Firing Line with William F. Buckley, Jr.: Germaine Greer 2-27-73 "Women's Liberation"

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  • Опубликовано: 29 окт 2024

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  • @cameronhamilton3717
    @cameronhamilton3717 2 месяца назад +7

    How relaxing it would be to watch a show like this, late at night? No shows really exist in these times. Television was great back then.

  • @TheNagualZone
    @TheNagualZone Год назад +26

    My very first introduction to Germaine Greer - what an amazing woman! total respect and admiration - ty for uploading!

  • @PeterShieldsukcatstripey
    @PeterShieldsukcatstripey 7 месяцев назад +9

    She makes so much sense

  • @max-andrewmcmillan4235
    @max-andrewmcmillan4235 Год назад +26

    she is and always has been world class.

  • @frankie1944
    @frankie1944 Год назад +21

    Germaine is formidable. Wonderful woman.

  • @dancewomyn1
    @dancewomyn1 8 месяцев назад +9

    A formidable mind Germaine Greer has. Quite brilliant in so many ways. I'm not sure Buckley's statement "In America the penalties for rape are rather high". I don't think that's at all true then, or now.

  • @BS-vx8dg
    @BS-vx8dg 2 месяца назад +3

    I read parts of The Female Eunuch back in the mid-1970s, but was too young to appreciate how brilliant she is. Even today she is speaking out on women's issues with a common sense utterly lacking from her ersatz compadres in the movement.

  • @tommym321
    @tommym321 8 месяцев назад +7

    She is so much smarter than he is, that I’m actually embarrassed for him.

    • @AnnabelleJARankin
      @AnnabelleJARankin 6 месяцев назад +2

      He comes over as a bit of a bumbling fool, not really taking on board the scope of what she is saying!

    • @baronmeduse
      @baronmeduse Месяц назад

      He was always a very surface thinker. His mind was made up since he was devoted to a conservative ideology (despite the idea these people have that conservatism defies ideology). Fair play to him though for being oddly progressive in some of his political views.

  • @Jenny-sy8pc
    @Jenny-sy8pc Год назад +9

    Thanks for uploading this conversation in its entirety, I think there was only a brief clip on RUclips of Germaine talking to William F. Buckley before. Wonderful lady - I'm a huge fan of Ms Greer.🍄

  • @hayleyanna2625
    @hayleyanna2625 Месяц назад +1

    Superb. Although I disagree with most of William Buckley's views, he makes you think and he is a tremendous public speaker. Interesting intelligent debate/conversation. This is sadly much lacking today.

  • @tommym321
    @tommym321 8 месяцев назад +12

    Wow. Buckley is making some stupid points. Advertising isn’t sexist because….they put pretty women in the advertisements?!? Good god.

    • @uterushaver8309
      @uterushaver8309 7 месяцев назад +1

      19:52 - GG: "I happen to think that these are serious problems ..."
      WB: "All problems are serious."

  • @user-xe2cr4yf9q
    @user-xe2cr4yf9q 5 месяцев назад +12

    i did not live through these years .... but damnnnnnnnnnnnnn im jealous.... its on such a higher level .... people who disagree with each other but speak with each other in a respectful and smart way , they show us you can disagree with each other and still be civil and sensible

    • @jdorchen
      @jdorchen 4 месяца назад

      Yeah? Buckley did a lot of damage while caping for himself by engaging with people "on the other side." He wrote evil books that targeted dissent and change, ended up lumping everyone who differed from the White conservative Catholic male point of view as communists, concepts that have now morphed into "postmodern cultural marxism." He paved the way for Nixon, Reagan, Gingrich, Cheney. Don't be fooled.

    • @jdorchen
      @jdorchen 4 месяца назад

      And he was an anti-tax fanatic. He was a leader of the nonsense that has crippled public education and stigmatized public spending all over the world.

    • @jdorchen
      @jdorchen 4 месяца назад

      It's sickening that the same arguments are still being hashed over on the left while the right is trampling our rights and finance is sucking the power away from the streets. Which is exactly what Buckley most dearly wished for and did all he could to make it happen.

    • @julianbrown1092
      @julianbrown1092 4 месяца назад

      Firing Line was even special in its day for having intellectual discussion and civil discourse. We probably have more options for this type of debate today than in Buckley's day though it's mostly on line.

  • @dolosang
    @dolosang Месяц назад +2

    this is fantastic

  • @julianbrown1092
    @julianbrown1092 3 месяца назад +1

    Great find! Surprised this wasn't found on Hoover Institute's page

  • @themovingdance2744
    @themovingdance2744 Год назад +7

    My parents were exactly as she described….no one to talk to……my granny was one person….but my parents sent me to my room ….😢 now I m 62

  • @francieleone
    @francieleone Год назад +8

    Love Germaine!

  • @jasonhurd4379
    @jasonhurd4379 4 месяца назад +2

    Buckley's complete and utter disdain for the hairbrush was sublime.

  • @ReasonsToComment-ic2cc
    @ReasonsToComment-ic2cc 6 месяцев назад +1

    "The English economy that was carefully dismantled by the Americans [...] Western Germany which was carefully built up by the Americans" - Great quote. I am writing that down. She says so many true things. Not everything is correct but she was fairly young back then. & "Welfare statism is not the same as socialism."

  • @mconnolly478
    @mconnolly478 9 месяцев назад +11

    She’s brilliant

  • @theshivers1967
    @theshivers1967 7 месяцев назад +3

    I love the both of them. Germaine Greer misses on the point that grammar is not just English but amongst many languages. The ultimate winner is Greer. She is astonishing

    • @AnnabelleJARankin
      @AnnabelleJARankin 6 месяцев назад

      But English grammar is particular to English!

  • @themovingdance2744
    @themovingdance2744 Год назад +10

    Germain is damn clever and sharp as….

  • @robertburatt5981
    @robertburatt5981 Год назад +7

    Germaine's comment on the societal consequences of "close knit" families and the "generation gap" leading eventually to a society of people unable to cope with real social problems is prescient. What she didn't add was that this failure of the individual to even have the capacity for coping has led, here in america, the exponential growth of psychiatry and pharmaceutical corporations, mental illness agencies and private practices--not to mention the exponential growth of drug misuse ("legal" and illegal) and, likewise, all the agencies, laws, and "treatment" centers that have sprung up as a result.
    This crippling of responsibility for one's own life and to others without what amounts to as a "parasitic" reliance on impersonal institutions (described above) is a vacuum; and vacuums must be filled--and it has been!
    All in all this failure spells the death of democracy-perhaps even as a possibility--in america.
    I would say that "chaos" on a societal scale must lead to 3 alternatives,m--because "chaos" creates a vacuum that must be filled:
    1.Self destruction (A world War with domestic upheavels)
    2.Dictatorship in some form (a police state in the form of fascism or totalitarianism, especially pernicious from "democracies"--such as the american type))
    3.A better society (and the least likely, in my opinion ).

    • @frankie6655
      @frankie6655 Год назад +2

      Very interesting

    • @4Mr.Crowley2
      @4Mr.Crowley2 8 месяцев назад +1

      You seriously sum up that silly splash of a first paragraph with some little numbered point in support of dictators ffs as otherwise society isn’t…um…tough enough and there are poor people and depressed persons, and you object to their presence?! Why how brilliant - certainly societies with dictators have none of those unsavory things…Lmao. So to to sum up your overly melodramatic and rather hysterical prose the “kids” are (always) the problem (of course), mental illness - running from florid psychosis to clinical depression - isn’t “real” to you but is of course some strange conspiratorial militant alliance of the “kids” who aren’t tough enough or can’t “cope” and all pharmaceutical companies everywhere to undermine the golden structures of capitalism, and I’m sure you have an extensive background and training as a psychiatrist to support these claims)…and all of this to support one of the most limp claims imaginable - that capitalism would work for *everyone* if they just worked hard enough and we could have some clean/neat/“racially pure” society if we had a (capitalist) dictator…

  • @AnnabelleJARankin
    @AnnabelleJARankin 6 месяцев назад +1

    Very interesting

  • @michaelschmitt447
    @michaelschmitt447 3 месяца назад +2

    She would be considered MAGA supporter by today's standards.

  • @suedavis1781
    @suedavis1781 8 месяцев назад +2

    William B. gets his hackles up sharply at the mere "thought" of a different economic system from the capitalist one, which he absolutely adores.

    • @kaustabhkalita2476
      @kaustabhkalita2476 8 месяцев назад

      Please consider arguments set forth by people with respect, by which i mean critically evaluate them instead of letting your hormones do all the thinking

    • @suedavis1781
      @suedavis1781 8 месяцев назад

      Are you talking to me? ​@kaustabhkalita2476

    • @suedavis1781
      @suedavis1781 8 месяцев назад +4

      If indeed you are talking to me, your accusation is obnoxious and off the mark. I have listened to the discussion very closely, and you know and I know that, despite WB's respect for Greer's immense intellect, he was a neoliberal, individualist, capitalist adherent. Greer is suggesting that an altered economic system is required. And this was 50 years ago! Today, the capitalist system is so perverse-- with corporations running the west and democracy all but dead. So, with respect, say something intelligent instead of the simplistic misogynistic drivel you gave - if you decide to respond.

    • @kaustabhkalita2476
      @kaustabhkalita2476 8 месяцев назад

      ​​@@suedavis1781how is it misogynistic to ask you to not let your hormones do the thinking?! Are you saying that only women are affected, moderated by hormones. My adolescent male friends would beg to differ. So I got news for you mademoiselle, you might have some internalized misogyny, which if you would allow me to be cheeky, could have stopped from happening if you'd have not let your emotions do the thinking.
      And we have, i hope reconcilable, but nonetheless differences on how we perceive of free market capitalism. William f buckely wasnt particularly on the side of big business, he was on the side of instituting mechanisms by which individual rights are not trampled by powerful groups, be it big business (hes even against billboards because it tramples our right to view the natural world without obstructions) or big government.
      The abrogation of responsibility to politicians by voters needs to be very limited to drive change.
      I am living in a country where fabian democracy has been very much alive, where power is vested in a select corrupt few who have legitimised their "rule" over people's psyches and the entrepreneurial spirit necessary for economic and spiritual change.. The kind of misogyny i see on the daily in attitudes and conversations with people would make constituents of the west's skin crawl because of this alienation of individual responsibility and although this process has been centuries or even millenniums in its making, but now since women can be afforded the liberty to safely roam atleast parts of cities on their own and their ability to not just think for themselves but also to expound and materialise their individuality shouldnt be throttled by the big whigs of society, unless of course it becomes a law and order problem. the supposed greater good, which always will be expounded by the bitter children of the wealthy has slowed not only advances in materialist well being of individuals, but also has bogged down sociological changes because change needs disruptors You claim you despise buckley for being an individualist but without intrepid, perhaps even socially irresponsible individuals, women's liberation would have been a farcry. All everyone says is how women were not seen as individuals but as being part of just the fairer sex. I have thrown a lot at you, i probably should edit what i wrote here, but please respond if you may for elaboration on specific points, this has already gone longer than i expected. Oh btw, i guess you might have figured by now, I lionise william f buckley, but please dont hold that begrudgingly against me, i would really like to know what you think about it. I yearn for experiences where i go, oh so thats how it is, i was wrong about this like that. So please dont spare me nothing

    • @tommym321
      @tommym321 8 месяцев назад

      @@suedavis1781what “different economic system” do you feel that society should consider?

  • @mikeberry2332
    @mikeberry2332 Год назад +16

    Buckley is a problematic guy but he did relish giving a platform to people who didn't necessarily agree with him. So there's that. But yeah, she owned him here.

    • @maxbowie6074
      @maxbowie6074 Год назад +7

      She didn't 'own' him at all. It was simply an intelligent discussion between two intelligent, articulate people.

    • @mikeberry2332
      @mikeberry2332 Год назад +6

      @@maxbowie6074 don't disagree but she did make him blush. He is a fascinating human being. I don't dislike him and i am left Democrat.

    • @AnnabelleJARankin
      @AnnabelleJARankin 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@mikeberry2332 She was far more persuasive than him here, and seemed to have a wider knowledge altogether.

    • @BulDurham
      @BulDurham 6 месяцев назад +2

      I remember a time when differing opinions weren't considered "problematic." Perhaps we shouldn't have given you an inch, and been the callous, bigoted and tyrannical society you claim we are/were.

    • @AnnabelleJARankin
      @AnnabelleJARankin 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@BulDurham What is that comment apropos of?

  • @nguzoloveinlofi3832
    @nguzoloveinlofi3832 Год назад +4

    Meryl Streep is holding her own in this conversation...

  • @davedave5787
    @davedave5787 7 месяцев назад +2

    why is Bill's head almost sideways all the time I noticed on his shows??? any ideas?

  • @PeterShieldsukcatstripey
    @PeterShieldsukcatstripey 7 месяцев назад +1

    Nothing has changed since 1973

    • @AnnabelleJARankin
      @AnnabelleJARankin 6 месяцев назад +2

      It has changed a lot, women didn't even always have equal pay back then, and were often treated as though their sexuality was nothing to do with actual pleasure during sex, for instance. And women are now in jobs that formerly were unavailable to them, especially in business.

    • @BulDurham
      @BulDurham 6 месяцев назад

      Women's lib dispossessed women from their own gender. Well done!

  • @thomasryan3080
    @thomasryan3080 Год назад +16

    He makes me so, so sick.

  • @SoniaScrapbook
    @SoniaScrapbook Год назад +11

    It's interesting to see this in 2023 and her admission of wanting to disrupt the nuclear family or how children need to look to someone other than their parents about their troubles. I think what we've seen transpire has only proven just how important a nuclear family is. Ironically, the feminists movement has created a monster such as the trans movement that now this woman has been canceled over. Because of course she still has common sense and understands that men are not women no matter how they identify.

    • @themovingdance2744
      @themovingdance2744 Год назад +4

      Don’t be silly …trans have nothing to do with being a woman. It is a queer issue not a woman thing like me. I have to pay for my HRT and my menopause appointments…get real

    • @SoniaScrapbook
      @SoniaScrapbook Год назад +2

      @The Moving Dance I agree with you. Not sure I understand what you mean. I agree that Trans is not a woman's issue.

    • @zakatista1330
      @zakatista1330 Год назад +1

      I think her comment is that the forced mobility of labor displaced children and destroys the extended family (which she sees as more stable and functional than the nuclear family).

    • @kyoglesage
      @kyoglesage 9 месяцев назад +2

      The nuclear family was, in part, destroyed by the insane increase in house prices forcing both parents to work in order to afford mortgage repayments. In fact in some cases the costs of essential childcare almost wiped out the advantage of that second wage. And in many cases wages of unskilled workers just didn’t keep pace with the cost of living.
      And it’s only getting worse.

  • @baronmeduse
    @baronmeduse Месяц назад

    He's looking at her like he wants to take her to bed, but can't.

  • @TheUnknownSwan
    @TheUnknownSwan Год назад +2

    Anyone hear that fart sound at 15:18 ??? 😂😂😂

    • @RussTube59
      @RussTube59 Год назад +2

      Buckley clearing his throat.

    • @kaustabhkalita2476
      @kaustabhkalita2476 Год назад +3

      He does it atleast a 100 times in an hour's episode

  • @tomkent4656
    @tomkent4656 Год назад +3

    Is he wearing an Irish?

  • @noelineclayfield5243
    @noelineclayfield5243 19 дней назад

    He is not a pretty man!!! Greasy slicked down hair and slouching around. Germaine left him for dead intellectually and articulately. She was just such a fresh breath of air at the time and ennunciated what we were all feeling at the time. Why can't we have such erudite conversations now without the stupidity of hate speech and vowel corrective speech?

  • @ashley-fk6dp
    @ashley-fk6dp 4 месяца назад

    why does greer infantilise the women who get coaxed ,cajoled or wheedled or argued or whatever into sex ? why is this our problem as a society know what you want and act accordingly

  • @4Mr.Crowley2
    @4Mr.Crowley2 8 месяцев назад +5

    I have no idea why some find this so engrossing. Buckley and I strongly suspect Greer, who at times seems to fancy herself some bizarre combination of Oscar Wilde and Veblen, are both drunk/cranked out of their minds yet they find their frequently silly ruminations endlessly fascinating (and the groundlings should of course be grateful for the crumbs that spill from their table 🙄). I feel like I’m listening to drunks at some dreadful endless faculty dinner with the usual displays of insecurity and neurotic afflictions and tedious selfishness.

    • @john.premose
      @john.premose 6 месяцев назад +4

      Nah, that's just you.

  • @milart12
    @milart12 Год назад

    07:07 The synecdoche?

  • @Drew-b9p
    @Drew-b9p Месяц назад +1

    Early man meant mankind... If we had the Latin distinction between vir and homo (man and mankind) then there would not be these stupid pseudo intellectual debates... Just as they don't have the Anglophone drivel about calling actresses actors in France and elsewhere because their entire language has male and female forms. In English there are only a few words that are gendered hence the endless rigmarole

  • @jhlfsc
    @jhlfsc Год назад +5

    What is it about God that he always gives us a clear red flag to signal danger in the way a man proudly presents his absurd hair to the world?

    • @roughhabit9085
      @roughhabit9085 Год назад +2

      “The vulgar crowd always is taken by appearances and the world consists chiefly of the vulgar “
      ~ Machiavelli

    • @jhlfsc
      @jhlfsc Год назад

      @@roughhabit9085
      Perhaps attractive appearances, but that still does not explain why some people still do not get the hint when these men are purposley repulsive.

  • @PeterShieldsukcatstripey
    @PeterShieldsukcatstripey 7 месяцев назад

    Sins of the spirit are worse.

  • @alanhargreaves-thevoiceofr2361
    @alanhargreaves-thevoiceofr2361 Год назад +2

    Germaine Bignockers was a feisty Lady ......RIP .

  • @thomasryan3080
    @thomasryan3080 Год назад +1

    Pissed.

  • @thomasryan3080
    @thomasryan3080 Год назад +10

    Men are very sad.

  • @seanneal9406
    @seanneal9406 5 месяцев назад +1

    Then who is supposed to put food on the table for children 3 times a day? She says it is a "duty". Yes, so what? You did not have to have children. It is also a duty for money to be brought into the household. Does she consider it a duty for the husband to work every day? The endless drivel that comes out of her mouth is so great that Buckley hardly knows what to address next in his line of questioning. He can't just have a discussion on every absurd thing this woman says. She does not think rape is a bad thing. She does not believe in prisons. Etc, etc. Endless nonsense.
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