COMMON MYTHS about Ancient History with Dr. David Miano - World of Antiquity and Dig It With Raven
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Dr. Dave Miano from World of Antiquity and I team up to bring you some popular misconceptions about ancient history. Be sure to watch the other half of us spilling the tea about some historical myths over on World of Antiquity!
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It was a pleasure working on this project with you, Raven!
Had a blast debunking and ranting about history (virtually) with you :)
Thanks for introducing me to this channel, it looks great! Your collaborations are awesome.
Thanks for sharing. Why did they have so many sexual depictions?
@world of antiquity, Dr Dave, just a thought on the pre-Christian sexuality/promiscuity question. The laws of Hammurabi and the later laws of, I think Tiglath Pileser III, place some serious repercussions on adultery and unchaste behavior well before Rome and Greece.
It was a pleasure watching both of you too.
Something often overlooked, is that if you’ve got a potter’s wheel, you’ve got a lathe. A potter’s wheel is, in fact, a specialized lathe.
David sent me here.
Great discovery!
Just had to react to the first item: the virtual disappearance of most "childhood" diseases & others (tetnus, smallpox) raising life expectancy is about the best argument against "anti-vaxers."
Yeah the problem is is that anti vaxxers don't have a consistent logic about this stuff. I wasn't vaccinated as a child (once I realised how bad it was I got fully vaccinated just to be clear) and I once asked my mum why and she said "well you were protected by herd immunity", to be clear I wasn't immunocompromised as a child so I was in fact the hole in herd immunity and I very may well have killed someone by accident and I have to live with that. Sorry, got off track. My point being that I think my mum would be pleased that these diseases were eradicated but that she just felt her family was special somehow and not want to take the potential risk of these scary things she heard of and didn't understand with her precious kids. And I think that may be an attitude of a lot of the more privileged anti vaxxers, where they feel they're different from the rest of the plebs.
Excellent collaboration!! Nice to see people who actually have the education to talk authoritatively about a subject putting these common misconceptions to sleep, hopefully once and for all!
On ancient lifespans, here is an interesting quote from the Bible:
'Seventy is the sum of our years,
or eighty, if we are strong'. (Psalm XC, v.10).
So for the ancient Hebrews an adult person could probably expect to live until about age 70 in a fortunate life.
On life expectancy, my friend and I would often wander through graveyards, checking death dates. It was fascinating finding clusters of "hey, a lot of infants died during this time period" and researching it. Seems like, at least in our region, that there was a major disease culling every hundred years or so. This has led to researching the early 20th century plague in the Bay Area, as well as various other ailments.
That’s really interesting!
One of my dearest friends got her online handle, which she's kept since the 1990s, from walking around the graveyard and seeing a gravestone lamenting the loss of a baby named Desolina.
Well considering the oldest cemetery in America is only around 200 years old, I really don't see how you're concluding this "major disease every hundred years or so".
Finally, a new (to me) archeology channel. Great collaboration and I look forward to listening to your content.
Ahh thanks and welcome aboard!
I love the coloured statues and I think Museums should have exact copies of ancient art with the colours. I think this would really bring them to life to see them as they were seen. This would be especially wonderful if you have an ancient statue and they could display the exact coloured repleca next to it. However, even if you didn't have the original artwork how wonderful to see an exact replica panel from ancient Greece in full colour. I'd LOVE to see the Parthenon frieze recreated as new in full colour.
One point that was passed over is in the list was that you stated they had to bring in a law that you should only cut a baby from a woman if she was already dead. It makes me wonder what was happening that they felt they needed such a law?
Blindly subscribing because Dave told me to.
That is much appreciated!!
So did I. And I blindly subscribed to him because History With Cy and Atun-Shei told me to.
@@vladtheimpala5532 if you don't already check out Stefan Milo.
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Checked, watched a video, subscribed. Thanks 👍
Excellent presentation. Dr Miano is also an excellent collaborator whose channel I've been following for a while. Now I've subscribed to your channel and look forward to more excellent, informative content.
I am looking forward to watching your videos!!! I think I'll start binge watching tomorrow Dec 29, 2021, on a rainy day in California's Bay Area!!! I have been watching Dr. Miano's for most of 2021 and have enjoyed his programs. I can't wait to see yours!! I was so glad that one of the questions was about Nero!! I work at a winery in Napa Valley and I also taught a Wine Appreciation class at a Sacramento area Park and Rec for 6 years. I did a month (4 Thursday's) about Italy and their wines. You can only talk a little about the wines themselves so I spent a large amount of time on Italy's history. Nero was not the evil person as history has been taught. I loved your answer about him and I wanted to add a little bit I read. It seems he also opened up some of the royal palaces for some of those people that was displaced due to the fire. Now he did build a large palace on some of the property, I think, and that may be way some people think that it was his fault. If you do get a chance to read this, please let me know if I am correct. Thank You!!!! Again, looking forward to watching your vides. Which is why I had to subscribe!!
Another cool and educational video concept! Along with your pyramid building videos you're becoming the myth busters of ancient history!
It is super interesting (even for me, coming from a background of an enthusiastic Geography-Histology teacher dad, religious studies, seven years of Latin and currently on a forensic anthropology course haha XD). Love the background work - we need more of this educated content! :)
If you happen to travel through Athens airport (ATH),
spare a few minutes to visit the in site museum (1st floor) of the local archaeological excavation.
You can see there between other things, two statues with their colours preserved.
David 'unearthed' your channel for me, subbed.
Hooray, another another ACTUAL archeology channel to add to my bloated subscriptions list.
Welcome to the club!!!
15:11 BAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA Was not expecting David S. Pumpkins to make an appearance in this video!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Hey Raven! Here from World of Antiquity. Good job. Thanks to you both for these videos.
I just posted a comment about this series on Dr. David's Channel. You are both terrific and now part of my Go To Channels.
Hi! coming over from World of Antiquity.. Thank you both for your Videos and sharing your education.
As entertaining and eye rolling many of these myths are, the origins of the myths and the actual history is so much more interesting than the myths themselves!
Awsome collaboration! Enjoyed it very much!
Such a great pair of videos. Got me to subscribe, can't wait to see what else is on these 2 channels.
As someone who knows a lot of trans people who have had top surgery and a friend who had a radical double mastectomy because of cancer, removing breasts even now is a pretty big deal with long recovery time where you can't do shit with your arms. The idea that ancient people who didn't have anaesthesia or antibiotics in case of infection, would remove a breast just for better archery is wild. I mean what if you didn't heal well and you just had a tight, painful scar in that area forever? Hardly conducive to great archery. Especially when you can literally just compress your chest with layers of fabric if they get in the way so much.
Thank you Raven 🤗 new subscriber here, from Dr. David's channel.
Such a great idea for a video series and great introduction to your channel for me, subscribed !
Welcome to the DIWR team! 😊😊
Great collaboration with 2 channels I follow. Looking forward to more!
In Dutch the word for cesarean is "keizersnede" which litterally translates as "emperor"s cut". That is probably a reference to Julius Caesar.
Damn, my information level just rose 200%! The misconceptions were fun but the truth is more useful.
As to Alexandria, what about Hypatia?
Congo bongos! Love it.
I love them too.
Love these I have seen the one that David did with you Raven and that's how I discovered your RUclips channel
So Glad I found your channel from the Doc, who I found from Stephan Milo.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.
Love you, Raven 💓 keep up the amazing work 😍🥰❤️
living a long life back then wasn't just about class and access to medical care, you'd just have to get lucky. It's like those grandpas that smoke their entire lives and live till 90, or old men refuse to ever go to the doctor but still have great health.
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Damn your channel is interesting! I'll be here often. I like your style! Very good and educative work :)
Is "Congo Bongos" a term that came out of the Old Kingdom? I'd like to see that hieroglyph!
Lol!
I love your enthusiasm!
I see your emoji level is... hieroglyphic! 🎩🧐
No way Holy Koolaid too
Hey HK
This is so interesting, you all killed it.
This Video was so Mambo Jambo, i gave it a big Kongo Bongo !
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2. ???
3. Cast Away
4. ET
5. The Sixth Sense
7. Blood Diamond
8. Psycho
9. ??Les Miserables?? -not quite sure
10. ???
11. Moneyball
12. ??The King's Speech?? -if that's right, the thought bubble emoji doesn't quite fit
So cool! Thanks guys - I just found this channel because of the team up.
Any thoughts about the toy bull (with wheels) from the Cucuteni-Trypillia culture? Is this real? If so, what do you the chances could have been that they could have used wheels for transportation?
Thanks again /\
Woohoo! Another antiquity channel!
Hope you enjoy!
Superb!
Thank you Raven
Awesome!
If you made it past 5 years old, the life expectancy was 49. Much better than the overall 29 year old expectancy rate. Sure some made it to their 60's and fewer to 80's.
Very nice video.
On life expectancy, life span, chilhood mortality and so on:
-If we go mathematically, life expectancy would be the average of life span, while maximum life span would be the maximum value.
-Not only childhood mortality, but also the prevalence of illnesses. Many diseases that now are easily treatable could then be lethal in high numbers (some of them still are lethal in poorer countries). Since medicine was far less developed and expensive, and antibiothics didn't exist.
Regarding statues, the Terracotta Warriors near Xi'an were brightly painted also but the paint is lost with exposure to the air.
good stuff
Now this was not vomitrocious. Thanks for helping us dig it! Thumbs Up #366!
Tht ws gr8 :)
“I don’t math….”
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Every place I like used to be Atlantis. Every place I dislike used to be the homeland of the sea peoples.
Longevity: The AVERAGE life expectancy in pre-agrarian times is listed as 21, and in greek/roman times it had risen to about 25. you are correct that much of the average is dictated by disease, and let me give you the prime example: Smallpox is widely reputed to have killed 1/3 of all humans that were ever born on this planet (and I'm sure you know about the smallpox marks found on some mummies), and of those that it killed a full %80 were under the age of 5. So, yes, the numbers get skewed quickly. However, in roman times, If you lived past diseases of childhood (5-7 or so), and were of the upper class that you mentioned, the statisticians that I know state that the average life expectancy is 65 years. Now in contrast, today the average life expectancy worldwide is 80.1 years. So, even then the privileged few lived a shorter life (on average) than the entire world does today. and this doesn't even take into account the blue zones where the majority of the people live into their hundreds.
Now, you mentioned the oldest examples of people in antiquity. Today the oldest person on record died a year or two ago at 122. And if you talk to the pathology community, and the genetics community the average age at which you can expect your body to wear out is 115. and we are moving to that number as for every 2-3 years that goes by we seem to increate the average population life expectancy by about a year. (Hell, Mary Claire King added a full year to that number when she discovered the BRCA1 breast cancer gene a number of years ago.) How are we going to get there? Well, there is a lot of stuff that has started the process of filtering out the general public from the labs, like the use of metformin, NMN, and the 8/16 diet. Each of these looks to provide a statistical boost to average life expectancy of about %10. AND, we have 6 companies that are working on senolytic drugs, and if the numbers that are seen in mice hold up, we can expect a %30 boost in life expectancy. We can expect human trials in about 5 years, and clinical use in maybe 15. and these are the things that do not break the "your body wears out" number of 115 years..
Now, want me to blow your mind? The work of Dr. Steve Horvath of UCLA on reversing epigenetic remodeling (and you can look up the Lopez-Otin paper of 2013 entitled "the hallmarks of aging" if you want to better understand the physical process here...) holds the promise of reversing aging at the cellular level, and it might well break that 115 max age model for humans, and I suspect it will be about 30 years before we see it in clinical use. but proof of concepts have been done in the lab, some of these were even on humans.
So, Why did I wrote this tome? Well, most of what you said on this topic is accurate but there were a few numbers that give a false impression of the state of the art. (ok, and yes, I have given public lectures on the topic of longevity and it's interventions, and have a large number of college genomics and pathology classes under my belt as background), and if you ever want a deeper understanding of where we are at, I'm happy to chat any time.
About life expectancy: What might that of sea turtles might be? They lay roughly a hundred eggs each year and most of the offspring really emerges but our planet isn't overcrowded with sea turtles.
13:25 - "congobongoes" - Would you happen to know the etymology of this terminology?
Nice collab. 🤗
Thanks so much :)
What's the difference between an Archaeologist and an Historian? Nobody knows for sure but we think it has some sort of ritualistic or religious significance.
Nice clay pipes. I need to visit the Thames eventually.
Came over from WOA to subscribe.
Encore, Encore🎉🎉🎉. More, more….
Those painted stone statues look amazing!
Aren't they crazy?! Will definitely be doing a whole video on them soon
Is it true that the Spartans fought barechested, and in slow motion? I saw a movie once that gave me that impression.
I swear to god that movie was just.. so uniquely bad; it's umbelievable how insulting it was to both the Greeks and the Achaemenids.
@@theonlygoodlookinghabsburg2081 It's about as historically accurate as The Lord of the Rings. I was waiting for orcs to appear.
@@theonlygoodlookinghabsburg2081 You know, I thought it was ridiculous as well. Fun, but silly. That is until I listened to Dan Carlin's take on Thermopylae. More or less, he posited that since most of what we know about this is drawn from Herodatus' histories and Herodotus was prone to exaggerate in such a way that maximized Greek glory and such. He also tended to play to his audience and wrote what he thought they wanted to hear. This should go without saying, but, Spartan/Laconic society was very martially orientated and valued prowess in battle very highly.
Mix Herodotus' propensity to write in a propagandistic manner and the Spartan's societal self-image and you end up with an account that more closely resembles Frank Miller's source graphic novel and its film adaptation, '300.' Thusly '300' ended up at least somewhat true to the spirit of the ancient text.
When I think about '300' through that lens, I find it much more interesting. (Plus I am a sucker for stories of valiant last stands.)
@@roll4initiative872 Before I say anything let me say first of all that I am also a sucker for heroic last stands.. or just impressive military feats of any kind.. I also appreciate last stands that end up in failure.
That being said:
@@roll4initiative872 The Greek and Roman historians wrote for performance, not silent reading. Wealthy or cultured families and their friends would listen to a stirring tale of their ancestors' deeds while relaxing after dinner. That's why there are all those set piece speeches put into the mouths of characters.
"History" was one of the literary art forms. It had its own muse, Clio. The audience wanted to be diverted, amused, perhaps stirred, and come away feeling good about themselves. That's not conducive to scientific accuracy.
Maybe some writers were more objective than others, but those that were most copied by the mediaeval monks may have been what they themselves enjoyed hearing.
Ancient histories were closer to scripts for a radio programme. Perhaps the closest in our time was the Victorian Music Hall, where dramatic recitations of prose or poetry about imperial losses and victories were performed by Rudyard Kipling or some look-alike.
Congo bongos!!! LMAO😂❤
One word for the urge to stare at these is "mazophilia."
Congo bongo i love it.
Are those mudlarking examples behind you?
I used to have an album by a band called Raven....can't remember if they were any good..
Thank you 🤣
Is that a Norwegian "helleristning" in the background there??
Wow you are both awesome I will be subscribing.
I am struggling with finding a job right now I want to do something that will make my life feel like I’m doing something important but I don’t have a degree is there a new career path I could take that you have heard of?
Open to anyone answering
I hope you managed to find something suitable. Remember, we work mainly to be able to eat, clothe ourselves and have a roof over our heads. Enjoying what you do in those 8 hours of the day is a bonus. It's often something we would not do unless we were being paid for it.
Interesting how Egyptian and Chinese symbols are both phonographic and logographic.
This lady has charm and moxie!
Women gladiators! Did they occasionally wear Timex watches, like some of the men, as seen in the historical documents that came out of Italy in the 1960's?
Is "Ludia" where we get the modern words like "lewd" or "luddite"? (or maybe "Luder" in German?)
15:23 The channel Nativlang did some videos on Hieroglyphs: ruclips.net/video/ZBiuJ40t4rk/видео.html
18:20 - Doesn't the cognomen, Caesar mean 'hairy'?
Re: the uninhibited sexuality myth, I was curious if you could tell us more about temple prostitution in regards to ancient Mesopotamia. It's something I've been trying to research but haven't found much about. Any book/essay recommendations?
This is a super interesting topic that I've been reading into lately! Will be doing a video on it this year and will link all my resources for it 😊
@@DigItWithRaven Yay, I can't wait!
@@elihinze3161 Eli, I recommend the book Sex and Eroticism in Mesopotamian Literature by Gwendolyn Leick.
@@WorldofAntiquity Thank you so much!
The sexuality myth is so easy to explain to. Given that its obviously a cultural thing. Many cultures would have sexual things we dont. And many may have been even more strict than early christians
GLORIOUS MAMMARIES
On "Sexuality being freer in ancient times"... While I agree with the analysis of religion clamping down on sexuaity changing the culture over time - changing it from the state he talked about to a "stricter" version (and there is a great psychological background for this, one of the stories involving wolf packs) but the bottom line is that if you control the sexuality of the flock, they view that as a stronger alpha male marker and are more likely to stay obedient. And apparently this trend of being stricter picked up as christianity went thru a choke point of reduced followers at about the 100AD point... but this isn't my point...
I have heard that there is some credible research to suggest that the initial clamping down on sexuality -specifically for women - happened at the pre-agrarian / agrarian boundary about 10,000 years ago. I do NOT have good references for this, but the story there is that as men plowed the fields they wanted to pass that work on to their offspring - meaning women needed to have fidelity. As contrasted with the nomadic tribal life where there wasn't a lot of property to pass along and so fidelity did not matter. In fact in a number of relatively untouched amazon tribes, they still have fewer requirements on fidelity of the women, and the tribe raises the child. (oh, and for another example, growing up in the pacific northwest, ask me about my conversations with tribal elders that explained what "potlatch" was really for...)
And yes, these do reinforce your later statement: The patriarchy sucks....
in any case, he didn't talk about this earlier boundary, and I'm wondering if there is any credible evidence there from the archeology community relating to this time period.
I don't know what a potlatch is or what it's really for!
@@AM-kr4pv A potlatch is a multi day event when two tribes share a feat. given the rest of my comment above, I am sure you can divine the real purpose... to allow the next generation to meet and marry into the other tribe - for the purposes of having family ties to it to avoid war, encourage trade, and encourage genetic diversity. I was told by one tribal elder that they were - basically - hook up festivals for the young fertile adults.
The problem with reconstructing ancient social history is that we view what we find through the lens of present-day ideologies. Hence the influence of 19th century Social Darwinism on how they thought their stone age ancestors lived, or the guff about the "Selfish Gene" that used to pass for science. When the data are lacking, metaphysics sneaks back in disguised as popular science. Goethe said as much.
Hard physical work will often lead to a shorter life.
Miano looks like Ben Stiller
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According to the Bible we use to reach the 1,000’s at our debut on this planet.
Great clip, nothing like the power of facts. I like your relaxed and passionate way of presenting as well. I’m a tour guide starting with history clips as well. Would you like to check out if you had a minute? Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.
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Lots of labor, NON inept hunters (grins) and My Mom's side of the family...and my Dad's side as well...the females get to 100 candles easily. BUT...people are surprised that I am still alive ;)...NEW nickname for Raven: Gladiator Girl!!!! Nicene was more about doctrine/ determination about the Godhead and was followed by a "sequel" in Constantinople. Both were politically motivated...and we all know how well that works. And Raven can read hieroglyphics without moving her lips! No touch screen? Raven...tell us more about the olden days! Like...were rainbows just black and white when you were a kid? Like TV was? No doubt statues had colour (note the spelling) but lost it...look how often they repaint Disneyland!
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So rich people lived about as long as we do...
If you made it to adulthood in the ancient world, you had a decent chance of making it to old age, but you were still a lot more likely to die young than you are today. More people died from infectious diseases, which could strike you at any age. As well as childbirth, a lot of people died from infections resulting from minor injuries and dental problems, from food poisoning, and in the case of the poor, from malnutrition and dangerous working conditions. Most Ancient Egyptian mummies are not of 'old' people by today's standards, with the average age at death of adult mummies being in the 30's. Child mortality was the biggest factor affecting life expectancy in the ancient world, but was not the only one. This would have made the ages of the people in the streets of an ancient settlement seem very odd by today's standards- there would have been lots and lots of young people and children, with comparatively fewer middle-aged people. There'd still be a fair few old people, but they'd be a rarer sight than today.
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7:42.... Sapho's work suggests people ran the gamut of human complications , of love , till it soured.
But inter family affairs are going on in royal house. King Solomon s harem ...
And Roman wives being punished , made to become street prostitute.
Also just what sort of " Entertainment ". .was Empress Theodora famous for ?
" Temple Prostitute " .....This was that prostitution was going on around temples ....because the Deity ( of the Temple was blamed for the licentiousness. ( Got away with it ...lf anyone noticed )
St Augustine , in , The City of God , writes a description of a ' Roman Pagan Ritual ' at a Pagan site , and sex is being had in public view. Hmmm ?
Sorry, but while the basic description of life expectancy was good, the conclusion was flawed as well in the other direction. Our oldest seniors now live to 110 or 120, with 90 not that uncommon.
There definitely has been a prolongation even of the extremes and a raising of the average expectancy "past childhood" too. The caveats about dropping dead with 30 stands though. A 60 or 70 year old village elder was not uncommon. It was just between famine, war and childhood death not all that common either.
Another hint... Amazons are not REAL... they are mythical figures.
You guys should do a video on marijuana throughout history.
Speaking of lifespans, the life expectancy of modern residents of the United States is declining. We are also the only industrialized nation for wich this is happening.
For the US as a whole, life expectancy and infant mortality are closer to Eastern than Western Europe, but if you look at specific areas (inner cities versus outer suburbs) and communities the picture is different.
If you wish to consider "statistics" relating to something you must take into account the nature of the data you are using. Here is what I mean. Consider a nation which has a relatively "small" population which further has "universal healthcare" so that access to healthcare is ubiquitous. Since healthcare access as well as the quality of that care figures heavily in life expectancy + you're dealing with a relatively small population group = statistics vis a vis "expectancy" will likely reflect this fact and be good.
Now say you additionally do not see a lot of immigration coming into your "model" nation and thus its demographics represent a somewhat "closed" system. It therefore becomes easier to improve upon life expectancy of those there because you do not have "outside influence" to account for in your statistics.
Moral of the story: the US is a large country - both geographically as well as population wise. It further sees a fairly high level of immigration influx compared to other nations. More important here however = what is the relative health status of those immigrants.
Ergo if the US sees millions of people immigrating to it each year + its own population does not have consistent access to healthcare and other socioeconomic necessities of life + its demographics and hence access to such things varies from locality to locality as alluded to by others + and finally the big one here - it has an extensive public health surveillance system for tracking health issues = all of this will impact overall statistics vis a vis health expectancy.
So even if "native born" US people are in perhaps better health - if people who come to live in the US are not and they are included in your surveillance statistics as far as diseases etc.. and subsequent mortality = your "overall" statistics will reflect this. It is no different with "averages" in that 60% might be good with 40% not so good but that 40% lowers your averages overall despite most doing okay. There are 300+ million people in the US and their access to services in not universal - hence the wide disparity of outcome reflected in statistics. 🤔
We even white washed the statues!
the hardships of life shouldnt be underestimated when talking about life expectancy. poor folk probably did not live the same length of time as richer folk. manual labor takes its toll.