and long breaks in between seasons is very frustrating as a viewer. in 10 years rick and morty has made 51 episodes, king of the hill made 259 in 13.
*10 episodes...? you're extremly generous...wait for it, 6 EPISODES series are coming, next year 4 episodes I guess and in 2025 TV series would be shorter than the movies we didn't wanna watch for this exact reason !!!*
And in 4 years, the original Untouchables series w/Robert Stack that was on ABC (1959-63) made 119 episodes, unlike The Tudors that made only 38.
tv shows become bad because of bad writing
Agreed
@@motioninart But why, thou? Who is EXACTLY to blame? I found your video while searching for that answer, but so far I haven't encountered a satisfactory video with some data on it explaining the exact reasons for "bad writing"? Where does it come from?
Are the young writers just bad? Is the fact that there are so many shows nowadays basically allowing lower quality writers to get one? Is it corporate meddling and forcing concepts and stuff into the story based on their own agendas or test groups? It the directors fault? Is the fact that instead of people wanting to tell a great story, we get people wanting to earn money and just hiring people to force them into writing something that's a "safe bet"? Is it a problem of "too many cooks" spoiling the broth? Hollywood getting too many people doing favors and hiring their family members or friends when they are not good enough? How society/morals changing now frowns upon many of the stuff that made stories great in the first time? Where does EXACTLY the bad writing come from?
I've been wondering about this after seeing many videos crapping on shows like The Acolyte and Rings of Power. People sure point out "bad writing" and other stuff in there; but I'm genuinely curious about where it originates from. Of course, different shows may have different sources of this, but I'm still bloody curious about some actual factual examples of when and how things went wrong in some of those shows. Who is behind this "bad writing"? One guy with a type machine? Two dozen writers in a tiny room? The director wanting to change lines to showcase their political views? Some CEOs that just didn't understand good writing and forced changes based on crappy test groups or what was "cool" at the moment?
Let me know if you make a video on this subject.
bigger problem is new shows are just trash. 95% talking, no action, shit plot. i rather rewatch babylon 5, stargate, buffy, the shield.
like house of the dragon season 2, the whole shitshow can be reduced to one 45min episode
"bigger problem is new shows are just trash. 95% talking, no action, shit plot. i rather rewatch babylon 5, stargate, buffy, the shield."
You bet-- I'll enjoy Emergency! from the 70s on DVD to my dying day before I even make a move to touch Chicago Fire, 9-1-1, Station 19, Rescue Me, and all other pseudo-"firefighting" shows.
Before it was good and now it is just unnameable of how bad tv shows have become
:(
I really hope were able to find a good Medium between shows being 30 odd years of the Simpsons that never ends till the cash cow stops milking and mini series that are just 7 hour long movies in disguise that either feel too bloated for a movie or not enough for a series
So it's good these varied format types break the two party system of a concept needing either lots of episodes or a short story to justify production that gatekept a lot of productions in the pre streaming days
Also Between you, friendlyjordies and dankpods I've just realised for us Aussie 90's kids more than most Simpsons is a part of our shared language and we'll put as much into our edits as we can, there's nothing better for an edit to visualise any point
There are too many screen writers and actors.
Are we really in the golden period of television ? I think not!
How come?
Can someone mention the name of TV shows and movies being used (in order of appearance)?
Great video. Just some feedback, at 4:47 you play some clips from the last episode of severence which kinda has spoilers, I would recommend using other clips, or giving a warning
That thing was 2 years ago. Can't spoils something that everyone interested saw already.
It's like saying Darth Vader is Luke's father. Everyone who loves the genre knows.
*6 EPISODES series are now a thing (loki and meany more), next year 4 episodes I guess and in 2025 TV series would be shorter than the movies we didn't wanna watch for this exact reason !!! They apparently really are on a mission to sale us what we didn't wanna buy !*
Technology is a mistake. Return to man’s origin. The Mid-90s.
What about porn
@@jimcatanzaro7808 There's a song called "Runnin in the 90s". It talks about experiencing porn on the internet for the first time.
@@jimcatanzaro7808we must return to newgrounds
@@jimcatanzaro7808I believe porn existed last century.
Disagree
What is the name of the TV show or movie 0:23- 0:26
Also can anyone name the series at 5:10- 5:26
I got rid of my tv and cable
Not to me I think the writing in today’s shows suck
Bro i finished a new show in 3h now waiting for the second seson bicouse its so good some times i dont even watch the show bicouse it only has 1 or 2 sesons i bet many people do the same bicouse we dont want to get stuck on cliff hangers its a stupid practice dont tell me poeple have less time to watch shows i work 12h shifts i still get time to watch plus do other things like clocking messing around in ny workshop etc
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one word, wokeness.
Lol
Great video. Anyone knows what TV show is that at 5:10 ?
Nice video Motion Art 👍
"Better produced, better written" 3:30 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Show from 90's to 2010's where BY FAR superior. I've rewatch Babylone 5, Battlestar, Firefly, Dexter, Supernatural, hundreds of times because they where good. Even Warehouse 13, being very campy, is rewatchable.
ZERO shows past 2010 would make me rewatch them. Even the very good Expanse is not good enough to justify a second, even less third watch.
Agreed
I cut the cord 4 years ago and will never pay for TV again. With the ridiculous amounts of ads, paid programming and pathetic reboots of game shows, too many never ending talent shows and reality tv in general. The industry has gotten so greedy that they just want to produce cheap programming. I don't stream either as the ads are numerous and why should you have to pay to see old shows when ads are generating revenue. The rampant capitalist greed in this country is all over TV programming today. Also Im sick of the regular networks showing sports every weekend when there are plenty of sports channels available for that. 👎💰💩📺
Yeah i serched for the title
Which title?
Did you really state the quality of television shows, length and acting is getting better? On the contrary, they cant even produce a decent comedy regardless of length. The writing is horrible, far too much AI and no genuine acting. It’s all woke BS. Don’t think so? Compare the acting, comedy, casting and audience connection of the new Frazier comedy to the old one in early 2000’s and that’s just one example…. Not even in the same ball park.
I think compared the movies it’s gotten incredibly better. But there are a lot more show’s nowadays also so it’s a different beast compared to the days before streaming. Better quality perhaps due to the law of averages
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